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Will Novak make a run for Feds 23 consecutive slam semi record? (14 and counting!)

2003
02-05-2012, 10:52 PM
Many people figure rightly so that this record is the most impressive in tennis history and will be the most difficult to break.

Murray is the least likely, but Nole and Rafa are racking them up already.

At their level, I guess they would need to make the semis of at least the next 12 slams (3 years).

Injury would be the biggest obosticle.

I dont see anyone breaking it, but I think at least one will get close.

What do you think?

theKSHE
02-05-2012, 10:54 PM
AO 2011 QF: Ferrer def. Nadal.

Certinfy
02-05-2012, 10:55 PM
Actually I think Nadal is the least likely due to injuries.

Djokovic by far the most likely though.

Time Violation
02-05-2012, 11:07 PM
Who cares about the semis? :)

Certinfy
02-05-2012, 11:08 PM
Who cares about the semis? :)
Fedtards? :lol:

fmolinari2005
02-05-2012, 11:12 PM
Who cares about the semis? :)

Fedtards? :lol:

Oh! Don't worry. We could start threads like will Nole/Rafa/Murray make a run for Feds:
- total GS titles
- total weeks as number one
- consecutive weeks as number one

Does anyone care about those stats, or only Fedtards?! :lol: :lol:

MuzzahLovah
02-05-2012, 11:18 PM
Fedtards are already giving up on the present, looking backwards to Fed's relevance.

stewietennis
02-05-2012, 11:20 PM
At least four more straight years of semis in all the majors? Djokovic and Murray are peaking now so they may be able to do it for another two or three years, but four – which would make them around 28/29 – is unlikely; additionally, it'll only take one injury at the wrong time to break that streak – and those two are more prone to injury than Roger was.

fmolinari2005
02-05-2012, 11:23 PM
Fedtards are already giving up on the present, looking backwards to Fed's relevance.

You make it very hard even for a Murray fan like myself not saying something nasty about Andy! :lol: :lol:

BigJohn
02-06-2012, 12:24 AM
Hahaha. No. Of course not.

rinnegan
02-06-2012, 12:31 AM
Who cares about the semis? :)

Exactly.

Seingeist
02-06-2012, 01:05 AM
Absolutely no way in hell.

Nole's loss to Melzer in the 2010 FO QF was the last time he didn't make a semi, but that still only puts him at 7 straight right now. To break the record, he'd have to make every SF up to and including FO 2016 at age 29. :lol:

If nothing else, he is too injury prone for that, especially in the shoulder.

Nadal's at 4 straight, so he would have to make every SF up to and including AO 2017 at age 30, and he's even more injury-prone than Djokovic.

Murray's at 5 straight, so he'd need to make it until US Open 2016 at age 29.

Ludicrous thread, i.e. completely on par for 2003.

yesh222
02-06-2012, 02:33 AM
Not a chance.

2003
02-06-2012, 03:59 AM
Bet people said the same for Fed after RG 2004..

I said make a run for. I said I didnt think they would make it. But they might get close.

On todays ever increasing homogenized surfaces, making the semis of all 4 slams for the next 4 years wouldnt be impossible. Djokvoic 2.0 is pretty much a lock for the semis if hes injured.

ballbasher101
02-06-2012, 04:44 AM
:haha:. What a thread. The OP is a dreamer I will say.

zcess81
02-06-2012, 09:00 AM
I know it's a great record. Very, very tough to achieve and all, but lets be honest, nobody but die hard fans will remember that record 10 years from now. Most people will just remember number of slams Federer has won over the years, and that's all that matters in the end. To Federer all these things matter (grand slams, masters, weeks at no.1, number of consecutive semi finals etc), and they should, but when people look back on Federer's achievements they will look at number of slams he's won. Weather you like it or not, tennis is all about grand slams when it comes to history books.

And to answer OP's question: I doubt that Nole/Rafa/Murray will ever beat Federer's 23 consecutive grand slam semi finals record.

Ububub
02-06-2012, 12:09 PM
Who cares about the semis? :)

If no one cares about semis, then let's move up to finals. The Top 2 records are Fed with 10 and 8 consecutive finals. Djoker stands at 3.

Sophocles
02-06-2012, 01:27 PM
Erm, no.

atennisfan
02-06-2012, 01:33 PM
I believe the 23 consecutive GS semis is the most unbelievable record in tennis.
Ergo, all Fed-haters claim it's irrelevant.

Chirag
02-06-2012, 01:48 PM
no

arm
02-06-2012, 02:07 PM
I believe the 23 consecutive GS semis is the most unbelievable record in tennis.
Ergo, all Fed-haters claim it's irrelevant.

I'm not a big fan of the guy, but I totally agree. It is just surreal.

buzz
02-06-2012, 02:30 PM
-If we look at rafa's history I give him no chance. See 10 as his maximum.

-Murray isn't dominant enough to easily win 4th round and quarter final matches for x years. See 8 as his maximum

-Djokovic has the most potential for a lot of consecutive semifinal runs. However it looks like he asks a lot more from his body compared to Federer who had a bigger edge in the skills department. If he gets lucky with injuries and keeps up his motivation then I can see him possibly reaching 15.

samanosuke
02-06-2012, 02:36 PM
Fedtards? :lol:

in case of another birdshit's slam semis if you survive cardiac arrest you will be talking about this to next few generations

samanosuke
02-06-2012, 02:39 PM
but lets be honest, nobody but die hard fans will remember that record 10 years from now.


is this the same record which every tennis commentator and analyst mentioning again and again like one of the most astonishing tennis records ?

feuselino
02-06-2012, 02:45 PM
18 out of 19 slam finals is more impressive I think... damn you 2008 Nole! :)

MIMIC
02-06-2012, 02:46 PM
No, and he won't reach Fed's QF, 4th round, 3rd round, 2nd round, 1st round, quallies, or any other round people can come up with. :lol:

The 10 finals is more impressive than anything, not the "OK, this streak ended so let's start talking about a new one" streak.

Mystique
02-06-2012, 02:46 PM
I believe the 23 consecutive GS semis is the most unbelievable record in tennis.
Ergo, all Fed-haters claim it's irrelevant.

This.

If there is one streak that has a chance of actually never being broken, tis this one. This is a most insane record, even by Federer's standards and that says everything. People who say no one will "CARE" about this ten years on are just delusional. Federer hit the previous record for a toss here and actually didnt lose before the semis of the slam for like 6 fcking years. Anyone who knows anything about grand slam tennis will see this is an amazing achievement.

As to the OP's question. No, it wont happen. Djokovic may get to the second spot though, that will be none too shabby. I believe its Lendl at 10 currently?

18 out of 19 slam finals is more impressive I think... damn you 2008 Nole! :)

Sweet Jesus, I am a FedTard myself. But I myself cant keep up with all those insane numbers he has posted over the last one decade. :worship:

Sapeod
02-06-2012, 04:14 PM
You make it very hard even for a Murray fan like myself not saying something nasty about Andy! :lol: :lol:
I don't understand why people attack the player when they are annoyed by the fans. That's idiotic. Are you really a Murray fan? Saying this, it doesn't seem like it. It shows how bad your mentality is when you're annoyed by fans on an an internet forum.


As for the semi-finals, the current runs are:

Djokovic: 7
Murray: 5
Nadal: 4

Murray is currently second, so he technically has a far better chance of doing it than Nadal. Djokovic has the best chance, but we can all agree that none of them are getting anywhere near his record. Murray and Djokovic could do it, bit I highly doubt it.

silverarrows
02-06-2012, 04:22 PM
In reality that record will never be broken. That record is beyond belief.

xdrewitdajx
02-06-2012, 04:30 PM
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MaxPower
02-06-2012, 04:35 PM
You can all thank the true hero of tennis for stopping it.

Whenever there is a streak too awesome or a player called unbeatable in a tournament he just says challenge accepted.

Now pray for him. He might be needed again if Novak grows too powerful

EddieNero
02-06-2012, 05:27 PM
No one among those 3 will make it to 15, let alone Fed's record.

Roamed
02-06-2012, 06:09 PM
:spit: No.

I can see Nole possibly getting to 12, Murray and Rafa maybe 9 and 8.

Clydey
02-06-2012, 06:19 PM
That record ain't gonna be beaten. It's essentially 3/4 of a career without losing before the semis of a major.

Ibracadabra
02-06-2012, 07:16 PM
This record will never be broken.

tennis2tennis
02-06-2012, 07:20 PM
Oh! Don't worry. We could start threads like will Nole/Rafa/Murray make a run for Feds:
- total GS titles
- total weeks as number one
- consecutive weeks as number one

Does anyone care about those stats, or only Fedtards?! :lol: :lol:

If no one cares about semis, then let's move up to finals. The Top 2 records are Fed with 10 and 8 consecutive finals. Djoker stands at 3.

:worship::worship::worship::worship:

some people need to be http://cdn2.hark.com/images/000/002/799/2799/original.jpginto reality!

MIMIC
02-06-2012, 07:25 PM
Oh! Don't worry. We could start threads like will Nole/Rafa/Murray make a run for Feds:
- total GS titles
- total weeks as number one
- consecutive weeks as number one

Does anyone care about those stats, or only Fedtards?! :lol: :lol:

If Nole wins RG, I will troll this forum to hell and back.

tennis2tennis
02-06-2012, 07:31 PM
If Nole wins RG, I will troll this forum to hell and back.

what does that have to do with the debate on the numbers he posted?

arm
02-06-2012, 07:55 PM
If Nole wins RG, I will troll this forum to hell and back.

:rolls: :lol:

leng jai
02-06-2012, 07:58 PM
If Nole wins RG, I will troll this forum to hell and back.

Too bad we will barely notice it your trolling amidst the avalanche of article posted by Nole Fan.

arm
02-06-2012, 08:01 PM
Too bad we will barely notice it your trolling amidst the avalanche of article posted by Nole Fan.

No, MIMIC's trolling will be good stuff. Should that happen, there will be really bad trolling from a lot of djokotards, but his stuff is going to be good. MIMIC's eventual trolling makes me want Nole to win RG a bit more, if that's even possible. :bigclap:

leng jai
02-06-2012, 08:03 PM
If Hass wins RG I'm never going to troll again.

Ajde.

fmolinari2005
02-06-2012, 11:28 PM
I don't understand why people attack the player when they are annoyed by the fans. That's idiotic. Are you really a Murray fan? Saying this, it doesn't seem like it. It shows how bad your mentality is when you're annoyed by fans on an an internet forum.


Be sure that I am really NOT a Murray fan like yourself! I am really glad you are second guessing my support of Murray! :lol: :lol:


If Nole wins RG, I will troll this forum to hell and back.

Don't you do that already?! Now I am scared! :lol: Adje Noleeee!

MIMIC
02-06-2012, 11:55 PM
You can all thank the true hero of tennis for stopping it.

Whenever there is a streak too awesome or a player called unbeatable in a tournament he just says challenge accepted.

Now pray for him. He might be needed again if Novak grows too powerful

:lol: :yeah:

Yolita
02-07-2012, 01:00 AM
That record is mind-boggling. It won't be broken.

2003
02-07-2012, 09:53 AM
Of course it will be broken.

With the ever increasing homogenization of surfaces.

We have seen what just over 100 years of tennis.

We have thousands apon thousands left.

Of course itl be broken unless they majorly chance the way pro tennis is done.

2003
02-07-2012, 09:55 AM
Soderling will probably be remembered more for stopping Nadal at RG, and for stopping Feds semi streak, then he ever will for his 2 slam finals.

How delightfully sad :)

leng jai
02-07-2012, 10:11 AM
Its pretty unlikely to even play 23 slams in a row, let alone making the SF for every one...

romismak
02-07-2012, 03:10 PM
Is this serious question? Nobody will ever come close to Roger´s SF record, the way tennis is played now, with very physically demanding style, there is no way anyone can go 23 slams undefeated until SF.. just it is not possible i think

2003
02-02-2013, 06:35 AM
11 and counting..only 12 to go until he matches it..I think Murray and Nadal are out of reach of it now definately.

duarte_a
02-02-2013, 07:25 AM
Djokovic had to save 5 MPs in 2012 FO, also struggled hugely against Wawrinka in R16. He can only have so much luck.

Maybe he draws nadal in his quarter in RG or Tsonga at Wimbledon could do the trick as well.

GSMnadal
02-02-2013, 07:27 AM
Don't think Fed would care if he loses this, as long as he keeps his QF streak record

duarte_a
02-02-2013, 07:34 AM
Don't think Fed would care if he loses this, as long as he keeps his QF streak record

For me the most awesome stat in terms of slams consistency will always be 18 of 19 slams finals (streaks of 10 and 8).

2003
02-02-2013, 09:08 AM
For me the most awesome stat in terms of slams consistency will always be 18 of 19 slams finals (streaks of 10 and 8).

Blame mononuclearosis for that not being 19 straight :(

Marc23
02-02-2013, 09:28 AM
After seeing him struggle to Wawrinka,I think it's too much to ask..

Yves.
02-02-2013, 10:18 AM
Of course it will be broken.

With the ever increasing homogenization of surfaces.

We have seen what just over 100 years of tennis.

We have thousands apon thousands left.

Of course itl be broken unless they majorly chance the way pro tennis is done.

Very good post. I study history and what I've noticed is that people tend to be 'selfish' about their own time/lifetime/era. They tend to forget what happened in the past and that alot will happen in the future.
The earth will probably exist for another couple of billion years. Alot can happen in that time. Though society will change hugely in that time, our species will (probably) even change.

70-68
02-02-2013, 10:21 AM
It's still unlikely. 12 more GS SF's is still 3 more years. He is not going to escape everytime from MP's or sets & breaks down.

Saberq
02-02-2013, 10:27 AM
it's a given at this point only..............................12 more to go 3 years :D

2003
02-02-2013, 10:31 AM
It's still unlikely. 12 more GS SF's is still 3 more years. He is not going to escape everytime from MP's or sets & breaks down.

You under estimate the egg.

Under estimate the egg at your peril.

None of the previous record holders had access to the mighty egg.

duarte_a
02-02-2013, 10:33 AM
You under estimate the egg.

Under estimate the egg at your peril.

None of the previous record holders had access to the mighty egg.

http://cdn.perfect-tennis.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-Magic-Egg.jpg

Whiznot
02-02-2013, 10:34 AM
He is already making that run but equaling Feds consecutive semi record seems almost impossible. If Novak had not benefited from a bad call in Melbourne, Wawrinka would have served for the match and might have won. It seems that there are many matches where Djokovic skates close to the edge but manages to avoid disaster. Federer is my guy but I wish Novak continued good fortune.

el tenista
02-02-2013, 10:39 AM
Djokovic will lose @RG QF against No. 5 Rafael Nadal. Book it.

VamosRafaNadal
02-02-2013, 10:43 AM
Very difficult, you can always have a bad day. For example, let's look at the match between Tsonga and Djokovic in last year French Open. It can happen again... and with different result from Nole.

Anyway, as some other users said here... who cares about the semis? This data only shows the consistency of Djokovic in Grand Slams, but the only thing that remains is the number of Grand Slam titles that he will win in his career.

70-68
02-02-2013, 10:43 AM
You under estimate the egg.

Under estimate the egg at your peril.

None of the previous record holders had access to the mighty egg.

I didn't know that the egg has the power to save matchpoints for the Djoker. Amazing this egg :bowdown:

Yves.
02-02-2013, 10:45 AM
Very difficult, you can always have a bad day. For example, let's look at the match between Tsonga and Djokovic in last year French Open. It can happen again... and with different result from Nole.

Anyway, as some other users said here... who cares about the semis? This data only shows the consistency of Djokovic in Grand Slams, but the only thing that remains is the number of titles that he will win in his career.

Nonsense. I player that wins heaps of 250 titles in his career is less successful than someone who consistently goes deep in Grand Slams.

VamosRafaNadal
02-02-2013, 10:51 AM
Nonsense. I player that wins heaps of 250 titles in his career is less successful than someone who consistently goes deep in Grand Slams.

I said "the number of titles" refering to the number of Grand Slam titles, wich were the tournaments that we were talking about. So I'm editing my message to make this more clear.

I mean, you can make a lot of Grand Slam semifinals or quarterfinals (in a row, maybe), and this is a great result in order to proove that this player is consistent in the greatests tournaments of the year, so he plays his best tennis when he has to play his best tennis. However, when a player ends his career he is mainly remembered for how many Grand Slam titles he has won.

Certinfy
02-02-2013, 10:52 AM
Djokovic had to save 5 MPs in 2012 FO, also struggled hugely against Wawrinka in R16. He can only have so much luck.

Maybe he draws nadal in his quarter in RG or Tsonga at Wimbledon could do the trick as well.
As much as I agree it's not as if Federer didn't have his fair share of luck either. Tipsarevic Australian Open 2008, Andreev US Open 2008, Berdych Australian Open 2009, Haas Roland Garros 2009 all immediately come to mind!

duarte_a
02-02-2013, 10:55 AM
As much as I agree it's not as if Federer didn't have his fair share of luck either. Tipsarevic Australian Open 2008, Andreev US Open 2008, Berdych Australian Open 2009, Haas Roland Garros 2009 all immediately come to mind!

The only match that was as close as the Wawrinka match was Haas in 2009 RG.

Also Roger didn't have to save any MPs in those matches, Djokovic miraculously saved 5 against Tsonga.

Yves.
02-02-2013, 11:38 AM
I said "the number of titles" refering to the number of Grand Slam titles, wich were the tournaments that we were talking about. So I'm editing my message to make this more clear.

I mean, you can make a lot of Grand Slam semifinals or quarterfinals (in a row, maybe), and this is a great result in order to proove that this player is consistent in the greatests tournaments of the year, so he plays his best tennis when he has to play his best tennis. However, when a player ends his career he is mainly remembered for how many Grand Slam titles he has won.

In that case you are 100% right.

sicko
02-02-2013, 11:42 AM
The only match that was as close as the Wawrinka match was Haas in 2009 RG.

Also Roger didn't have to save any MPs in those matches, Djokovic miraculously saved 5 against Tsonga.

the saved mps just make the streak even more legendary.

zerocool_
02-02-2013, 11:45 AM
He is already making that run but equaling Feds consecutive semi record seems almost impossible. If Novak had not benefited from a bad call in Melbourne, Wawrinka would have served for the match and might have won. It seems that there are many matches where Djokovic skates close to the edge but manages to avoid disaster. Federer is my guy but I wish Novak continued good fortune.


So you know that Wawrinka would win replayed point? Because Djokovic returned that shoot to Wawrinka and even if he asked for challenge Djokovic would get first serve..

Roy Emerson
02-02-2013, 11:51 AM
It's not that far-fetched. Might happen.

Orka_n
02-02-2013, 11:53 AM
Honestly, with the horrific state of mens tennis (Ferrer with his limited talent being #4 at 30 years old says it all), it is actually not impossible for Novak to achieve that.

But no, I don't think he will. Someone will rosol him like Wawrinka almost did.

duarte_a
02-02-2013, 11:53 AM
So you know that Wawrinka would win replayed point? Because Djokovic returned that shoot to Wawrinka and even if he asked for challenge Djokovic would get first serve..

He said "if djokovic had not benefited from the bad call". This means if the line umpire weren't an idiot and call the ball out. Wawrinka hit a FH return to djokovic's feet, djokovic stopped the point and raised his hand signaling he would challenge. If the bad call wasn't made djokovic would have stop playing challenge, get it wrong and Wawrinka would have broken.

Even if the point had continued Wawrinka had a sitter after the great, valid return he hit, so he should win the point.

What Molina did was just stupid because he couldn't be sure the ball was out because it was in. Some umpires do the opposite and say they are not sure, which is what Molina should have said.

Saberq
02-02-2013, 11:58 AM
He said "if djokovic had not benefited from the bad call". This means if the line umpire weren't an idiot and call the ball out. Wawrinka hit a FH return to djokovic's feet, djokovic stopped the point and raised his hand signaling he would challenge. If the bad call wasn't made djokovic would have stop playing challenge, get it wrong and Wawrinka would have broken.

Even if the point had continued Wawrinka had a sitter after the great, valid return he hit, so he should win the point.

What Molina did was just stupid because he couldn't be sure the ball was out because it was in. Some umpires do the opposite and say they are not sure, which is what Molina should have said.

dont lie....chair umpire called the ball out before Djokovic even finished his return and he never stopped playing............watch the replay again

TBkeeper
02-02-2013, 12:34 PM
Fakermug will break the record book it the era is too-slow-asass and will only become slower and slower and muggier and more and more talentless every fuckin month.
DDD era. (dumb,dolt,dull)

70-68
02-02-2013, 12:51 PM
Very difficult, you can always have a bad day. For example, let's look at the match between Tsonga and Djokovic in last year French Open. It can happen again... and with different result from Nole.

Anyway, as some other users said here... who cares about the semis? This data only shows the consistency of Djokovic in Grand Slams, but the only thing that remains is the number of Grand Slam titles that he will win in his career.

Of course titles will be more remembered than semifinal streaks. But in order to win more and more titles, you need to get yourself into the semifinals consistently :shrug: If someone made 11 or 23 GS SF's in a row, then there is a huge possibility that they won a bunch of titles during that streak.
Personally I think Federer's GS SF streak will be one of, if not the hardest record to break in tennis. I mean, even Nadal can get close to Fed's slam title record if he comes back strong for the next 2 years, but he never had and will never have a chance to even get close the 23 SF streak.

VamosRafaNadal
02-02-2013, 01:28 PM
In that case you are 100% right.

My apologies, my english is not the best of the world :D

Of course titles will be more remembered than semifinal streaks. But in order to win more and more titles, you need to get yourself into the semifinals consistently :shrug: If someone made 11 or 23 GS SF's in a row, then there is a huge possibility that they won a bunch of titles during that streak.
Personally I think Federer's GS SF streak will be one of, if not the hardest record to break in tennis. I mean, even Nadal can get close to Fed's slam title record if he comes back strong for the next 2 years, but he never had and will never have a chance to even get close the 23 SF streak.

I agree with you. The Roger's record is a huge record, like the weeks that he was on the number one. But the weeks that other players were in the number one and the semis in a row that did other players than Federer are data that won't be remembered despite the fact that they beat Roger's record (it is something almost impossible at this moment). I mean, you're right: you have to make semis in order to win titles, and if you reach a lot of semis you probably will be able to win more titles. But for me, at this moment, Djokovic semis streak is something that I don't see relevant apart from showing us that this guy is very consistent and the best of the world at this moment.

fsoica
02-02-2013, 03:47 PM
3 more years to go for the djoker in order to level the record. i do not think he will do it...

EddieNero
02-02-2013, 04:25 PM
No, he's too vulnerable on grass.

DrJules
02-02-2013, 06:02 PM
Do not think he will do it, but actually its is GS titles that count.

2003
02-02-2013, 08:41 PM
As much as I agree it's not as if Federer didn't have his fair share of luck either. Tipsarevic Australian Open 2008, Andreev US Open 2008, Berdych Australian Open 2009, Haas Roland Garros 2009 all immediately come to mind!

Don't also forget Davydenko at 2010 AO (last semi of the streak but still). Best player in the world at that moment and choked horribly.

Haas in 2006 Australian Open 4th round also comes to mind. Haas could have won that match. Tough 5 setter.

Even though it was a four setter, Jose Acasuso actually came really close to a straight or 4 sets victory over Roger in 2009 FO. It was a crazy match to watch really.

I am sure there are probably one or two others.

None had match points but Haas did have break point at 4-4 in the 3rd set. Tipsaravic was also a breaker away from a 2 set to 0 lead.

What do all these players have in common though? They are chokers.

So I guess we can credit choking just as much as great play for anybodys chance at this record. The cold truth of the matter is anyone who equalls or even gets close to this record is going to have at least several of these types of matches along the way, and whether Djoker gets there or not, I suspect we haven't seen the last of the great escapes.

stewietennis
02-03-2013, 09:47 PM
Another three years of maintaining this level is a tough task. Withdrawing from one tournament or getting injured breaks the streak, not to mention with Nadal falling in the rankings he could end up in Novak's quarter at the FO and/or Wimbledon this year.

Looner
02-03-2013, 09:48 PM
He will make a run and hopefully fail by Fed's hands :angel:.

Chase Visa
02-03-2013, 09:55 PM
It's actually not that far fetched. But there's got to be an injury in there somewhere, and Djokovic will probably be Rosoled eventually.... he'd have to make all semis until RG 2016 to break it.

johnny tsunami
02-04-2013, 03:37 AM
yes.

Midnight Ninja
02-04-2013, 04:07 AM
Don't also forget Davydenko at 2010 AO (last semi of the streak but still). Best player in the world at that moment and choked horribly.

Haas in 2006 Australian Open 4th round also comes to mind. Haas could have won that match. Tough 5 setter.

Even though it was a four setter, Jose Acasuso actually came really close to a straight or 4 sets victory over Roger in 2009 FO. It was a crazy match to watch really.

I am sure there are probably one or two others.

None had match points but Haas did have break point at 4-4 in the 3rd set. Tipsaravic was also a breaker away from a 2 set to 0 lead.

What do all these players have in common though? They are chokers.

So I guess we can credit choking just as much as great play for anybodys chance at this record. The cold truth of the matter is anyone who equalls or even gets close to this record is going to have at least several of these types of matches along the way, and whether Djoker gets there or not, I suspect we haven't seen the last of the great escapes.

I agree with the rest but that inside out forehand on break point was all Federer.

Hola Mr. SK
02-04-2013, 06:43 AM
yes

Mountaindewslave
02-04-2013, 08:36 AM
Fedtards are already giving up on the present, looking backwards to Fed's relevance.

Federer is 31 and took Murray to 5 sets a few weeks ago.... either present or past, Roger looks great. probably looks even more amazing if you focus on his appearance now, 31 years old and still playing amazing. see if Nadal, Djokovic, Murray are playing well at 31. let alone playing at all

Hewitt =Legend
02-04-2013, 08:37 AM
This record that Federer holds is ridiculously absurd and it would take a herculean effort of monumental proportions for Nole to break it. He's pretty much halfway there at the moment, can he keep up this level of play for the other half? It's pretty doubtful, the extremely high level of play you have to consistently produce during the strenuous environment of grand slam tennis is almost impossible. You'd have to think Wimbledon is the most likely event his current streak will end, but all it takes is one player catching fire and you're immediately in a dogfight (Wawrinka this year at the AO is a prime example).

Saberq
02-04-2013, 11:58 AM
Federer is 31 and took Murray to 5 sets a few weeks ago.... either present or past, Roger looks great. probably looks even more amazing if you focus on his appearance now, 31 years old and still playing amazing. see if Nadal, Djokovic, Murray are playing well at 31. let alone playing at all

Agassi was 34 years old and took Federer to 5 sets?Your point?

Radalek
02-04-2013, 12:07 PM
Agassi was 34 years old and took Federer to 5 sets?Your point?

I think someone got owned :) .

pepita1964
02-04-2013, 01:13 PM
Agassi was 34 years old and took Federer to 5 sets?Your point?

But Agassi did not have so many matches like Federer has at this age and Agassi did not have 17 GS so who is more hungry,

TBkeeper
02-04-2013, 01:24 PM
But Agassi did not have so many matches like Federer has at this age and Agassi did not have 17 GS so who is more hungry,

I think someone got owned :) .

Time Violation
02-04-2013, 01:47 PM
So you two clowns know exactly how much someone was "hungry", can you tell me also the numbers for the next lottery? :lol:

OnyxRose
02-04-2013, 01:49 PM
TBH, I think that record is going to stand a very long time. Roger was never really injury-prone but the rest of the guys on the tour are.

Saberq
02-04-2013, 02:01 PM
But Agassi did not have so many matches like Federer has at this age and Agassi did not have 17 GS so who is more hungry,

I think someone got owned :) .

both of you are owned

the fact Agassi was less hungry as you say means he had less motivation and still took prime Fed to 5 sets.........fuck some people here stupid beyond belief

Mark Lenders
02-04-2013, 02:11 PM
No. He has had quite a few close calls during his streak, namely against Wawrinka in Australia and Tsonga in Paris last year, at some point he will end up losing one of those sort of matches.

jaymon112
02-04-2013, 02:18 PM
Agassi's longevity is astonishing, I think him being competitive against Federer past-prime is evidence of that a prime version of Roger does not simply blast all past ATG's as some here would suggest.

Sophocles
02-04-2013, 02:21 PM
Novak's chances of equalling this record are similar to Fernando Gonzalez's chances in the 2007 A.O. final, according to Andy Roddick's assessment.

Slim.

pepita1964
02-04-2013, 02:44 PM
Agassi was hungry as much as Fed at that time when they played ,If you compare Fed who played against Murray in SF at AO 13 to Agassi who played vs young Fed then. That is the question . This Fed now has 17 GS and a lot of records but that Agassi had 7 or 8 GS with no records on his name as Fed now. So if Agassi could defeat Fed back then he could be hero but if Fed could take a win against Murray in SF It is just nothing for him another final, Like Wimbledon 2012 almost
everyone felt sorry for Murray and Fed just got his 17 GS, It is just business for Federer,He just broke Murray's heart and his mother and girlfriend as well. All of them cried in public as if someone was dead,So Fed was as a monster in many people 's eyes not as a "hero".

Saberq
02-04-2013, 03:02 PM
awful English man wow

MTwEeZi
02-04-2013, 03:05 PM
Agassi was hungry as much as Fed at that time when they played ,If you compare Fed who played against Murray in SF at AO 13 to Agassi who played vs young Fed then. That is the question . This Fed now has 17 GS and a lot of records but that Agassi had 7 or 8 GS with no records on his name as Fed now. So if Agassi could defeat Fed back then he could be hero but if Fed could take a win against Murray in SF It is just nothing for him another final, Like Wimbledon 2012 almost everyone felt sorry for Murray and Fed just got his 17 GS, It is just business for Federer,He just broke Murray's heart and his mother and girlfriend as well. All of them cried in public as if someone was dead,So Fed was as a monster in many people 's eyes not as a "hero".

:haha:

pepita1964
02-04-2013, 03:18 PM
awful English man wow

Do you want me:) to write a bestseller

Lee
02-04-2013, 03:24 PM
Don't you love the arguments in MTF? :lol:

We have posts claiming Djokovic won 6 slams because it's a weak era, not much competition. Federer won his slams in a stronger era. Then turned around saying Djokovic won't make this SF streak as competition is tough, blah, blah, blah.

Spierbal
02-04-2013, 03:39 PM
Don't you love the arguments in MTF? :lol:

We have posts claiming Djokovic won 6 slams because it's a weak era, not much competition. Federer won his slams in a stronger era. Then turned around saying Djokovic won't make this SF streak as competition is tough, blah, blah, blah.

Hey, don't you know its all the above..

janko05
02-04-2013, 03:53 PM
Agassi was hungry as much as Fed at that time when they played ,If you compare Fed who played against Murray in SF at AO 13 to Agassi who played vs young Fed then. That is the question . This Fed now has 17 GS and a lot of records but that Agassi had 7 or 8 GS with no records on his name as Fed now. So if Agassi could defeat Fed back then he could be hero but if Fed could take a win against Murray in SF It is just nothing for him another final, Like Wimbledon 2012 almost
everyone felt sorry for Murray and Fed just got his 17 GS, It is just business for Federer,He just broke Murray's heart and his mother and girlfriend as well. All of them cried in public as if someone was dead,So Fed was as a monster in many people 's eyes not as a "hero".

Fixed :yeah:

samo7266
02-04-2013, 03:59 PM
it's a given at this point only..............................12 more to go 3 years :D

He's definitely got a shot at it, he's been the most consistent player on tour since 2011. Still a long, long way to go though...I agree.

pepita1964
02-04-2013, 05:34 PM
Fixed :yeah:

Thanks a lot! Next time i will get my pair of glasses

Mountaindewslave
02-04-2013, 06:24 PM
Agassi was 34 years old and took Federer to 5 sets?Your point?

Agassi hardly declined he played very smart tennis. Roger is not anywhere near as good as he used to be. the point is that a mediocre Federer (compared to his standards as far as how he used to play) still beats everyone and can handle these guys in their primes. it obviously says something about his longevity

you won't see Nadal, Novak, Andy playing as well as Federer does at 31, if they're still playing. granted none of them were nearly as good in their primes (right now) as Federer was in his. except maybe Nadal on clay and Djokovic in 2011

Saberq
02-04-2013, 06:40 PM
Agassi hardly declined he played very smart tennis. Roger is not anywhere near as good as he used to be. the point is that a mediocre Federer (compared to his standards as far as how he used to play) still beats everyone and can handle these guys in their primes. it obviously says something about his longevity

you won't see Nadal, Novak, Andy playing as well as Federer does at 31, if they're still playing. granted none of them were nearly as good in their primes (right now) as Federer was in his. except maybe Nadal on clay and Djokovic in 2011

Agassi was still much worse than when he was 25

BauerAlmeida
02-04-2013, 07:18 PM
Agassi didn't decline?? Watch his matches from RG 91', AO 95' and USO 95' and compare it to his later years. He was competitive untill he retired, but he clearly declined.

Saberq
02-04-2013, 07:26 PM
Agassi didn't decline?? Watch his matches from RG 91', AO 95' and USO 95' and compare it to his later years. He was competitive untill he retired, but he clearly declined.

no only Fed declines man

atennisfan
02-04-2013, 10:15 PM
Agassi at 34 had less mileage than Fed at 31.

Saberq
02-04-2013, 10:25 PM
Agassi at 34 had less mileage than Fed at 31.

irrelevant he was a worse player

Han Solo
02-04-2013, 10:26 PM
Agassi didn't decline?? Watch his matches from RG 91', AO 95' and USO 95' and compare it to his later years. He was competitive untill he retired, but he clearly declined.

I've watched 'em. It would help your argument if you could at least pinpoint one or two things from the matches you cite...

Edit: Incidentally, why has this thread turned into a comparison between Federer and Agassi in their later years? I've lost track of how this pertains to the thread topic.

atennisfan
02-04-2013, 10:38 PM
irrelevant he was a worse player

Why is mileage irrelevant?

Unless you are a robot, or has the egg, pretty sure mileage is relevant.

Saberq
02-04-2013, 10:52 PM
Why is mileage irrelevant?

Unless you are a robot, or has the egg, pretty sure mileage is relevant.

I have less mileage than Federer......you think I have a better shot against Murray than him? :cool:

BauerAlmeida
02-05-2013, 01:03 AM
I've watched 'em. It would help your argument if you could at least pinpoint one or two things from the matches you cite...

Edit: Incidentally, why has this thread turned into a comparison between Federer and Agassi in their later years? I've lost track of how this pertains to the thread topic.

More power, better stamina, better reflexes. Basically everything anyone can do better when they're 25 than when they're 35 he did too.

Look at his returns for example, (In the 90's) he could hit winners from +200 km/h serves in surfaces that were a lot faster than the ones he played in the mid 2000's. In the AO 2005 he was aced like 60 times in a match (against Joachim Johansson). In Wimbledon 92' he made Ivanisevic's and Becker's serves look average at times.

atennisfan
02-05-2013, 02:24 AM
I have less mileage than Federer......you think I have a better shot against Murray than him? :cool:

You are comparing yourself to Agassi/Federer?

:facepalm:

I know that djokertards are adverse to facts and logic, but this one takes the cake.

GOATsol
02-05-2013, 02:26 AM
:haha::spit:

Nole has no chance.

Saberq
02-05-2013, 02:30 AM
You are comparing yourself to Agassi/Federer?

:facepalm:

I know that djokertards are adverse to facts and logic, but this one takes the cake.

I was making a point you cant understand I see

Yolita
02-05-2013, 02:55 AM
You are comparing yourself to Agassi/Federer?

:facepalm:

I know that djokertards are adverse to facts and logic, but this one takes the cake.

Of course he isn't: his comment was ironic.

Your response itself should have alerted you to the fact that maybe there was more to the comment than meets the eye. ;)

NSMv1924
02-05-2013, 02:58 AM
Isn't he already 2nd on the list with 11? With every SF appearance by Novak the record will lose its luster...poor Fedtards will go on sui watch

Topspindoctor
02-05-2013, 03:00 AM
Nole's and Olderer's SF records are nothing compared to Mugray completing career runner up slam this year :rocker2:

Litotes
02-05-2013, 04:48 AM
Isn't he already 2nd on the list with 11? With every SF appearance by Novak the record will lose its luster...poor Fedtards will go on sui watch

He's second, yes.

You think any record that's not at least twice as big as second best loses luster? Interesting thought. That leaves very few impressive records. Djokovic would need 605 weeks as #1 to impress, Nadal 13 RGs...tough demands.

jcempire
02-05-2013, 05:06 AM
:haha::spit:

Nole has no chance.

Fully Agree

He is not Roger Federer

No chance to be next one

He almost lost to Stanislas Wawrinka one month ago. Peak Roger Federer would never make this kind of mistake. And never have same experience against a guy like Stanislas Wawrinka

Roger federer is way way better

2003
02-05-2013, 08:53 AM
No. He has had quite a few close calls during his streak, namely against Wawrinka in Australia and Tsonga in Paris last year, at some point he will end up losing one of those sort of matches.

Nope, your under estimating the egg again. Why oh why must you under estimate the egg?

Imperfect Angel
02-05-2013, 11:56 AM
Possible.

Time Violation
02-05-2013, 12:21 PM
Anyway, 2nd best streak is still pretty cool even if he's not likely to pass Fed, something even Nadal couldn't do :)

Litotes
02-05-2013, 12:33 PM
Anyway, 2nd best streak is still pretty cool even if he's not likely to pass Fed, something even Nadal couldn't do :)

Second best streak of all time is no mean achievement, I think it's definitely something to be proud about :)

NSMv1924
02-05-2013, 12:54 PM
He's second, yes.

You think any record that's not at least twice as big as second best loses luster? Interesting thought. That leaves very few impressive records. Djokovic would need 605 weeks as #1 to impress, Nadal 13 RGs...tough demands.

I think you know what I meant. When you set the record at 23 and the next guy is at 10, that's pretty impressive to say the least. However if the next guy gets to 20 let's say, it just doesn't have the same aura...and I think he will get fairly close.

Litotes
02-05-2013, 12:59 PM
I think you know what I meant. When you set the record at 23 and the next guy is at 10, that's pretty impressive to say the least. However if the next guy gets to 20 let's say, it just doesn't have the same aura...and I think he will get fairly close.

Yeah, well, we all choose what impresses us. Me, I think it's pretty aweinspiring to have more than twice as much as the 3rd best ever, which Fed will continue to have no matter what Djokovic does. If you don't then - again - there's not many impressive records out there.

BauerAlmeida
02-05-2013, 01:42 PM
Fully Agree

He is not Roger Federer

No chance to be next one

He almost lost to Stanislas Wawrinka one month ago. Peak Roger Federer would never make this kind of mistake. And never have same experience against a guy like Stanislas Wawrinka

Roger federer is way way better

And Federer almost lost to Roddick the Wimbledon final, so?? The record is 23 semi finals in a row, not 23 semi finals wining every match easily. Nobody cares if Federer is way better, the thread is about the SF strak.

Corey Feldman
02-05-2013, 02:18 PM
just wait for French open when he draws Nadal in QF, adios streak :D

FedGOAT
02-05-2013, 02:21 PM
And Federer almost lost to Roddick the Wimbledon final, so?? The record is 23 semi finals in a row, not 23 semi finals wining every match easily. Nobody cares if Federer is way better, the thread is about the SF strak.

5 close sets in the final of gran slam vs a GS winner and multiple finalist servebot on fire isnt the same than 5 close sets vs an on fire wawrinka. Your comparison is invalid, there was plenty of other good comparisons but you failed. And this thread is kinda about federer and djokovic.

ogbg
02-05-2013, 02:23 PM
I was thinking of a slight generalisation to this idea. A streak is one thing and it is a spectacular achievement but in some ways a player's longest streak is just the tip of the iceberg.

The idea is that the 2 important factors in a given span are: 1) number of semis, 2) rate at which those semis were achieved. Multiplying the 2 together gives us a number which reflect both (e.g. a player who reached 20 semis in twice as many tournaments as another player would achieve half the score of that player). One problem with this is that it's not neccessarily clear over which span to take the rate. I chose to use the span from the player's first semi to their last, at the expense of penalising players who achieved their last semi after several years in the wilderness. Ideally, you would calculate the figure over all possible spans and report the maximum value. A second problem is how to treat absences from tournaments. This is particularly problematic in the case of 1980s players who didn't attend the AO. I chose to factor absenses into the rate and, as a result, I didn't include players like McEnroe, Borg, Agassi, or Connors since their figures would be hard to compare to other players'. I did include Wilander because he only missed two AOs and Becker because he only missed one.

A selected list (not complete) of players I chose to look at. All have at least 10 GS semi-finals:

1. Federer - 33 @ 0.846 = 27.923
2. Lendl - 28 @ 0.651 = 18.233
3. Djokovic - 18 @ 0.750 = 13.500
4. Nadal - 19 @ 0.655 = 12.448
5. Sampras - 23 @ 0.469 = 10.796
6. Edberg - 19 @ 0.487 = 9.256
7. Murray - 12 @ 0.667 = 8.000
8. Becker - 18 @ 0.429 = 7.714
9. Courier - 11 @ 0.579 = 6.368
10. Wilander - 14 @ 0.452 = 6.323
11. Roddick - 10 @ 0.370 = 3.704

Saberq
02-05-2013, 02:29 PM
5 close sets in the final of gran slam vs a GS winner and multiple finalist servebot on fire isnt the same than 5 close sets vs an on fire wawrinka. Your comparison is invalid, there was plenty of other good comparisons but you failed. And this thread is kinda about federer and djokovic.

Fed went to 5 sets with fucking Haas and you're right it's even worse for a servebot to take you to 5 sets

Looner
02-05-2013, 02:31 PM
Nole's and Olderer's SF records are nothing compared to Mugray completing career runner up slam this year :rocker2:

Wrong, my friend :p. Nol2 already completed the RU slam :p.

Sanya
02-05-2013, 03:01 PM
Pyramids will fall, but this Federer`s record will be never in real danger. Maybe once someone will overperform Roger`s quantaty of Majors, but not this one.

Branimir
02-05-2013, 03:26 PM
Wrong, my friend :p. Nol2 already completed the RU slam :p.

What do you mean? He never lost AO final and Wimbledon final.

Alex999
02-05-2013, 03:30 PM
To me personally, this 'record' is completely irrelevant. Even if Nole somehow reaches 23 semis, again irrelevant. When they are both done, historians, journalists will remember only their titles (majors, masters etc.) plus how many weeks they spent as #1.

Both players are very consistent and that's why they are champions.

Saberq
02-05-2013, 04:16 PM
Wrong, my friend :p. Nol2 already completed the RU slam :p.

no he didnt

actually that would be Federer

Yolita
02-05-2013, 04:41 PM
I think you know what I meant. When you set the record at 23 and the next guy is at 10, that's pretty impressive to say the least. However if the next guy gets to 20 let's say, it just doesn't have the same aura...and I think he will get fairly close.

This is sooo true. Remember in 2011 when Novak was on a winning streak? And there were many streaks being compared to his, like McEnroe in 1984. Pundits even tried to add McEnroe's wins from the Masters Cup 1983 to pad his streak, although tose matches didn't belong to the 1984 season. It was worth doing that because the numbers were so close.

But in those years, the Australian Open used to be played at the end of the season. So a winning streak to start the season didn't have to include a Grand Slam title. That was easier to do. If we consider winning streaks to start the season, when the Australian Open is played at the beginning of the season (the last 27 years) these are the numbers:

LONGEST WINNING STREAKS TO START A SEASON WHICH INCLUDES AO (From 1987)
1. Novak Djokovic 41 (2011)
2. Pete Sampras 17 (1997)
3. Roger Federer 16 (2006)
4. Andre Agassi 15 (1995)
4. Stefan Edberg 15 (1987)

Novak's streak looks a little better now, doesn't it? :)

At the moment, Roger's safe, his semifinal streak is truly impressive, Novak is nowhere near it. I don't think Nole will be able to match it... But let's see how many more slam semis Nole can add to his total. :)

pepita1964
02-05-2013, 04:50 PM
IMO the most impressive record of Federer is his consecutive 237 weeks as #1 no one will be able to break it, It is unreal for me.

viruzzz
02-05-2013, 04:51 PM
Roger's safe at any situation.
I don't see Djokovic winning 7 more Wimbledon titles or another 12 (at least) grand slams, or even 5 more WTF.
Or staying number one at more than 302 weeks... Sorry, but those are the records who matter, before taking the SF record, talk about the final record, it's even more impressive, 10 consecutive finals, then 8 more.

Nadal couldn't do that at his best moment. If you're thinking Djokovic is a better player than Nadal you're clearly fuckin it up.

viruzzz
02-05-2013, 04:53 PM
Fed went to 5 sets with fucking Haas and you're right it's even worse for a servebot to take you to 5 sets

Yeah, but he was never outplayed in that match. It was a great display of tennis by both players, winners all the way.
Learn your shit right before talking.

duarte_a
02-05-2013, 04:54 PM
Roger's safe at any situation.
I don't see Djokovic winning 7 more Wimbledon titles or another 12 (at least) grand slams, or even 5 more WTF.
Or staying number one at more than 302 weeks... Sorry, but those are the records who matter, before taking the SF record, talk about the final record, it's even more impressive, 10 consecutive finals, then 8 more.

Nadal couldn't do that at his best moment. If you're thinking Djokovic is a better player than Nadal you're clearly fuckin it up.

I've said it before, for me the most impressive slam achievement in terms of consistency is not the semis or quarter streaks but the 18 finals out of 19 slams.

Saberq
02-05-2013, 05:33 PM
Yeah, but he was never outplayed in that match. It was a great display of tennis by both players, winners all the way.
Learn your shit right before talking.

of course he was outplayed for 2 sets.......the ones he lost

Trollicki
02-05-2013, 07:07 PM
Well, I hope he does. I like to count after all, the more the better, ah ah ah!

iniesta896
02-05-2013, 07:17 PM
Nope, he will lose to Dimitrov


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Saberq
02-05-2013, 07:32 PM
Nope, he will lose to Dimitrov


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yes weaponless players usually beat Novak :worship:

StevieMardenboro
02-05-2013, 11:30 PM
The irony is that if Djokovic does get close to it it will be Federer fans saying it is because the second half of Novak's career was played in a "weak era"

Mr. Oracle
02-06-2013, 02:05 AM
11 pages of people posting who adore 4th place. Luv the quarter-final thread too (8th place). Gloryhunters.

samanosuke
02-06-2013, 06:07 AM
do people realize we are here talking about 3 more years of grinding and bleeding in every match. if he succeeds to do that i'll be the first who'll admit his goatness

heya
02-06-2013, 02:45 PM
"It's better to win 2 semis with 2 match points each match, no", says Nadal.

Orangeball
02-06-2013, 04:08 PM
just wait for French open when he draws Nadal in QF, adios streak :D
Wishful thinking but you never know

Looner
02-06-2013, 04:23 PM
no he didnt

actually that would be Federer

Ah, pardon. It was Nadal that was going for the RU slam last year at RG. No12 didn't want to comply though...

yes weaponless players usually beat Novak :worship:

Dimitrov is certainly NOT weaponless - he has his hair and GOAT smile. Just ask Sharapova, she knows.

2003
02-07-2013, 12:58 AM
I've said it before, for me the most impressive slam achievement in terms of consistency is not the semis or quarter streaks but the 18 finals out of 19 slams.

It's not a streak though.

Blame mono, but it has to be conescutive.

stewietennis
02-07-2013, 01:13 AM
It's not a streak though.

Blame mono, but it has to be conescutive.

I don't think he said it was a streak though

BauerAlmeida
02-07-2013, 01:56 AM
I've said it before, for me the most impressive slam achievement in terms of consistency is not the semis or quarter streaks but the 18 finals out of 19 slams.

Agree. 18 finals out 19 slams and the other one is a semi is ridiculous. That one and 11 non-clay slams won out of 12 played (2004-2007) are his most impressive achievements I think.

Roy Emerson
02-07-2013, 01:08 PM
I've said it before, for me the most impressive slam achievement in terms of consistency is not the semis or quarter streaks but the 18 finals out of 19 slams.



Agree.

duarte_a
02-07-2013, 01:19 PM
It's not a streak though.

Blame mono, but it has to be conescutive.

I don't think he said it was a streak though

No I didn't. I said the achievement that shows the most consistency at slam level.

2003
02-07-2013, 08:08 PM
But x of xx just doesn't have the same ring to it as something consecutive.

Time Violation
02-07-2013, 08:18 PM
But x of xx just doesn't have the same ring to it as something consecutive.

Stop it already, I'm not a fan of Fed, but it's painful to read

Commander Data
02-07-2013, 08:45 PM
Nole will pulverize every record.

samanosuke
02-07-2013, 08:46 PM
records should be renamed into Nole's milestones

2003
09-10-2013, 11:54 PM
14 down, well and truely over half way there. Only 9 to go to equal it, 10 to break it. I think it's looking very doable now.

Halba
09-11-2013, 12:14 AM
14 down, well and truely over half way there. Only 9 to go to equal it, 10 to break it. I think it's looking very doable now.

very doable. esp as muzz will always be in semi. also the competition, the level from big 3 to the rest is a huge step down. the level of djoker to rafa is also fair now.

Baseline86
09-11-2013, 12:24 AM
Nole will pulverize every record.

You mean Lendl record of losing finals? he has more than a few fnials to lose on clay and hc agains rafa and finals on grass against murray, thats for sure..