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How would a Djokodal 2011 Roland Garros final have gone?

2003
02-03-2012, 08:26 AM
Some might find this thread torrid, however, depending on what happens with Novak this year, this slam (2011 RG) could potentially have massive record breaking implications for Djokovic and history. I mean imagine if Nole won back to back CYGS. He would be GOAT in many peoples eyes. Without even realising it this could be the slam they will all be talking about in 10 years.

How do you think this final would have played out?

This is Nadal at RG remember.

I personally think Djokovic would have won because Nadal started his final poorly against Fed in the first set, and I think Djokovic would have capitalised and won in 4 or 5 tough sets with a breaker or two. Novak had already proved his fitness in Rome so 5 sets wouldnt have been so intimidating on the red stuff.

I know with whats happened retrospectively most will say Djokovic would have won, but bear in mind Djoko hadnt won as many in a row back then, Wimbledon, US and AO 12 haddnt happened yet. So Nadal still would have been confident. And Djokovic was out of sorts after a 4 day layoff to the semis, and may not have totally had his mojo back even after the Fed match. Also, a resurging Del Pot took a set from him.

I say Novak 6-4, 6-7, 7-6 7-5

How would you see it? People are going to talk about this a lot this year so better have a seperate thread for it to leave the nonsense out of other threads.

duong
02-03-2012, 08:30 AM
Djokovic in 4, more easily than you see it : remember that :

- Roland-Garros last year was clearly quicker than the Australian Open is

- Nadal was not in great form in RG

- Djokovic was good, just made too many errors and lost a tight match against a firing Fed

This was just Fed's birthday present to Rafa, as he said it after his match.

But it's not sure that Djokovic would have made the calendar year grand slam : he was also very very very near from losing the US Open ;)

zcess81
02-03-2012, 08:41 AM
Pointless question. He didn't get to the final, so what's the point of even debating the outcome of a match that never even happened?

viruzzz
02-03-2012, 08:49 AM
Nole in 5.

All Rafifans are thanking Roger, as they should do for Rafy's entire career.

duong
02-03-2012, 08:54 AM
as they should do for Rafy's entire career.

I do think indeed that Nadal's wins over Fed played a huge part in Nadal's overall confidence, and on the media part, also in Nadal's fame.

echf
02-03-2012, 09:00 AM
Pointless question. He didn't get to the final, so what's the point of even debating the outcome of a match that never even happened?
Do you per chance think it would make more sense to debate the outcome of a match that *did* happen?

zcess81
02-03-2012, 09:04 AM
Do you per chance think it would make more sense to debate the outcome of a match that *did* happen?

In a way, yes. Debating what would have happened if Rafa didn't miss that easy looking backhand in the 5th set seems more appropriate than debating a match that never even took place. We will never know what form both players would have been in for that FO final that never happened. In AO final we saw that both players were at pretty much the same level in the 5th set, so debating that easy backhand miss is, in a way, more justified.

A_Skywalker
02-03-2012, 09:08 AM
Djokovic would have won, Nadal is useless against him. Even on clay. He destroyed Rafa the way Rafa destroyed Fed. Or even more

ossie
02-03-2012, 09:11 AM
nadal would have lost

shmeeko69
02-03-2012, 09:21 AM
Some might find this thread torrid, however, depending on what happens with Novak this year, this slam (2011 RG) could potentially have massive record breaking implications for Djokovic and history. I mean imagine if Nole won back to back CYGS. He would be GOAT in many peoples eyes. Without even realising it this could be the slam they will all be talking about in 10 years.

How do you think this final would have played out?

This is Nadal at RG remember.

I personally think Djokovic would have won because Nadal started his final poorly against Fed in the first set, and I think Djokovic would have capitalised and won in 4 or 5 tough sets with a breaker or two. Novak had already proved his fitness in Rome so 5 sets wouldnt have been so intimidating on the red stuff.

I know with whats happened retrospectively most will say Djokovic would have won, but bear in mind Djoko hadnt won as many in a row back then, Wimbledon, US and AO 12 haddnt happened yet. So Nadal still would have been confident. And Djokovic was out of sorts after a 4 day layoff to the semis, and may not have totally had his mojo back even after the Fed match. Also, a resurging Del Pot took a set from him.

I say Novak 6-4, 6-7, 7-6 7-5

How would you see it? People are going to talk about this a lot this year so better have a seperate thread for it to leave the nonsense out of other threads.

It's quite a tough question to answer, but I still think Nadal would have won. I honestly think there isn't much in it ability wise between the top 4 players and it comes down to psychology. Nadal has the upper hand with Federer and Murray with the fear factor, but Djokovic has comes along and now Nadal seems to have the problem with him. Djokovic is rightfully number one, but Nadal is still the king of clay and would probably have still won RG in 2011 against Djokovic.

zcess81
02-03-2012, 09:25 AM
Funny thing is, if Nole and Nadal did play in that final, and if Nadal beat Nole, who's to say what would have happened afterwards? Maybe Nadal would have gained confidence and beaten Nole in Wimbledon/USO/AO finals. Everything happens for a reason. Maybe Fed did Nole a favor of a lifetime by taking him out in the semi finals. Maybe Nole wasn't ready to face Rafa at FO then...he is now, that's for sure. In fact, timing has never been better. And more importantly, if he loses to Rafa this year in FO final, it won't affect him nearly as badly as it would have last year. Afterall, he has last 3 grand slams.

duong
02-03-2012, 09:28 AM
I honestly think there isn't much in it ability wise between the top 4 players and it comes down to psychology.

When Roland-Garros arrived, Nadal was at the bottom of his confidence, as his interviews during the tournament proved.

Wimbledon final, which happened one month later, proved it again.

His uncle had given him more fighting spirit when the US Open arrived, and then the Australian Open.

Imagine that Djokovic had beaten Nadal in both Roland-Garros : that would have hurt his confidence badly. I think Fed may have saved Nadal that day.

echf
02-03-2012, 10:08 AM
In a way, yes. Debating what would have happened if Rafa didn't miss that easy looking backhand in the 5th set seems more appropriate than debating a match that never even took place. We will never know what form both players would have been in for that FO final that never happened. In AO final we saw that both players were at pretty much the same level in the 5th set, so debating that easy backhand miss is, in a way, more justified.
I see your point, it makes sense. But in this case the question is not "what would the outcome be?" (which is known), but "what could it have been if just he hadn't missed that shot".

MaxPower
02-03-2012, 10:52 AM
so how did the clay matches between Djokodal go before RG? How was the H2H up to that point in the season? Djokovic would have won...and it could have become a real Grand Slam over the season. So in some sense Federer prevented the most awesome season ever as "the streak" would have been longer too.

RG is such a gamebreaker. Nadals RG streak. Federers SF streak. Djokovic's win streak. All have fallen. Murray better get some kind of streak too so someone can break it in RG but don't count on it

August
02-03-2012, 11:18 AM
Nole would've won Rafa, say in 4 sets like usually. I wonder whether ATP/ITF will try to protect Grand Slam, and draw Roger once again on Nole's half.

Shirogane
02-03-2012, 11:34 AM
so how did the clay matches between Djokodal go before RG? How was the H2H up to that point in the season? Djokovic would have won...and it could have become a real Grand Slam over the season. So in some sense Federer prevented the most awesome season ever as "the streak" would have been longer too.

RG is such a gamebreaker. Nadals RG streak. Federers SF streak. Djokovic's win streak. All have fallen. Murray better get some kind of streak too so someone can break it in RG but don't count on itMurray's streak of grand slam shortcomings, maybe? Though he'll have to be the who breaks that one.


Nole would've won Rafa, say in 4 sets like usually. I wonder whether ATP/ITF will try to protect Grand Slam, and draw Roger once again on Nole's half.I'm sure they would love him to do the Grand Slam, or at least secure the career slam at RG.

Mystique
02-03-2012, 11:41 AM
Of course we can never know for sure, but I feel Djokovic would have beaten Nadal in four. And in a way, not meeting Djokovic at RG saved Nadal at Wimbledon and USO (though he lost to ND, He made the finals of both - a great achievement in itself). Losing his foothold at RG could have done Nadal in for the year - like how it panned out in 2009.

Nole would've won Rafa, say in 4 sets like usually. I wonder whether ATP/ITF will try to protect Grand Slam, and draw Roger once again on Nole's half.

Hardly a given Federer will be able to replicate last year's performance this year too. But I do agree that out of the big fishes, Fed may be the likeliest to beat Novak at RG simply because he will be the most motivated of them all to stop the Novak slam.;) I think he would (rightfully) feel HE should have been the one to do it, no way will be sit back and watch another guy do it while he is still on tour. At least not without a fight :)
But he turns 31 in a few months, Novak will be highly motivated to get 4 in a row...I dont know. Fingers crossed anyway :D

Shirogane
02-03-2012, 12:37 PM
Playing that good a match two years in a row, while pushing 31, is very unlikely. Like you say, fingers crossed but I think we're due for a 'Djokodal' final in Paris.

MIMIC
02-03-2012, 01:15 PM
Straight set beatdown. Nadal might have even retired to prevent a bagel.

6-1, 6-2, 4-0 RET

BroTree123
02-03-2012, 01:17 PM
The same result as the 2012 RG final.

atennisfan
02-03-2012, 01:29 PM
Nole would've won Rafa, say in 4 sets like usually. I wonder whether ATP/ITF will try to protect Grand Slam, and draw Roger once again on Nole's half.


On the contrary. It seems ATP/ITF wants someone to do CYGS this generation, they just don't care who

Clay Death
02-03-2012, 01:55 PM
Some might find this thread torrid, however, depending on what happens with Novak this year, this slam (2011 RG) could potentially have massive record breaking implications for Djokovic and history. I mean imagine if Nole won back to back CYGS. He would be GOAT in many peoples eyes. Without even realising it this could be the slam they will all be talking about in 10 years.

How do you think this final would have played out?

This is Nadal at RG remember.

I personally think Djokovic would have won because Nadal started his final poorly against Fed in the first set, and I think Djokovic would have capitalised and won in 4 or 5 tough sets with a breaker or two. Novak had already proved his fitness in Rome so 5 sets wouldnt have been so intimidating on the red stuff.

I know with whats happened retrospectively most will say Djokovic would have won, but bear in mind Djoko hadnt won as many in a row back then, Wimbledon, US and AO 12 haddnt happened yet. So Nadal still would have been confident. And Djokovic was out of sorts after a 4 day layoff to the semis, and may not have totally had his mojo back even after the Fed match. Also, a resurging Del Pot took a set from him.

I say Novak 6-4, 6-7, 7-6 7-5

How would you see it? People are going to talk about this a lot this year so better have a seperate thread for it to leave the nonsense out of other threads.

very few people are willing to bet against the clay warrior in a final of RG. he is 6-0 there in the finals.

and he has lost just 1 best of 5 sets match on red clay in his life. he was injured in that match.

i am certainly not betting against the clay warrior in a RG final.

2003
06-19-2012, 11:09 AM
The same result as the 2012 RG final.

Really?

duong
06-19-2012, 11:28 AM
I'm even more sure now than before that Djokovic would have won that 2011 final.

Even when he's in bad form and Nadal is in great form, he gives him huge problems or even beats him.

He was in much better form in RG 2011 and Nadal was in bad form, also the mental advantage was more important than ever (remember Wimbledon final and in RG Nadal looked mentally very bad), I'm more convinced than ever that Fed gave Nadal a great birthday gift, unfortunately.

The question I've been wondering now is rather : did Fed in that RG semifinal prevent Djokovic from making the calendar grand slam ? I mean would Djokovic have resisted the pressure in Wimbledon and even more in the US Open (remember how he saved a match point) ? I'm not that sure Djokovic would have made the calendar grand slam when I see how he's dealt with the pressure this year and even in last year's RG semifinal.

tyruk14
06-19-2012, 12:11 PM
Novak Djokovic winning five majors in a row and supplanting Nadal's third tier GOAT candidacy. High stakes.

Logical
06-19-2012, 12:16 PM
Matador in 5 stes.

Backhand_Maestro
06-19-2012, 12:20 PM
Given it was the second slam of his mental year; Clay is still Nadal's forte so the complexion was different.

By Wimbledon his record year had scaled new heights and his momentum was irreversible.

duong
06-19-2012, 12:27 PM
Given it was the second slam of his mental year; Clay is still Nadal's forte so the complexion was different.

By Wimbledon his record year had scaled new heights and his momentum was irreversible.

whose momentum do you speak about ? Nadal had more momentum in Wimbledon than in Roland-Garros, Djokovic less, yet Djokovic won, partly because Nadal had a complex. Djokovic had beaten Nadal on clay twice in two sets in a MS1000 final, he had never been good on grass while Nadal had won Wimbledon twice and played 4 finals. Many people like me believe grass is Djokovic's worst surface by far whereas it's a surface which suits Nadal great.

The momentum in Roland-Garros was far more in Djokovic's favour than in Wimbledon.

Johnny Groove
06-19-2012, 01:10 PM
Depends who you like more.

BroTree123
06-19-2012, 01:15 PM
Depends who you like more.

You can pretty much say those exact words in every thread here on MTF.

Backhand_Maestro
06-19-2012, 01:18 PM
whose momentum do you speak about ? Nadal had more momentum in Wimbledon than in Roland-Garros, Djokovic less, yet Djokovic won, partly because Nadal had a complex. Djokovic had beaten Nadal on clay twice in two sets in a MS1000 final, he had never been good on grass while Nadal had won Wimbledon twice and played 4 finals. Many people like me believe grass is Djokovic's worst surface by far whereas it's a surface which suits Nadal great.

The momentum in Roland-Garros was far more in Djokovic's favour than in Wimbledon.

He was creating massive hoopla with McEnroe's record in sight . .

Houstonko
06-19-2012, 01:30 PM
Djoko win the 2011 final for sure, surface was faster. Nadal is never getting 2-0 sets lead.

dencod16
06-19-2012, 02:29 PM
I think he will beat Nadal either on 4 or 5 sets. He was just in Nadal's head and he was a better i mean better player than this year.

Commander Data
06-19-2012, 02:47 PM
these what if threads annoy the shit out of me.

tribalfusion
06-19-2012, 05:51 PM
these what if threads annoy the shit out of me.

I agree.

GSMnadal
06-19-2012, 05:56 PM
http://gototennis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Nadal_Djokovic_Roland_Garros.jpg

evilmindbulgaria
06-19-2012, 06:12 PM
http://gototennis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Nadal_Djokovic_Roland_Garros.jpg

:worship:

Kiedis
06-19-2012, 06:34 PM
these what if threads annoy the shit out of me.

+1

Nole fan
06-19-2012, 07:36 PM
I personally think had it not been for party-spoiler rogelio Nole would already have the Career Slam. More reasons to hate Federer for life.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-19-2012, 08:05 PM
Novak would have won.

In addition, if he'd won the 4th set against Roger, he would have won that match too. He was one tiebreak away from the CYGS.

Mountaindewslave
06-19-2012, 08:31 PM
it's Nadal at Roland Garros, he would have found a will to win.

Orka_n
06-19-2012, 08:32 PM
Piggy would have been roasted.

manadrainer
06-19-2012, 08:48 PM
I think Nole would've won in 4 sets. It took some monumental choking from Fed for Rafa to win in 4, Nole wouldn't have been that generous.

Crisstti
06-19-2012, 09:11 PM
Given how Rafa played that final - very nervous at the beginning, very well later on - I think it'd have probably gone five sets. Who knows who would have won. Rafa wasn't that far in Wimbledon and RG is clay, but he was, at least before the match, better mentally for the Wimbledon final.

Of course, had Novak been in the final and had Rafa won, good chances are he would have won some of the of other finals they played afterwards.

Topspindoctor
06-20-2012, 12:10 AM
Djokovic in 3, easily. Nadal was a clown on clay last year, only winning RG because he got his pigeon in the finals. IMO Nole missed a chance of his career to win RG. Nadal was a different player in 2012.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-20-2012, 09:56 AM
nole in 3

would have been awesome to see cheater-butt picker tards self expode

HOWEVER

nole would have won CGS and then nole tards would have gone insane

and most butt picker tards would glory hunter switch to nole anyway

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-20-2012, 09:59 AM
Nadal was a different player in 2012.

LOL no

nadal was the same 1 dimensional cheat he always is

RG played much better in 2011- the only year where it wasnt a boring shit slam

nole woud have destroyed nadal in those conditions

2011 nole would have destroyed 2012 nadal aswell