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Which top 4 is going to be ranked highest in 2016?

sexybeast
02-02-2012, 03:13 PM
Well, we have Murray, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic dominating like no other top 4 and the young generation really dont look all that promising. Federer is 30 going for 31, Nadal 25 turning 26 and the other 2 will be 25 this year.

3 of them at peak age, but all 3 also play very physically demanding tennis, specially Djokovic and Nadal and it is difficult to see how they can survive when they lose half a step and some of their athletisism. Murray depends alot on his defensive game but seems to have more options, he is a good volleyer and doesnt make crazy athletic defensive movements (sliding, stretching on hardcourt) but depends more on good reading of the game.

Federer will be going for 35 that year, with his slow declining rate it looks like he might still be around if he will still be competitive in slams.

So I would like to hear from you if you think any of the 4 will still be around in the elite of the game by 2016?

If so, who is going to be ranked highest?

Personally I think Murray is going to be still a good player at 29, I see no signs of him puting too heavy physical strain on his body, neither that he lives and die by his athletisism.

Federer is going to be nr2 among them in my opinion, like Agassi but better in his decline, I see him as a top 5 player at almost 35, always a contender in Wimbledon and Usopen atleast.

Djokovic will still be around but hardly the same player he was between 2011-2013, he will decline fast after 2014 but not fall like a bomb, specially since the new generation will not fully replace this old generation, much like the Haas/Kuerten/Moya generation couldnt fully replace Agassi and Sampras. We will have to wait for the generation born in 95-96 to see if they have what it takes to fill the gap.

Nadal I see retiring with some big injury, his game will suddenly look quite worthless when he loses a half step, despite his big forehand his game depends on him running down his opponents flat shots, it is the nature of his game when moonballing high up on opponents backhands you get bombs back crosscourt and Nadal needs to be there always exactly at time with his full stretched forehand, same goes for approach shots when opponents go to the net. Can anyone see him doing that at 30?

I certanly cant.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-02-2012, 03:16 PM
Nadal and Federer both will be retired by 2016.
Murray will be out of top 20 no doubt, Djokovic will be around top 10-20. These dudes are too physical to be top players for four more years.

GasquetFan
02-02-2012, 03:16 PM
Djokovic.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-02-2012, 03:19 PM
Personally I think Murray is going to be still a good player at 29, I see no signs of him puting too heavy physical strain on his body, neither that he lives and die by his athletisism.

Murray depends on his physical form, which won't be as good as now. He has no forehand at all, and with time it will be even weaker. Once he is getting slower, he can't beat decent shotmakers. Djokovic has a brighter future, although pretty similar physically to Murray. But he has the mental, and will be experienced enough to handle these problems. Murray will always have pressure on his shoulders until he retires.

sexybeast
02-02-2012, 03:19 PM
Nadal and Federer both will be retired by 2016.
Murray will be out of top 20 no doubt, Djokovic will be around top 10-20. These dudes are too physical to be top players for four more years.

Federer wont retire before 2016, he loves tennis too much and his style is relaxed and creative, playing tennis is very enjoyable for him. Also he got no injury problems, I would compare him to Rosewall, Sanotoro and Laver. Players who have fun on court stay around for more time, tennis is play and not job for them.

Li Ching Yuen
02-02-2012, 03:21 PM
This thread is unintentionally hilarious. :lol:

Johnny Groove
02-02-2012, 03:21 PM
I think Murray will have the best longevity of him, Nole, and Rafa.

Federer at 35 might not be top 5, but top 10-20 for sure and always a threat for winning a slam.

Rafa at age 30, sadly, will probably still be fighting, but surely not even he can sustain his level of play and style of play for another 4 years? People have been predicting his decline since 05. He'll still be a threat at RG until he retires, but tough to see him being top 5 at age 30.

As for Djokovic, he has not as many miles on his body as Nadal has, but his style I think is just as if not more demanding than Rafa's. At 28-29, he'll still be competitive, sure. Top 5 possibly, top 10 surely, top 15 at worst barring major injury.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-02-2012, 03:22 PM
Federer wont retire before 2016, he loves tennis too much and his style is relaxed and creative, playing tennis is very enjoyable for him. Also he got no injury problems, I would compare him to Rosewall, Sanotoro and Laver. Players who have fun on court stay around for more time, tennis is play and not job for them.

Santoro had nothing to lose by making a clown of himself.
Federer has too incredible records to allow himself to become the "old clown" of the tour.
I would say he will play until 2013-14 at max if he cares.

Clay Death
02-02-2012, 03:23 PM
i dont give a damn what happens in 2016.

now i do worry about what will happen in 3016. that is some cause of concern for me.

Shinoj
02-02-2012, 03:24 PM
No way Federer is going to be there. Can hardly see him play beyond 2013. No way. Rest are up to destiny.They can go any way

sexybeast
02-02-2012, 03:24 PM
Santoro had nothing to lose by making a clown of himself.
Federer has incredible records to become the "old clown" of the tour.
I would say he will play until 2013-14 at max if he cares.

No one sees old players as "old clowns", no one thought of Agassi that way. Also the young generation (Tomic, Harrison, Dmitrov) are not good enought to make old Federer look like a clown.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-02-2012, 03:27 PM
No one sees old players as "old clowns", no one thought of Agassi that way. Also the young generation (Tomic, Harrison, Dmitrov) are not good enought to make old Federer look like a clown.

Tomic will beat a top 4 player this year in my opinion. I think we can agree that in 4 years he will be good enough to beat the current top 4. It's not really mystery.
Agassi was not a clown even at 35, but he played slam final here and there. I doubt Federer could play slam finals at the age of 33-34, let alone 35.

sexybeast
02-02-2012, 03:30 PM
Nadal and Federer both will be retired by 2016.
Murray will be out of top 20 no doubt, Djokovic will be around top 10-20. These dudes are too physical to be top players for four more years.

Who is going to dominate tennis then? Tomic? Dimitrov? Harrison?

Cmon, they are almost 20 and nowhere near as good as Djokovic, Federer and Nadal were at their age. This is not a great generation coming up, no one is going to fill the gap.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-02-2012, 03:31 PM
Who is going to dominate tennis then? Tomic? Dimitrov? Harrison?

Cmon, they are almost 20 and nowhere near as good as Djokovic, Federer and Nadal were at their age. This is not a great generation coming up, no one is going to fill the gap.

I have no idea who will dominate, I admit it. But it's obvious his name won't be Federer or Murray.
I don't understand people. Even if top 4 looks so strong today, you cannot expect them to do it 4 years later. I understand you want these 4 to dominate until the age of 40, but it's the nature
of sports.

To be honest I would enjoy a 1998-2001 type of era in the coming years. Lots of changes on the top, with plenty of good players. Of course, outside of Tomic I cannot see anybody with a potential for that.

BroTree123
02-02-2012, 03:34 PM
I thought the World is going to end this year?

Mystique
02-02-2012, 03:34 PM
I think Murray will have the best longevity of him, Nole, and Rafa.

Federer at 35 might not be top 5, but top 10-20 for sure and always a threat for winning a slam.

Rafa at age 30, sadly, will probably still be fighting, but surely not even he can sustain his level of play and style of play for another 4 years? People have been predicting his decline since 05. He'll still be a threat at RG until he retires, but tough to see him being top 5 at age 30.

As for Djokovic, he has not as many miles on his body as Nadal has, but his style I think is just as if not more demanding than Rafa's. At 28-29, he'll still be competitive, sure. Top 5 possibly, top 10 surely, top 15 at worst barring major injury.

I agree. And add to that the fact that Murray would still have won nothing important at 29:devil: So motivation will be as good as now. Not that it may help him;)

Ok, just kidding. I cant see Federer or Nadal playing to 2016. My prediction is that Federer will retire in 2014 and Nadal in 2015. But if they are still around, I guess they will both be ranked around 10-15. Djokovic said last year that he would be very happy to do a Borg and call it a career around 27 if he can have one anywhere near as good of that of the Swede. So who knows :shrug:

But if the hypothetical scenario that these guys play to their 30s materialises, I would very much love to see the tards and Fed Haters then :wavey:

Nixer
02-02-2012, 03:43 PM
I think in 2016 Federer will be higher in ATP Champions Tour rankings than the rest in ATP tour

Sapeod
02-02-2012, 04:50 PM
Definitely Murray. His game isn't tough on the body and he can become far more aggressive if it starts to be. He'll still be in the top 10 in 2016, perhaps even in the top 4 still.

Djokovic's body won't last very long. Nadal's won't either. They'll still be around somewhere, I guess.

Federer will still be around, I think, just very low down the rankings.

EddieNero
02-02-2012, 05:16 PM
Well, I honestly don't believe Federer would stand being out of the Top 5.
Roger will probably retire when he realizes he can't compete in slams anymore, because now Fed occupies the third place in the line of slam contenders.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-02-2012, 05:18 PM
Definitely Murray. His game isn't tough on the body and he can become far more aggressive if it starts to be. He'll still be in the top 10 in 2016, perhaps even in the top 4 still.

Djokovic's body won't last very long. Nadal's won't either. They'll still be around somewhere, I guess.

Federer will still be around, I think, just very low down the rankings.

It has always been obvious that you do not know anything about this sport, but it's surprising that you don't know anything about your boy either.
Murray's game is painfully physical. He depends on his actual form too much. Same with Djokovic. Anytime Murray hits a forehand, it always seems like his body will break into two halves because of the effort. Still, it has no depth at all. He is obviously peaking right now, and still only number 4 in the world. He won't be in the top 10 in 2016.

Flying Fox
02-02-2012, 05:53 PM
At a guess I'd say Murray. I think Federer will retire in about two years, and Nadal has said he won't play past 30. Djokovic will be around, but not the tennis machine we're seeing at the moment.

stanch
02-02-2012, 06:27 PM
Definitely Murray. His game isn't tough on the body and he can become far more aggressive if it starts to be. He'll still be in the top 10 in 2016, perhaps even in the top 4 still.

Djokovic's body won't last very long. Nadal's won't either. They'll still be around somewhere, I guess.

Federer will still be around, I think, just very low down the rankings.


Yeah, very objective from you, as always. :rolleyes:

navy75
02-02-2012, 06:32 PM
I agree that in around five years time we'll go back to how things were several years ago, with rotating champions and a variety of good players (that obviously won't come close to this quality of play). The under 25s on here who have played little to no tennis themselves simply can't envision how good that they have it right now, as even the top players from former generations are stunned at what we're seeing. The athleticism, shot making, non-choking (generally), and consistency of the top four is beyond incredible.

Gun to my head, I'd pick Djokovic of the options above. I believe that he'll stay hungry.

mooncreek
02-02-2012, 09:06 PM
I would think the highest ranked of the four is the one who will still have the most to achieve. Even if you assume Murray eventually wins that GS title, he will likely have the most to still strive for. The question will be how hungry is Djokovic the next four years - other than the French Open and Olympics gold, what is there?

If Federer is still playing (and I doubt he will be), he will only be pushing in 4-6 tournaments and I don't see Nadal holding up physically. That the poll results have it clearly between Djokovic and Murray makes sense.

syc23
02-02-2012, 09:21 PM
Can't see Djokovic being no.1 come 2016. Same goes for Murray but both will adapt their games and remain in the top 10. Murray is more versatile and may evolve into a S&V to shorten the points as he is a good volleyer. Novak is a grinder through and through so not sure how he will adapt but he'll become more injury prone through time.

misty1
02-02-2012, 09:36 PM
novak's style is very hard on the body. I can see him suffering like nadal has. He'll still be top 10 but in another couple of years he's going to start to wear down

i dont really think roger will be around in 2016..neither will nadal

murray will be ranked lower than djokovic but still pretty high

Sapeod
02-02-2012, 10:03 PM
It has always been obvious that you do not know anything about this sport
You're telling me this?
but it's surprising that you don't know anything about your boy either.
Oh please, don't make me laugh
Murray's game is painfully physical. He depends on his actual form too much. Same with Djokovic. Anytime Murray hits a forehand, it always seems like his body will break into two halves because of the effort. Still, it has no depth at all. He is obviously peaking right now, and still only number 4 in the world. He won't be in the top 10 in 2016.
You obviously have never seen Murray play if this is the way you think he is. Every time he hits a forehand, you say? No, you're wrong. Painfully wrong, in fact. Nevermind, it's not as if it's the first you've been wrong, or the last time.

However, if his body does start to hurt, he can just switch to a more aggressive style of play, which he is very capable of doing.
Yeah, very objective from you, as always. :rolleyes:
Certainly. I'm just saying what I think, and according to quite a number of posts, what others seem to think too. I like how you single out my post, yet don't bring up others who share the same opinion.

What's wrong with saying Murray will last the longest? Have you seen Djokovic play? He puts far more stress on his body than Andy does. Same goes for Nadal. Federer will be far too old to be above Andy in 2016, so that leaves Andy as the highest ranked of the Big 4 then. What's wrong with that? Or are you just randomly replying to me with a sarcastic remark because it's me? How nice of you.

sexybeast
02-02-2012, 10:46 PM
I must say I am surprised so many of you think Federer will retire in 2 years, are we seeing any signs of this retirement at the moment? I certanly dont see it, he is both healthy and motivated, he is also having fun and has told interviewers he wants to play the next generation and that he wants to play well into his mid 30s. In fact I cant say I have seen any 30+ play at Federer's level in my lifetime.

Sauletekis
02-02-2012, 10:48 PM
Federer won't play in 2016, for sure. Nadal and even Nole will be almost retired players. Maybe they will play until 2017. Murray style of play will make him last longuer than the others, so I will choose him. But he will remain slamless, IMO. He will be a Nalbandian.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-02-2012, 10:49 PM
I cant say I have seen any 30+ play at Federer's level in my lifetime.

Agassi. He played on an incredibly high level after 30.

emotion
02-02-2012, 10:52 PM
Could possibly be Federer, I can see him still being top 20 at 34, but bet he'll retire. Other 3 all have grinding styles, Nadal will be gone for sure, Murray and Djokovic will be close but Murray is less flexible and runs more so I'd go with Djokovic, who is the best currently anyways.

Sauletekis
02-02-2012, 10:56 PM
Could possibly be Federer, I can see him still being top 20 at 34, but bet he'll retire. Other 3 all have grinding styles, Nadal will be gone for sure, Murray and Djokovic will be close but Murray is less flexible and runs more so I'd go with Djokovic, who is the best currently anyways.

2016 Fed will have 35.

stanch
02-02-2012, 11:24 PM
Certainly. I'm just saying what I think, and according to quite a number of posts, what others seem to think too. I like how you single out my post, yet don't bring up others who share the same opinion.

What's wrong with saying Murray will last the longest? Have you seen Djokovic play? He puts far more stress on his body than Andy does. Same goes for Nadal. Federer will be far too old to be above Andy in 2016, so that leaves Andy as the highest ranked of the Big 4 then. What's wrong with that? Or are you just randomly replying to me with a sarcastic remark because it's me? How nice of you.

I like your posts. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I do like Andy and I do think he'll be up there somewhere, around TOP 10 - 15, but still below Novak, despite Novak's tennis being more physically demanding than Andy's. I think Rafa and Roger will be retired by then.

Anyway, the thing is - I like how all of your predictions (at least most of them) turn out to be wrong. I mean, you believe Murray is the best player out there and that it's just a matter of time he wins a GS and starts dominating the Tour. It's been going on for like last three years. Although that's fine, supporting your favorite player and hoping for the best is OK but you need to be more objective. Current standings don't allow to underestimate Djokovic and Nadal and say Murray is better than the two of them. 'Cause he's not. Maybe one day...

Also, you don't have to like them (Rafa and Nole) but you must admit they're way better than the rest. I don't like Fed but, of course, I'll always say he's the GOAT in achievements and probably the most talented guy ever to play the game.

One more thing, you seem to be way too quarrelsome for someone of your age. Take it easy sometimes, you make people dislike Andy with your posts. But - what the heck - it may just be my impression...

Anyway... :) :wavey: :)

MatchFederer
02-02-2012, 11:59 PM
Murray's game is physically extremely demanding, his whole manner of movement relies on supreme energy and very jarring and sudden stops and starts, with immediate push offs from one direction to another. He doesn't have the ease and elasticity of movement of Djokovic and I don't think his style lends itself to longevity at all.

MatchFederer
02-03-2012, 12:00 AM
The Serbians are crawling out of the woodwork.

Mjau!
02-03-2012, 12:15 AM
Which top 4 is going to be ranked highest in 2016?

The #1?

sexybeast
02-03-2012, 12:40 AM
Agassi. He played on an incredibly high level after 30.

Federer at 30 is atleast as good as Agassi at 30, Federer would also beat Clement in the AO final this year if he got such an oppurtunity.

hisham70
02-03-2012, 04:11 AM
World ends on Dec 21, 2012.

Asadinator
02-03-2012, 05:28 AM
Murray's game is physically extremely demanding, his whole manner of movement relies on supreme energy and very jarring and sudden stops and starts, with immediate push offs from one direction to another. He doesn't have the ease and elasticity of movement of Djokovic and I don't think his style lends itself to longevity at all.

Yes, Murray is the ultimate pusher, his game is just to "out-consistency" his opponents and against strong opposition he has to do a LOT of running.

azure
02-03-2012, 05:45 AM
No chance for Fedal. So it's between Murray and Nole. I'm leaning more towards Murray, maybe it's only because he hasn't won a slam yet, so I see him peaking later. Who knows.