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Who is the better world #1 ? : Nadal vs Djokovic

paseo
02-01-2012, 04:06 PM
I'm not talking about peak game vs peak game, or that kind of stuff. I'm talking about which one is/was the better ambassador or icon for tennis. Which one made you prouder to say "That guy is the world #1 of my beloved sport". Which one is/was more worthy of that position at the top? Okay. Let's start.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2010/07/05/1225887/805003-rafael-nadal.jpg VS http://pic.blackberryseeker.com/bb/wallpapers/upPics/201009/18/Novak-Djokovic-5.jpg


Off court Persona
Nadal always try to present himself as an underdog fighting against the odds. While this can paint him as a humble champion, it also feels kind of forced. How can he not be the favorite? He's the world #1 after all. Although to be fair, he was always like that even before he became #1. Nadal is very good at interviews despite his busted english.
Djokovic discarded his cocky attitude and toned down his joker behavior. He loves being the crowd favorite, up to the point that he tries too hard. Other than that, just like Nadal, he's very good at interviews. Maybe better, even. He's a confident #1. Knows he's the best, and it shows. To me, this is how the world #1 should be. Confident, borderline arrogant. If you're the best, be proud of it. Return winner from Djokovic.

Nadal 0-15 Djokovic.


On court Persona
Both are very emotional on court. Nadal jumping and vamosing, Djokovic screaming and chest-thumping. Some find it endearing, some find it annoying. Take your pick. Both are super competitive and do anything for the win, even resorting to gamesmanship and bending the rules, unfortunately. This is where both failed in the eyes of many fans. Unforced error from both.

Nadal 15-30 Djokovic.


Game-style
Nadal is a defensive baseliner with a great attacking shot. He plays consistent tennis and lives from his opponent mistakes, most of the times. But when he goes on the attack with his FH, it's devastating. And being a defensive baseliner, his defensive game is supreme. Legendary, even. The ultra-spin FH is his signature.
Djokovic is more of a balanced baseliner. Great defense, great offense, good FH, good BH. At a glance, he has a complete baseline game with nothing that really stands out. But if you look closely, Djokovic has an uncanny ability to take the rally back to neutral from a very disadvantageous situation. This is what made him better.
Both players play the game that are very suited for todays conditions. Some may not like it, but hey, they're winning. and it seems like a lot of fans loves it. Winner for both guys.

Nadal 30-40 Djokovic.

Popularity
No contest here. Nadal is more popular. Granted a lot of his popularity came from when he was #2 behind Federer. Everybody that know Federer, know Nadal as Federer's nemesis. And we all know how popular Federer is. So there you go. Nadal hits a 1-2 combo.

Nadal 40-40 Djokovic.

Domination
While Nadal's reign in 2008 and 2010 were great, Djokovic's 2011 reign was better. Djokovic showed domination that can only be rivaled by the mighty Federer. There's almost no uncertainty when Djokovic is playing. He will win. Djokovic with a screamer down the line.

Nadal 40-A Djokovic.

Past Accomplishments
by Mountaindewslave

The last time he was #1, Nadal already put himself in the legendary position in tennis. 9 slams and career golden slam was an intimidating resume. Just like a general, the more shiny medals on him, the better. No denying that Djokovic's accomplishments are great, but they're still a long way away from Nadal's. A passing FH from Nadal, and we're back to deuce.

Nadal 40-40 Djokovic.


There you go. Djokovic has the advantage. What do you think guys? Have anything to add for Nadal so he can get back to deuce? Or for Djokovic so he can take the game? Or you don't agree and want to change the score all together? Do it, then! Let's go!

Nole Rules
02-01-2012, 04:22 PM
Djoker obviously.

Jovard
02-01-2012, 04:23 PM
Djokovic GSM!

Flying Fox
02-01-2012, 04:24 PM
Rafa obviously

paseo
02-01-2012, 11:29 PM
Djokovic is winning.

Looner
02-01-2012, 11:46 PM
Is this a joke thread? I mean it's obvious and it is not the guy that has won the French 6 times but can barely say a word to the French crowd.

Fedfanforever
02-01-2012, 11:55 PM
Clearly Djokovic. Better results at #1 and can actually admit that he is the favorite in a match.

BroTree123
02-02-2012, 12:00 AM
:facepalm:

emotion
02-02-2012, 12:08 AM
Djokovic in all categories listed. Nadal has more fans, yeah, but a LOT more people hate him

Johnny Groove
02-02-2012, 12:20 AM
Bandwagons.

Ask this question back in 08 and see what answer you get.

stewietennis
02-02-2012, 12:23 AM
Those categories are rather... arbitrary

BroTree123
02-02-2012, 12:24 AM
Bandwagons.

Ask this question back in 08 and see what answer you get.

That's because Nole wasn't No.1 yet in 08 :facepalm:.

Fedfanforever
02-02-2012, 12:37 AM
Ask this question back in 08 and see what answer you get.
:help::help::help:

Gabe32
02-02-2012, 12:45 AM
Is this a joke thread? I mean it's obvious and it is not the guy that has won the French 6 times but can barely say a word to the French crowd.

How is that relevant at all? The guy is from Spain and is bilingual. His job is to play tennis, not learn how to speak the language of every country he plays tennis in.

rinnegan
02-02-2012, 12:49 AM
Personality-wise, it's Nole. He's very nice on Twitter. He sends his messages in different languages and shares pictures that how much he loves his life, his family, and his friends. He's very friendly towards other players and always has a hug to give them.

rinnegan
02-02-2012, 12:52 AM
How is that relevant at all? The guy is from Spain and is bilingual. His job is to play tennis, not learn how to speak the language of every country he plays tennis in.

Considering that he has won that tournament six times, he could give a little more effort in reaching out to the crowd. :shrug:

stewietennis
02-02-2012, 12:59 AM
Is this a joke thread? I mean it's obvious and it is not the guy that has won the French 6 times but can barely say a word to the French crowd.

Dude, the man has enough trouble speaking in english. Why throw another language into the mix. Nadal has bigger problems to worry about.

Looner
02-02-2012, 01:37 AM
How is that relevant at all? The guy is from Spain and is bilingual. His job is to play tennis, not learn how to speak the language of every country he plays tennis in.


Let me tell how it's relevant. As the world No.1 in tennis, a global sport btw, you have to make an effort to represent the sport. If you can't be arsed to learn some French after winning that tournament so many times, I find it hard to see why someone would be puzzled as to why Nadull is not (that) popular in France.

Referring to the languages, I meant is that Djoko, for one, can speak more languages. As the leading figure of sport he's also funny and nice to be around with. Sure, some say Nadull is humble, etc. but then isn't that boring?

Djokovic also does seem to communicate, and make a genuine effort in doing so, with the fans a lot more than Nadull. He is a lot better in this regard than Fed as well though I do believe Fed is not the most proficient when it comes to technology.

paseo
02-02-2012, 01:44 AM
Those categories are rather... arbitrary

You're welcome to add another one and update the score.

MIMIC
02-02-2012, 01:46 AM
Djokovic just said that he is confident about making his first RG final this year. Nadal would never say something like that (even after having won the damn event a jillion times :lol:)

Advantage, Djokovic.

swebright
02-02-2012, 01:50 AM
Roger is best number #1. Very dominent. Novak is behind him.
Rafa is GOAT # 2.

ballbasher101
02-02-2012, 02:45 AM
It is not even close. The Djoker by far. Nadal is a perfect number 2 though ;). The Djoker is just a better tennis player and ambassador. I liked his joker side when he was younger. Those imitations just killed me :superlol:. Some players and fans did not like it though. I guess some people do not have a lighter side to them.

Knightmace
02-02-2012, 02:48 AM
Well this just proves some people can never be pleased, if a player says hes confident in making the final and doesn't, he'll get bashed and ridiculed. If a player says he is the underdog and wins he'll get bashed too.

Fucking pathetic

ballbasher101
02-02-2012, 02:51 AM
Well this just proves some people can never be pleased, if a player says hes confident in making the final and doesn't, he'll get bashed and ridiculed. If a player says he is the underdog and wins he'll get bashed too.

Fucking pathetic


A number 1 should should be confident, non of this fake humble BS Nadal does.

Gabe32
02-02-2012, 04:05 AM
Stop with this language argument, it is absolutely ridiculous.

Tennis players should study tennis. I don't care if Fed/Djokovic/Nadal know English, Italian, Spanish, French or any other language. Maybe it is a matter of intelligence. What if the #1 player was simply dumb, would you fault him for not learning the language of the slam he was best at?? :confused: I do not require that my favorite player know calculus.

A tennis player should learn TENNIS. As long as they are respectful, don't cheat and play tennis well, I have no problem with them. I think it is a plus that Federer speaks so many languages, but honestly who the hell cares. They are tennis players, not scholars.

Edit: Also, I agree with the poster who said the rules of this thread are arbitrary. Is any Djokovic fan going to vote for Nadal (or the other way around)? You may as well make the poll, "Who do you like more/find less annoying?"

rickcastle
02-02-2012, 04:16 AM
^ A businessman should study BUSINESS but if he's entertaining colleagues or associates from another country, he should at least know how to converse with them in the most basic of terms. Hi, hello, good morning, how are you, are you fine - no one is saying Nadal has to master all the languages but just some basic terms here and there. When a singer goes to a concert in another country, they try their best to address the people in their own language. It just makes the people appreciate you better when they know you're putting in the effort when you don't have to.

Gabe32
02-02-2012, 04:19 AM
Novak does not speak French ... will it be disrespectful of him to win the French Open this coming year? Is that why he has not won it?

Ibracadabra
02-02-2012, 04:22 AM
The only thing nadal has in his favour is media popularity, and if novak keeps going the way he is, he will overtake kneedull in popularity and slam count.

Mountaindewslave
02-02-2012, 04:42 AM
this is strange. Djokovic owns the poll and the only answer I can make for it is that the people on this website bandwagon a lot.

I would say that Nadal clearly is more popular with not only the fans (he has 9million facebook fans vs. Djokovic's like 1-2 m?_) but also with the other players. many other tennis players say how much they respect Nadal as not only a player but as a person. less often do players seem to respect and/or like Novak as a person.

as far as personality and integrity I would certainly say Nadal. you all point out the fact that he has acted 'fake humbly' when #1 but a great ambassador is always modest and does not brag.

Nadal has more fame and more records and more great matches and let's be honest even when Nadal isn't #1 he is probably the player the fans and tennis community are keeping an eye on the most.

his exciting game, or maybe I should say, style of intense athleticism and frequent "vamos's" draws in new tennis fans out of otherwise uninterested people.

i think where it really falls is, which #1 gained the most attention during #1 and were interesting enough to draw in more fans to the sport? of course this isn't a fullproof science or math, but it's quite clear that at #1 (and even today) Nadal is a bigger draw for the average joe. he is a better player at #1 because his face and persona and style make the sport overall more popular and more interesting to watch.

of course this question is fully subjective, it's basically asking at the moment who MTFer's prefer, Nadal or Djokovic? I think Nadal is more interesting to watch and has more class and is just one of the greatest and nicest guys to ever play the sport so obviously i choose him. on the other hand Djokovic is very funny at times and certainly has incredible flexibility and recent dominance on tour.

both have reasons why someone would think they are better #1 players. but it's more about favorites than anything else.

historically speaking as of now obviously Nadal is probably the more significant #1 player over Djokovic since he has accomplished more and already is probably one of the most legendary players of all time

GrantOz44
02-02-2012, 04:44 AM
Nole. Personality and the game to go with it.

rickcastle
02-02-2012, 04:45 AM
Novak does not speak French ... will it be disrespectful of him to win the French Open this coming year? Is that why he has not won it?

Who said anything about not deserving? We're just saying who's a better ambassador for the sport. Have you met any ambassadors who do not know how to communicate with the people in the country they're being ambassadors in? IIRC, Djokovic is learning French and several other languages. Also, it has been explained to you already - no one is expecting these players to master the languages, just learn a few basic phrases to address the crowd in a language they understand.

rickcastle
02-02-2012, 04:51 AM
Nadal has more fame and more records and more great matches and let's be honest even when Nadal isn't #1 he is probably the player the fans and tennis community are keeping an eye on the most.

Stay delusional. Not as long as Federer is around.

Gabe32
02-02-2012, 04:52 AM
Who said anything about not deserving? We're just saying who's a better ambassador for the sport. Have you met any ambassadors who do not know how to communicate with the people in the country they're being ambassadors in? IIRC, Djokovic is learning French and several other languages. Also, it has been explained to you already - no one is expecting these players to master the languages, just learn a few basic phrases to address the crowd in a language they understand.

Yeah, who said anything about not deserving it?

And I get your point, I just simply don't accept it. I felt for JMD when the dumb event coordinators wouldn't let the man speak in his native language to his fans and family after the best moment of his life.

And you are right, it is an international sport. Embrace the fact that not everyone speaks your language. They do not have to accommodate anyone.

Mountaindewslave
02-02-2012, 04:53 AM
Stay delusional. Not as long as Federer is around.

I would say at this point both are the main focus. how can Novak Djokovic be a better or more significant #1 in the world when the fans and tennis community appear more interested/focused on what the #2 or #3 accomplish????

it is debatable, obviously with Federer. but Nadal is so much more significant than Djokovic at this point

rickcastle
02-02-2012, 04:54 AM
Yeah, who said anything about not deserving it?

And I get your point, I just simply don't accept it. I felt for JMD when the dumb event coordinators wouldn't let the man speak in his native language to his fans and family. You are right, it is an international sport. Embrace the fact that not everyone speaks your language. They do not have to accommodate anyone.

Wow, why can't you get the difference about speaking the language and just speaking a few phrases? As I have pointed out to you, when singers go to concerts in another countries, they try their best to address the adoring crowds who paid to see them in their language. It endears them to people. You don't need to translate Shakespeare to them in their language, just say some phrases. Are you really too thick to see the difference? :facepalm:

And I agree about JMDP, he should've been allowed to speak in his native tongue. But that is neither here nor there, it's a difference of just addressing the crowd and making an effort to connect with them in their language for a few sentences. It doesn't have to be your whole speech.

rickcastle
02-02-2012, 05:01 AM
I would say at this point both are the main focus. how can Novak Djokovic be a better or more significant #1 in the world when the fans and tennis community appear more interested/focused on what the #2 or #3 accomplish????

it is debatable, obviously with Federer. but Nadal is so much more significant than Djokovic at this point

It's not the most significant, but most worthy and the better ambassador. I do think Djokovic is a better ambassador for the sport as a whole than Nadal, he has a better offcourt and oncourt personality, IMO and his domination has been more commanding than Nadal's so far.

By this reasoning that your "significance" in the sport determines your worthiness of being number 1 then Nadal wasn't a worthy number 1 either because he still can't dethrone Federer's enduring popularity and significance in the sport. Federer still has more Facebook fans, and Nadal has never snatched the ATP Fan Favorite award from Federer even in his most dominant years.

Gabe32
02-02-2012, 05:04 AM
Wow, why can't you get the difference about speaking the language and just speaking a few phrases? As I have pointed out to you, when singers go to concerts in another countries, they try their best to address the adoring crowds who paid to see them in their language. It endears them to people. You don't need to translate Shakespeare to them in their language, just say some phrases. Are you really too thick to see the difference? :facepalm:

And I agree about JMDP, he should've been allowed to speak in his native tongue. But that is neither here nor there, it's a difference of just addressing the crowd and making an effort to connect with them in their language for a few sentences. It doesn't have to be your whole speech.

He speaks a little French! Get off the guys back! He spoke it after he won in 2010. Do you love him now?

Here is an interview:

"Let me ask my question again. You spoke in French to the French crowd. Will you end up being a diplomate?"

RAFAEL NADAL:" No, I’m not very smart with languages, but I have no shame talking in a language which is not mine. I was very shy, but I’m recovering from that. I have no problem with that. At the beginning I spoke very bad English. I could not understand anything, but I have improved.
As for French, I understand French pretty well. I can understand almost everything when they speak slowly, because it sounds like the Spanish and the language we speak in Mallorca, so I can try and speak it even if I speak it badly."

He blatantly said he isn't smart in terms of languages and doesn't enjoy public speaking. But that isn't enough for you! If you spend your life defending the French Open crowds you will go gray pretty early.

rickcastle
02-02-2012, 05:07 AM
He speaks a little French! Get off the guys back! He spoke it after he won in 2010. Do you love him now?

"Let me ask my question again. You spoke in French to the French crowd. Will you end up being a diplomate?"

RAFAEL NADAL:" No, I’m not very smart with languages, but I have no shame talking in a language which is not mine. I was very shy, but I’m recovering from that. I have no problem with that. At the beginning I spoke very bad English. I could not understand anything, but I have improved.
As for French, I understand French pretty well. I can understand almost everything when they speak slowly, because it sounds like the Spanish and the language we speak in Mallorca, so I can try and speak it even if I speak it badly."

He blatantly said he isn't smart in terms of languages and doesn't enjoy public speaking. But that isn't enough for you!


Why should I settle for that when I see other players making more of an effort and doing the whole "ambassador" thing better than him? I'm sorry that he has problems with learning other languages but that's not going to make me discount other players' efforts in reaching out to the crowd. Isn't that what this thread is about? Who's a more worthy number 1, who's the better ambassador? If I see someone like Djokovic who is doing better at being an ambassador in my opinion, I should discount it and just choose Nadal because I feel sorry for him that he has problems with speaking in front of crowds? :lol: I'm sorry if he doesn't like doing it, but that makes him a lesser ambassador in my opinion.

Kat_YYZ
02-02-2012, 05:13 AM
Am I the only one to remember? :confused: Nadal did try 2 or 3 sentences in French
RG 2010
qIoPqNiiNYA

He was probably intimidated by Federer's French in 2011 :p just a 'thank you for your support, see you next year' at around 3:35.
http://youtu.be/szekqAoQglA

Gabe32
02-02-2012, 05:14 AM
Why should I settle for that when I see other players making more of an effort and doing the whole "ambassador" thing better than him? I'm sorry that he has problems with learning other languages but that's not going to make me discount other players' efforts in reaching out to the crowd. Isn't that what this thread is about? Who's a more worthy number 1, who's the better ambassador? If I see someone like Djokovic who is doing better at being an ambassador in my opinion, I should discount it and just choose Nadal because I feel sorry for him that he has problems with speaking in front of crowds? :lol: I'm sorry if he doesn't like doing it, but that makes him a lesser ambassador in my opinion.

Ok. This will be my last post on this topic but ... At first you said that all a player has to do is speak a little bit of the language that is spoken at the slam he is best at (an interesting/unorthodox opinion to start). Then I provide proof that Nadal actually does abide by that entirely invented/nonsensical rule, and then that is not enough for you.

But alas, you are free to think what you want. I like tennis players who just play tennis well, apparently I am in the minority.

Mountaindewslave
02-02-2012, 05:19 AM
It's not the most significant, but most worthy and the better ambassador. I do think Djokovic is a better ambassador for the sport as a whole than Nadal, he has a better offcourt and oncourt personality, IMO and his domination has been more commanding than Nadal's so far.

By this reasoning that your "significance" in the sport determines your worthiness of being number 1 then Nadal wasn't a worthy number 1 either because he still can't dethrone Federer's enduring popularity and significance in the sport. Federer still has more Facebook fans, and Nadal has never snatched the ATP Fan Favorite award from Federer even in his most dominant years.

significance is definitely tied in with your value as an ambassador. a tennis player being significant most likely means they are liked and respected in the community, of which Nadal is one of the most respected in the world.

Nadal has all of the class and integrity anyone could ask for, is very honest and always polite. has great relations with the other players on the tour and with his fans and him being in the game has converted who knows how many more countless people to become fans of the game of tennis.

i just don't see if there is any basis to say that Djokovic was/is a better ambassador at #1 than Nadal except for personal preference. people on here I think are voting based on them preferring Djokovic's style of play but that is a seperate matter

Kat_YYZ
02-02-2012, 05:19 AM
Anyways, this languages debate is irrelevant. Nadal seemed absent to me as #1. Never the favourite, never leading anything. Federer still seemed like the spokesperson. It was his image appearing in the ATP email when you signed up for their newsletter (actually they made it seem like the email came from him). He was organizing Rally for Relief and other things; Nadal always seemed to just be tagging along.

Djokovic is much more able and willing to step into the spotlight, take the lead in things. He's much more open with people. And the confidence? Well, most world number ones in any other sport would have some swagger, so why not?

_maxi
02-02-2012, 05:27 AM
this is strange. Djokovic owns the poll and the only answer I can make for it is that the people on this website bandwagon a lot.

I would say that Nadal clearly is more popular with not only the fans (he has 9million facebook fans vs. Djokovic's like 1-2 m?_) but also with the other players. many other tennis players say how much they respect Nadal as not only a player but as a person. less often do players seem to respect and/or like Novak as a person.

as far as personality and integrity I would certainly say Nadal. you all point out the fact that he has acted 'fake humbly' when #1 but a great ambassador is always modest and does not brag.

Nadal has more fame and more records and more great matches and let's be honest even when Nadal isn't #1 he is probably the player the fans and tennis community are keeping an eye on the most.

his exciting game, or maybe I should say, style of intense athleticism and frequent "vamos's" draws in new tennis fans out of otherwise uninterested people.

i think where it really falls is, which #1 gained the most attention during #1 and were interesting enough to draw in more fans to the sport? of course this isn't a fullproof science or math, but it's quite clear that at #1 (and even today) Nadal is a bigger draw for the average joe. he is a better player at #1 because his face and persona and style make the sport overall more popular and more interesting to watch.

of course this question is fully subjective, it's basically asking at the moment who MTFer's prefer, Nadal or Djokovic? I think Nadal is more interesting to watch and has more class and is just one of the greatest and nicest guys to ever play the sport so obviously i choose him. on the other hand Djokovic is very funny at times and certainly has incredible flexibility and recent dominance on tour.

both have reasons why someone would think they are better #1 players. but it's more about favorites than anything else.

historically speaking as of now obviously Nadal is probably the more significant #1 player over Djokovic since he has accomplished more and already is probably one of the most legendary players of all time
You bought the whole "humble" package. We don't. Nadal is self serving. He always wants more for himself. Every complain he does to the atp is egoist. The two year calendar system, the less tournaments, the less hc, etc. Back in the day he used to grunt and time waste a lot, now nole does it a bit too but I don't blame him, it just puts things even.

Mountaindewslave
02-02-2012, 05:36 AM
You bought the whole "humble" package. We don't. Nadal is self serving. He always wants more for himself. Every complain he does to the atp is egoist. The two year calendar system, the less tournaments, the less hc, etc. Back in the day he used to grunt and time waste a lot, now nole does it a bit too but I don't blame him, it just puts things even.

people bring it up all the time... all the FUCKING TIME.... what I'm asking for is besides some of you preferring Djokovic's game and style of play, what about him makes him a better ambassador of the game or #1?? just don't see it. Djokovic does not have more class or popularity or better respect or anything over Nadal in that regard

_maxi
02-02-2012, 05:43 AM
people bring it up all the time... all the FUCKING TIME.... what I'm asking for is besides some of you preferring Djokovic's game and style of play, what about him makes him a better ambassador of the game or #1?? just don't see it. Djokovic does not have more class or popularity or better respect or anything over Nadal in that regard
You can explain the popularity difference easily. Nadal started winning majors in 2005 and beated Federer the most times they played since 2004. In 2006 and 2007 he was not only winning the FO and the entire clay season but reaching the Wimbledon finals. He was always in the news.

Nole won his first slam in 2008 and he needed three more years to win his second. So I understand that he is not as known as Rafa.

But I fail to see how Rafa is a better ambassador for tennis? what did he do that for example Federer hasn't done it or what were his fights against the ITF and the ATP? all of his fights are self serving.

How can I like a guy that in every interview looks for an excuse to say that he is not favourite. He always has a magic excuse to pretend to be the underdog and send the preassure to his rival. Do you perceive that as humbleness? I don't. I dislike his attitudes, and those of his uncle too.

And YES Djokovic has more class. He is always applauding when his opponent makes a great point, and he is always giving a hug even if he loses and he smiles. He is FAIR. On this AO final, Nadal gave the hand first to the umpire and did not wait for Djokovic to come to the net.. he is everytime more and more of a bad loser.

Roamed
02-02-2012, 06:52 AM
Djokovic is better at promoting himself. However I'd say Rafa is a slightly better role model in terms of how he carries himself as #1.

Mystique
02-02-2012, 07:19 AM
Anyways, this languages debate is irrelevant. Nadal seemed absent to me as #1. Never the favourite, never leading anything. Federer still seemed like the spokesperson. It was his image appearing in the ATP email when you signed up for their newsletter (actually they made it seem like the email came from him). He was organizing Rally for Relief and other things; Nadal always seemed to just be tagging along.

Djokovic is much more able and willing to step into the spotlight, take the lead in things. He's much more open with people. And the confidence? Well, most world number ones in any other sport would have some swagger, so why not?

And this is the truth. Nadal reign at the top was during the time where Federer was still very much in the picture and winning big titles too. Nadal may have gotten the better of him on court but off it, Federer was still the biggest face in tennis.
Now however, with Djokovic shooting himself to prominence, and seeing how Federer has really declined, people talk and see that there is a lot more to tennis.

I dont think Nadal was a great number 1. He was always the self proclaimed underdog, was notorious for his on court gamesmanship and just never seemed to have a huge personality.
Djokovic does however, and he is almost going out of his way in making himself very likable to the public.

paseo
02-02-2012, 07:40 AM
this is strange. Djokovic owns the poll and the only answer I can make for it is that the people on this website bandwagon a lot.

I would say that Nadal clearly is more popular with not only the fans (he has 9million facebook fans vs. Djokovic's like 1-2 m?_) but also with the other players. many other tennis players say how much they respect Nadal as not only a player but as a person. less often do players seem to respect and/or like Novak as a person.

as far as personality and integrity I would certainly say Nadal. you all point out the fact that he has acted 'fake humbly' when #1 but a great ambassador is always modest and does not brag.

Nadal has more fame and more records and more great matches and let's be honest even when Nadal isn't #1 he is probably the player the fans and tennis community are keeping an eye on the most.

his exciting game, or maybe I should say, style of intense athleticism and frequent "vamos's" draws in new tennis fans out of otherwise uninterested people.

i think where it really falls is, which #1 gained the most attention during #1 and were interesting enough to draw in more fans to the sport? of course this isn't a fullproof science or math, but it's quite clear that at #1 (and even today) Nadal is a bigger draw for the average joe. he is a better player at #1 because his face and persona and style make the sport overall more popular and more interesting to watch.

of course this question is fully subjective, it's basically asking at the moment who MTFer's prefer, Nadal or Djokovic? I think Nadal is more interesting to watch and has more class and is just one of the greatest and nicest guys to ever play the sport so obviously i choose him. on the other hand Djokovic is very funny at times and certainly has incredible flexibility and recent dominance on tour.

both have reasons why someone would think they are better #1 players. but it's more about favorites than anything else.

historically speaking as of now obviously Nadal is probably the more significant #1 player over Djokovic since he has accomplished more and already is probably one of the most legendary players of all time

This is good. I'll put this as as one of the categories. Thanks.

Logical
02-02-2012, 08:00 AM
Fake No.1 will loose in rest of the year.:wavey:

paseo
02-02-2012, 08:01 AM
Djokovic is better at promoting himself. However I'd say Rafa is a slightly better role model in terms of how he carries himself as #1.

How is Nadal a better role model? Can you elaborate, please.

Super Djoker
02-02-2012, 08:16 AM
Rafa obviously

Djokovic is proving to be a better world number 1 Won both slams entered as a world number 1 ! Owns the world number 2 ! Nadal a better world number 1 ? Come off it !

Vida
02-02-2012, 08:36 AM
I cant decide on this. equally good probably. nadal has taken the ruthless, most savage beating a no 1 has ever faced with such grace hes at the very top of class, and so is djokovic really, who is probably the best loser out there.

ossie
02-02-2012, 08:45 AM
nadal was nowhere near as consistent, there is really no debate here.

Drugs Ruin Lives
02-02-2012, 11:01 AM
Nadal is a pusher, so Novak.

Right On
02-02-2012, 11:17 AM
Djoker of course, no contest really.

Hian-GOAT
02-02-2012, 12:08 PM
Bandwagons.

Ask this question back in 08 and see what answer you get.

Of course you would have Nadal, but Djoko stept up and showed he is more talented, better, fitter and greater than the Spanish.

And in fact he owns him even in these polls.

Hian-GOAT
02-02-2012, 12:09 PM
Fake No.1 will loose in rest of the year.:wavey:

Someone cannot lose :wavey:

Djokovic > Nadal, that's all.

Branimir
02-02-2012, 12:43 PM
Nadal is far more popular than Nole in the world. Almost everyone I talk about tennis in United States is either Federer's fan or Nadal's fan. The greatness of Federer and Nadal is something that is hard to overcome. Novak will need amazing 2012 to reduce the gap.

But I believe that Nole's character is far more interesting than Nadal's. Nole is funny, sometimes unpredictable, dramatic and very intelligent. Can you picture Nadal on a funny talk show?

freeandlonely
02-02-2012, 01:06 PM
naked ambition def. fake humble

luie
02-02-2012, 02:59 PM
Novak, nadull is just a transitionary #1
Got the # after fed was almost 27 years and
Before Novak entered his prime to steal a
Few cheapen slams , helped by his Spanish
Countrymen.

maki925
02-02-2012, 06:35 PM
Is this a joke thread? I mean it's obvious and it is not the guy that has won the French 6 times but can barely say a word to the French crowd.

Clearly Djokovic. Better results at #1 and can actually admit that he is the favorite in a match.

Djokovic in all categories listed. Nadal has more fans, yeah, but a LOT more people hate him


Enough,everything is said here perfectly! :cool:

Flying Fox
02-02-2012, 06:43 PM
Hmm, I wonder who the Federer fans could be voting for...

Mr. Oracle
02-02-2012, 07:50 PM
MTF can be brutal to all former # 1s. ALMOST convinces me of darwinism. But that stuff is a crock of shit.

Gagsquet
02-02-2012, 07:52 PM
Federer. Easy choice :)

chammer44
02-02-2012, 08:24 PM
Federer. Easy choice :)

Like Federer is mr. personality?

BigJohn
02-03-2012, 02:35 AM
Ridiculous results so far.

Sri
02-03-2012, 02:38 AM
How many weeks has it been for Djokovic?

Hmm.. I don't see Nadal being able to increase his tally. We aren't certain if he can sweep all the clay masters anymore and that's very important to his quest for #1.

Djokovic can afford to lose a few clay titles because he is a favorite on the hard courts.

tripwires
02-03-2012, 02:49 AM
Where's the "neither" option?

hisham70
02-03-2012, 03:41 AM
I can't decide for whom should I vote. You should include Federer in the poll.

hisham70
02-03-2012, 03:43 AM
Hmm, I wonder who the Federer fans could be voting for...

Although I didn't vote, I think most likely it would be Nole. Fed fans hate Nadal.

stewietennis
02-03-2012, 03:48 AM
How many weeks has it been for Djokovic?

Hmm.. I don't see Nadal being able to increase his tally. We aren't certain if he can sweep all the clay masters anymore and that's very important to his quest for #1.

Djokovic can afford to lose a few clay titles because he is a favorite on the hard courts.

Novak is in the low 30s, in terms of weeks at #1. Nadal's total is just over 100.

Evitman
02-03-2012, 03:52 AM
Novak by far. Rafa had never been so dominant like Novak.

Nole Rules
02-03-2012, 05:49 AM
Although I didn't vote, I think most likely it would be Nole. Fed fans hate Nadal.

No shit Sherlock!

scoutreporter
02-03-2012, 07:29 AM
significance is definitely tied in with your value as an ambassador. a tennis player being significant most likely means they are liked and respected in the community, of which Nadal is one of the most respected in the world.

Nadal has all of the class and integrity anyone could ask for, is very honest and always polite. has great relations with the other players on the tour and with his fans and him being in the game has converted who knows how many more countless people to become fans of the game of tennis.

i just don't see if there is any basis to say that Djokovic was/is a better ambassador at #1 than Nadal except for personal preference. people on here I think are voting based on them preferring Djokovic's style of play but that is a seperate matter

And you are saying that you are not voting for Nadal because of personal preference? So , you are allowed to do it? But people voting for Nole are not? Is that what you are trying to say?

Time Violation
02-03-2012, 07:51 AM
Although I didn't vote, I think most likely it would be Nole. Fed fans hate Nadal.

Does that mean they don't enjoy the greatest rivarly ever? I thought Fed and Nadal are BFF :p

bokehlicious
02-03-2012, 08:04 AM
Super Novak :sport: :cool:

paseo
02-04-2012, 03:52 AM
Never thought the poll would be so heavily in Djokovic's favor.

gulzhan
02-04-2012, 03:56 AM
I voted for Nadal because he is my favorite but objectively Djokovic is more impressive No.1-- he wins on all surfaces and beats his biggest opponents with very few exemptions. It wasn't so safe with Rafa.

Branimir
02-04-2012, 03:56 AM
Never thought the poll would be so heavily in Djokovic's favor.

What did you expect?

evilmindbulgaria
02-04-2012, 07:04 AM
Never thought the poll would be so heavily in Djokovic's favor.

Of course, the more popular you are, the more haters you have :devil:

It cracks me up how the Fedtards have joined the fans of Djokovic - a player they DESPISED (along with his family)until about a year ago. Pathetic!

Haters are gonna hate, Rafa will be number one again!

Nole fan
02-04-2012, 07:40 AM
this is strange. Djokovic owns the poll and the only answer I can make for it is that the people on this website bandwagon a lot.

I would say that Nadal clearly is more popular with not only the fans (he has 9million facebook fans vs. Djokovic's like 1-2 m?_) but also with the other players. many other tennis players say how much they respect Nadal as not only a player but as a person. less often do players seem to respect and/or like Novak as a person.

as far as personality and integrity I would certainly say Nadal. you all point out the fact that he has acted 'fake humbly' when #1 but a great ambassador is always modest and does not brag.

Nadal has more fame and more records and more great matches and let's be honest even when Nadal isn't #1 he is probably the player the fans and tennis community are keeping an eye on the most.

his exciting game, or maybe I should say, style of intense athleticism and frequent "vamos's" draws in new tennis fans out of otherwise uninterested people.

i think where it really falls is, which #1 gained the most attention during #1 and were interesting enough to draw in more fans to the sport? of course this isn't a fullproof science or math, but it's quite clear that at #1 (and even today) Nadal is a bigger draw for the average joe. he is a better player at #1 because his face and persona and style make the sport overall more popular and more interesting to watch.

of course this question is fully subjective, it's basically asking at the moment who MTFer's prefer, Nadal or Djokovic? I think Nadal is more interesting to watch and has more class and is just one of the greatest and nicest guys to ever play the sport so obviously i choose him. on the other hand Djokovic is very funny at times and certainly has incredible flexibility and recent dominance on tour.

both have reasons why someone would think they are better #1 players. but it's more about favorites than anything else.

historically speaking as of now obviously Nadal is probably the more significant #1 player over Djokovic since he has accomplished more and already is probably one of the most legendary players of all time

You really live in your own little world. :facepalm:

paseo
02-04-2012, 07:51 AM
What did you expect?

I thought Djokovic would win, but not like this.

Of course, the more popular you are, the more haters you have :devil:

It cracks me up how the Fedtards have joined the fans of Djokovic - a player they DESPISED (along with his family)until about a year ago. Pathetic!

Haters are gonna hate, Rafa will be number one again!

Well to be fair to them, there are only 2 poll options. Maybe they're being objective or, they're voting for the one they dislike less. I'm sure they would vote for Fed if he was in the poll.

Maybe a Fed vs Djokovic would be more competitive.

dabeast
02-04-2012, 08:04 AM
Never thought the poll would be so heavily in Djokovic's favor.

pretty obvious the Fed fans are voting Djoker. By Fedtard logic, anyone but Nadal is the answer. Explains the landslide.