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will federer upset djoker in a slam this year?

FedvsNole
02-01-2012, 03:21 PM
Im almost scared that he won't get the chance as nadal-djoker will be the favorite final by organizers. I see that now they will put nadal and fed in the same half knowing they get fedal semi and then the djoker-nadal 5 hour match.

In 2011, nole's best level ever, roger should have still won 2/3 of their slam matches. The question is do you think he he wins any of the remaining slam semis vs nole if he is even put into that half?

sexybeast
02-01-2012, 03:30 PM
If they play in Wimbledon Federer might just destroy Djokovic in straight sets.

I am not very optimistic about his chances in other venues, but Djokovic might go into a slump like at the end of last season and then Federer will not be forgiving against him, furthermore Federer would win this Australian Open final against the subpar tired Djokovic.

Mystique
02-01-2012, 03:56 PM
I am hoping so.
And also hope that if he does do it, he wags his finger even more vigorously than last year ;)

Nole Rules
02-01-2012, 04:01 PM
I am hoping so.
And also hope that if he does do it, he wags his finger even more vigorously than last year ;)

And then he plays like a mug in the final. :o

Stronga23
02-01-2012, 04:01 PM
I am hoping so.
And also hope that if he does do it, he wags his finger even more vigorously than last year ;)

Roger will beat Novak in the Wimbledon Final and reclaim his grass greatness. :hug::rocker2:

romismak
02-01-2012, 04:04 PM
Wimbledon shold be Roger favorit, he is still better grass-court player, USO should be close, both are great on fast outdoor HC- hope USO will be quicker than last year, but with this Nole-Rafa pls be both in final they will do it slower than last year...
At RG i don´t think Roger will win, last year he was playing and serving out of his mind, Novak was under pressure, didn´t played 4 days and so on, but at RG if they should met i think Nole will beat him.

rickcastle
02-01-2012, 04:05 PM
It's easy to belittle Federer when you look at his match up with Nadal and see how little he can do against a Nadal that keeps losing against Djokovic so he mustn't be able to something about Djokovic too, right? But still, this Federer is the only guy to see match points against Djokovic 2.0 so far. In fact, 2 out of the 3 times they met since the birth of Djokovic 2.0, he was able to see match points and was able to convert it one time. To completely discount Federer's chances against Djokovic would be foolish.

If they meet in Roland Garros, I'd call 50/50. In Wimbledon 60/40 in favor of Federer. In US Open 60/40 in favor of Djokovic. This is the most interesting match up in the top 4 so far because it's the most unpredictable.

Stronga23
02-01-2012, 04:06 PM
Fed vs Djoker is the one match out of the Top 4 I want to see.

FedvsNole
02-01-2012, 04:24 PM
It's easy to belittle Federer when you look at his match up with Nadal and see how little he can do against a Nadal that keeps losing against Djokovic so he mustn't be able to something about Djokovic too, right? But still, this Federer is the only guy to see match points against Djokovic 2.0 so far. In fact, 2 out of the 3 times they met since the birth of Djokovic 2.0, he was able to see match points and was able to convert it one time. To completely discount Federer's chances against Djokovic would be foolish.

If they meet in Roland Garros, I'd call 50/50. In Wimbledon 60/40 in favor of Federer. In US Open 60/40 in favor of Djokovic. This is the most interesting match up in the top 4 so far because it's the most unpredictable.

I dunno if slow wimbledon which is almost like a clay court in at the baseline when the semi's are played will benefit fed that much. If they met in week 1 or when grass was grass it would be obviously fed the favorite. Would like to see this match for sure. I like to think us open is still 50/50 i mean fed was 1 point away last two years but lets see. I feel RG 2012 with fed slowing down endurance wise will be the most difficult to win again vs the endurance djoker has now. Novak will be favored 70/30 djoker in my opinion plus he wants to win it this year for djoker but pressure might be way high this year and he may faulter but he'll want revenge for last years loss. Roger will be underdog and usually thrives in that roll. My luck fed will end up in rafa half although you'd think they'd want that rematch from 2011 so fed may be in noles half.

Johnbert
02-01-2012, 05:05 PM
really looking forward to another match between them :) it's time for a 1st match at wimbledon. a shame roger throw the 2-set-lead away against tsonga last year...

SetSampras
02-01-2012, 05:10 PM
Doubt it. Djoker played pretty lousy in that match at the French Open. He is going to be going hard for RG this year since its the only slam he needs now. Wimbeldon, I doubt Fed even makes it that far since his grass game has been declining ever since 2007 and its been pretty bad these past 2-3 years. USO is probably Fed's big chance but thats no guarantees either since Djoker has beaten him there the last 2 years in a row.

Only players I see beating Djoker this year is Murray and to a lesser extent Nadal. Though I think both could get a slam win over Djoker in one of the next 3 slams

piksi
02-01-2012, 05:10 PM
Roger will beat Novak in the Wimbledon Final and reclaim his grass greatness. :hug::rocker2:

not a chance because he won't beat Nadal in the SF. Federer can beat Novak in a SF. Chances of playing a final are close to 0%

FedvsNole
02-01-2012, 05:25 PM
not a chance because he won't beat Nadal in the SF. Federer can beat Novak in a SF. Chances of playing a final are close to 0%


Tactically i think fed played nadal the first set an a half well. That's what he just needs to keep doing. Annacone im sure picked up that fed nearly won every point he approached on nadal's backhand. Besides, this surface was so slower than ever it has been to play on forget that they played on a very cool low 60s degree night. Fed did well at WTF in london because of the faster court and low bounce which he will get at wimbledon and us open provided they aren't slowed down anymore. I still think if they meet at wimbledon and us open the court will be much more rewarding to fed in terms of quick points and nadal's topspin being greatly reduced.

That being said fed will have more chances that doesn't mean nadal sitll won't win. It's just that many of those ridiculous shots nadal got back on that slow ass plexicushion would be outright winners on grass or us open hard court.

I wouldn't hold your breath until fed actually wins othewrsie nadal is the obvious favorite every time.

LawrenceOfTennis
02-01-2012, 05:27 PM
Will Djokovic eat pizza after the 2nd round at Wimbledon?

munZe konZa
02-01-2012, 05:29 PM
He won't upset him but he may cheat again along with organizers

Roamed
02-01-2012, 05:30 PM
He'll probably get close at least once. He is one year older though. These things get harder as time goes by.


He won't upset him but he may cheat again along with organizers

:awww:

guichard
02-01-2012, 05:39 PM
no, he won't

Broskie91
02-01-2012, 05:57 PM
two words for you.....NO WAY

Fed will never beat rafa or djoko ever again. bahaha

fsoica
02-01-2012, 06:28 PM
federer will beat nadal in a slam this year. period. from then on everything is possible vs the djoker

Yolita
02-01-2012, 07:22 PM
H2H records since Novak 2.0 showed up:

Novak-Rafa 7-0
Rafa-Roger 4-1
Novak-Roger 4-1

Roger's chances against Rafa and Novak are not great at this point in time. The media narrative, not surprisingly, hypes Roger's chances against Novak more than numbers warrant.

Of course anything could happen, nothing's written in stone. But Federer upsetting Novak in a slam is a tad unlikely. I would love it if they met, though. They play very entertaining matches. :)

Branimir
02-01-2012, 07:30 PM
Djokovic vs Fedal 11-1 :o

tektonac
02-01-2012, 07:33 PM
he will, most likely with some graceful remark during his presser after a lost match.

ivankg
02-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Djokovic vs Fedal 11-1 :o

Didn`t cross my mind to sum this H2H, but looking at this :worship:

LoveFifteen
02-01-2012, 08:10 PM
federer will beat nadal in a slam this year. period.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qaPK1oL1MWc/TZdbqRCYQYI/AAAAAAAABfw/44XEJgwfCZo/s1600/2sb2yok.jpg.gif

r2473
02-01-2012, 08:15 PM
Im almost scared that he won't get the chance as nadal-djoker will be the favorite final by organizers. I see that now they will put nadal and fed in the same half knowing they get fedal semi and then the djoker-nadal 5 hour match.

This is awesome. We had Fed-Djoko semis for XX slams in a row. The draws were all rigged, etc.

We now have 1 slam in a row with a Fed-nadal semi, and now the draws are rigged the other way.

The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they always explain everything (no matter what).

Look, when we get a draw that is not set up for #1 to meet either #3 or #4 in the semis, then you might have something and I'd have to concede that the draws are most definitely rigged.

stewietennis
02-01-2012, 08:29 PM
After the epic Djokovic-Murray Semi Final, as well as a the above average Federer-Nadal Semi Final, alongside the epic Djokovic-Nadal Final - the other majors may rig their draws so Murray falls in Novak's half, and Fed falls in Rafa's half, although I really wouldn't like it that way. I think a Roger-Novak Semi would be exciting, basing it off last year's results.

MIMIC
02-01-2012, 08:48 PM
Djokovic vs Fedal 11-1 :o

:spit: :rocker2:

ivankg
02-01-2012, 08:53 PM
I would like to see Djokovic-Federer finals but it looks unlikely Federer beats Nadal in any semifinal.
Due to this bed matchups it seems that only if Fed was No2 year ago and Nadal No3 (in the begining of Djokovics era), several consecutive draws with Nadal in Nole half would secure Fed on No2 for a long time even with current form of Fed and Nadal :)

Fedfanforever
02-02-2012, 12:07 AM
And then he plays like a mug in the final. :o
Sadly this will probably happen. :sobbing::sobbing::sobbing:

BroTree123
02-02-2012, 12:17 AM
As long as he doesn't face Rafa again :o. Sadly the truth is revealed.

zcess81
02-02-2012, 12:21 AM
The moment Roger beats Nole in a grand slam will be the moment Rafa wins his 11th slam.

rickcastle
02-02-2012, 02:07 AM
H2H records since Novak 2.0 showed up:

Novak-Rafa 7-0
Rafa-Roger 4-1
Novak-Roger 4-1

Roger's chances against Rafa and Novak are not great at this point in time. The media narrative, not surprisingly, hypes Roger's chances against Novak more than numbers warrant.

Of course anything could happen, nothing's written in stone. But Federer upsetting Novak in a slam is a tad unlikely. I would love it if they met, though. They play very entertaining matches. :)

In slams with Djokovic-Federer, it's 2-1. And in one of Federer's losses, he saw match points against Djokovic on his own serve and it could have easily gone either way. It's ridiculous to downplay Federer's chances against Djokovic. They are not hyping up Federer's chances, the numbers in slams where it really counts more than warrants it. When Djokovic was down 2-0 in that USO, were Djokovic fans really that confident that Djokovic still can win it? Or when Federer has 2 match points serving for the win in the 5th, how many Djokovic fans were still thinking he can win it? Federer had Djokovic in the ropes in that match and Djokovic didn't pull ahead til the very end, to look back and simply discount it as a clinical win for Djokovic is stupid.

TennisGrandSlam
02-02-2012, 03:34 AM
No, Fed and Rafa are always in the same half :devil:

Evitman
02-02-2012, 05:47 AM
What do you guys mean by "upset", huh? Apart from AO, Roger is always the favorite against Djoker.

Mae
02-02-2012, 07:13 AM
No, Fed and Rafa are always in the same half :devil:

Well rankings can change so they wouldn't be in the same half.

manadrainer
02-02-2012, 07:22 AM
The moment Roger beats Nole in a grand slam will be the moment Rafa wins his 11th slam.

This.

Mystique
02-02-2012, 07:23 AM
What do you guys mean by "upset", huh? Apart from AO, Roger is always the favorite against Djoker.

:rolls:

nalbyfan
02-03-2012, 01:31 PM
Only if Nole is out of form or injured like in Master 2011

Yolita
02-03-2012, 10:09 PM
In slams with Djokovic-Federer, it's 2-1. And in one of Federer's losses, he saw match points against Djokovic on his own serve and it could have easily gone either way. It's ridiculous to downplay Federer's chances against Djokovic. They are not hyping up Federer's chances, the numbers in slams where it really counts more than warrants it. When Djokovic was down 2-0 in that USO, were Djokovic fans really that confident that Djokovic still can win it? Or when Federer has 2 match points serving for the win in the 5th, how many Djokovic fans were still thinking he can win it? Federer had Djokovic in the ropes in that match and Djokovic didn't pull ahead til the very end, to look back and simply discount it as a clinical win for Djokovic is stupid.

Well, Roger won his last slam in 2010, 2 years ago. In the last 2 years, Roger and Novak have played 4 Grand Slam matches. The H2H, when it counts, is 3-1 Novak. That's 75%. Tight matches? All of them, except that AO 2011, which was a straight set win for Novak. Of course Federer can upset Novak, but his chances are not great, that's all I'm saying.

After seeing Djoko's matches against Murray and Rafa in Australia, I would rate Roger's chances of upsetting Nole in a Grand Slam even lower. Remember that "almost" doesn't count. And when one player keeps getting lucky and winning all the tight matches, one should start revising the hypothesis that it's luck. Maybe some skill is involved? Plus heart? Grit? Passion? Balls? Just a thought. :devil:

LawrenceOfTennis
02-03-2012, 10:18 PM
Never again. Not even in Wimbledon. At this stage of tennis today, seems like does not matter at all where you like to play if you play these guys. Federer already has now a mental block vs Djokovic I'm pretty sure.
Still, his best chance is the USO in my opinion.

Certinfy
02-03-2012, 10:23 PM
No. I doubt Federer will even make it that far to play him in at least another GS this year.

Sunset of Age
02-03-2012, 11:09 PM
C'mon, it's sooo good to read that certain folks still seem to think that Fed, 30+-years of age, in decline since 2007, while still #3 on the ATP-ranking list, might well be able to continue to be a force to reckon with. :D

A genuine compliment to the guy, if anything, I gather. :wavey:
And oh man, I will :drool: :drool: :drool: if he indeed manages to do so...

bamboozle
02-03-2012, 11:20 PM
Yes, he will.

FedvsNole
02-04-2012, 12:58 AM
No. I doubt Federer will even make it that far to play him in at least another GS this year.

This does not make any sense. Fed has been in 5 of the last 6 semi's at grandslams and you make it sound like thats not going to happen anymore. Fed usually finds his way into djokers half. So if fed makes it to a few more semis this year , which he will, he will have a shot to play djoker. And wimbledon is his best chance to beat djoker. Movement of djoker is neutralized and fed's slice becomes very potent on that surface. He has at least as good of a chance if not better than beating him at the us open which he has came match points both years to winning.

leng jai
02-04-2012, 01:18 AM
No. I doubt Federer will even make it that far to play him in at least another GS this year.

Sound logic here based on previous slam performances.

If Fedgimp loses to Nole on grass he should hand back all his Wimbledon trophies.

ballbasher101
02-04-2012, 01:43 AM
The moment Roger beats Nole in a grand slam will be the moment Rafa wins his 11th slam.


You could not have said it any better. Nadal almost received another gift from Federer at the US open last year. I suspect Federer is delusional enough to think that he can still beat Nadal in a major. If he is not delusional then one has to conclude that Federer might be masochistic because how much can a guy take. 8-2 and counting :o

Hensafmurrafter
02-04-2012, 03:56 AM
I would put my house on it...

...No.

Benny_Maths
02-04-2012, 04:07 AM
Tennis was so much better when the thread title would have been considered a joke.

sexybeast
07-09-2012, 05:17 PM
Bump. Too bad Federer let Djokovic steal a set from him on grass, straight set destruction of Novak would be much more satisfying. Maybe next year...

If they play in Wimbledon Federer might just destroy Djokovic in straight sets.

I am not very optimistic about his chances in other venues, but Djokovic might go into a slump like at the end of last season and then Federer will not be forgiving against him, furthermore Federer would win this Australian Open final against the subpar tired Djokovic.

sweetkit
07-09-2012, 05:22 PM
USO is still up, so there's still potential is this thread. Wouldn't be bad to spank Nolito there as during good old times.

sexybeast
07-09-2012, 05:25 PM
USO is still up, so there's still potential is this thread. Wouldn't be bad to spank Nolito there as during good old times.

True, Federer didnt "upset" Djokovic in WImbledon. Only fools would belive Djokovic was the favorite against Federer on grass, in Usopen there is a chanse we might see Federer truly upset Djokovic on his favorite surface.

However, I dont think Federer will ever beat Djokovic again on slow hardcourt or clay, unless he is really tired and subpar like in the AO final this year.

Corey Feldman
07-09-2012, 05:47 PM
If they play in Wimbledon Federer might just destroy Djokovic in straight sets.

:worship:

Johnbert
07-09-2012, 07:27 PM
Roger will beat Novak in the Wimbledon Final and reclaim his grass greatness. :hug::rocker2:

not the final, but :worship:

sweetkit
07-09-2012, 07:39 PM
True, Federer didnt "upset" Djokovic in WImbledon. Only fools would belive Djokovic was the favorite against Federer on grass, in Usopen there is a chanse we might see Federer truly upset Djokovic on his favorite surface.

However, I dont think Federer will ever beat Djokovic again on slow hardcourt or clay, unless he is really tired and subpar like in the AO final this year.
Strange thing is even the bookies had Nole 1.50 vs Fed. They must have been reading MTF and that "2.0" legend story.

Yeah, slow HC is Australia. In NY still a decent HC I hope, and with all those match points of the recent years, it's not like Fed has just a shot, he will be the fave should they face each other. Can't wait really.