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SIGN THE PETITION: Let's do something about the surface homogenization in tennis!!

Matt-TennisFan24
02-01-2012, 02:12 AM
Since many agreed with my idea, I started a Twitition to make a change in the Tour's surfaces.

http://twitition.com/p8sf9/

Let's try and get 1000 signs and send it to the ATP/ITF (they will probably ignore it) but if that fails then we'll make some tennis journalists sign the petition too or at least give their opinion about it. If we can get journalists to take it seriously, then they will ask the players in conferences if they think they should do something about it. And if the players really think it's a better way to preserve their bodies (instead of going on strike).

It's all a matter of IFs, but it's worth trying. All you have to do is sign the petition by Twitter.

What is there to lose, right?

MatchFederer
02-01-2012, 02:20 AM
Ugh, I need to reactivate my account to sign this already failed cause?

Roadmap
02-01-2012, 02:22 AM
Where do I sign?

Fedfanforever
02-01-2012, 02:23 AM
I don't have a twitter :(

Roadmap
02-01-2012, 02:27 AM
I don't have a twitter :(

I am opposed to twitter at an ideological level.

Matt-TennisFan24
02-01-2012, 02:30 AM
Ugh, I need to reactivate my account to sign this already failed cause?

Oh cmon, it's not a failed cause. After all, why not try? I mean, what would you lose? 10 mins of your life to create a twitter?

I don't have a twitter :(

Just make one, it's easy, it won't take more than 5 minutes!


Where do I sign?

Just sign in with Twitter and when you open the petition, you'll see a sign button. Click it and that's it!

Slice Winner
02-01-2012, 02:33 AM
I believe the statement needs to be reworded, made less vague, more specific.
But I support the idea.

MatchFederer
02-01-2012, 02:33 AM
Oh cmon, it's not a failed cause. After all, why not try? I mean, what would you lose? 10 mins of your life to create a twitter?



Just make one, it's easy, it won't take more than 5 minutes!




Just sign in with Twitter and when you open the petition, you'll see a sign button. Click it and that's it!

Naturally I will try, I just rate the chances of success at 0,001%

OK, everybody who does have twitter or will create would need to also tweet that they have signed this so every one of their twitter friends can see it and also maybe sign it, until we have some massive tennis twitter network petition thing going.

The title should be made more concise and specific or whatever, as has been said, so if you could edit that it might be useful.

'Bring variety back to Tennis' or something.

Fedfanforever
02-01-2012, 02:35 AM
Ok done :)

Matt-TennisFan24
02-01-2012, 02:36 AM
Naturally I will try, I just rate the chances of success at 0,001%

OK, everybody who does have twitter or will create would need to also tweet that they have signed this so every one of their twitter friends can see it and also maybe sign it, until we have some massive tennis twitter network petition thing going.

I have 356 followers and I've already tweeted about it.

Got like 3 RTs so far.

Even 2 Rafa fans! :eek:

hipolymer
02-01-2012, 02:36 AM
You should have used a different site that doesn't require accounts.

Matt-TennisFan24
02-01-2012, 02:38 AM
You should have used a different site that doesn't require accounts.

But there's no other way to acknowledge the people signing.

It was either Twitter or Facebook, and both are equally used.

Chose Twitter since there's a strong tennis community there and people tend to debate ideas more there than on FB

SetSampras
02-01-2012, 02:39 AM
Oh don't do that.. Djoker and Nadal would be dominant maybe 2-4 months out of the entire year. ROFL

Roadmap
02-01-2012, 02:39 AM
A complete boycott of Wimbledon tickets would do a supreme job.

MatchFederer
02-01-2012, 02:41 AM
A complete boycott of Wimbledon tickets would do a supreme job.

Very viable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roadmap
02-01-2012, 02:45 AM
Very viable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a fantasist :)

MatchFederer
02-01-2012, 02:46 AM
I am a fantasist :)

Disgusting pervert.

Fedfanforever
02-01-2012, 02:47 AM
I agree with changing the title.

Slice Winner
02-01-2012, 02:49 AM
A complete boycott of Wimbledon tickets would do a supreme job.

Gotta remember that many people going to Wimbledon don't know or give a f**k about tennis, so it wouldn't affect them.
Also, people at Wim will think "zomg noes, not another 10 years of ace fests".

SetSampras
02-01-2012, 02:55 AM
If you do that:

1. All this "record breaking" that has been going going on over the last decade would cease to exist
2. You would have no dominant all around players anymore.
3. It would probably go back to the early 00's transitional era since all these players have been trained to play on slow as molasses surfaces
4. Djoker and Nadal's dominance (the big publicity carries these days) would be cut in half and then some

incognito
02-01-2012, 03:01 AM
Oh don't do that.. Djoker and Nadal would be dominant maybe 2-4 months out of the entire year. ROFL
Don't fool yourself. That would only be the case if Djokovic was a serve-and-volleying grass court specialist or a clay court specialist, he is neither ;)

Roadmap
02-01-2012, 03:07 AM
Gotta remember that many people going to Wimbledon don't know or give a f**k about tennis, so it wouldn't affect them.
Also, people at Wim will think "zomg noes, not another 10 years of ace fests".

Mostly middle class female fuckwits who would like to suck upon Nadull and Fakermug's balls. Little appreciation of tennis.

ballbasher101
02-01-2012, 04:15 AM
Grinderthons are here to stay folks. People love epics. The ATP and ITF gave people what they wanted, more rallies. Be careful what you wish for. We are screwed. Nothing will change. I don't have twitter and will never join. Not really a fan of social network sites.

GrantOz44
02-01-2012, 05:10 AM
All I really want is for old Wimbledon to come back. Plexicushion at the AO is at least slightly tolerable (Although not great). But I'm sick of the green clay in London.

masterclass
02-01-2012, 10:14 AM
First, I want to say that I fully support the intent of the petition. Even if it ultimately is not successful, at least we are making a serious attempt to change the status quo.

However, there is only one way that the petition will have a chance to be successful. The petition must be crafted coherently in such a way where the suggested outcome will benefit most of the participants. The key participants being the tournaments, the players, and a majority of the fans. It then must be delivered in the most efficient and fair manner possible.

The tournament officials have to be convinced that more variation in playing conditions is more beneficial long term to the sport, players and their health, fan enjoyment, and most of all to their financial outlook.

The players will, I think, be somewhat easier to convince. The surfaces as they are may in the short term help the players that like slow conditions, but they will have to see that in the long term, they will be susceptible to serious injury.

The average fan will have to be convinced that watching a variety of tennis styles in the game is surely better than seeing marathon tennis on almost every occasion.

The document should emphasize that the changes that have been made, perhaps highlighted by Wimbledon, have gone too far in the direction of slow play, and need to be restored to an extent, restoring fair diverse play. We can't argue that Wimbledon should play at late 1990's pace, but certainly it should go in that direction from what it is now.. Primarily they need to lower the bounce there. Personally, I think we also need to tie this surface/ball playing conditions in with the frequency of which the top players are being forced to play each other and offer a reasonable alternative.

The vehicle that is used to convey the petition should be as accessible as possible to those who want to sign it, and be convenient enough to deliver it to the intended audience.

Let's not rush this petition because of our impatience to set things on the right path. I suggest that the document be crafted and agreed upon within the confines of MTF. Everyone interested in seeing it through should agree on its content via poll (don't know if a simple majority or 2/3 is better). Once the document has been crafted and agreed upon, then we have to agree on the best vehicle to deliver the petition.

Respectfully,
masterclass

MatchFederer
02-01-2012, 10:15 AM
Everything that Masterclass said, especially the part in bold. Flawless post, Masterclass, except for your use of 'it's' in the last paragraph. I figured you'd like the correction because you appear to be a perfectionist.

Respectfully,
TheOneTrueLord

masterclass
02-01-2012, 10:24 AM
Everything that Masterclass said, especially the part in bold. Flawless post, Masterclass, except for your use of 'it's' in the last paragraph. I figured you'd like the correction because you appear to be a perfectionist.

Respectfully,
TheOneTrueLord

Thanks, and done. It's good to have proofreaders :)
-masterclass

masterclass
02-01-2012, 11:25 AM
By the way, I would offer to write the initial document, but I think many here (if not most) believe my posts are too long. :shrug: We don't want it to be a book, do we. :)
Besides, I would hesitate to assume duties on Matt-TennisFan24's idea without his and/or the group's consent.

Still, I'm offering to help if asked.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Matt-TennisFan24
02-01-2012, 05:46 PM
By the way, I would offer to write the initial document, but I think many here (if not most) believe my posts are too long. :shrug: We don't want it to be a book, do we. :)
Besides, I would hesitate to assume duties on Matt-TennisFan24's idea without his and/or the group's consent.

Still, I'm offering to help if asked.

Respectfully,
masterclass

You have my total consent, masterclass.

Maybe you could make another petition (the more we have the better) on another site (since many don't use twitter).

I agree we should discuss our proposal, but I imagined it would be a big mess to try and get all the people on MTF to come to an agreement on how to write our petition. Let's just say I followed my instinct :o and I said "screw it" and made the post by myself.

But as I said, it would be great if you could make another one. And when we get a good number of signatures, we'll email both our petitions together.

Make a poll on MTF, do as you want. I leave you the leadership :D (heck, even I used some of your ideas in my post of the petition).

I made one which could be signed by Twitter since that's the quickest site to make news travel fast. Hey, I've already had 54 signatures in less than 24 hours!

So... yeah, come on and let's do another petition masterclass!! I believe yours will be better!

Sophocles
02-01-2012, 06:08 PM
The vehicle that is used to convey the petition should be as accessible as possible to those who want to sign it, and be convenient enough to deliver it to the intended audience.

Let's not rush this petition because of our impatience to set things on the right path. I suggest that the document be crafted and agreed upon within the confines of MTF. Everyone interested in seeing it through should agree on its content via poll (don't know if a simple majority or 2/3 is better). Once the document has been crafted and agreed upon, then we have to agree on the best vehicle to deliver the petition.

Respectfully,
masterclass

I agree, although please let us all commend the O.P. for having the gumption to suggest this in the first place. If somebody would do a draft (I'm happy to if I have time) then we can discuss it - but mods, please make the thread a troll-free zone.

P.S. I don't have Twitter either, but there's nothing wrong with having something on there.

masterclass
02-01-2012, 06:27 PM
You have my total consent, masterclass.

Maybe you could make another petition (the more we have the better) on another site (since many don't use twitter).

I agree we should discuss our proposal, but I imagined it would be a big mess to try and get all the people on MTF to come to an agreement on how to write our petition. Let's just say I followed my instinct :o and I said "screw it" and made the post by myself.

But as I said, it would be great if you could make another one. And when we get a good number of signatures, we'll email both our petitions together.

Make a poll on MTF, do as you want. I leave you the leadership :D (heck, even I used some of your ideas in my post of the petition).

I made one which could be signed by Twitter since that's the quickest site to make news travel fast. Hey, I've already had 54 signatures in less than 24 hours!

So... yeah, come on and let's do another petition masterclass!! I believe yours will be better!

Ok. Thanks. Please give me a couple of days to come up with a first draft. Then we'll offer it up for review and consideration and see what happens. I think there are very knowledgeable people here on MTF who could certainly help to refine or to give their learned opinion. And no, we don't have to get all to agree... :) Twitter seems good to get signatures, but seems to require accounts and not everybody is a fan of the social networks (I for one :)). Maybe someone else has some idea for signatures. But ultimately we have to submit the signed petition to the proper body as well.

Respectfully,
masterclass

masterclass
02-01-2012, 07:07 PM
I agree, although please let us all commend the O.P. for having the gumption to suggest this in the first place. If somebody would do a draft (I'm happy to if I have time) then we can discuss it - but mods, please make the thread a troll-free zone.

P.S. I don't have Twitter either, but there's nothing wrong with having something on there.

Agreed, and so commended, Matt! Not only to suggest the idea, but to follow through with putting it out there!
I'm trying to think of something like Twitter, but not. I'll try to research some online petition sites that don't require one to give up one's privacy. If anyone knows of such a site, please suggest it!

Respectfully,
masterclass

fran70
02-04-2012, 01:05 PM
Where do I have to sign? :wavey:

GSMnadal
02-04-2012, 01:15 PM
They can start by removing those red hardcourts at Roland Garros and by throwing away those supersonic balls they had last year