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Better grass court player: Rafter or Roddick?

LawrenceOfTennis
01-31-2012, 03:54 PM
Roddick has won 4 titles on grass. His record is 78-19. He played 3 Wimbledon finals, lost all of them to Federer.

Rafter has won 4 titles on grass. His record is 74-25. Reached 2 Wimbledon finals with losses to Sampras and Ivanisevic.

Numbers saying Roddick is clearly better, but I'm not sure about it. Discuss.

Clay Death
01-31-2012, 04:00 PM
rafter is the man.

roddick was overrated on grass. he didnt beat anybody special in all those queens finals. in fact, mahut gave him a gift in one of the finals there.

excellent topic.

SetSampras
01-31-2012, 04:09 PM
Rafter on grass. He seemed to be a better matchup for Fed then Roddick ever could be as well for whatever reason. Roddick was better at the USO on faster hardcourts then he was on grass IMO.

Rafter was much better putting pressure on the opponent and his transition to the net and volley skills was 10 times better then Roddick's. That could be the most likely edge to Rafter

sexybeast
01-31-2012, 04:10 PM
MTF logic says Roddick has achieved more and therefor must be considered better on grass than Rafter.

Clay Death
01-31-2012, 04:15 PM
mtf logic has no legs.

Naudio Spanlatine
01-31-2012, 04:17 PM
Rafter is a bit better than Roddick, roddick sometimes does too much, but not saying that roddick is a bad grass court player.

Lopez
01-31-2012, 04:17 PM
Roddick has the bigger serve which explains his results. Rafter was a more natural grass player but Roddick has produced with his serve. Both were close to a title, losing epic 5-set finals.

It's close, since it's also stupid to not include results into the comparison as well. I'd say Rafter edges it but maybe it has something to do with me liking Rafter's game and attitude and disliking that of Roddick :p

Clay Death
01-31-2012, 04:18 PM
rafter was far more talented. simply a better athlete.

take roddick`s serve away on grass and what does he have left?

Naudio Spanlatine
01-31-2012, 04:19 PM
affirmative general, i do agree with this.

leng jai
01-31-2012, 04:21 PM
Yes Roddick has better results but in terms of being a better player of grass courts, it has to be Rafter and by a significant margin. Roddick's grass court results are almost all due to his serve while Rafter relied on his court craft, slice backhand and volleying skills.

Clay Death
01-31-2012, 04:24 PM
finally a serious post from the rich tycoon from australia.

affirmative adrian.

rafter had more on the ball so to speak. he was also a more cerebral player than roddick on grass.

buzz
01-31-2012, 04:35 PM
About the same, Roddick probably had a little more longevity.

For me it doesn't matter if it is the serve or the volleys that make you a good grasscourter.

Sophocles
01-31-2012, 05:34 PM
Rafter on grass. He seemed to be a better matchup for Fed then Roddick ever could be as well for whatever reason.

The reason probably has something to do with Fed's being about 17 when they played.

Gabe32
01-31-2012, 05:37 PM
MTF logic says Roddick has achieved more and therefor must be considered better on grass than Rafter.

Logic just says that too.

Sonja1989
01-31-2012, 10:35 PM
My friend, Rafter will be the right answer around because this is a weak are as we know from MTF. :devil: No, sorry, it's the weakest era ever. :shrug:


Seriously, I think they are about same. Roddick was very good grass player as well when he played that few good year.

thrust
01-31-2012, 11:10 PM
Yes Roddick has better results but in terms of being a better player of grass courts, it has to be Rafter and by a significant margin. Roddick's grass court results are almost all due to his serve while Rafter relied on his court craft, slice backhand and volleying skills.

I AGREE.

alter ego
01-31-2012, 11:25 PM
Last time I checked serving is part of tennis. Roddick's serve on proper grass like queen's is unreturnable. So Roddick is the better player.

RoddickFan88
01-31-2012, 11:37 PM
Roddick probably a little bit better. :aplot:

HKz
01-31-2012, 11:55 PM
rafter was far more talented. simply a better athlete.

take roddick`s serve away on grass and what does he have left?

Rofl, what poor logic from the imaginary princess and queens girl. Take away most player's best shot and the rest of their game falls apart. Roddick still had some of the meanest groundstrokes during his peak of 2003/2004. A peak Roddick would of been hell to break on fast grass, however, Rafter may have slightly too much overall game compared to Andy.

Roddickominator
02-01-2012, 12:17 AM
Rafter had the more appealing and skilled grass game, that is for sure. Roddick's serve alone was as effective as Rafter's entire game though, which is the reason for the slightly better results for Roddick(along with a very high level of competition for Rafter).

Grass does suit Roddick's game in a few ways that many wouldn't think of though, other than the serve. He is an underrated mover on the surface, and is actually decent at passing when his opponent comes to net(which happens more often on grass). Also, his funky forehand doesn't really lose effectiveness with a lower bounce, he is still able to hit heavy rally shots with it and unload on it when needed(not any time recently, but back in his good days). Also, his terrible slice is actually a useful shot on the surface against most players, though obviously it doesn't have enough bite to trouble any of the top guys.

RagingLamb
02-01-2012, 12:23 AM
With all due respect to Andy Roddick, Patrick Rafter.

leng jai
02-01-2012, 12:24 AM
Roddick's mental fortitude on grass was immense pre 2008 as well because he was just impossible to break almost. That is an immense advantage - everything else is trivial in comparison.

Mountaindewslave
02-01-2012, 01:33 AM
MTF logic says Roddick has achieved more and therefor must be considered better on grass than Rafter.

are you kidding me, Roddick's game works wonders on grass courts. his serve (the best serve in the game at one point) is perfect for grass and his slicing works great on grassssssss.

Rafter had great touch no doubt but Roddick's power game really really works when on grass court. he definitely preformed more impressively at his best moments on the surface that Rafter at his best moments. Roddick was sublime in 2009 at Wimbledon, better than Rafter ever was on the surface

MatchFederer
02-01-2012, 02:10 AM
Not sure... excellent question. Rafter's game was more quintessential but Roddick was very imposing and powerful, and both were stopped by GOAT candidates on their favoured surface.

paseo
02-01-2012, 02:31 AM
Rafter had the more appealing and skilled grass game, that is for sure. Roddick's serve alone was as effective as Rafter's entire game

This.

Hellraiser
02-01-2012, 07:36 PM
Rafter

JediFed
02-01-2012, 08:47 PM
Roddick. 3 Wimbly finals. 'Nuff said.

r2473
02-01-2012, 09:03 PM
rafter was far more talented. simply a better athlete.

take roddick`s serve away on grass and what does he have left?

Take away Sampras' serve and he's in big trouble.

Take away his volley's and he's really screwed.

Make him play on one leg and I'd kick his ass (well, it would probably be closer at least).

But seriously, Isner and Karlovic both have a better serve than Roddick. Haven't seen them in a Wimbledon final just yet.

EDIT: It's actually amazing how underrated Roddick is. I wonder how many other men that have been consistent top 10 for 10(?) straight years "suck" according to most people.

I'd go so far as to say that Roddick is the most underrated player (in tennis history?). Might make for an intereting thread. Everybody loves to jerk off over Safin, Nalbandian, etc. Give me a guy that delivers year in and year out over a guy that has "amazing potential" any day.

EDIT: Actually, the most underrated player has to be Nadal. The only moonballing mug to win 10 slams (and make it to 15 finals).

SetSampras
02-01-2012, 09:54 PM
Take away Sampras' serve and he's in big trouble.

Take away his volley's and he's really screwed.

Make him play on one leg and I'd kick his ass (well, it would probably be closer at least).

But seriously, Isner and Karlovic both have a better serve than Roddick. Haven't seen them in a Wimbledon final just yet.

EDIT: It's actually amazing how underrated Roddick is. I wonder how many other men that have been consistent top 10 for 10(?) straight years "suck" according to most people.

I'd go so far as to say that Roddick is the most underrated player (in tennis history?). Might make for an intereting thread. Everybody loves to jerk off over Safin, Nalbandian, etc. Give me a guy that delivers year in and year out over a guy that has "amazing potential" any day.

EDIT: Actually, the most underrated player has to be Nadal. The only moonballing mug to win 10 slams (and make it to 15 finals).


Take away Fed's FH and today's racket technology for Nadal and they are nothing either you know. Rafter just had more weapons then Roddick does. Roddick's game is primarily filled with holes ever since he lost that big FH. Then all he was was just a serve

r2473
02-01-2012, 10:21 PM
Take away Fed's FH and today's racket technology for Nadal and they are nothing either you know. Rafter just had more weapons then Roddick does. Roddick's game is primarily filled with holes ever since he lost that big FH. Then all he was was just a serve

And yet he ended the year top 10 for 9(?) consecutive years, failing to do this in 2011 (much of this due to injuries), but he was still seeded in the top 16 at AO12.

If all Roddick has is one weapon, against most players, that's apparantly enough.

Seems as though that single weapon had LOTS of staying power as well.

Leo
02-01-2012, 10:27 PM
Rafter.

Not a question, IMO.

Linda R
02-01-2012, 10:55 PM
Rafter and he was so much better to look at!

finishingmove
02-01-2012, 10:58 PM
Roddick.

Numbers. Don't. Lie.

StevoTG
02-01-2012, 11:24 PM
How underrated is Roddick? For so many years he's had an amazing record on grass (and hardcourts) and has looked unbreakable at times. People can call him all serve, but you don't make as many finals as Andy has with one shot. And even if you judge Roddick solely by his serve, you have to take into account that he's not some 6'8 giant who you expect to go out there and serve you off the court, he's 6'2 (1.88 metres) and worked his guts out for that serve.

He's not usually the prettiest player to look at, but he's been incredibly effective.

Two fantastic grass court players here, but I'd give Roddick the edge.