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Taking the ball early. Who's the best at this?

paseo
01-31-2012, 02:57 AM
Standing near/on the baseline. Hitting the ball on the rise. Taking time from opponents. Half volley from the baseline.

Who's the best? Federer? Davydenko? Nalbandian? Agassi? Who?!

n8
01-31-2012, 03:40 AM
You mention Agassi so I guess you're going for all time. From what I've seen Agassi was the best at taking the ball early.

paseo
01-31-2012, 07:05 AM
You mention Agassi so I guess you're going for all time. From what I've seen Agassi was the best at taking the ball early.

Do you know more players from previous era that are great at this? you know, before Agassi?

guyha4
01-31-2012, 07:10 AM
Roger!!!

samanosuke
01-31-2012, 07:58 AM
nadal obviously

green25814
01-31-2012, 08:00 AM
Best I remember seeing was Agassi

MaxPower
01-31-2012, 08:19 AM
Fedureeer is the best overall. Agassi was good but not as good. Federer got the half-volley of the gods especially when on the move. Davydenko (in shape) was fantastic too. Key for him was the very quick footwork.

Agassi was maybe the best at early RoS. His BH return when stepping in was legendary.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-31-2012, 08:59 AM
Agassi by far.
I do not understand the Davydenko hype on MTF for years. He is nothing special, was a very good player, but not an extremely big talent.

asmazif
01-31-2012, 09:26 AM
Monfils

Sophocles
01-31-2012, 09:45 AM
Agassi. Before Agassi and modern strings shots weren't coming as hard & fast from the baseline, so it's very hard to compare, but in their day Connors & McEnroe both took the ball very early. Honourable mentions to Federer, Nalbandian, Davydenko. Djoker isn't bad either, though not in their league.

BroTree123
01-31-2012, 10:17 AM
Tobias Kamke.

TBkeeper
01-31-2012, 10:49 AM
Davydenko --> Agassi (by a little fraction but Davy's a little faster)
In fact it is:
Agassi better than Davydenko in defensive half-voleys from the baseline. (Federer is better than Davy in defensive half-voleys)
Davydenko better than Agassi (so it means than everyone) in aggressive half-voleys from everywhere around the baseline BUT he can do them 3-4 metres inside the court too! and they'll still be aggressive. JUST LOOK some of his matches and you'll know it

nalbyfan
01-31-2012, 12:14 PM
Agassi, Nalby and Davydenko

philosophicalarf
01-31-2012, 12:25 PM
Chela.

Mystique
01-31-2012, 12:35 PM
I hear Agassi. Truth is, I didnt use to watch tennis in the 90s, have only watched highlights of some great matches. But what I can say is that even at 30, the Agassi I saw could take the ball on the rise like no one can - at least in today's game.

Shirogane
01-31-2012, 01:33 PM
Llodra. The man even takes it before the ball bounces, how the hell does he do that.

Branimir
01-31-2012, 01:39 PM
Andre Agassi

Li Ching Yuen
01-31-2012, 01:41 PM
Davydenko and Agassi.

SaFed2005
01-31-2012, 02:49 PM
I definitely have to give the nod to Federer in terms of defensive half- volleys. How many times has he hit winners off of half volleys at the baseline? I see it so often. Even as recent as the AO, he was hitting half volley winners against Del Potro's super forehand shots! (especially with his BHs).

Overall, I would say Agassi. Honorable mentions to Nalbandian and Davydenko.

Ajk822
01-31-2012, 03:00 PM
Federer. He built his entire career on taking time away from the other player.

Clay Death
01-31-2012, 03:01 PM
nobody takes the ball earlier than fed. nole is right up there as well.

paseo
01-31-2012, 03:52 PM
Agassi by far.
I do not understand the Davydenko hype on MTF for years. He is nothing special, was a very good player, but not an extremely big talent.

When in form, Davydenko is one of the cleanest ball striker ever.

Agassi. Before Agassi and modern strings shots weren't coming as hard & fast from the baseline, so it's very hard to compare, but in their day Connors & McEnroe both took the ball very early. Honourable mentions to Federer, Nalbandian, Davydenko. Djoker isn't bad either, though not in their league.

Maybe not from the baseline, but there's gotta be many volleys that are hit very deep in the S&V era (unlike today, most volleys are drop volleys).

And can we say that this skill also includes the half-volleys passing shots from the baseline. Fed used to be so good at this, just flicked it pass the volleyer. Or is it a different skill all together?

paseo
01-31-2012, 03:57 PM
Davydenko --> Agassi (by a little fraction but Davy's a little faster)
In fact it is:
Agassi better than Davydenko in defensive half-voleys from the baseline. (Federer is better than Davy in defensive half-voleys)
Davydenko better than Agassi (so it means than everyone) in aggressive half-voleys from everywhere around the baseline BUT he can do them 3-4 metres inside the court too! and they'll still be aggressive. JUST LOOK some of his matches and you'll know it

Yes, I agree. Defensively, Davydenko is below Fed and Agassi on this. This is one of the reason he why he can never be a great player despite his immense talent in ball striking (aside from having no serve and choking). Davydenko can be overpowered.

philosophicalarf
01-31-2012, 04:43 PM
Oh, it's a serious thread? How unusual.

In that case, the answer is clearly Federer. Taking the ball early is difficult enough, but all the other practitioners do so with short backswing, flat shots. Federer does it with spin, and a hell of a lot of it too.

latso
01-31-2012, 07:31 PM
Davydenko is a synonim of "taking ball early".

He made a career on this.

paseo
02-01-2012, 12:11 AM
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TBkeeper
02-01-2012, 10:49 AM
Davydenko is a synonim of "taking ball early".

He made a career on this.


Clearly man ... i don't get how no one saw that he took every fckin ball on the rise or at least in it's highest bounce ..... in his entire career ... somewhere about 50% of his winners are from exactly that ... robbing the opponent out of time and/or surprising them by hitting the ball right after the bounce when it isn't needed to do so...

abraxas21
02-01-2012, 12:17 PM
yeah, and by taking it early he doesnt have to generate much power of his own.