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Did you enjoy the AO 2012 men's final? Why or why not.

r2473
01-30-2012, 07:23 PM
Surprised to be reading how so many people didn't enjoy the final for various reasons.

Simple question: Did YOU enjoy the final or not?

Noleta
01-30-2012, 07:36 PM
I did.Some amazing shots,highly dramatic match,not to mention how tense it was,til the last point.:yeah:

TBkeeper
01-30-2012, 07:37 PM
Too slow rallies... I was watching today Davydenko and Davydenko generated easily much more power than Djokovic what a shame ...

r3d_d3v1l_
01-30-2012, 07:43 PM
I would watch any day the epic 2005 AO semifinal between Safin and Federer. But this one, i would only watch from the 4th set.

Itīs like people saying the US Open final was great, when i fact, it really only got a really good set. The third one. The rest is just pushing, moonballing, etc..

Pretty boring.

Certinfy
01-30-2012, 07:45 PM
It was good, but I think it's already quite overrated from the comments i've read on this forum. I mean last set and a half was great but the rest was pretty boring I say.

Sound2k10
01-30-2012, 07:48 PM
Surprised to be reading how so many people didn't enjoy the final for various reasons.

Simple question: Did YOU enjoy the final or not?

Thought it was great. Loved the momentum swings, the passion (particularly from Nadal in the 4th set) and it was good tennis. I love long rallies, I love watching them fight it out in long matches.

Stronga23
01-30-2012, 07:48 PM
Nadal-Berdych was the best match in terms of quality from start to finish.

r2473
01-30-2012, 07:55 PM
I would watch any day the epic 2005 AO semifinal between Safin and Federer. But this one, i would only watch from the 4th set.

How long has it been since you watched this match IN ITS ENTIRETY? Don't get me wrong. Its a great match (I own a copy and watch it once a year). But you might be surprised to see that it wasn't non-stop great tennis. Which really isn't surprising. Its a tennis match played by real people.

Kworb
01-30-2012, 07:57 PM
Generally no. The ending was interesting in a WTA kind of way with the momentum constantly going back and forth. But I wasn't enjoying the tennis itself, they play too slowly, and the rallies were too long and monotonous.

Fedfanforever
01-30-2012, 08:00 PM
It was dramatic, but the rallies were too long and it got boring. Also, since both players are time wasters between points, it took forever. They need to speed the courts up!

Sophocles
01-30-2012, 08:00 PM
I found it pretty harrowing to be honest.

nole_no1
01-30-2012, 08:04 PM
The only ones who didn't like this final are Nadaltards or Nole haters

Ultravox
01-30-2012, 08:07 PM
Too slow rallies... I was watching today Davydenko and Davydenko generated easily much more power than Djokovic what a shame ...

Blah,blah,blah. Novak played 2 match in 2011 against Davy and won 3-0 and 2-0. But wait, maybe, your Grigor is better then Novak,isn it? I mean,He got power:worship:

TBkeeper
01-30-2012, 08:12 PM
Blah,blah,blah. Novak played 2 match in 2011 against Davy and won 3-0 and 2-0. But wait, maybe, your Grigor is better then Novak,isn it? I mean,He got power:worship:

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
it is normal Novak to beat easily Davydenko ... nothing unusual ...
I'm just saying that Davydenko is so lightweight and still was capable of hitting far more powerful groundstrokes than Djokovic
And you know it yourself that Djokovic was playing far more defensive than 2011 Davy against him ..... that means something for this mug slow-ass court era

theKSHE
01-30-2012, 08:13 PM
The only ones who didn't like this final are Nadaltards or Nole haters

Lol'd. Everything besides asslicking Nadal or Nole are haters.

I didn't like it tbh. Pushing, pushing and pushing, both players not willing to produce decent pace consistently and just getting the ball deep into other side of the net.

Hypnotize
01-30-2012, 08:15 PM
It was an epic match with fantastic rallies and so many twist and turns. You really didn't know who was going to win until the last point. More than anything, both players fought to the end and made me proud to be a tennis fan. That match showed the world that tennis players are the best all-round athletes in sport.:worship:

misty1
01-30-2012, 08:18 PM
i didnt enjoy it at all

duong
01-30-2012, 08:27 PM
Partly enjoyed, partly feeling uneasy about the physical aspect, esp from Djokovic considering his previous matches, and although I like him and I was rooting for him a lot.

Something's troubling me, now I feel there is more than 50% chance that these players are dopers.

But for the quality of the tennis, I can say "overall yes" : I didn't fall asleep in 6 hours, whereas I had fallen asleep during Nadal-Berdych match :lol:

I really like Djokovic's tennis abilities and character (still quite a creative player)

Super Djoker
01-30-2012, 08:28 PM
I thought it was awesome! Very physical with some brutal rallies ! Plenty of drama and lots of breakes ! Nadal df to gift Novak the chance to serve for the match! I enjoyed it , also another crushing match point shot from Novak ala , the us open last year !

theKSHE
01-30-2012, 08:30 PM
I see!! You enjoy tons of breaks, choking and pushing. Sorry mate but you're in the wrong place. Top right link "Tennis Forum" is the correct place, enjoy.

Fedfanforever
01-30-2012, 08:32 PM
Something's troubling me, now I feel there is more than 50% chance that these players are dopers.

Yeah, the physical aspect of it scares me a lot. It's like, is this what you need to win a slam now?

Certinfy
01-30-2012, 08:40 PM
Nadal-Berdych was the best match in terms of quality from start to finish.
I think the exact same, and i'm not even being biased because Tomas lost that. :o

W/UE error ratio doesn't really lie in that match either, great match and the 4th set was by far the best set of tennis Nadal has played in absolute ages.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-30-2012, 08:43 PM
In terms of quality both Murray-Djokovic and Nadal-Berdych were better.

veganlunch
01-30-2012, 08:47 PM
How can anyone enjoy watching 6 hours of non variety tennis between 2 doublehanders, who break the time rules between every point?

r3d_d3v1l_
01-30-2012, 08:53 PM
I think the exact same, and i'm not even being biased because Tomas lost that. :o

W/UE error ratio doesn't really lie in that match either, great match and the 4th set was by far the best set of tennis Nadal has played in absolute ages.

Itīs sick how Berdych crashed in that match.

duong
01-30-2012, 08:54 PM
In terms of quality both Murray-Djokovic and Nadal-Berdych were better.

I disagree : tennis-wise the final was the best quality-match and also the one I enjoyed better (well, it's quite even with Tomic-Dolgopolov, I even think I enjoyed Tomic-Dolgopolov better :lol: ). Tennis-wise.

I nearly slept during both Nadal-Berdych and Murray-Djokovic (especially the first one : Berdych did always the same thing and Nadal the same ; as for the second one, too many unforced errors imo)

LawrenceOfTennis
01-30-2012, 08:55 PM
I nearly slept during both Nadal-Berdych and Murray-Djokovic

You have a pretty strange taste. Bewrdych-Nadal was a sick match, in the best meaning of that word even tho Berdych gifted it.

Marc23
01-30-2012, 08:57 PM
Yes,because of all the drama ;)

Gagsquet
01-30-2012, 09:00 PM
that was lame. Champions tour is more exciting.

leng jai
01-30-2012, 09:08 PM
It was disappointingly short IMO. I went out for a 7 hour cigarette break and when I came back it was already over.

xdrewitdajx
01-30-2012, 09:08 PM
i enjoyed it. i thought the quality of their USO final was better overall but obviously the tension/drama in this one was something else....it was a real battle. Nadal is a beast, the fact he even put himself in a situation to win it, that alone was commendable. Djokovic should/could have closed it out in the 4th, but this way made for a much more interesting storyline

NID
01-30-2012, 09:38 PM
Had it not died before (on numerous occassions) tennis would have surely died on that day.
In any event, proceed to the nearest collecting point and dispose of your tennis rackets. They are of no use anymore.

samanosuke
01-30-2012, 09:40 PM
just the outcome . from anything else still feeling sick

Ultravox
01-30-2012, 09:42 PM
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
it is normal Novak to beat easily Davydenko ... nothing unusual ...
I'm just saying that Davydenko is so lightweight and still was capable of hitting far more powerful groundstrokes than Djokovic
And you know it yourself that Djokovic was playing far more defensive than 2011 Davy against him ..... that means something for this mug slow-ass court era

I ask you again: What about Dimitrov and his "powerful groundstrokes"? He is hitting ball much harder then Novak,isn it?

r2473
01-30-2012, 09:43 PM
Had it not died before (on numerous occassions) tennis would have surely died on that day.
In any event, proceed to the nearest collecting point and dispose of your tennis rackets. They are of no use anymore.

I just have to ask, when was the Golden Age of tennis?

When did 'they' "get it right"?

Point to a specific time if you can (not some imagined, idealized glory period that never existed outside your own mind).

stewietennis
01-30-2012, 09:47 PM
As much as I like both Novak and Rafa, I didn''t enjoy the slowness between points. I guess with their physical style of play they both kind of need a little breather between exchanges but even between first and second serves were too long. However, this was trumped by the edge-of-your-seat drama of the match. Rafa looked down and out at the end of the 4th set. Nole looked down and out at 2-4 15-30 in the fifth.

Time2burn
01-30-2012, 09:47 PM
Fed would of lost in 3 quickies against either player they were playing great

Super Djoker
01-30-2012, 09:50 PM
Lol'd. Everything besides asslicking Nadal or Nole are haters.

I didn't like it tbh. Pushing, pushing and pushing, both players not willing to produce decent pace consistently and just getting the ball deep into other side of the net.

I see!! You enjoy tons of breaks, choking and pushing. Sorry mate but you're in the wrong place. Top right link "Tennis Forum" is the correct place, enjoy.

More than 1 way to skin a cat ! Don,t give me crap about a right way and wrong way to play tennis, that,s just sad !

r2473
01-30-2012, 10:14 PM
Interesting to see the average time taken per point played for each match the top 8 played at AO12.

http://www.606v2.com/t22359-2012-australian-open-time-taken-per-point-played-for-the-top-8-men

Right On
01-30-2012, 10:15 PM
Yes, Djoker won. Not his best though, apart from sets 2 and3 it was a pretty bad match all around.

masterclass
01-30-2012, 10:16 PM
Fed would of lost in 3 quickies against either player they were playing great

On a cool slow playing night as Thursday was, yes, he would be trying to hit through molasses and hit the top of the net 50 times trying to hit the ball into the court on a line to make winners.
In the heat of the day with faster sailing balls he could still play shots with a bit of safe spin and would burn either of them with winners from both sides, but primarily with his forehand.

It's all about the pace of the courts and ball bouncing characteristics.
Slow paced courts with high bounces favor the Nadal and Djokovic super retriever types,
Fast paced courts with low bounces favor the Federer attack types.
Recently, the Australian Open courts generally favor the former.
In between gives both types a chance.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Mountaindewslave
01-30-2012, 10:18 PM
no it was painful seeing a player as great as Nadal in the head (or so I thought) blowing away a 4-2 (30-15_) lead in the final set.... utterly painful :o

SetSampras
01-30-2012, 10:19 PM
Nahh.. Two pussies who fail to end points as fast as they should. The match went WAY too long when it shouldn't have if either had the nuts to actually come to the net and put short balls away.. But Nadal has to play it "safe" all the time vs. Nole. Sickening

Any good attacker (like Sampras, Fed, Peak Safin etc) would have blown Nole off the court. Nadal would rather live behind the baseline 200 miles away tip tapping shots back and moonballing.

DISGUSTING HC tennis.

paseo
01-30-2012, 10:20 PM
Don't like the tennis, if you can call that tennis. But, loved the drama :D

tests
01-30-2012, 10:25 PM
The final was a tease. First nole gifts the first set to nadal (nadal is what, 188-1 after winning 1st set??). Than he goes on and dominates nadal in the next 2 sets. Than nadal ups his level in the 4th and nole plays well too.

Than in the 5th, nadal winning is a foregone conclusion...... but jesus nole came through and snatched the title.

As a result, tennis is the victor.

Fedfanforever
01-30-2012, 10:26 PM
Nahh.. Two pussies who fail to end points as fast as they should. The match went WAY too long when it shouldn't have if either had the nuts to actually come to the net and put short balls away..
Totally agree with you.

Marc23
01-30-2012, 10:33 PM
Nahh.. Two pussies who fail to end points as fast as they should.

We all know how Federer ended playing as fast as he could against Nadal multiple times ;)

r3d_d3v1l_
01-30-2012, 10:36 PM
Any good attacker (like Sampras, Fed, Peak Safin etc) would have blown Nole off the court. Nadal would rather live behind the baseline 200 miles away tip tapping shots back and moonballing.

DISGUSTING HC tennis.

Sorry but Sampras would have been destroyed by Djokovic. You couldnīt ask for a better matchup for Djokovic than facing an S&V on a really slow hardcourt.

Bobby
01-31-2012, 03:23 AM
It was dramatic. But it also showed us the direction where tennis is going and I don't like it. No variety and no attacking. The final could have been shorter if either one of them actually followed their shots to the net.

MuzzahLovah
01-31-2012, 03:29 AM
Honestly, I don't think Nole played that well, especially compared to last year. I like Nadal being crushed for the 7th consecutive time, but it was a really ugly match especially in terms of errors.

tripwires
01-31-2012, 03:46 AM
It was dramatic. But it also showed us the direction where tennis is going and I don't like it. No variety and no attacking. The final could have been shorter if either one of them actually followed their shots to the net.

This, pretty much. This kind of tennis isn't the kind that will keep me watching once Federer retires.

Art&Soul
01-31-2012, 03:56 AM
The intense is great but the quality mostly not especially in the first two sets, lots of pushing and grinding, time wasting, no variety at all. Mug era that's why even 30 year old Fed still number 3 in the world ;)

ballbasher101
01-31-2012, 04:16 AM
How anyone can call Nole a pusher is beyond me. It is tough to hit through Nadal. Djokovic is the only one in the world who can actually hit through Nadal. The Djoker does deserve criticism for not coming to the net. I swear the guy must have a phobia of volleying. He had Nadal on the ropes in countless rallies but he still refused to come in. The match might have lasted half the time had he come to net to finish off points. Volleying is dead, screw the ATP and ITF. They are killing tennis.

CelesteBlanca
01-31-2012, 05:01 AM
But it also showed us the direction where tennis is going and I don't like it. No variety and no attacking. The final could have been shorter if either one of them actually followed their shots to the net.

Agree with you, this final no variety and no attacking, much more ugly than before. This match is respectable for both persistence, but not great at all as to the match quality.

MIMIC
01-31-2012, 05:15 AM
No, I didn't enjoy it. Djoker has no business losing sets to Nadal :o

rickcastle
01-31-2012, 05:21 AM
Last 1 1/2 sets were pretty enjoyable in the level of excitement and the momentum going back and forth. But it was the whole atmosphere that made it exciting - finals, top 2 players, going to the 5th set - but the tennis itself was uninspired. Very few shots that we'll rewind and look back 5 years from now and go wow for.

FairWeatherFan
01-31-2012, 06:04 AM
The fact the media are inflating this mediocre match as one of the greatest ever rationalises the tennis decision-makers' slowing down of the courts.

bokehlicious
01-31-2012, 06:41 AM
Quality-wise it was sh#t. But the outcome was :drool: :hearts:

tripwires
01-31-2012, 07:13 AM
How anyone can call Nole a pusher is beyond me. It is tough to hit through Nadal. Djokovic is the only one in the world who can actually hit through Nadal. The Djoker does deserve criticism for not coming to the net. I swear the guy must have a phobia of volleying. He had Nadal on the ropes in countless rallies but he still refused to come in. The match might have lasted half the time had he come to net to finish off points. Volleying is dead, screw the ATP and ITF. They are killing tennis.

It's precisely because he's not a pusher that I was not a fan of the endless rallies for which he was partly responsible. I don't get the net allergy. Why spend 6 hours winning a match when you could potentially do so in maybe half the time? i've always thought of Nole as a relatively complete player so this match - and the Djokovic/Nadal rivalry the way it's developing - was an eyesore for me in general.

zcess81
01-31-2012, 07:38 AM
I enjoyed it very much (Nole winning has probably something to do with that). Quality of tennis was OK in first 3 sets. In sets 2 and 3 it was pretty much all Nole show. However, in sets 4 and 5 there were some amazing rallies. The reason why this match is one of the best ever IMO is the DRAMA. And isn't that what everyone wants? Drama is why we watch sports, movies, read books etc. Sure, ideally, you want amazing quality and the drama, but if I had to pick one over the other, I'd pick highly dramatic match every time (USO 2011 final was better quality but it lacked drama). I mean, I was on the edge of my seat in sets 4 and 5. Also, in 5th set especially, both players were very, very tired - especially Nole - and that is what you want in sports, that is what gives drama, that is why grand slams are special. You want the players running on fumes, sweating acid, battling exhaustion, squeezing the last drop of energy for that one final shot...the final certainly had that, and that is why it will be remembered for many years to come.

Puschkin
01-31-2012, 08:32 AM
Did I enjoy this match? Not really. Yep, there was a lot of drama, but tennis-wise it was so predictable. I like tennis when the players go for the surprise shot, when they display an all court game, when there are more winners than unforced errors, when the time-rules are respected. Just because a match is long and tight, it is not necessarily good.

duong
01-31-2012, 08:44 AM
How anyone can call Nole a pusher is beyond me. It is tough to hit through Nadal. Djokovic is the only one in the world who can actually hit through Nadal.

Berdych could do it as well, as it was a hot day like for the final hence quick.

Federer could not in a cool day.

I think it might have lasted 7 hours or more if the final had been in a cool day :lol:

Sonja1989
01-31-2012, 08:46 AM
Yes, I did because Rafa had more chance than I expected. :angel: But I didn't enjoy the last set :sobbing:

Clashcityrocker
01-31-2012, 10:29 AM
i didn't even watch

Sophocles
01-31-2012, 10:32 AM
How anyone can call Nole a pusher is beyond me. It is tough to hit through Nadal. Djokovic is the only one in the world who can actually hit through Nadal. The Djoker does deserve criticism for not coming to the net. I swear the guy must have a phobia of volleying. He had Nadal on the ropes in countless rallies but he still refused to come in. The match might have lasted half the time had he come to net to finish off points. Volleying is dead, screw the ATP and ITF. They are killing tennis.

Djoker probably watched the other semi and saw Nadal playing some guy doing a Roddick impression at the net. It's not a huge surprise he was reluctant to come in on this pathetic surface.

Nole certainly isn't a pusher & even his "softer" shots are effective at keeping Nadal pinned behind the baseline, thanks to their depth.

Incidentally, it is possible to have drama AND quality, you know. Borg-Mac Wimbledon 1980 for example, or more recently Safin-Fed A.O. 2005, Nadal-Fed Rome 2006, Fed-Nadal Wimbledon 2007, Nadal-Verdasco A.O. 2009.

Clashcityrocker
01-31-2012, 10:41 AM
i prefer drama matches like becker-sampras in stuttgart & masters in '96 or ivanisevic-rafter wimbledon '01 :D

Sunset of Age
01-31-2012, 11:02 AM
The fact the media are inflating this mediocre match as one of the greatest ever rationalises the tennis decision-makers' slowing down of the courts.

Yep. Mediocre at most, decent at its best moments. Lots of drama, but tennis quality? Nah. The media hyping up every match that goes beyond the five hours-mark is becoming a reoccuring source of irritation to me. :mad:
I fear you're right. :sad:

Djoker probably watched the other semi and saw Nadal playing some guy doing a Roddick impression at the net.

:spit: :lol:

Incidentally, it is possible to have drama AND quality, you know. Borg-Mac Wimbledon 1980 for example, or more recently Safin-Fed A.O. 2005, Nadal-Fed Rome 2006, Fed-Nadal Wimbledon 2007, Nadal-Verdasco A.O. 2009.

Sigh... yeah. All matches 'greater' than this one, that's for sure.

azure
01-31-2012, 11:06 AM
I enjoyed what I saw of it. More for the Drama than anything else.

Hypnotize
01-31-2012, 11:22 AM
Clearly the public loved this match:

The Australian Open's host broadcaster, Seven, reports that Djokovic's victory over Nadal is the top programme of 2012, with an average national audience of 1,860,000 viewers watching until after 1.30 a.m. and a peak audience of almost four million viewers tuning in nationally. A staggering 1,675,000 viewers were still glued to the coverage at 1.45 a.m.

Great quote from L'Equipe:
"Novak Djokovic is a rock. Over the past year, he has walked on water and it is no longer a miracle."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/01/4/Australian-Open-Final-Djokovic-Media-Tour.aspx

Mystique
01-31-2012, 11:35 AM
The drama and the result? Yes.
The tennis? A big fat No.
That AO surface is an abomination to tennis.

AnnaK_4ever
01-31-2012, 11:40 AM
Don't like the tennis, if you can call that tennis. But, loved the drama :D

What drama? The outcome was never, not for a second in doubt.

TBkeeper
01-31-2012, 12:12 PM
I ask you again: What about Dimitrov and his "powerful groundstrokes"? He is hitting ball much harder then Novak,isn it?

I'm not Dimitrov fan ... and i don't like him he is a spoiled brat

Quadruple Tree
01-31-2012, 12:37 PM
Clearly the public loved this match:

The Australian Open's host broadcaster, Seven, reports that Djokovic's victory over Nadal is the top programme of 2012, with an average national audience of 1,860,000 viewers watching until after 1.30 a.m. and a peak audience of almost four million viewers tuning in nationally. A staggering 1,675,000 viewers were still glued to the coverage at 1.45 a.m.

Great quote from L'Equipe:
"Novak Djokovic is a rock. Over the past year, he has walked on water and it is no longer a miracle."

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/01/4/Australian-Open-Final-Djokovic-Media-Tour.aspx

2012 is only a month old today. That statistic doesn't mean anything. Now if it's still the highest rated program in December, that would be impressive.

As far as the match goes, I feel asleep at the start of the third set, and woke up to see Nadal choke the match away up a break in the fifth.

thehotstuff66
01-31-2012, 01:32 PM
For the tennis, no...

For the fact that Nole won against Nadal 7 straight times and has lost 3 finals to him, yes! That would be a hell yes...

Never loved Nole more for that, just the win alone made me happy.

Loved the celebration....loved the fight from both but honestly the match was too long, nole could have won it in 3 and saved all the hoopla but got to say, even though i am not a fan of nadal, his will and his fight is huge...

cat

r2473
01-31-2012, 04:52 PM
I'm really not understanding "the quality of tennis was no good / terrible".

Given the matchup, the speed of the courts, etc (balls, whatever), the match was played at the highest level as far as I could tell.

You may not have enjoyed the time taken between points. You may have wanted them to be more aggressive at times (come to net). But I think they both played very smart, very high quality tennis given their opponent and taking all conditions into consideration.

These are REAL MATCHES folks. Played in real conditions. You can wish and whine all you want. But when you look at how each handled REALITY, I think the tennis was fantastic.

And for those of you who pine for "glory matches" like Safin-Fed AO 2005, etc, seriously, go back and watch THE ENTIRE MATCH. Overall (each and every point), it may not be as great as your memory is telling you (since you probably only recall the highlights).

You guys sure are hard to please.

rocketassist
01-31-2012, 04:56 PM
'tennis is evolving'

:lol:

From Barcelona-type tennis, to a poor man's catenaccio.

r2473
01-31-2012, 04:57 PM
What drama? The outcome was never, not for a second in doubt.

So with Djokovic serving 2-4; 15-30 in the fifth when Nadal had an open court to go up 15-40 and Djokovic was looking exhausted and defeated, you KNEW Nadal was going to miss that shot and Djokovic was going to win the match? Or even if Djokovic would have been serving 15-40, you still would have said "Djokovic wins 100% sure". (Or then coudld you have said the outcome was not in doubt because Rafa was sure to win?).

Well, you are the better man. I thought Nadal had the upper hand at that moment. More the fool I.

Sunset of Age
01-31-2012, 04:58 PM
So with Djokovic serving 2-4; 15-30 in the fifth when Nadal had an open court to go up 15-40 and Djokovic was looking exhausted and defeated, you KNEW Nadal was going to miss that shot and Djokovic was going to win the match?

Well, you are the better man. I thought Nadal had the upper hand at that moment. More the fool I.

You weren't the only one - by far. ;)

Mystique
01-31-2012, 05:22 PM
I'm really not understanding "the quality of tennis was no good / terrible".

Given the matchup, the speed of the courts, etc (balls, whatever), the match was played at the highest level as far as I could tell.

You may not have enjoyed the time taken between points. You may have wanted them to be more aggressive at times (come to net). But I think they both played very smart, very high quality tennis given their opponent and taking all conditions into consideration.

These are REAL MATCHES folks. Played in real conditions. You can wish and whine all you want. But when you look at how each handled REALITY, I think the tennis was fantastic.

And for those of you who pine for "glory matches" like Safin-Fed AO 2005, etc, seriously, go back and watch THE ENTIRE MATCH. Overall (each and every point), it may not be as great as your memory is telling you (since you probably only recall the highlights).

You guys sure are hard to please.

I agree with almost everything you said except this bolded part. I watched that match live and guess what, I would watch that match - WHOLE MATCH again. It was that good. It was a match when both guys FORCED THE ISSUE. So what if there were errors? There were twice as many incredible winners and better pure shotmaking. Similarly I would watch the whole of a lot of matches from that time - say Fed-Santoro (US 05), Agassi-Fed AO 05 etc. I am sorry I recall a lot of Fed matches most :D..Point is, I will never want to watch a match like this AO final ever again.

I think a lot of people who said this match wasnt great quality know it is not exactly Nadal and Djokovic's fault but its because the courts are so fucking slow. :rolleyes: But these guys thrive on such conditions dont they? Maybe they adjust to it better than the other guys but dont you think tennis was better to watch, more fun to play to maybe when the surfaces were faster?

nsidhan
01-31-2012, 05:27 PM
Only last 1.5 sets. Rest was boring, REALLY BORING!

Hypnotize
01-31-2012, 05:44 PM
2012 is only a month old today. That statistic doesn't mean anything. Now if it's still the highest rated program in December, that would be impressive.

As far as the match goes, I feel asleep at the start of the third set, and woke up to see Nadal choke the match away up a break in the fifth.
The population of Australia is 22-23 million. To have almost 2 million people watching a tennis match that didn't involve an Australian player at 1.30am is incredible. Irrespective of where it is rated by December, those are impressive numbers that will put a big smile on the face of the ATP. ;)

blackwell
01-31-2012, 05:47 PM
It was not tennis.. thanks to nadal

r2473
01-31-2012, 06:03 PM
I agree with almost everything you said except this bolded part. I watched that match live and guess what, I would watch that match - WHOLE MATCH again. It was that good. It was a match when both guys FORCED THE ISSUE. So what if there were errors? There were twice as many incredible winners and better pure shotmaking. Similarly I would watch the whole of a lot of matches from that time - say Fed-Santoro (US 05), Agassi-Fed AO 05 etc. I am sorry I recall a lot of Fed matches most :D..Point is, I will never want to watch a match like this AO final ever again.

No doubt it was a great match. I'm not questioning that. But I think people remember past matches mostly from the highlight reels. Its like saying Mike Tyson simply destroyed every opponent he ever faced. Well, I own the collection of each and every Tyson fight and I can tell you that is FAR from the truth.

To say the quality of tennis was "terrible" is a pretty tough statement to make. You play the conditions and the opponent in front of you. I think both did that in the highest order. There were LOTS of points won. Many of the UE's were "forced errors".

I laugh at all the proposed changes (SPEED UP THE COURTS) I keep reading. You guys have NEVER been happy and never will be. If the ATP spends their time trying to cater to a fickle public, they are only doing a fool's errand. It's impossible to feed "the many headed monster". Its never satisfied.

AnnaK_4ever
01-31-2012, 07:06 PM
So with Djokovic serving 2-4; 15-30 in the fifth when Nadal had an open court to go up 15-40 and Djokovic was looking exhausted and defeated, you KNEW Nadal was going to miss that shot and Djokovic was going to win the match? Or even if Djokovic would have been serving 15-40, you still would have said "Djokovic wins 100% sure". (Or then coudld you have said the outcome was not in doubt because Rafa was sure to win?).

Well, you are the better man. I thought Nadal had the upper hand at that moment. More the fool I.

Even at 2-4 15-30 it was clear to everyone with half a brain Djokovic would win the match. He would have won, be it best of 5, best of 7 or best of 73 sets. Nadal knew it as well so his miss was understandable. Did you even watch their last year's marathons?
As for Djoke "looking exhausted and defeated", puh-lease... It's Djoke, him playing possum doesn't fool anyone. Except you, apparently.

HKz
01-31-2012, 07:10 PM
I like dramatic matches and certainly the match had that. In terms of play, too slow for me in general as both players rely on working the points in order to play a high percentage winner.

Overall, I give the match a B- as the drama made it enjoyable enough.

MachineGun
01-31-2012, 07:14 PM
I had to wait the 3rd to see some QUALITY tennis. (Even if the 3rd set was one-sided.) And the 5th set, generally, was "Survival mode".
It became a great match, full of suspense, after the 3rd set. But really, I'm not sold on the "one of the best Grand Slams ever" statements. That was nerve-wracking (even for people who aren't fans of one of the players) and the fighting spirit was tremenduous, but that's about it.

I would give it a 7 out of 10.

r2473
01-31-2012, 08:22 PM
Even at 2-4 15-30 it was clear to everyone with half a brain Djokovic would win the match. He would have won, be it best of 5, best of 7 or best of 73 sets. Nadal knew it as well so his miss was understandable. Did you even watch their last year's marathons?
As for Djoke "looking exhausted and defeated", puh-lease... It's Djoke, him playing possum doesn't fool anyone. Except you, apparently.

Sure did. I have to say, I honestly had no idea who would win Miami when it went to the 3rd set tiebreaker. If you KNEW, well, god bless you sir.

And at 2-4; 15-30 (open court to go 15-40), the outcome was certainly "in doubt" for me. Apparantly not for you. To this half-brain (excuse me, 1/4 brain), it looked like Rafa had the momentum and would likely win. But you were not so easily fooled.

Again, too good sir. Too good.

Might I trouble you for a stock tip or two?

xdrewitdajx
01-31-2012, 08:29 PM
So with Djokovic serving 2-4; 15-30 in the fifth when Nadal had an open court to go up 15-40 and Djokovic was looking exhausted and defeated, you KNEW Nadal was going to miss that shot and Djokovic was going to win the match? Or even if Djokovic would have been serving 15-40, you still would have said "Djokovic wins 100% sure". (Or then coudld you have said the outcome was not in doubt because Rafa was sure to win?).

Well, you are the better man. I thought Nadal had the upper hand at that moment. More the fool I.

this never happened. Nadal was serving at 4-2 and was 30-15 up. And the fact several people have quoted your post and not corrected this, seems strange to me...

Moose Limb
01-31-2012, 08:34 PM
Two of the best in their professions going at it for nearly 6 hours to the point of exhaustion? Hell yes I enjoyed it. The quality of the match may not have been always excellent, but God damn, the amount of effort put in by each athlete is sufficient to make this an "enjoyable" match. Plus it was suspenseful to the very end. Even when Nole went up 2-1 I was on the edge of my seat suspecting that Rafa would use his heart and soul to even the match and he did just that. Highly enjoyable. Yeah yeah, we got the pushing and the base-lining ad nauseam, with some moon-balling for good measure...but...yeah. Sucks to be the people that did not enjoy it...I'm glad I am not to the point where such a match would be deemed unenjoyable.

r2473
01-31-2012, 09:10 PM
this never happened. Nadal was serving at 4-2 and was 30-15 up. And the fact several people have quoted your post and not corrected this, seems strange to me...

Doh!!!! That's pretty embarrassing.

At least somebody's paying attention (I'm clearly not).

incognito
02-01-2012, 01:38 AM
Doh!!!! That's pretty embarrassing.

At least somebody's paying attention (I'm clearly not).
Just underlines the point you made even more as Nadal was very clutch in his serving on important points, and 2 game points for a 5-2 lead sure looked like a Nadal victory to me at least. In fact, despite all my initial optimism for Djokovic I thought he was going to lose as soon as it went into a 5th set with Nadal fistpumping and the crowd going wild. When Nadal broke for a 4-2 lead, I had given up on the match completely and my thoughts were already drifting away from following the point-by-point score to replaying the lost opportunities of the 4th set in my head. Seeing Djokovic's box suddenly, in the corner of my eye, rise up and cheer frantically caught my attention again and surprised me quite a bit to say the least.

As for quality and suspense, the way Djokovic created the break points at 4-3* (virtual match points) in the 4th set and the way Nadal saved them is probably as good as anything you'll ever see in a GS final. The outcome of the match was hanging on a thread right there. This was followed by some big serving and big hitting in the tiebreak as well. Even deep into the 5th set (at 4-4, 5-5...), there was some big hitting and heavy exchanges as if they were fresh out of the locker-room and had just started playing. For instance, the exchange that gave Djokovic his first break point for 6-5 in the 5th set was nothing short of insane. Hell, even the 1st set which wasn't of the highest quality was nevertheless intriguing, since Nadal not only managed to grab it and take a surprise lead but he also displayed some surprise tactics from the start, such as jamming Djokovic with body serves.

I'm sure that tennis puritans can find a lot of flaws in a match between a baseliner and a grinder on a slow hardcourt, OTOH, all that matters to me is that the match was entertaining and gripping from start to end, virtually all 6 hours in fact. I often stop watching 1.5h movies midway through if they don't engage or captivate me enough. These two guys kept my attention for nearly 6 full hours with a ball and a pair of rackets, no special effects whatsoever needed, so I guess they must have been doing something right :)

HuaTuo
02-01-2012, 03:19 AM
fantastic match

Nole fan
02-01-2012, 04:28 AM
Those who didn't enjoy the final were just nostalgics of another era or rabid fedfans (90% of MTF) who are devastated that their idol is no longer at the forefront of the conversation. :shrug:

Naudio Spanlatine
02-01-2012, 04:30 AM
Amen Nole fan!;)

leng jai
02-01-2012, 04:59 AM
Those who didn't enjoy the final were just nostalgics of another era or rabid fedfans (90% of MTF) who are devastated that their idol is no longer at the forefront of the conversation. :shrug:

We should all bow down to our new Serbian overlord and his efficient brand of tennis :worship:

zcess81
02-01-2012, 07:32 AM
Who should all bow down to our new Serbian overlord and his efficient brand of tennis :worship:

Resistance is futile!

MatchFederer
02-01-2012, 07:52 AM
My view is that when a Serbian wins, the world wins with them.

tripwires
02-01-2012, 08:13 AM
We should all bow down to our new Serbian overlord and his efficient brand of tennis :worship:

This.

MatchFederer
02-01-2012, 08:22 AM
The match was enjoyable but lacking in variety, certainly. For drama I thought the match was totally epic, I've enjoyed plenty of other matches significantly more, though.

leng jai
02-01-2012, 08:26 AM
He freezes because Rafito has one of the simplest and most effective tactics against him in the history of tennis.

MatchFederer
02-01-2012, 08:28 AM
He freezes because Rafito has one of the simplest and most effective tactics against him in the history of tennis.

Wrong thread babe.