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Spanish Davis Cup dilemna

TheBoiledEgg
10-20-2004, 08:36 PM
Now who do they pick :confused: :confused:

#1 Moya injured out of form :help:
#2 Robredo ........ YES but NOT against Duckboy, probably not even against DuckGirl (is there one ??)
#3 Girly Boy..... not on clay u dont
#4 Ferrero :help: (only Poo has less confidence than him right now and thats not saying much) but it is clay
#5 Verdasco ..... not played DC :o
#6 Nadal :worship: (just hope he gets ahead of Ferrero on ranks by time of DC and everything will be fine)

I guess they are in a Sticky situation :help:

plan was working so well with Ferrero having to play on day 1 as the #2, therefore he plays Duckboy and sends him quacking.
and anyone else would win the other tie, even one of the Spanish DC captains would probably win.

2-0 on day 1 would have been "Hasta La Vista Baby"

now its :confused:

maratski
10-20-2004, 08:45 PM
Corretja, Costa, and the other oldies might still pull it off ;)

Adam Thirnis
10-20-2004, 08:48 PM
Even on clay in one-off DC matches Roddick is going to be hard to beat.

TheBoiledEgg
10-20-2004, 08:50 PM
but on the positive side
the clay isnt gonna be anything like Paris, nor are the balls

they gonna make the Courts as SLOW as possible :devil:
balls as BIG as possible ;) :devil:
and WATER the courts as MUCH as possible :devil:

eh....... and they do have leaking roofs in Spain as well ;) :devil:

Neely
10-20-2004, 09:04 PM
yeah, Spain should be careful. I think the USA in Davis Cup on clay isn't that bad how many people like to think.

Lots of people will bit themselves in their tails if USA wins the Davis Cup :rolls: I like Spain and especially Moya, but I wouldn't mind seeing a big upset in this one ;) :smoke:

roisin
10-20-2004, 09:06 PM
im actually seriously doubting if spain r gonna win this. but then again, dc brings out the best in jc. he's gotta b a cert. despite the whole losing thin.

Chloe le Bopper
10-20-2004, 09:08 PM
Why are people giving the USA more credit than they gave Spain last year? I find that extremely irritating.

Anyways,

just hope he gets ahead of Ferrero on ranks by time of DC and everything will be fine

Unless Rafa does something wicked in the next two weeks, that is going to happen. Ferrero will end the year in the top 40, Rafa probably won't.

Chloe le Bopper
10-20-2004, 09:09 PM
How funny that Robredo and Nadal are the only "for sures" at the moment.

Chloe le Bopper
10-20-2004, 09:12 PM
yeah, Spain should be careful. I think the USA in Davis Cup on clay isn't that bad how many people like to think.

Lots of people will bit themselves in their tails if USA wins the Davis Cup :rolls: I like Spain and especially Moya, but I wouldn't mind seeing a big upset in this one ;) :smoke:
I think that most people recognized that if Spain sent out a crippled team and the US played above themselves, that yes, the upset could happen. There are a select few who think that Fernando Vicente could pull this one off playing all 5 matches by himself, but those are a select few indeed.

And again... I find it very annoying that people demand respect for the US team but didnt' give Spain any last year. It's the exact same situation.

Chloe le Bopper
10-20-2004, 09:13 PM
Corretja, Costa, and the other oldies might still pull it off ;)
Costa maybe... but he won't play unless they promise him a singles spot. I'm not convinced that Corretja would beat my mother these days ;)

TheBoiledEgg
10-20-2004, 09:22 PM
I'd stil play Carlos on day 1
even with one arm and one leg, he's still better on clay than anything the US has to offer.

Still dont get why his BH is as pathetic as it is considering he is lefthanded as well, so that makes it even more confusing :o

Player #2 on day 1 is gonna be the big match
Ferrero/Nadal vs Duckboy.

win that and its goodnight.

loeliepoelie
10-20-2004, 09:27 PM
looooool at this topic!!!

Moya might be healthy in time! It's still about 5 weeks away! And Fernando Verdasco has been playing pretty well lately, maybe he deserves a singles spot? (if moya and ferrero can't play that is, lol)

alfonsojose
10-20-2004, 09:36 PM
Conchita and Arantxa !! Vamos :tape:

Maybe even Andre will consider playing :eek:

loeliepoelie
10-20-2004, 09:41 PM
Conchita and Arantxa !! Vamos :tape:

Maybe even Andre will consider playing :eek:

:haha:

TennisLurker
10-20-2004, 09:42 PM
joan balcells and conchita martinez

alfonsojose
10-20-2004, 09:50 PM
Sergi Bruguera :yeah:

Neely
10-20-2004, 09:50 PM
And again... I find it very annoying that people demand respect for the US team but didnt' give Spain any last year. It's the exact same situation.
I can only speak for myself: not sure what you think, but I gave respect for Spain the last year. I never said the opposite (if I did, you're of course allowed to show me any indication for that...). What Spain did last year was also great.

RogiFan88
10-20-2004, 09:53 PM
AA is not playing... and he doesn't need to either... leave it to the Duck, Twins and Silverfish...

don't need to water the courts in Dec. Nature will take care of that aspect...

tangerine_dream
10-20-2004, 10:00 PM
Even with a crippled team, Spain still has the upperhand, imo. Even a sick JCF, invigorated by playing for his homecrowd for DC, could beat Andy.

Personally, I want to see a Nadal/Andy re-match. No love lost between those two after USO, eh? ;)

merle
10-20-2004, 10:02 PM
yeah, Spain should be careful. I think the USA in Davis Cup on clay isn't that bad how many people like to think.

Lots of people will bit themselves in their tails if USA wins the Davis Cup :rolls: I like Spain and especially Moya, but I wouldn't mind seeing a big upset in this one ;) :smoke:

Oh no Neely!!!!!!! DC for MOYA pretty please!!! :hearts: He has to get it!!!!! :angel:

RogiFan88
10-20-2004, 10:03 PM
tangy... your avatars get sillier all the time!! hee hee... do I miss Pandy?? not...

tennisguru
10-20-2004, 10:07 PM
Moya will be fine for davis cup on, I will still play JCF against Andy on day 1, JCF can handle davis cup pressure very well.
I will not be surprised to see spain leading 2-0 on day one.

Jorge
10-20-2004, 10:23 PM
Moyà and Nadal playing singles, Robredo/Nadal doubles, and Ferrero or Costa or Verdasco to complete the team and to be ready to play a singles rubber just in case

Chloe le Bopper
10-20-2004, 10:25 PM
I can only speak for myself: not sure what you think, but I gave respect for Spain the last year. I never said the opposite (if I did, you're of course allowed to show me any indication for that...). What Spain did last year was also great.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't mean to imply that you had done so... just that many others had :)

Chloe le Bopper
10-20-2004, 10:27 PM
Moyà and Nadal playing singles, Robredo/Nadal doubles, and Ferrero or Costa or Verdasco to complete the team and to be ready to play a singles rubber just in case
I'm not sure they should plan on using Nadal three days in a row, though. I dont' think that they should play him on day 1 for that very reason... he could be more useful on day three if need be.

Crazy_Fool
10-20-2004, 11:16 PM
I'm having serious doubts about the Spanish. Moya is out of form, Ferrero can't win a match, Robredo can't beat Roddick even on clay, Nadal well after his performance against Roddick at the US Open, then....

There's always Fish, but i don't know, right now i even think he'll beat Ferrero on clay.

Chloe le Bopper
10-20-2004, 11:18 PM
Yes, Spain is clearly going to lose 0-5. They might as well not show up.

TennisLurker
10-20-2004, 11:28 PM
moya and costa should play IMO

Crazy_Fool
10-20-2004, 11:32 PM
Yes, Spain is clearly going to lose 0-5. They might as well not show up.

Ohh the sarcasm :)

Spain will probably still win, but i was hoping they were gonna thrash them, and thats looking less likely by the day.

Deboogle!.
10-20-2004, 11:44 PM
I still don't see US winning. Bryans are still inconsistent and Andy still sucks on clay. If the US are going to win, Andy has to win both his matches and the Bryans have to win.. because look at the rest of the US team. Fish, the most likely candidate, can't win a tough match on a fast indoor court surface these days, let alone clay in the cold at sea level with 20,000 people cheering against him, Ginepri just lost to Robredo on a faster indoor surface, too. Plus even Andy, his only Davis Cup losses have been away on clay, to much much lesser clay-courters than anyone the spanish team could offer (Grosjean, whom he owns on all other surfaces, Clement, and Hrbaty), he doesn't do well on clay, he hates it, and he doesn't do well when the crowds are against him either. There's no way he'll win both his matches.

CousinVinny might be the best bet :tape:

IMO, still no chance in hell for us

alfonsojose
10-20-2004, 11:58 PM
Vinny should play :yeah: :tape:

TennisLurker
10-21-2004, 12:00 AM
vince should play for the usa, at least he is a patient baseliner, who knows how to grind.

WyveN
10-21-2004, 12:08 AM
Why are people giving the USA more credit than they gave Spain last year? I find that extremely irritating.


Because the US have a decent doubles team while Spain almost certainly had to win 3 out of the 4 singles matches.
Australia had 2 players playing well while the Spanish team looks out of sorts as of now.

Having said all that, Spain is still likely not to lose more then one match.

lizabeth..*
10-21-2004, 12:21 AM
If only they had let Verdasco play DC this year...he is playing the best tennis out of any of them...perhaps Robredo is playing the best too...and Lopez but still....he deserves to be there just as much as anyone else does. :(

Havok
10-21-2004, 12:56 AM
Who cares, they're still gonna win no matter what line-up (that is unless Robredo is put in for all 3 matches, he can fuck it up for Spain:p) And why are some of you getting such a kick out of the USA probably loosing?:scared:

Smankyou
10-21-2004, 04:22 AM
but then again, dc brings out the best in jc. he's gotta b a cert. despite the whole losing thin.

I'm going to need a translator.

loner1984
10-21-2004, 04:46 AM
I'm going to need a translator.

:haha: :rolls:

Moya, Ferrero, Nadal, Robredo and Lopez should end their year after TMS Madrid and just prepare for Davis cup. They should practice day in and day out on the surface they will be playing on to try and gain as much home cooking as possible. If I were the ESpanol team captain I'd insert Verdasco in if either Moya or Nadal are hurting.

I also agree with some of the other posters that Vince "I ain't afraid of ya" Spadea should play at least 1 rubber. Then he should battle rap fans in spanish. :boxing:

Chloe le Bopper
10-21-2004, 05:27 AM
Because the US have a decent doubles team while Spain almost certainly had to win 3 out of the 4 singles matches.
Australia had 2 players playing well while the Spanish team looks out of sorts as of now.

Having said all that, Spain is still likely not to lose more then one match.

The US has a pair who has played below themselves this year, probably because one of them is due for hip surgery sooner or later. I'm not convinced that the doubles are in the bag.

Chloe le Bopper
10-21-2004, 05:28 AM
Who cares, they're still gonna win no matter what line-up (that is unless Robredo is put in for all 3 matches, he can fuck it up for Spain:p) And why are some of you getting such a kick out of the USA probably loosing?:scared:
Probably for the same reason that some people get a kick out of Spain on grass.

Chloe le Bopper
10-21-2004, 05:29 AM
I'm going to need a translator.
I know! For christs sake, how hard is it to type out words like "are" and "you"?! Does it really save time to write "dat" instead of "that"?!

Pea
10-21-2004, 05:40 AM
Alex has been in quite good form the last few weeks. I think they'll consider him for doubles at least.

superpinkone37
10-21-2004, 06:10 AM
ive never been very optimistic about the US doing well against spain from the beginning, and i still do not think the US will win. yes, its looking a little bit better now with the spaniards far from top form, but still. the US will lose

Deboogle!.
10-21-2004, 06:15 AM
If the Sox can be 0-3, come back and win 2 games in extra innings then two games at Yankee Stadium.... anything is possible.

Zetlandsk
10-21-2004, 06:52 AM
They could play Felix Mantilla and Nico Almagro in the singles and they would win.

WyveN
10-21-2004, 06:57 AM
The US has a pair who has played below themselves this year, probably because one of them is due for hip surgery sooner or later. I'm not convinced that the doubles are in the bag.

At least the doubles is up for grabs. In Australia v Spain, Australia had the doubles in the bag.

Chloe le Bopper
10-21-2004, 08:47 AM
Alex has been in quite good form the last few weeks. I think they'll consider him for doubles at least.
They'll pass up the team that won the doubles tie in the semifinals and made the semis of the USO for Alex over my dead body :devil:

Chloe le Bopper
10-21-2004, 08:50 AM
He sure should. However, Mardy can go winless for the rest of the season and Pat will still pick him :rolleyes:

Marc Rosset is Tall
10-21-2004, 08:57 AM
They could play Felix Mantilla and Nico Almagro in the singles and they would win.

Now, that would be funny. I could imagine Mantilla after saving 9 match points against Fish in the 3rd set, winning the 3rd set and then steaming to victory while Mardy just loses it, and looks dumbfounded even more so than usual.

They could use either Ventura, Carlos or Albert Costa in the singles, then with Nadal and Robredo in the doubles, they still won't lose.

Space Cowgirl
10-21-2004, 10:10 AM
[QUOTE=loner1984Moya, Ferrero, Nadal, Robredo and Lopez should end their year after TMS Madrid and just prepare for Davis cup. They should practice day in and day out on the surface they will be playing on to try and gain as much home cooking as possible. If I were the ESpanol team captain I'd insert Verdasco in if either Moya or Nadal are hurting[/QUOTE]

Moya is already doing that and according to the interview he gave after losing yesterday (on the tournament website), Ferrero is also skipping the last two tournaments to rest and then prepare.

Pea
10-21-2004, 02:26 PM
They'll pass up the team that won the doubles tie in the semifinals and made the semis of the USO for Alex over my dead body :devil:

I'm just saying if Robredo is forced to play singles, I don't think they'll make him play doubles as well.

Lalitha
10-21-2004, 02:39 PM
I think Tommy and Rafa are the only ones who are for sure going to play the tie.

silverwhite
10-21-2004, 03:05 PM
I still don't see US winning. Bryans are still inconsistent and Andy still sucks on clay. If the US are going to win, Andy has to win both his matches and the Bryans have to win.. because look at the rest of the US team. Fish, the most likely candidate, can't win a tough match on a fast indoor court surface these days, let alone clay in the cold at sea level with 20,000 people cheering against him, Ginepri just lost to Robredo on a faster indoor surface, too. Plus even Andy, his only Davis Cup losses have been away on clay, to much much lesser clay-courters than anyone the spanish team could offer (Grosjean, whom he owns on all other surfaces, Clement, and Hrbaty), he doesn't do well on clay, he hates it, and he doesn't do well when the crowds are against him either. There's no way he'll win both his matches.

CousinVinny might be the best bet :tape:

IMO, still no chance in hell for us

Unless they manage to convince Andre to play. :devil:

Deboogle!.
10-21-2004, 04:30 PM
Unless they manage to convince Andre to play. :devil:

Well he's repeatedly said he's not going to play, both according to him, PMac, and the other DC players (the Bryans said something about it), so Andre does not apear to be in the equation at all.

alfonsojose
10-21-2004, 04:43 PM
"Tati" Rascon :yeah: :tape:

silverwhite
10-21-2004, 05:30 PM
Well he's repeatedly said he's not going to play, both according to him, PMac, and the other DC players (the Bryans said something about it), so Andre does not apear to be in the equation at all.

It's the DC final afterall, and they could be desperate enough to give it a shot. Andre might be their best player on clay. :o

Experimentee
10-21-2004, 05:55 PM
I'd pick Robredo for the singles match against Fish, Verdasco to play Roddick, or maybe even Ferrero or Moya (even out of form they can beat Roddick on clay). Nadal for the other two singles, and Nadal/Robredo for doubles.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2004, 06:21 PM
silverwhite, PMac asked Andre. Andre said no, he is not going to consider it. If Andre said he would play, I'm sure Fish/Ginepri/Vinny/whoever would gladly step aside for him to play. But he doesn't want to, period, stop, the end.

Experimentee, they can't possibly have all of those people on the team. If Nadal/Robredo are the doubles team, they have two more choices for other singles players. 4 people total.

Chloe le Bopper
10-21-2004, 06:49 PM
I'm just saying if Robredo is forced to play singles, I don't think they'll make him play doubles as well.
I don't think he'll be forced to play all three days. They won't play him against Roddick.

alfonsojose
10-21-2004, 06:59 PM
Moya and Robredo have a miserable record against Andy. But i'm sure Nadal want some revenge from U.S. Open :boxing:

Ferrero Forever
10-22-2004, 11:59 AM
they need ferrero. He needs to end his year on a good note, and he's resting for long enough, so he should be fine to play. Its on clay, and we saw what ferrero did to santoro, so he can do the same to roddick. I'd make ferrero play 2 singles matches, rafa and tommy the doubles and one singles each. I'd forget about moya,because he chokes too much when it really counts. I was sure that when he lost the first rubber against france, spain had lost it.

WyveN
10-22-2004, 01:31 PM
I'd forget about moya,because he chokes too much when it really counts. I was sure that when he lost the first rubber against france, spain had lost it.

If Moya is fit there is no way they will leave him out

Action Jackson
10-22-2004, 01:41 PM
Now, that would be funny. I could imagine Mantilla after saving 9 match points against Fish in the 3rd set, winning the 3rd set and then steaming to victory while Mardy just loses it, and looks dumbfounded even more so than usual.

They could use either Ventura, Carlos or Albert Costa in the singles, then with Nadal and Robredo in the doubles, they still won't lose.

Carlos Costa that's a bit silly, even with that loud shirt he wore at the Lopez/Safin match in Madrid.

If Mantilla played singles they would win, and that scenario would be as funny as Gaudio winning RG.

Seriously, I don't see Spain losing whoever they pick in the singles as long as Robredo only plays doubles, then the cup will be going to Spain.

alfonsojose
10-22-2004, 02:35 PM
they need ferrero. He needs to end his year on a good note, and he's resting for long enough, so he should be fine to play. Its on clay, and we saw what ferrero did to santoro, so he can do the same to roddick. I'd make ferrero play 2 singles matches, rafa and nadal the doubles and one singles each. I'd forget about moya,because he chokes too much when it really counts. I was sure that when he lost the first rubber against france, spain had lost it.

Ferrero was lucky with Santoro's injury. Juan Carlos wasn't playing that good before the match was suspended

liptea
10-22-2004, 04:13 PM
Moya and Robredo have a miserable record against Andy. But i'm sure Nadal want some revenge from U.S. Open :boxing:


Except Moya and Roddick have always played on hard courts. And the scores have always been close (Moya has served for the match Twice...). On the slowest, most watered down clay possible.....Moya should have a BIG advantage.

Pea
10-22-2004, 05:03 PM
Carlos Costa that's a bit silly, even with that loud shirt he wore at the Lopez/Safin match in Madrid.

If Mantilla played singles they would win, and that scenario would be as funny as Gaudio winning RG.

Seriously, I don't see Spain losing whoever they pick in the singles as long as Robredo only plays doubles, then the cup will be going to Spain.

I agree with this. :devil:

*M*
10-22-2004, 05:58 PM
Here's Mardy's take:

Mardy Fish says the U.S. beating Spain on red clay in the Davis Cup final is not only a possibility but a reality: "Andy (Roddick) and the Bryan brothers haven't even lost a set yet (in a Davis Cup match) this year. We're extremely confident in that aspect. We don't have to beat them in an entire tournament. We don't even have to win five times...all you need is three points."

http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2004-10-21/d.php

What he says is true, yet it rubs me the wrong way. It's like Andy and the Bryans have to carry the burden of all the expectations and pressure.

Vladimir Poutine
10-23-2004, 05:45 AM
Carlos Costa that's a bit silly, even with that loud shirt he wore at the Lopez/Safin match in Madrid.

If Mantilla played singles they would win, and that scenario would be as funny as Gaudio winning RG.

Seriously, I don't see Spain losing whoever they pick in the singles as long as Robredo only plays doubles, then the cup will be going to Spain.

That's very true.

Deboogle!.
10-23-2004, 06:16 AM
What he says is true, yet it rubs me the wrong way. It's like Andy and the Bryans have to carry the burden of all the expectations and pressure.

He's not stupid, he knows he sucks really really hard on red clay. He actually gave a full press conference about it
http://asapsports.com/tennis/2004madrid/102004MF.html

Vladimir Poutine
10-23-2004, 06:18 AM
If PMac is serious then he should play Spadea, at least Vinny will fight and grind and probably would love that everyone boos him, but that won't be happening.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-23-2004, 08:18 AM
Tommy :drool: can't play against Roddick, but he can did it against Fish. :rocker2: Also if Moya's injury recovers,he should be against both Roddick and Fish,he did the great results in DC although he lost last time,I still have many confidence in him. :yeah::worship: Nadal will play other rubber,he was full of energy and passion to play the match, :rocker: also he and Tommy is the most suitable choice to play the doubles. :tennis: Verdasco can be as a reserve if other spaniards get injuries!!!Ferrero will be last suitable choice I have to say, :tape: he didn't play the match aggressively and is out of energy to keep winning the last set to cause his opponent fight back from several sets! :help:

Lalitha
10-23-2004, 08:42 AM
If Mantilla played singles they would win, and that scenario would be as funny as Gaudio winning RG.



So true.

Seriously, I don't see Spain losing whoever they pick in the singles as long as Robredo only plays doubles, then the cup will be going to Spain

I'm not so sure about this. :scratch:

*M*
10-23-2004, 05:04 PM
He's not stupid, he knows he sucks really really hard on red clay. He actually gave a full press conference about it
http://asapsports.com/tennis/2004madrid/102004MF.html
You're right -- he doesn't come off sounding too confident (about himself). Thanks for the link -- better to see his comments in context.

Deboogle!.
10-23-2004, 05:14 PM
You're right -- he doesn't come off sounding too confident (about himself). Thanks for the link -- better to see his comments in context.

Mardy's not confident in himself about anything - that's probably the biggest problem in his game right now, DC/clay or otherwise lol.

I agree with everyone who says Vinny is the only sensible choice since Andre doesn't want to play. But time and again, PMac has said he likes the team unity. Well lucky for Mardy, of all the players in 'contention' (Robby, Taylor, Vince, and himself), he's Andy's closest friend. I think PMac also feels a bit obligated to Mardy because he came through so well last year in Slovakia after Andy crapped out. So on some level PMac knows without Mardy winning that match last year they wouldn't even have been in the World Group this year. I think he feels like he owes it to Mardy to let him play. That said, Mardy's game is so not suited to clay. His movement (or lack thereof?) is the worst part of his game, sometimes it doesn't even look like he moves his feet. He's simply the wrong choice for the team. Vinny's results on clay aren't wonderful eithe but he has been in much better form all year long and at least his game is theoretically suited better to clay.

Leo
10-23-2004, 06:57 PM
They should put Moya (assuming he's healthy) and Robredo as singles on the first day. Moya is the highest ranked and Robredo is playing the best of late.

Leo
10-23-2004, 07:00 PM
Mardy's not confident in himself about anything - that's probably the biggest problem in his game right now, DC/clay or otherwise lol.

I agree with everyone who says Vinny is the only sensible choice since Andre doesn't want to play. But time and again, PMac has said he likes the team unity. Well lucky for Mardy, of all the players in 'contention' (Robby, Taylor, Vince, and himself), he's Andy's closest friend. I think PMac also feels a bit obligated to Mardy because he came through so well last year in Slovakia after Andy crapped out. So on some level PMac knows without Mardy winning that match last year they wouldn't even have been in the World Group this year. I think he feels like he owes it to Mardy to let him play. That said, Mardy's game is so not suited to clay. His movement (or lack thereof?) is the worst part of his game, sometimes it doesn't even look like he moves his feet. He's simply the wrong choice for the team. Vinny's results on clay aren't wonderful eithe but he has been in much better form all year long and at least his game is theoretically suited better to clay.

Definitely! Spadea would be the smarter choice. Fish got to play in the last couple of ties. Now it's time to put in the players that have at least a remote chance to win on clay.

Deboogle!.
10-23-2004, 07:01 PM
They should put Moya (assuming he's healthy) and Robredo as singles on the first day. Moya is the highest ranked and Robredo is playing the best of late.

Robredo playing singles on the first day would mean he plays Roddick... :tape: Regardless of how well Tommy is playing, considering his history with Andy (which includes a match on red clay in Europe), is that really a good idea? A sub-par Ferrero would have a better chance against Andy IMO. Then again, it's Davis Cup and on his home turf, I guess it'd be Tommy's best chance of beating Andy ;)

Leo
10-23-2004, 07:06 PM
Oh yes, I forgot about the Roddick factor with Tommy. But I mean, Ferrero losing 3 and 1 to Horna? I think I would give Robredo a better chance. He's significantly better than the last time they met on clay (TMS Rome 2002), and I'm pretty sure Roddick hasn't done that well in a large clay court tournament since.

Deboogle!.
10-23-2004, 07:11 PM
The difference is Andy's confidence (his biggest problem on clay, IMO). He knows he can beat Tommy, and on clay no less. he knows he's never lost a set to him and can use that to his advantage. To me that could be the difference - he knows that ferrero and Moya are among the best clay-courters in the world, and that could be enough to give Ferrero the win even if he's not at his best either. I think it would not be the brightest decision to put Tommy in against Andy on Day 1. I, personally, would be very happy to see this, however ;) Of course Robredo could win - much stranger things have happened in DC and Andy has lost to people in DC on clay who he's never lost to anywhere else - but on paper you've gotta think that the Spanish captain will try to avoid Tommy and Andy playing each other lol

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-23-2004, 08:00 PM
Oh yes, I forgot about the Roddick factor with Tommy. But I mean, Ferrero losing 3 and 1 to Horna? I think I would give Robredo a better chance. He's significantly better than the last time they met on clay (TMS Rome 2002), and I'm pretty sure Roddick hasn't done that well in a large clay court tournament since.

Yep,I damn agree with you!!! :rocker2: If I were captain I probably give Tommy :hearts: a chance,he is better than someone now,also he may beat Roddick on clay this time! :boxing: But in fact they will pick Ferrero play against Roddick whatever Ferrero's status is!Of course I want Ferrero will play better in the future! :music:


but on paper you've gotta think that the Spanish captain will try to avoid Tommy and Andy playing each other lol

They will avoid for sure,they hardly give him a chance, :fiery: for instance,I think if they picked Tommy played 4th rubber,he is capable of beating Clement too even though Nadal is better in the doubles.Also if Ferrero is fit,they even might not let Tommy play the dead rubber. :rolleyes: He seems to be a reserve only,let alone this time. :o If they will pick Tommy plays against Fish,I would thank god! :worship:

Chloe le Bopper
10-23-2004, 08:09 PM
As much as I like Robredo, if the Captains were actually dumb enough to throw him in against Roddick, I'd probably just give up all faith and start rooting for the USA, who was clearly smart enough to pay the Spanish Captains off to allow for that to happen.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-23-2004, 09:01 PM
I just said nonsense,I never be their captains, :smoke: I know they definitely won't pick Tommy :drool: plays against Roddick unless it's the dead rubber,then maybe...Now I consider should Juan :hearts: play against Roddick more than that nonsense?He is not well recently but he played well on clay. :rocker2: Those captain are really hard to make decision this time. :awww:

propi
10-23-2004, 10:43 PM
I hope Tommy plays first day single with Moyá and second day doubles leaving Moya and Ferrero for last day :)
Tommy has never beaten Andy yet because they ever met in Roddick's territories, I'm sure next time they face each other on clay Tommy will beat him. He has developed this year as player much more than in the past years, so if that Rome meeting was today and not 2 years ago, the winner would be Tommy :)

Jogg
10-23-2004, 10:54 PM
[QUOTE=propi]Tommy has never beaten Andy yet because they ever met in Roddick's territoriesQUOTE]

i don't think they will risk it even on clay purely because i think roddick would feel more confident against Tommy than he would against either JC or Nadal.
i can't see them changing the line up from the semis unless there is an injury

Deboogle!.
10-23-2004, 10:58 PM
you also have JC who's saying "I'm gonna take the rest of the year off to rest and train really hard for Davis Cup" - I'm thinking he wouldn't bother doing that if he thought he'd be let off the team?

Chloe le Bopper
10-23-2004, 10:59 PM
Ferrero is absolutely going to make the team, unless he's too injured to play. That isn't even worth discussing. Same goes for Moya. The lineup will only change if one of those guys can't play.

Vladimir Poutine
10-24-2004, 05:06 AM
I'm not so sure about this. :scratch:

As long as Robredo doesn't play singles against Roddick, then they could pick Mantilla and Costa and they would win the Davis Cup.