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If Murray never wins a Grand Slam, what will be the biggest reason?

Mongoose
01-30-2012, 06:46 PM
i'll say Djokovic #1 reason with video games a close second

r2473
01-30-2012, 06:47 PM
Failing to win 3 sets in a Slam final.

I guarantee you that if he is able to do this, it won't be long after that he wins his first slam.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-30-2012, 06:49 PM
Himself for behaving and living like a 17 year old, and of course the better players.

Logical
01-30-2012, 06:50 PM
strong era.

Sonja1989
01-30-2012, 06:51 PM
Pressure :shrug:

sexybeast
01-30-2012, 06:54 PM
The biggest reason will obviously be that he peaked in an era when he had to beat 2 legends back to back to win a slam.

The reason he cant beat 2 legends (I say legends expecting Djokovic to win CYGS and atleast 8 slams) is that he is not mentally strong enought, but he got the talent.

It needs to be added that few players would be able to beat Agassi and Sampras back to back in Sampras' era or Borg and Connors back to back (sure, Mcenroe did it but I dont think Murray is that talented). Murray is one unlucky fella, that is all. He would probably win 4-5 slams in the early 2000s.

zcess81
01-30-2012, 06:54 PM
His mind. That is the only thing that you really are in control of during the match. If you can control the mind it doesn't matter who is on the other side of the net, or what the tension of your racket is, or who is in your box. Murray's mind is what stands between him and a grand slam...for now. This may sound like a simple answer, but it is usually the simplest things that are hardest to control.

Sunset of Age
01-30-2012, 07:00 PM
I think he came pretty close to reaching the final at this AO, and who knows what would have happened there. He's playing well at the moment and his mindset seems to be a lot more positive ("I feel proud about what I've achieved" he said after his lost semi).
Streaks won't last forever. Fed's didn't, Rafa's didn't, and neither will Djoko's. It will only take a little glitch for either of those players and his chances of taking a GS will increase massively.

Sorry, but I am most definitely NOT ruling out Murray for a GS title in the (near) future.

alfonsojose
01-30-2012, 07:03 PM
The curse of "Andy". Andy Roddick faced JesusFed, Andy Murray faces HolyNole, Pocahontas and Declinerer :shrug:

Allez
01-30-2012, 07:07 PM
Unfortunately for Murray Nole is younger and much stronger. Nadal is only a year older. That said, Murray's fate is in his hands. He has what it takes to win not one, not two but as many as three slams.

zcess81
01-30-2012, 07:10 PM
I think he came pretty close to reaching the final at this AO, and who knows what would have happened there. He's playing well at the moment and his mindset seems to be a lot more positive ("I feel proud about what I've achieved" he said after his lost semi).
Streaks won't last forever. Fed's didn't, Rafa's didn't, and neither will Djoko's. It will only take a little glitch for either of those players and his chances of taking a GS will increase massively.

Sorry, but I am most definitely NOT ruling out Murray for a GS title in the (near) future.

Yeah, but what are the chances that ALL OF THEM have "a little glitch" in the same grand slam? Very slim indeed. Murray's problem isn't Rafa, Nole or Fed: his problem is that he has to face two of them in a same grand slam. Can Murray play two LONG 5 set matches against Fed/Nole/Rafa? And I don't mean physically, I mean can he mentally hang in there for 9 hours during semis/finals? Of course, Murray can get lucky and Nole/Rafa/Fed don't even reach semis/finals due to bad form/injuries...then "his chances of taking a GS will increase massively."

jrm
01-30-2012, 07:16 PM
imagine that ... others are better?

Sunset of Age
01-30-2012, 07:24 PM
Yeah, but what are the chances that ALL OF THEM have "a little glitch" in the same grand slam? Very slim indeed.

Uhm, two of these guys will always be on the other side of the draw. Those two may well tire each other out in their semifinal, just to name one possible factor - Djokovic encountered quite a bit of that in this AO's semi, I'm pretty sure that his heavy semi contributed to the fact that he wasn't at his 100% best in the final against Rafa... who, if he'd only managed to hold his serve, would have ended up being the winner of it all. ;)

Murray's problem isn't Rafa, Nole or Fed: his problem is that he has to face two of them in a same grand slam. Can Murray play two LONG 5 set matches against Fed/Nole/Rafa? And I don't mean physically, I mean can he mentally hang in there for 9 hours during semis/finals? Of course, Murray can get lucky and Nole/Rafa/Fed don't even reach semis/finals due to bad form/injuries...then "his chances of taking a GS will increase massively."

The other three face the exact same problems. And however much people now seem to believe that we're going to see Djoko-Rafa finals until the Mayan Calender indeed comes true, I'm willing to take a risk and say that such will not be the case. ;)
A lot of 'unexpected' things can happen in tennis - and the funny thing is, once in a while, they do.

Gagsquet
01-30-2012, 07:29 PM
Videogames is a good reason

zcess81
01-30-2012, 07:36 PM
Uhm, two of these guys will always be on the other side of the draw. Those two may well tire each other out in their semifinal, just to name one possible factor - Djokovic encountered quite a bit of that in this AO's semi, I'm pretty sure that his heavy semi contributed to the fact that he wasn't at his 100% best in the final against Rafa... who, if he'd only managed to hold his serve, would have ended up being the winner of it all. ;)



The other three face the exact same problems. And however much people now seem to believe that we're going to see Djoko-Rafa finals until the Mayan Calender indeed comes true, I'm willing to take a risk and say that such will not be the case. ;)
A lot of 'unexpected' things can happen in tennis - and the funny thing is, once in a while, they do.

Had Murray beaten Nole in that semi after nearly 5 hours, do you really think he would have beaten Rafa in the final if it went to 5 sets? Who would you put your money on? That's exactly what I'm talking about, we have witnessed that even tired Nole/Rafa are very, very good mentally. So if Murray faces Fed in semis, and then "tired" Nole/Rafa in the final, that still is a HUGE obstacle for Andy, mentally. Grand slams are completely different beast to masters. Murray is very successful in masters because of 3 set match format. It's A LOT easier to maintain focus/composure over 3 sets.

Sound2k10
01-30-2012, 07:39 PM
He should have taken control of his career a lot earlier. He didn't have any respect for his previous coaches and rightly so, and I think had he gotten Lendl or likewise in earlier he would have rocketed up much faser. Having said that atleast he has finally chosen to do so. Pressure, strong era etc. are other reasons.

Sunset of Age
01-30-2012, 07:41 PM
Had Murray beaten Nole in that semi after nearly 5 hours, do you really think he would have beaten Rafa in the final if it went to 5 sets? Who would you put your money on?

The funny thing is that I put bets on both Djoko winning it in 3 or 4, and on Nadal winning it in 5. I would have done exactly the same thing, if it had been Murray to face Nadal in that final.
(needless to further explain, I lost my cash. :angel:)

That's exactly what I'm talking about, we have witnessed that even tired Nole/Rafa are very, very good mentally. So if Murray faces Fed in semis, and then "tired" Nole/Rafa in the final, that still is a HUGE obstacle for Andy, mentally.

I don't think we actually disagree at all. Of course the mental factor for Muzza is huge - but I've seen reasons to believe he might just be improving on that matter, if only just a little bit. :)

zcess81
01-30-2012, 07:46 PM
The funny thing is that I put bets on both Djoko winning it in 3 or 4, and on Nadal winning it in 5. I would have done exactly the same thing, if it had been Murray to face Nadal in that final.
(needless to further explain, I lost my cash. :angel:)



I don't think we actually disagree at all. Of course the mental factor for Muzza is huge - but I've seen reasons to believe he might just be improving on that matter, if only just a little bit. :)

Possibly, but it's too early to tell. Murray had only one real test and that was Nole in the semis. He played great and could have won the match, but that is just one match. It's way too early to tell if Lendl is having a major effect or not. They've only been working a few weeks prior to AO. We'll know more after Wimbledon.

Branimir
01-30-2012, 07:49 PM
He simply is not good enough.

Noleta
01-30-2012, 07:59 PM
What's between his ears.

Super Djoker
01-30-2012, 08:04 PM
being a bit of a mental midget in grand slam finals!

Sophocles
01-30-2012, 08:58 PM
His forehand.

But there are signs it is improving.

Roddickominator
01-30-2012, 09:02 PM
Either his bad teeth or his giraffe neck.

ossie
01-30-2012, 09:07 PM
no forehand