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Is Novaks best surface hardcourts or clay?

2003
01-30-2012, 08:34 AM
I think even though he won Wimbledon in 2011, its far to early to say that grass was his best surface, since traditionally its been his worst.

But im sort of confused after the 2012 Australian Open where everyone is suggesting Nadal has more chance of toppling Djokovic at Roland Garros should they meet there.

Hang on, doesnt anyone remember what happened last year in the masters series? It was actually Nadal running Djokovic very close in the HC encounters. Nole actually destroyed Nadal a lot worse on clay.

Infact Nadal limped through the clay masters and very early on in RG 2010/2011 looked terrible.

I for one feel Nadal has LESS chance against Djokovic on clay then he does on hardcourt. Especially now its clear that Novak is every bit as fit as Nadal. That 5 set factor wont come into it. Infact id go so far as to say id be very shocked if Nadal even forced Djoker to 5 at Paris.

Nixer
01-30-2012, 10:08 AM
Don't mix up Rafa's chances and Novak's best surface. The best surface overall I think everyone will agree is hard. But solely against Rafa it may be clay (although to be clear, I think we still need to see best-of-5 match on it). Rafa simply can't outplay/outgrind Novak on baseline anymore, hence is trying to become more aggressive in these matches (evident from Sunday's final). This strategy is absent on clay, because Novak has even more time to return aggressive shots, while maybe Rafa hasn't yet figured out the exact clay style against him - he hasn't experienced that challenge on the surface for a while now.

Super Djoker
01-30-2012, 10:25 AM
Don't mix up Rafa's chances and Novak's best surface. The best surface overall I think everyone will agree is hard. But solely against Rafa it may be clay (although to be clear, I think we still need to see best-of-5 match on it). Rafa simply can't outplay/outgrind Novak on baseline anymore, hence is trying to become more aggressive in these matches (evident from Sunday's final). This strategy is absent on clay, because Novak has even more time to return aggressive shots, while maybe Rafa hasn't yet figured out the exact clay style against him - he hasn't experienced that challenge on the surface for a while now.

lost 4 sets and won none against novak on clay last year! I am sure this year might be different, but if anything novak dominated him on clay even more!

Sri
01-30-2012, 10:27 AM
What's the difference? They're both the same - slow as ass.. :-/

Nixer
01-30-2012, 12:17 PM
lost 4 sets and won none against novak on clay last year! I am sure this year might be different, but if anything novak dominated him on clay even more!

Okay.. is that not what I said :confused:

Tennis-Life
01-30-2012, 12:50 PM
Novak is complete player now, it means he can dominate on any surface clay, grass or hard.

BroTree123
01-30-2012, 12:54 PM
I think Nole's best surface is still hardcourt. Clay court is probably far from his best surface, but it's probably a great match up when it's against Rafa. It's easier for Novak to retrieve Rafa's balls during rallies on clay, that's for sure.

GrantOz44
01-30-2012, 01:04 PM
There's a difference? I thought they were the same thing -_-

leng jai
01-30-2012, 01:06 PM
Novak is complete player now, it means he can dominate on any surface clay, grass or hard.

:facepalm:

nastoff
01-30-2012, 01:38 PM
clay, he's won Estoril
with grass his worst surface.

EddieNero
01-30-2012, 01:45 PM
There is no sense in defining Nole's best surface through his rivalry with Nadal because Djokovic is the superior player in practically every department of the game so the type of surface has nothing to do with this.
Example?
Grass seems to be clearly Novak's worst surface and still he won the Wimbledon final pretty comfortably.

Sophocles
01-30-2012, 02:18 PM
Who cares when he's destroying Nadal everywhere?

speedballs
01-30-2012, 03:53 PM
its grass - the way he beat nadal at wimbledon was the most impressive and dominant of any of his wins over him. especially considering the way nadal was at wimbledon 2010 and 2011 to that point, and was coming off the back of winning RG

arm
01-30-2012, 03:59 PM
clay, he's won Estoril
with grass his worst surface.

:rocker: couldn't agree more.

speedballs
01-30-2012, 04:00 PM
if the grass court season was more than 2 tournaments long he'd have more achievements on it, but doesnt make him any less impressive on the surface

SheepleBuster
01-30-2012, 04:00 PM
Against Rafa? On Clay. Actually, the slow court helps Novak. It used to help Rafa but Novak does not miss at all these days and moves so well on it. He did lose to Roger on it though so he is more vulnerable there.

Sound2k10
01-30-2012, 04:26 PM
I think even though he won Wimbledon in 2011, its far to early to say that grass was his best surface, since traditionally its been his worst.

But im sort of confused after the 2012 Australian Open where everyone is suggesting Nadal has more chance of toppling Djokovic at Roland Garros should they meet there.

Hang on, doesnt anyone remember what happened last year in the masters series? It was actually Nadal running Djokovic very close in the HC encounters. Nole actually destroyed Nadal a lot worse on clay.

Infact Nadal limped through the clay masters and very early on in RG 2010/2011 looked terrible.

I for one feel Nadal has LESS chance against Djokovic on clay then he does on hardcourt. Especially now its clear that Novak is every bit as fit as Nadal. That 5 set factor wont come into it. Infact id go so far as to say id be very shocked if Nadal even forced Djoker to 5 at Paris.

Well if Nadal does decide on being more agressive like he says he wants to against Nole then I suppose clay is the most difficult to do it on, so I'm inclined to agree.

SheepleBuster
01-30-2012, 05:02 PM
It's just mindboggling to me that Nole could have had his 5th straight slam had Roger not meddled in that thing last year.

masterclass
01-30-2012, 06:08 PM
With the current Wimbledon and many of the slow hard court surfaces, there is not much difference between clay, hard, or grass.
The only different kind of courts are the kind of indoor courts say at Paris-Bercy and perhaps Cincinnati or some of the other non-Wimbledon grass court tournaments. I haven't thoroughly researched Mr. Djokovic's surface records. As far as majors go, his best slam tournament is definitely Australia at Rod Laver Arena. He has never reached the finals at Roland Garros losing to Mr. Nadal, Mr. Federer, or some other clay court adept player.

Respectfully,
masterclass

masterclass
01-30-2012, 06:17 PM
if the grass court season was more than 2 tournaments long he'd have more achievements on it, but doesnt make him any less impressive on the surface

No. He has only 1 title in his life on the grass surface, and only because it was the new Wimbledon, slower high bouncing surface.

He has 21 titles on hard (4 majors), 7 titles on clay (0 majors), 1 title on grass (1 major).

Respectfully,
masterclass

jacoblewis2008
04-20-2012, 11:42 AM
The different tennis court surfaces (http://www.decoturf.com) really affect the players differently. Rafa certainly plays best on clay.

reery
04-20-2012, 12:03 PM
His best surface are the hard courts where he's won 22 of his 30 titles.

DjokerFan3
04-20-2012, 12:14 PM
It's just mindboggling to me that Nole could have had his 5th straight slam had Roger not meddled in that thing last year.

I know, dammit Roger you party pooper, I just hope he doesn't get in the way of a RAFOLE French Open final this year, I'd be pretty annoyed if that happened again...

Sorry, back on topic: Nole's best surface is definitely hard courts :)

Filo V.
04-20-2012, 12:26 PM
Slow/medium HC is his best surface. He moves better on HC than on clay. It's easier to outhit and outmaneuver him on clay than it is on HC, as Federer and Murray both showed last year on the surface.