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This time he took TWO sets!! Is Nadal closer than ever to beating Djokovic?

out_grinder
01-29-2012, 08:19 PM
...if he keeps this up, he may take 3 next time. What do you think?

Also, who gave Djokovic a greater scare at 2012 AO;

Nadal or Murray?

selyoink
01-29-2012, 08:29 PM
He is no closer in my opinion. The set up was perfect for Nadal with Djoko having a days less rest and a marathon semi. And he failed to take advantage just like Fed at the AO against Nadal a few years ago.

shiaben
01-29-2012, 08:30 PM
Yeah he'll figure him out eventually. However, Nadal needs to get the job done in 4. If it goes to 5 he's flipping coins and taking unpredictable chances.

spencercarlos
01-29-2012, 08:33 PM
...if he keeps this up, he may take 3 next time. What do you think?

Also, who gave Djokovic a greater scare at 2012 AO;

Nadal or Murray?
Murray was 2 sets to 1 up, but was beaten easily in the third and was break point 15-40 at 5-5 in the fifth. I believe Murray was 5 points away from Victory, Nadal was 6, its too close to decide.

You got to wonder what a fresher Djokovic would have fared against Nadal, probably would have closed out that third set and not throw 3 unforced errors in 4 points to lose the tiebreak from 5-3 up.

Nadal must feel happy he got close? i think he is devastated by this loss and considering this surface is ridiculously slow and that Nole was tired going into, you can't call for a better scenario for Nadal going into this GS final.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 08:33 PM
closer than ever? People have short memory.
he has a winning H2H vs djokovic :lol:

spencercarlos
01-29-2012, 08:34 PM
Yeah he'll figure him out eventually. However, Nadal needs to get the job done in 4. If it goes to 5 he's flipping coins and taking unpredictable chances.
Its not like Nadal had the chance to get it done in 4 sets :confused: if anything he was lucky to play a fifth set today.

Jovard
01-29-2012, 08:34 PM
Nole controlled everything. Nadull has no chance to beat him. NEVER!

out_grinder
01-29-2012, 08:36 PM
closer than ever? People have short memory.
he has a winning H2H vs djokovic :lol:

Not with Djokovic 2.0 though.

Some people like to live in the past.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 08:37 PM
Not with Djokovic 2.0 though.

Some people like to live in the past.

care to add this info in the title?

Shirogane
01-29-2012, 08:37 PM
The gap is getting closer...

buzz
01-29-2012, 08:39 PM
Nole controlled everything. Nadull has no chance to beat him. NEVER!

Controlled everyting:confused: Did he want Nadal to break his knees so clay season will be a walk in the park?

ballbasher101
01-29-2012, 08:40 PM
Its not like Nadal had the chance to get it done in 4 sets :confused: if anything he was lucky to play a fifth set today.


Well put. People are forgetting how Nadal was getting destroyed from the second set until the latter stages of the 4th set. He was hanging on. The Djoker should have won in 4 but he was not clinical enough in that 4th set. He might actually be further away even though he almost fluked a win today.

shiaben
01-29-2012, 08:41 PM
Its not like Nadal had the chance to get it done in 4 sets :confused: if anything he was lucky to play a fifth set today.

I agree, but I'm just saying if he can't do it in 4, his chances are very slim.

nole_no1
01-29-2012, 08:42 PM
Is this a serious thread? :lol:

MuzzahLovah
01-29-2012, 08:44 PM
Murray defo. If Ferrer had given Nole a 5 hour marathon the match before, I think Murray would have won in 3 or 4. Murray basically tanked two sets, the first and the fourth, and still almost won the whole thing, and out-played Djoko for most of the middle of the match.

fran70
01-29-2012, 08:45 PM
I don`t think so as Nadal lost on his best territory which is to play these extended marathons. And he lost after almost 6 hours and especially considering that Djokovic`s SF match lasted more than 5 hours too. And to make matters even worse he was one break up with Djokovic running out of energy and about to colapse.

I have always admire Nadal for this courage but I had to take my hat off for Djokovic today.

Looner
01-29-2012, 08:54 PM
He took sets playing perfectly on a ridiculously slow court which suits his game against a Djoko who was making a lot more UEs than usual and who had one less rest day from a longer match. Indeed, next time RN might get an even easier draw and Djoko is forced to play Murray, Fed and Tsonga in succession so the Rafole 'rivalry' can take off. In that sense he's definitely getting closer.

hadouken!
01-29-2012, 08:56 PM
Seems like it. If they meet at the French Final I think Nadal may actually win.

MuzzahLovah
01-29-2012, 08:58 PM
He took sets playing perfectly on a ridiculously slow court which suits his game against a Djoko who was making a lot more UEs than usual and who had one less rest day from a longer match. Indeed, next time RN might get an even easier draw and Djoko is forced to play Murray, Fed and Tsonga in succession so the Rafole 'rivalry' can take off. In that sense he's definitely getting closer.

Hehehe giving Nole Hewitt, Ferrer, Murray, and Nadal in a row is a lot more difficult than it looked at the outset. Grind grind battle survive etc.

MIMIC
01-29-2012, 09:02 PM
RG will be a merciless beat down. Novak just giving Rafa false hope

samanosuke
01-29-2012, 09:05 PM
are you kidding me . nadal was serving out of his mind, nole played five hours in semis, nole almost died on the court and nadal still lost . nadal is more and more far, not closer

Warrior
01-29-2012, 09:22 PM
Maybe he's getting closer to beating Djoke. But Berdych, Murray and maybe Delpo are also closer to beating him. His time to turn in around is limited.

guga2120
01-29-2012, 09:26 PM
It was not mental, like Rome or Wimbldeon. He just got beat by the better player. Novak is #1, for a reason.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2012, 09:27 PM
...if he keeps this up, he may take 3 next time. What do you think?

Also, who gave Djokovic a greater scare at 2012 AO;

Nadal or Murray?

Don't get your hopes up. Novak was more impressive against Rafa on clay and grass than he was on hard courts. Roger saves Rafa last year or Nole would have already completed calendar year slam. Nadal is done. Do you honestly think Nadal will get better as his body starts aging fast in the next couple of years. I can see him winning maybe 3 more slams.

EddieNero
01-29-2012, 09:28 PM
Nadal played an excellent match serve-wise while Djokovic was mediocre at best, had one day less for physical recovery and still won without saving any match points.
So no, he's at the same point- stuck.

Mechlan
01-29-2012, 09:28 PM
Rafa really should have won this one. He played out of his mind in that fourth set and had all the momentum, and Djokovic was definitely not his best except in patches. I think with a fresher, healthier Djokovic, this could have been a pretty comfortable victory. The problem, which everyone else has already said, is that the conditions these days make it so that it's very difficult for someone to play "above themselves" for long enough to win against a better player/someone who has a matchup advantage. It's the reason the superior baseliner almost always wins. Much like it's tough for Federer to execute his high-risk aggressive gameplan against Nadal over 5 sets, the same way it's difficult for Nadal to try and hit winners over 5 sets against Djokovic, especially in the crucial moments in a match. I think Nadal takes a lot of positives from this match, because he played well, moved well, and was mentally excellent, but there's no guarantee all of those will be clicking again next time. It's a step in the right direction for sure, but I'm still skeptical it'll translate to success next time.

veganlunch
01-29-2012, 09:29 PM
Nadull is a choker! He choked his ass off at 4-2, 30-15. Why did his bum go at that stage?

out_grinder
01-29-2012, 09:30 PM
Hehehe giving Nole Hewitt, Ferrer, Murray, and Nadal in a row is a lot more difficult than it looked at the outset. Grind grind battle survive etc.

That is a draw from hell actually.

Those are all some of the toughest players on the tour to wear down.

romismak
01-29-2012, 09:36 PM
No he is not getting closer, he was playing great whole AO, his defense unbelievable, he was getting everyting back, more agressive than before, better serving and still it should have been defeat in 4 sets, he was lucky that Nole wasted so many BP´s and choked that 0-40 lead and TB. And this was against Nole after that SF with Murray with some breathing issues- at least he said he is allergic to some flowers there. So imagine 100% healthy Novak - with a lot of rest to play Rafa say on medium fast HC. It would be straight sets. Hope USO will be quicker than last year and he will destroy him there unless he will play saturday 5 sets with Murray and than sunday final against rested Rafa.

Sophocles
01-29-2012, 09:37 PM
It depends. I don't think Djoker's form was that impressive in this tournament and if his form continues to drop, AND he develops M.E., he could conceivably be beaten by Nadal in a parallel universe.

TheFearlessOne
01-29-2012, 09:38 PM
It was not mental, like Rome or Wimbldeon. He just got beat by the better player. Novak is #1, for a reason.

I actually think it was very mental. Nadal had several chances to win it in the fifth, and even to break back when he was 6-5 down, but he threw away those chances. He realized he actually had a chance to do it after he was pretty much gifted the fourth and Novak was absolutely exhausted, but he choked and failed to finish it off. In my opinion, the 6-0 record last year was what won Novak this AO. He played superbly in 2nd and 3rd set, but in the end, he was helped over the line by that record.

romismak
01-29-2012, 09:48 PM
Hehehe giving Nole Hewitt, Ferrer, Murray, and Nadal in a row is a lot more difficult than it looked at the outset. Grind grind battle survive etc.

Agree with this, Everyone is looking just on that Rafa-Andy back to back, but really you can see the difference, early round Nole was bagelling his opponents, but than it get serious, his form maybe wasn´t best but Hewit and Ferrer back to back on such slow HC - both in form logically, because made it so far ,really tough. Hewitt is one of the biggest fighters out there, was playing home, always his game was about speed and counter-punching redirecting pace, defense and Ferrer is i think the fittest player on the tour from those older guys, he is just muscles and stamina, can run forever-the WALL. I was hoping he would beat them in straight sets i was aware what a danger they are for next round that they can wear him down. Hewitt should have been defeated in straight sets, but got away with one set and wear Nole down little bit more than he should and Ferrer for god sake was beaten in straight sets otherwise he could help a lot Murray for SF.

Mosquito3
01-29-2012, 09:56 PM
I've seen Djoker playing a little worse and Nadal beeing more solid than in the USO. I predicted Nadal to win in 3 so, honestly, Djoker impressed me today.
He is not only mentally freaking strong, but he is technically superior to Nadal.
That said, yes, today Rafael was closer to beating Nole.