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Do you consider Novak Djokovic as a legend in the game?

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Nole Rules
01-29-2012, 07:19 PM
IMO he is already a legend in the game and he can be greater.

Sound2k10
01-29-2012, 07:22 PM
Not yet. Don't forget a year ago Djokovic only had 1 slam and really wasn't doing anything special. A lot can change in a year and he'll need to keep it up for much longer but he's well on his way. Although I hope Murray can step up and challenge him for slams on a regular basis.

Roamed
01-29-2012, 07:22 PM
He's a great player. Not yet a legend. Legend status is reached at 8+ slams in my opinion.

Fujee
01-29-2012, 07:23 PM
He's a great player. Not yet a legend. Legend status is reached at 8+ slams in my opinion.

not true, santoro is a legend and he has 0 slams :)

ballbasher101
01-29-2012, 07:25 PM
He's a great player. Not yet a legend. Legend status is reached at 8+ slams in my opinion.


This. He is a new version of Agassi and like Agassi he should reach 8 majors. He needs three more majors to be considered one of the greats. Of particular importance is winning the French open at least once.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2012, 07:27 PM
Bigger than Nadal. Absolutely.

MatchFederer
01-29-2012, 07:27 PM
Yes, I do. I think these Slams are more impressive feats than what Agassi was doing in the late 90's earlier 2000's. Agassi is still greater no problem but Nole is already taking on an aura of legendary proportions. To me, he's already a legend.

Nole Rules
01-29-2012, 07:29 PM
He's a great player. Not yet a legend. Legend status is reached at 8+ slams in my opinion.

So McEnroe is not a legend in your opinion?

EddieNero
01-29-2012, 07:30 PM
If he completes Nadal Slam at RG I'd definitely consider him as a legend. Beating Rafa in every slam final is absolutely exceptional.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2012, 07:31 PM
So McEnroe is not a legend in your opinion?

He is American, isn't he? That disqualifies him. :devil:

romismak
01-29-2012, 07:31 PM
I think he is, the way he dominates one of best players ever, the way he dethrone Roger-Rafa from No.1 and slams, end their duopoly he is, btw for comparing since when was Rafa legend? i don´t know if 5 is too low number, maybe yes but i still feel-his last 3 slams were special in history-winning Wimbledon against defending champion and becoming No.1 on surface you are worst, than winning USO being down 2MP , greatest player is serving and than you beat Rafa in at that time most physicall demanding match of his life probably - so basically taking down 2 all time greats one from 2mP and 0:2 on sets and the other one defending champion in super physically demanding match. And now AO, that SF-F combo is comparable to Rafa´s SF-F combo in 09. those 3 slams are one of best achievements in history i think.

NID
01-29-2012, 07:32 PM
5 slams
3 slams in a row
5 MS tournaments in a year, a lot of them altogether
one of the longest winning streaks in history
a lot of epic matches with his main rivals, some won, some lost...but a LOT of them absolute thrillers.

'legend' is just a label. different people will ascribe it a different meaning and set a different threshold for earning that label.
he is one of the all time open era greats already. hopefully, this is not his last achievement. not bad for someone who was labelled a one-slam-wonder year and a half ago.

Capuccino
01-29-2012, 07:33 PM
He is absolutelutely a legend

Sophocles
01-29-2012, 07:33 PM
Yes, for ending the Fedal duopoly he is already a legend. Rene Lacoste didn't win 18 slams but he's still a legend for getting the better of Bill Tilden.

Branimir
01-29-2012, 07:34 PM
Nole is legends' legend.

MuzzahLovah
01-29-2012, 07:34 PM
Maybe he'll become one in his own right, but right now he's mostly known for his achievements in the Fedal era, rather than setting his own era. It may certainly be on it's way though.

MIMIC
01-29-2012, 07:34 PM
3 slams in a row = automatic legend, IMO...especially the manner in which he did it. Gutsy, ballsy, fiery performances in all slams.

He's not a SLAM legend per se, but definitely a TENNIS legend.

sammy01
01-29-2012, 07:36 PM
my own personal standard for 'legend' is 7 slams, surely he will make it.

ballbasher101
01-29-2012, 07:36 PM
So McEnroe is not a legend in your opinion?


The likes of McEnroe and Connors were big personalities that transcended tennis. There have been better tennis players than those 2 but most people who don't even watch tennis know who they are.

Hypnotize
01-29-2012, 07:38 PM
He took tennis to a new level today and I think he is now a legend.

Sapeod
01-29-2012, 07:38 PM
No, he's not even close to being considered "a legend".

MatchFederer
01-29-2012, 07:40 PM
3 slams in a row = automatic legend, IMO...especially the manner in which he did it. Gutsy, ballsy, fiery performances in all slams.

He's not a SLAM legend per se, but definitely a TENNIS legend.

Nicely put.

Time Violation
01-29-2012, 07:42 PM
No, he's not even close to being considered "a legend".

Bitter as usual. Don't you have any sugar there in Scotland? :)

finishingmove
01-29-2012, 07:42 PM
He's a legend.

Some of us know it, some of us are yet to realize it, but he's a legend.

sammy01
01-29-2012, 07:43 PM
The likes of McEnroe and Connors were big personalities that transcended tennis. There have been better tennis players than those 2 but most people who don't even watch tennis know who they are.

it depends on whether you define 'legend' as the overall persona of a player or their overall achievements. both can be very different, for instance kournikova is a legend of womens tennis if we talk about transcending the sport, but obviously not one on court.

i always feel mcenroe was hugely helped to reach 'legend' status by his persona where his results lacked.

Ticker
01-29-2012, 07:49 PM
The legend is born.

http://www.dodaj.rs/f/1X/3s/1AaX6i3N/1/boss.png

Johnny Groove
01-29-2012, 07:50 PM
5 slams, around #26 of all time, short of Becker, Edberg, and Wilander, who he could all pass with a win at RG.

MatchFederer
01-29-2012, 07:51 PM
Novak is storming his way into an enviable position in the history of the sport.

NadalSharapova
01-29-2012, 07:55 PM
stupid question, of course he is a legend of the game and he will most likely become of the GOATs

Sapeod
01-29-2012, 08:00 PM
Bitter as usual. Don't you have any sugar there in Scotland? :)
Let me ask you something. Am I going to be considered "bitter as usual" until I start licking Djokovic's balls?

You can't really call me bitter for stating the obvious. He has 5 slams, big deal. Lendl, Borg, Sampras, Federer and co. have 8-16 slams. Notice the BIG difference there? Djokovic has a long way to go before he can be called a legend.

Poirot123
01-29-2012, 08:02 PM
Well he is world number 1, and there have only ever been 25 I think in total. 5 grand slams. He is close to becoming a legend if he isn't already there.

Sunset of Age
01-29-2012, 08:03 PM
Quite simple, no, not yet. He is a very remarkable tennis player and on his way to become a 'legend', but for now it's yet too soon. Of course, whatever is called a 'legend' is arbitrary, but I personally put the threshold at about 7-8 GS titles.
Should he be able to keep it going at the current rate of things, he'll be there in about six months.
Perhaps even sooner but I still believe Rafa will take RG. ;)

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 08:07 PM
Quite simple, no, not yet. He is a very remarkable tennis player and on his way to become a 'legend', but for now it's yet too soon. Of course, whatever is called a 'legend' is arbitrary, but I personally put the threshold at about 7-8 GS titles.
Should he be able to keep it going at the current rate of things, he'll be there in about six months.
Perhaps even sooner but I still believe Rafa will take RG. ;)

At juniors?

ballbasher101
01-29-2012, 08:11 PM
it depends on whether you define 'legend' as the overall persona of a player or their overall achievements. both can be very different, for instance kournikova is a legend of womens tennis if we talk about transcending the sport, but obviously not one on court.

i always feel mcenroe was hugely helped to reach 'legend' status by his persona where his results lacked.


You need both. A huge personality is important but you need the results to go with that. If you get to 6 or 7 majors and have a memorable personalty to go with those results people will idolise you forever. Kournikova is only remembered for looks, sex sells :devil:.

MatchFederer
01-29-2012, 08:15 PM
I'll put it this way, if Nole had to retire right now due to breaking his face and tailbone, would I consider him to be a tennis legend? Yes, I would!

Sapeod
01-29-2012, 08:15 PM
At juniors?
Was this supposed to be funny? Nadal's 25, so saying "in doubles" would've been better.

Sunset of Age
01-29-2012, 08:18 PM
At juniors?

A bit pathetic this reply, don't you think? :rolleyes:
It may well be that I turn out to be totally wrong, and I am fully aware that "results-of-the-past-yada-yada-yada", perhaps I'm even clutching at straws, but Rafa still is the multiple champion at RG, and I just do not see him give up that title unless a truly massive effort occurs from some other player. That other player may or may not be Djokovic, as just for a reminder, there are still other players in the mix as well.

NadalSharapova
01-29-2012, 08:21 PM
At juniors?

most stupid comment to say since rafa has won 6 RG titles out of 7 years.

This year will be tough but there is probably only 1 person that can beat him

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 08:22 PM
Was this supposed to be funny? Nadal's 25, so saying "in doubles" would've been better.

I was referring to his chances to win that thing, kid.
:lol:

Roamed
01-29-2012, 08:23 PM
So McEnroe is not a legend in your opinion?

He's a great player whose prestige is increased by his famous personality :shrug:

NadalSharapova
01-29-2012, 08:24 PM
I was referring to his chances to win that thing, kid.
:lol:

last year, his chances was virtually 100% after federer handed the title to him after beating djokovic

StoGas
01-29-2012, 08:25 PM
He's a legend only because of that he is from such small country as Serbia. Tennis wasn't very popular there untill Novak came.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 08:27 PM
last year, his chances was virtually 100% after federer handed the title to him after beating djokovic

virtually? :facepalm: OMG not another 8 year old fangirl
he won fuckin RG last year
on this note, even the most one dimensional mug almost beat him
a more or less fitt Delpo can beat him on clay, and hopefully will

NadalSharapova
01-29-2012, 08:33 PM
virtually? :facepalm: OMG not another 8 year old fangirl
he won fuckin RG last year
on this note, even the most one dimensional mug almost beat him
a more or less fitt Delpo can beat him on clay, and hopefully will

well u better hope federer doesn't make the final with nadal.

i said virtually 100% BEFORE the final even started. if djokovic reached the final, nadal would have been the underdog.

rocketassist
01-29-2012, 08:34 PM
Nearly there. One more puts him on Edberg and Becker's tally and they're considered legends sooooo...

MatchFederer
01-29-2012, 08:37 PM
Nearly there. One more puts him on Edberg and Becker's tally and they're considered legends sooooo...

Yes at the very very least he is 'nearly there'.

Linguae^
01-29-2012, 08:38 PM
Yes, he is a legend. He's done a magnificent thing so far.

Sapeod
01-29-2012, 08:42 PM
I was referring to his chances to win that thing, kid.
:lol:
And you used juniors as a way of saying this? It was obviously supposed to be funny, which it failed at being.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 08:45 PM
And you used juniors as a way of saying this? It was obviously supposed to be funny, which it failed at being.

:facepalm: It was not a joke. I understand that you are confused after such beating but being this ignorant is scary. :lol:

Petrovic
01-29-2012, 08:46 PM
Records show that Joker is a legend...
He also took Serbia to Davis Cup victory...

NadalSharapova
01-29-2012, 08:47 PM
:facepalm: It was not a joke. I understand that you are confused after such beating but being this ignorant is scary. :lol:

but being retarded is more scary

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 08:48 PM
but being retarded is more scary

calm down you gloryhunter fangirl :lol:
I know it's tough to see your dream boy lose again but try to deal with it.

Sapeod
01-29-2012, 08:55 PM
:facepalm: It was not a joke. I understand that you are confused after such beating but being this ignorant is scary. :lol:
I see, so you made an idiotic comment, yet it wasn't a joke? That doesn't bode well for you.

out_grinder
01-29-2012, 09:12 PM
Legend status is achieved at 25+ slams.

No mens player is a legend yet.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 09:13 PM
Legend status is achieved at 25+ slams.

No mens player is a legend yet.

:worship:

ssin
01-29-2012, 09:17 PM
Not yet, but coming close. Winning FO would certainly make a strong argument for the case, but anyway, even without it, he should have at least 3 good years more, so plenty of time.

yuri27
01-29-2012, 09:19 PM
If he wins the next FO, he will be,without any doubt.
Very few players have won the 4 GSs in history.

Yolita
01-29-2012, 09:33 PM
It's not all about number of slams. The way he broke the Fedal duopoly to leap-frog them and take the #1 ranking spot after 7 years in their hands was amazing. Both Roger and Rafa are still beating everybody else (hence their #2 rankings) and are fighting for every title. So everything that Novak has won, he has had to fight two of the best players of all time to get. Nothing has been given to him. That alone would have been enough to make him a legend. The man to beat Fedal.

Add leading his country to a Davis Cup title, 5 Grand Slams, 5 masters in a year and 3 Grand Slams in a row and all these epic battles ...

Even if he were to stop playing right now he would be considered a legend. No question about it.

Nole Rules
01-29-2012, 09:37 PM
It's not all about number of slams. The way he broke the Fedal duopoly to leap-frog them and take the #1 ranking spot after 7 years in their hands was amazing. Both Roger and Rafa are still beating everybody else (hence their #2 rankings) and are fighting for every title. So everything that Novak has won, he has had to fight two of the best players of all time to get. Nothing has been given to him. That alone would have been enough to make him a legend. The man to beat Fedal.

Add leading his country to a Davis Cup title, 5 Grand Slams, 5 masters in a year and 3 Grand Slams in a row and all these epic battles ...

Even if he were to stop playing right now he would be considered a legend. No question about it.


Totally agree with you. You only forgot to mention the streak.:p

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 09:40 PM
Legendary faker, no doubt.

xdrewitdajx
01-29-2012, 09:46 PM
No, he's not even close to being considered "a legend".

is Boris Becker a legend?

tyruk14
01-29-2012, 09:48 PM
my own personal standard for 'legend' is 7 slams, surely he will make it.

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/1243004.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD9E3357457EC1F8CD 6915FA6042D0242AD3C491D99320150AA7CFF610D5B4FC25

:wavey:

No, he's not even close to being considered "a legend".

He destroys the current competition. He's a dick, but he's still a legend.

Jovard
01-29-2012, 09:49 PM
Yes, he is a legend

munZe konZa
01-29-2012, 10:00 PM
He is a legend killer

sexybeast
01-29-2012, 10:18 PM
This. He is a new version of Agassi and like Agassi he should reach 8 majors. He needs three more majors to be considered one of the greats. Of particular importance is winning the French open at least once.

I personaly feel Djokovic is greater than Agassi mostly because he is such a mental giant, almost unlike anything I have ever seen on the mental department, if you take into consideration the endurance and long battle style he got. Sampras was amazing in finding the right shot at the right time when under pressure but Djokovic got the combination of endurance and mental strength which is simply exceptional.

Macbrother
01-29-2012, 10:25 PM
Really a matter of semantics and how one distinguishes "legendary" from "great." Personally I reserve legendary for those few are, or were at the absolute pinnacle of their sport in its entire history, Djkovic certainly isn't there yet but is "great" without question. His combination of peerless athleticism, mental toughness, and a technically flawless baseline game in a baseline era could lead to a serious assault on history however if he can keep it up.

Orka_n
01-29-2012, 10:27 PM
To me he is not yet a legend but he is getting there.

shiaben
01-29-2012, 10:28 PM
He's a legend for me.

guga2120
01-29-2012, 10:29 PM
Yes, of course.

Mosquito3
01-29-2012, 10:37 PM
Not yet but he is on the right way. That said, his winning streak will be remembered for a long time

tektonac
01-29-2012, 11:28 PM
nole invented the word 'legend'.

rinnegan
01-30-2012, 01:55 AM
Yes, he already is. In a couple of decades, he will also become the first former No. 1 to be elected president of his country.

KarlyM
01-30-2012, 03:53 AM
Not right now, but he VERY likely will be. ;)
(I consider a legend = 7-8+ slams.)

xargon
01-30-2012, 04:25 AM
I say yes. He even made Laver's list of top ten greats. Laver must see something in him already now.

Jaz
01-30-2012, 04:28 AM
A good player.

Can't really call him a legend at this stage. I wouldn't even call Nadal a legend until he got to his 30's.

luie
01-30-2012, 04:29 AM
His complete and utter Domination of nadull the disgusting moonballer is legendary ,,, nadull is the first player in history to lose 3 straight GS finals,, if this keeps up he could have the worst losing streak for all-time greats,

swisht4u
01-30-2012, 04:33 AM
The way he took down Nadal after Nadal had his best year will be talked about for years to come.

7 straight wins over a legend in his prime is very serious historically and with 3 straight slams and 4 straight masters, 2 of the masters against the best clay courter of all time on clay.
He also beat Fed and Murray at slams to get at Nadal.


I have a strong feeling there's more to come.

Not a legend yet.

abraxas21
01-30-2012, 05:22 AM
he'll be forgotten in ten years' time

leng jai
01-30-2012, 05:24 AM
he'll be forgotten in ten years' time

That long bro? :sad:

petar_pan
01-30-2012, 11:37 AM
5 slams, around #26 of all time, short of Becker, Edberg, and Wilander, who he could all pass with a win at RG.

Wilander has 7 Majors, while Becker and Edberg has 6. And that is tennis, Becker and Edberg considered alot bigger legends than Wilander. Becker is one of the Wimbledon's all-time greats like Edberg is one of all-tennis greats. He can tight on RG with them but he will need more GS to actually surpass them. I think Rafa will atleast win one Major this season (RG and one the other two).

He is very close to become a legend.

Super Djoker
01-30-2012, 11:38 AM
He is not a legend but he is a more succesful player that Hewitt, Murray and Roddick put together! 10 masters titles 5 slams 1 tour finals and a davis cup! not a legend but he is rapidly carving his place in history, that is fact!

Super Djoker
01-30-2012, 11:41 AM
Not a Legend but he is rapidly carving his place in Tennis history. undoubtebly

Shinoj
01-31-2012, 08:50 AM
Fuckin YES.

Super Djoker
01-31-2012, 10:54 AM
Let me ask you something. Am I going to be considered "bitter as usual" until I start licking Djokovic's balls?

You can't really call me bitter for stating the obvious. He has 5 slams, big deal. Lendl, Borg, Sampras, Federer and co. have 8-16 slams. Notice the BIG difference there? Djokovic has a long way to go before he can be called a legend.

murray has 0 ! still think he,ll win more than Djokovic?:hysteric:

Nole Rules
07-04-2012, 08:28 PM
One more GS title will end this debate. Already most ppl consider him as a legend in the game as the poll shows.

Mark Lenders
07-04-2012, 08:30 PM
Needless question, of course he is. And he will hopefully keep adding to that legend.

rocketassist
07-04-2012, 08:31 PM
Probably one slam away. Becker and Edberg are legends and they have six.

Filo V.
07-04-2012, 08:31 PM
Most definitely, without question.

romismak
07-04-2012, 08:36 PM
With 6 slams he will be up there with few of greatest players ever, also he has many other accomplishments that shold be mentioned, i think if he will make USO QF he will tie Lendl´s QF streak record which is best after Roger´s, than i think he is youngest guy to reach all slam SF´s in open era and many more, hope 1 day he will win that RG trophy and really be among greatest ever without no doubts.

Julián Santiago
07-04-2012, 08:39 PM
Of course Djokovic is actually a legend.

And he can only increase his achievements in order to be in the select group of the greatest of all time.

But that´s very dificult. Anyway, if he stops winning right now and retires, he will remain as a legend.

Come on, he is not Rafter, Ríos, Kafelnikov, etc.

Bigger than Nadal. Absolutely.

I`m not a Nadal fan at all really. But this is not true.

finishingmove
07-04-2012, 08:44 PM
His legacy will probably be how he revolutionized the game using The Egg.

Federer in 2
07-04-2012, 08:46 PM
Not yet.

Looner
07-04-2012, 08:53 PM
He is not a legend simply because he is not old enough yet. After a few more successful years, he'll definitely be a legend. The lack of a characteristic style of play makes it hard to consider him a legend.

Roger the Dodger
07-04-2012, 08:53 PM
Verses will be passed word of mouth from generation to generation in Serbia about the marvels of a gluten-free diet.

Dr.Slice
07-04-2012, 08:58 PM
Yes, Djoker is a legend. His form last year was amazing, he was unplayable for a long period of time. It took an awesome performance by Fed to finally beat him. He is still young, he will win many more tournaments.

Fed fordawin
07-04-2012, 09:00 PM
Call me when he wins 8+ slams. With his boring game, he would need at least that to be considered a legend.

That is why Rios is a legend although he has no slam, and Nadal needs an extra 20 slams to be considered a legend.

outrider
07-04-2012, 09:01 PM
He will be a legend in 15 or 20 years. Nadal isnt a legend,too.

Fireballer
07-04-2012, 10:02 PM
Call me when he wins 8+ slams. With his boring game, he would need at least that to be considered a legend.

That is why Rios is a legend although he has no slam, and Nadal needs an extra 20 slams to be considered a legend.

stop posting dude

Johnny Groove
07-04-2012, 10:04 PM
Just a shade below Becker and Edberg.

Allez
07-04-2012, 10:09 PM
His legend is still in the making. I hope he can reach 10 slams to not only seal the deal but to also prove that this is the best era of all time. No more ridiculous debate.

MIMIC
07-04-2012, 10:16 PM
Legend is a very strong word. I'd say that he's not there....YET. He is definitely on his way to legendary status, though (since he's been so consistent in the slams lately)

At the very least, he'd have to win another slam (which would be 6)

Alex999
07-04-2012, 10:25 PM
We all look at this thing differently. i.e. Safin is a legend in my book, although he won 'only' 2 slams. yes, Nole is a legend even if he doesn't win a single match and retires tomorrow. He was able to accomplish something truly amazing in Fedal era.

jackjill888
07-04-2012, 10:28 PM
obviously yes nole 2.0 is a legend but not nole 1.0 :)

MagicMilan
07-04-2012, 10:36 PM
obviously yes nole 2.0 is a legend but not nole 1.0 :)
What about Federror, Fedmug, Chokerer, MonoFed...?
Or it's only JesusFed who's a legend here? :confused:

MagicMilan
07-04-2012, 10:37 PM
Call me when he wins 8+ slams. With his boring game, he would need at least that to be considered a legend.

That is why Rios is a legend although he has no slam, and Nadal needs an extra 20 slams to be considered a legend.
Quality post :lol:

tennisfan856
07-04-2012, 11:08 PM
He needs to go into the double digits. Otherwise, when we are old and gray, most people will be talking about the other two.

viruzzz
07-04-2012, 11:13 PM
Nah, but he will be.

If he wins Wimbadannn this sunday, he'll be on his road to be.

Arkulari
07-04-2012, 11:20 PM
Not yet.

luie
07-04-2012, 11:54 PM
Nope he doesn't have a FO title.

EliSter
07-04-2012, 11:57 PM
Nope he doesn't have a FO title.

So, Olderer before fluke FO wasnt a legend? :o Such a double standard.

heya
07-05-2012, 12:06 AM
dominating the field and winning davis cup, 5 masters and 4 slams in 13 months, including the us open, despite having a pulled rib muscle and struggling with movement.

yes.

luie
07-05-2012, 12:06 AM
So, Olderer before fluke FO wasnt a legend? :o Such a double standard.

Fed was a multiple finalist before he eventual won. Novak made a fluke final thanks to "egg". Novak early in his career was a dirty faker. Just ask Monfils

EliSter
07-05-2012, 12:09 AM
Fed was a multiple finalist before he eventual won. Novak made a fluke final thanks to "egg". Novak early in his career was a dirty faker. Just ask Monfils

I know GS deafets in last years hurts u much :awww: Especially the USO ones, i know the feelin bro, ur cluthing for the straws here, hope i see u here in friday.

Fireballer
07-05-2012, 12:10 AM
Fed was a multiple finalist before he eventual won. Novak made a fluke final thanks to "egg". Novak early in his career was a dirty faker. Just ask Monfils

be quiet you pathetic mug

Clay Death
07-05-2012, 12:12 AM
luie on his knees and begging the gods to let nole win at RG and now right back to trashing nole.


luie stop ejacutrollizing for a few minutes at least. why are hell bent on becoming a total laughing stock of everybody at ejacustan?

EliSter
07-05-2012, 12:12 AM
dominating the field and winning davis cup, 5 masters and 4 slams in 13 months, including the us open, despite having a pulled rib muscle and struggling with movement.

yes.

He didnt won FO! He cant be! I guess Lendle isnt legend too? He didnt won wimby, Fedtards dissapoint me with stupidity sometimes.

luie
07-05-2012, 12:15 AM
I know GS deafets in last years hurts u much :awww: Especially the USO ones, i know the feelin bro, ur cluthing for the straws here, hope i see u here in friday.

Yea I am disappointed because I know it was due to his " gluten free " diet. He is just a second rate player that uses dirty tricks in faking to gain an advantage. He was owned by nadull at the FO despite having a superior bh. Well woohoo he beat and old man.

EliSter
07-05-2012, 12:18 AM
Yea I am disappointed because I know it was due to his " gluten free " diet. He is just a second rate player that uses dirty tricks in faking to gain an advantage. He was owned by nadull at the FO despite having a superior bh. Well woohoo he beat and old man.

Lol werent u just like 1 month ago cheering for Joker to beat Nadal in FO, and gloating how Nadull is owned, u changed your tune now when your master started getting owned insted. Just gtfo.

luie
07-05-2012, 12:18 AM
luie on his knees and begging the gods to let nole win at RG and now right back to trashing nole.


luie stop ejacutrollizing for a few minutes at least. why are hell bent on becoming a total laughing stock of everybody at ejacustan?

Yea Nole is useless , he could have beaten nadull and win a nole slam but he is a HUGE mug. He couldn't even beat a moonballer , superior bh my a**.

Nole fan
07-05-2012, 12:19 AM
Luie retire for your fans. :zzz:

You were gone long time ago, why come back now?

Clay Death
07-05-2012, 12:20 AM
He didnt won FO! He cant be! I guess Lendle isnt legend too? He didnt won wimby, Fedtards dissapoint me with stupidity sometimes.


no worries general Elister.

there are still a lot of federereeeeeeeesians that are normal, reasonable, and intelligent.


we will let the rest of the ejacuzees and ejacutrolls amuse us with their reckless blind hate.

luie
07-05-2012, 12:22 AM
Lol werent u just like 1 month ago cheering for Joker to beat Nadal in FO, and gloating how Nadull is owned, u changed your tune now when your master started getting owned insted. Just gtfo.

Nole could have gone and won the FO and be a legend but he fuck it up. He allowed the moonballer to continue collect slams. He has the game to beat him but took him 2 sets to wake up.

Clay Death
07-05-2012, 12:24 AM
luie still doesnt get it nole fan. what are we to do with him.

its not about the superior backhand on clay. nole has the greatest backhand the world has ever known.

it is nadal`s will, his topspin forehand, and his movement on the red clay that does the damage.

luie
07-05-2012, 12:25 AM
Luie retire for your fans. :zzz:

You were gone long time ago, why come back now?

Novak loss the FO. He is a huge disappointment.
You are the one and only nole SPAM.

Clay Death
07-05-2012, 12:29 AM
let the reckless blind hate flow freely.

Clay Death
07-05-2012, 12:31 AM
he hates nadal. he cant stand nole.

pretty soon there will be nobody left.

i highly recommend bass fishing tournaments for luie. so easy to follow and so little tension.

Nole fan
07-05-2012, 12:36 AM
Novak loss the FO. He is a huge disappointment.
You are the one and only nole SPAM.

Why so bitter Luie? :hug:

Nole Rules
07-05-2012, 12:44 AM
luie, you are a pathetic clown who's hate for Nadal is more than his love for the game.

finishingmove
07-05-2012, 12:44 AM
He is not a legend simply because he is not old enough yet. After a few more successful years, he'll definitely be a legend. The lack of a characteristic style of play makes it hard to consider him a legend.

He took the game to a new physical level, surpassing even Nadal.*

*when not healthy.

duong
07-05-2012, 12:53 AM
For 4 years already (2008) I had :
- put Nadal in Sampras's category (second category after Laver/Fed/Borg/Gonzales)
- predicted Djokovic would be in Lendl-McEnroe-Connors-Agassi's category
- predicted Murray would be in Edberg-Becker-Wilander-Courier's category

You can laugh if you want but so far my impressions have been rather confirmed than not :)

My main wonder now is about Nadal : will he make the first category or not ?

fast_clay
07-05-2012, 01:05 AM
He took the game to a new physical level, surpassing even Nadal.*

*when not healthy.

djokovic's greatness forced murray to hire lendl in order to overcome this extreme physicality with some brutality

stewietennis
07-05-2012, 01:33 AM
Even with only five majors, I believe Djokovic has already reached legendary status because of an aspect of his game style. Just as Agassi is noted as the games best returner; Sampras the best server; Federer for being the most complete; and Nadal for his topspin – I believe Djokovic's defence puts him in that category and is something a lot of players should be working towards.

DjokerFan3
07-05-2012, 02:40 AM
Djokovic went 10-1 against Fedal last year and had to beat them both to finally get to the #1 ranking. That to me is legendary, how many other players have done that?

I think by the time Djoker hangs up his racquet, he would have had an Agassi-like career - 8 slams.

Alex999
07-05-2012, 02:43 AM
For 4 years already (2008) I had :
- put Nadal in Sampras's category (second category after Laver/Fed/Borg/Gonzales)
- predicted Djokovic would be in Lendl-McEnroe-Connors-Agassi's category
- predicted Murray would be in Edberg-Becker-Wilander-Courier's category

You can laugh if you want but so far my impressions have been rather confirmed than not :)

My main wonder now is about Nadal : will he make the first category or not ?
I could agree with your first 2 points, but Murray 'in Edberg, Becker, Wilander category' please, do no think so. and this is coming from someone who dearly likes Murray. :)

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-05-2012, 02:47 AM
Yes a legend

Peak Nole> peak Nadal

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-05-2012, 02:55 AM
Band waggon Supremo Mac said today

Nole has the best return in the history of tennis

I had to do a double take and ask myself if this guy was serious
Did he forget that he played against Connors and Andre?

Yes Nole ha a good return but let's not forget he has string tech that basically let's u hit as hard as u want Anne the ball stays in

Connors used that piece of crap t100 with zero sweet spot
Connors hit flat with little margin for error and still blasted returns

It pisses me of when Mac doesn't acknowledge his peers
Especially Ivan

Nole fan
07-05-2012, 03:00 AM
Band waggon Supremo Mac said today

Nole has the best return in the history of tennis

I had to do a double take and ask myself if this guy was serious
Did he forget that he played against Connors and Andre?

Yes Nole ha a good return but let's not forget he has string tech that basically let's u hit as hard as u want Anne the ball stays in

Connors used that piece of crap t100 with zero sweet spot
Connors hit flat with little margin for error and still blasted returns

It pisses me of when Mac doesn't acknowledge his peers
Especially Ivan

Oh shut up already. Not only Mac has said it, pretty much every other all time great, including Agassi himself more than just once. :wavey:

Clay Death
07-05-2012, 03:09 AM
johnny mac also said that nadal is the best net player on the planet.

right. nadal is terrified of the damn net. he pushes his volleys or he tries to drop volley.

the techinque is pathetic at best.

i can volley better with my feet.

Action Jackson
07-05-2012, 03:11 AM
Djokovic can moonwalk on water while turning into wine.

rocketassist
07-05-2012, 03:13 AM
Oh shut up already. Not only Mac has said it, pretty much every other all time great, including Agassi himself more than just once. :wavey:

Mac is just a bandwagon jumper. He said Nadal has the best volleys at one point.

Agassi definitely the best attacking returner and he won Wimbledon in a field of fast grass and huge servers.

hipolymer
07-05-2012, 03:14 AM
Verses will be passed word of mouth from generation to generation in Serbia about the marvels of a gluten-free diet.

Not even Djokovic can make Serbians forever stop eating bread. :lol:

sexybeast
07-05-2012, 03:35 AM
Some say 8 slams makes you a legend and yet you need to put Mcenroe with 7 up there. Does Becker, Edberg and Wilander just fall short?

There are no absolute boundaries, everyone go around with their own definition of what a legend of the sport is.

One thing I am pretty sure about is that Courier definetly falls short and few mention him with such high regard as calling him a legend. Novak has gone far beyond that limit already, the 2011 year alone is legendary by every means.

If he wins a couple more slams he will be there beoyond a doubt, he is starting to climb that ladder to greatness now, winning Wimbledon and Usopen and he climbs above Wilander, Edberg and Becker.

swebright
07-05-2012, 03:46 AM
No way, Jose.

Only after his career ended; we can analyze where he stands. He could be midget legend; far behind Rafa and Feddy.

Clay Death
07-05-2012, 03:48 AM
mac is up there. go try to snatch 77 quality doubles titles. it is almost mission impossible.

i dont like the jerk but there is no way to argue with his record:

77 singles titles and 77 doubles titles. that is sick.

it shows total mastery of the game.

DemiCrayanhan
07-05-2012, 05:21 AM
very rarely one can become a legend in the middle of his career. imo, it's a bit too early to tell for djokovic...if all he ends up with is what he's done so far, he's as big a legend as, oh i don't know, wilander? but then he's got immense potential to be much greater when it's all said and done.

PedroMarquess
07-05-2012, 10:38 AM
Not yet. In the field I only think in Federer as a legend, maybe because he is closer to retire too. Nadal is close.Djokovic has a lot of work to do, I'd like him to win at least 10 slams, and Roland Garros at least once.

Slasher1985
07-05-2012, 10:42 AM
Nole has legend potential, but he's not there yet. I'm sure he's gonna be though, with 10+ GS titles and many more epic games.

zcess81
07-05-2012, 12:52 PM
Being a legend of the game is as much about grand slam count as it is about memorable moments that will be repeated over and over again. Nole's reaction (and subsequent crowd roar) after saving 1st match point against Fed at USO is one of those moments that will be in hall of fame, repeated on TV year after year. So, yes, I think he is a tennis legend already, or should I say, he'd become a tennis legend if he retired from tennis tomorrow. Safin, Hewitt and Roddick are considered legends by many, so why not Nole?

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 01:59 PM
Correct - if Nole retired tomorrow alot of people would miss his presence on the court. Nole has RAISED THE BAR in tennis in more ways than one.

Look how many top players have been influenced by him. Nole goes on a special gluten free diet and loses weight (he was already skinny) and Andy Murray announces he is on a gluten free diet. And look how much weight Andy has shed! His legs were like tree trunks before. With the exception of Federer, most of the top players have gone on diets and lost weight. Have you noticed? Nadal's famed butt has definitely shrunk.

Novak uses yoga and meditation to make his tensile strength and FLEXIBILTY legendary. Now this kind of training is a perequisite.

Novak has brought HUMOR/Personality/Intelligence into the game. Before many top players were either bad tempered (MacEnroe)or had no personality at all (Lendl). Besides Serbian, Novak speaks how many languages? English, Italian, German. Everywhere he goes, even in China, Nole makes sure to address the crowd in at least a few words of their language.

Novak has raised the public's expectations of who tennis players are - REAL PEOPLE not just empty icons. He has raised the bar not only for excellence in the sport but brings a more complete personality to the game. Novak has made tennis more FUN. How many times have Novak's video's been viewed on Youtube? The guy has a great zest for life and is genuinely funny. Sure Federer and Nadal can sit there and have a giggle attack (Youtube) but Novak is genuinely witty and hilarious. Very few people can bring that off. And millions around the world love him for this.

ServeVolley
07-05-2012, 02:07 PM
He's a legend, yes. The 43-match winning streak, domination of Federer and Nadal in 2011, mental strength against Federer in USO-11, and Tsonga RG-12, etc.

A long way off contending for GOAT, but a legend without doubt. :)

duong
07-05-2012, 02:09 PM
As for a "legend", I think what he did last year only is enough for that ... and you can go until the final of the Australian open 2012. And that includes all of his wins against Nadal.

McEnroe's 1984 was enough to make him a legend.

It's the same for Djokovic.

Wilander's 1988 had 3 slam wins, which is a great memory for many people, but not that level. Also his Australian open and French open wins were not that memorable. The US Open was the most memorable with his win over Lendl.

I could agree with your first 2 points, but Murray 'in Edberg, Becker, Wilander category' please, do no think so. and this is coming from someone who dearly likes Murray. :)

Yet I've watched the whole carreer of these players, and I do think Murray is in the same category :lol:

He has been unlucky facing such 3 competitors and he's still very young. I still believe he can pull a "Wilander-year" one day :lol:

EliSter
07-05-2012, 02:27 PM
Even if he didnt won any GS he would still be legend for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UkMAiM2XmU&feature=related :bowdown:

Linque
07-05-2012, 02:36 PM
Hard to call someone a legend so soon after the legend-making year, but I voted yes. Eventually at least I will, right now he might be too recent.

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 04:16 PM
Even if he didnt won any GS he would still be legend for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UkMAiM2XmU&feature=related :bowdown:

So many great videos - like the one of Novak imitating Mac at the US Open - only Novak could do this and bring the house down. Only Novak would ever be expected or requested to do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUvYar4d2IM :devil:

What a great breath of fresh air Novak has brought to tennis.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 04:16 PM
Legendary faker, cheater and attention whore for sure...

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 04:33 PM
Novak and the art of saving match points at Grand Slams:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syyh03aVKhg&feature=related :worship:


Big John - did you notice any cheating or faking here? Looked fair and square to the rest of us.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 04:36 PM
Big John - did you notice any cheating or faking here? Looked fair and square to the rest of us.

If you have been a fan since day 1, you know I speak the truth.

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 05:10 PM
If you have been a fan since day 1, you know I speak the truth.

`Day 1' - What is Day 1?

I've been a Nole fan since 2007. And you are lying. `Faker' - Did Nole call for a trainer ONCE during that 6 hour match with Nadal at the 2012 Australian Open? Nole slipped and rolled his ankle - did he call for a trainer then? No. You would have been on hands and knees crawling for the exit after the 1st 15 min.

What about Nole's 5 hour semi final match against Murray at the Aus Open? Did he call for a trainer then?

Nole played a 5 hour SF match against Murray at the AO then comes out at the same GS and plays a 6 hour Final against Nadal. Who has ever done that? Did he once call for a trainer? Did he cheat to win to win those matches? Nole won fair and square.

http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus12/story/_/id/7515729/australian-open-breaking-novak-djokovic-rafael-nadal

PedroMarquess
07-05-2012, 05:21 PM
Legendary faker, cheater and attention whore for sure...

http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/haters-gaga.gif

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 05:25 PM
`Day 1' - What is Day 1?

I've been a Nole fan since 2007. And you are lying. `Faker' - Did Nole call for a trainer ONCE during that 6 hour match with Nadal at the 2012 Australian Open? Nole slipped and rolled his ankle - did he call for a trainer then? No. You would have been on hands and knees crawling for the exit after the 1st 15 min.

What about Nole's 5 hour semi final match against Murray at the Aus Open? Did he call for a trainer then?

Nole played a 5 hour SF match against Murray at the AO then comes out at the same GS and plays a 6 hour Final against Nadal. Who has ever done that? Did he once call for a trainer? Did he cheat to win to win those matches? Nole won fair and square.

http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus12/story/_/id/7515729/australian-open-breaking-novak-djokovic-rafael-nadal

So Nole never had dubious injury, allergies or dust getting into his eyes or causing breathing problem, problems with heat, calling MTO to disrupt his opponent's rhythm?

You know the answer to all those things is yes, so I'm just trying to gauge what kind of fan you are...

Matt01
07-05-2012, 05:41 PM
Not a legend yet, no.
His buddy Nadal is, though.


Legendary faker, cheater and attention whore for sure...


You need to get banned ASAP.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 05:43 PM
You need to get banned ASAP.

For being 100% right? :confused:

PedroMarquess
07-05-2012, 05:49 PM
For being 100% right? :confused:

Because you think that you're always right, and well, you're not. Learn to love, don't hate <3

Matt01
07-05-2012, 05:50 PM
For being 100% right? :confused:


For trolling, for being a clown and for being 100% wrong.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 06:00 PM
Because you think that you're always right, and well, you're not. Learn to love, don't hate <3

I am 100% right about this, and I truly love tennis.

For trolling, for being a clown and for being 100% wrong.

You know me better than that Mattie. And stop lying to yourself, I am 100% right about Nole. You need to stop thinking with your little head. nYour lust for the Faker clouds your judgement.

Clay Death
07-05-2012, 06:05 PM
Legendary faker, cheater and attention whore for sure...


good one ejaculon. you just insulted every great nole fan out there who follows him.

that looks like a bitter attack on nole and all his fans to me.

was it really necessary?

Matt01
07-05-2012, 06:06 PM
I am 100% right about this, and I truly love tennis.



You know me better than that Mattie. And stop lying to yourself, I am 100% right about Nole. You need to stop thinking with your little head. nYour lust for the Faker clouds your judgement.


:superlol:

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 06:07 PM
good one ejaculon. you just insulted every great nole fan out there who follows him.

that looks like a bitter attack on nole and all his fans to me.

was it really necessary?

:rolleyes:

It's being realistic. But how would you know about reality, living 24/7 in a make belief internet Castle pretending to be a general...

dencod16
07-05-2012, 06:35 PM
I don't think his there yet, but i think he eventually will.

MacTheKnife
07-05-2012, 07:04 PM
Not yet but he's headed in that direction!

Slasher1985
07-05-2012, 07:08 PM
If you have been a fan since day 1, you know I speak the truth.

I must apologize, but this doesn't make any sense. Day 1 is when Nole played his first ITF Match, ATP Match, Juniors Match ? When was it exactly ? And how could anyone had been a fan of Nole then ? Besides, family, close relatives and a few patriots of course...

duong
07-05-2012, 07:11 PM
I must apologize, but this doesn't make any sense. Day 1 is when Nole played his first ITF Match, ATP Match, Juniors Match ? When was it exactly ? And how could anyone had been a fan of Nole then ?

anyway it starts before the 2007 year when the Sanshisan poster "fan from the beginning" started to be a fan of Djokovic's, and the faking reputation comes especially from the previous years.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 07:13 PM
I must apologize, but this doesn't make any sense. Day 1 is when Nole played his first ITF Match, ATP Match, Juniors Match ? When was it exactly ? And how could anyone had been a fan of Nole then ?

Think about it.

Hypnotize
07-05-2012, 07:17 PM
Novak is a legend in the making. He has however taken tennis to a new level and if he continues in his current form, it won't be long before reasonable people view him as a full-bloodied legend.

Nole Rules
07-05-2012, 07:19 PM
Legendary faker, cheater and attention whore for sure...

STFU, BigMUG.

Slasher1985
07-05-2012, 07:19 PM
Think about it.

Thank you for your kind and most elaborate enlightening post...

Roger the Dodger
07-05-2012, 07:25 PM
Novak is a legend in the making. He has however taken tennis to a new level and if he continues in his current form, it won't be long before reasonable people view him as a full-bloodied legend.

I beg to differ. How has Novak taken tennis to a new level?

Federer and Nadal have taken it to a new level. Novak, being in the mix had no choice but to keep up with their levels in order to win tournaments. Kudos for having mastered the art of survival but don't overcredit the bloke. He's not a pioneer like Roger (genius, artistry) or Rafa (physical, point-to-point play).

Novak has mastered the art of survival on the new levels created by Roger and Rafa's rivalry. Hasn't taken tennis to a new level.

shmeeko69
07-05-2012, 07:30 PM
To have won the slams that he's achieved recently with probably the strongest bunch of players of all time would certainly give him legendary status and I can see him reaching double figures for slams in the next 3 years.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 07:31 PM
:superlol:

So I got this and a bad rep from you? Somebody is in a flirty mood. :rolleyes:

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 07:33 PM
I am 100% right about this, and I truly love tennis.




You didn't answer the question - Nole comes out at the AO 2012 and plays for 11 hours in 2 matches, the last of which was the LONGEST GS FINAL MATCH IN HISTORY - did he call for the trainer ONCE? As a `faker' and a `cheater' he should have at least done that much.

How many top players call for the trainer? Happens all the time. Federer did for `back pain' a couple days ago in the 4th rd at Wimby when it looked like he was in trouble against Malisse(!? LOL) A couple days later Fed comes out against Youzny in the quarter finals looking fantastic. No evidence of back stiffness at all. I didn't see you or anyone else screaming = Fed is a F A K E R - he didn't have any back pain against Malisse!!!

I am sure you `love tennis' - as long as your guy is winning.



BTW `Future Mod' - there is no such word as `Senseful'

Hypnotize
07-05-2012, 07:40 PM
I beg to differ. How has Novak taken tennis to a new level?

Federer and Nadal have taken it to a new level. Novak, being in the mix had no choice but to keep up with their levels in order to win tournaments. Kudos for having mastered the art of survival but don't overcredit the bloke. He's not a pioneer like Roger (genius, artistry) or Rafa (physical, point-to-point play).

Novak has mastered the art of survival on the new levels created by Roger and Rafa's rivalry. Hasn't taken tennis to a new level.
think what you like but all the experts disagree. McEnroe calls Novak the greatest athlete that has ever played tennis. Becker says his dominance last year was one of the greatest achievements he has ever seen. Even Sampras who never liked Novak was full of praise for him. Federer's career has been remarkable but he never managed to dominate the tour like Novak did. Even at his best, he was still getting beaten by Nadal. Novak on the other hand, reached a level that none of his competitors could match. That's doing a hell of a lot more than "surviving" as you disparagingly put it. :p

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 07:40 PM
STFU, BigMUG.

Truth is difficult to accept I see.

Thank you for your kind and most elaborate enlightening post...

Glad I was able to remind you to think properly about it. Always available.

You didn't answer the question - Nole comes out at the AO 2012 and plays for 11 hours in 2 matches, the last of which was the LONGEST GS FINAL MATCH IN HISTORY - did he call for the trainer ONCE? As a `faker' and a `cheater' he should have at least done that much.

How many top players call for the trainer? Happens all the time. Federer did for `back pain' a couple days ago in the 4th rd at Wimby when it looked like he was in trouble against Malisse(!? LOL) A couple days later Fed comes out against Youzny in the quarter finals looking fantastic. No evidence of back stiffness at all. I didn't see you or anyone else screaming = Fed is a F A K E R - he didn't have any back pain against Malisse!!!

I am sure you `love tennis' - as long as your guy is winning.

You are overlooking the very long history Djokovic has faking and cheating, and putting the emphasis on the only time you have seen Federer calling a trainer while he was obviously bothered by his back.

You don't show a lot of good faith in this argument.

And as Roddick fan, I find that last line is just laughable. ;)

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 07:44 PM
I beg to differ. How has Novak taken tennis to a new level?

Federer and Nadal have taken it to a new level. Novak, being in the mix had no choice but to keep up with their levels in order to win tournaments. Kudos for having mastered the art of survival but don't overcredit the bloke. He's not a pioneer like Roger (genius, artistry) or Rafa (physical, point-to-point play).

Novak has mastered the art of survival on the new levels created by Roger and Rafa's rivalry. Hasn't taken tennis to a new level.

We are not just talking `survival' here. If that were true, Novak would still be #3 in the world. He is #1. And yes in order to beat 2 of the greatest players ever, Novak had to take tennis to a higher level.

martinatreue
07-05-2012, 07:44 PM
Legend... not yet but definitely one of the all-time greats and rapidly approaching Legend.

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 07:46 PM
Truth is difficult to accept I see.

You are overlooking the very long history Djokovic has faking and cheating, and putting the emphasis on the only time you have seen Federer calling a trainer while he was obviously bothered by his back.

You don't show a lot of good faith in this argument.

And as Roddick fan, I find that last line is just laughable. ;)


In your Opinion, WHEN was the last time Novak `cheated' at a match?

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 07:46 PM
We are not just talking `survival' here. If that were true, Novak would still be #3 in the world. He is #1. And yes in order to beat 2 of the greatest players ever, Novak had to take tennis to a higher level.

This happened after those 2 greatest players slowed down, so the higher level thing is highly debatable.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 07:46 PM
When was the last time Novak `cheated' at a match?

How is that relevant to the discussion?

Nole Rules
07-05-2012, 07:48 PM
Truth is difficult to accept I see.

Truth? You mean your usual BS posts? :confused:

Nole Rules
07-05-2012, 07:52 PM
In your Opinion, WHEN was the last time Novak `cheated' at a match?

Don't waste your time. He is a pathetic Nole hater.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 07:56 PM
Truth? You mean your usual BS posts? :confused:

Not BS, truth you can't accept.

Slasher1985
07-05-2012, 07:57 PM
Glad I was able to remind you to think properly about it. Always available.


Joke aside, I actually think you were very rude about it.:)

But that's your business. Don't worry, I don't hold grudges.

Good day.

Roger the Dodger
07-05-2012, 07:58 PM
think what you like but all the experts disagree. McEnroe calls Novak the greatest athlete that has ever played tennis. Becker says his dominance last year was one of the greatest achievements he has ever seen. Even Sampras who never liked Novak was full of praise for him. Federer's career has been remarkable but he never managed to dominate the tour like Novak did. Even at his best, he was still getting beaten by Nadal. Novak on the other hand, reached a level that none of his competitors could match. That's doing a hell of a lot more than "surviving" as you disparagingly put it. :p

We are not just talking `survival' here. If that were true, Novak would still be #3 in the world. He is #1. And yes in order to beat 2 of the greatest players ever, Novak had to take tennis to a higher level.

No.

Simply put, Novak cemented the groundwork laid by Nadal and Federer. He didn't lay the groundwork himself. Credit to him for his achievements, but if self-motivated forces like Federer and Nadal were not there, Novak wouldn't have reached such heights.

I will add, if RF and RN were not there, Novak would be about as good as Murray, no better with his NB academy style of play. Novak's level improved because he has a bigger ego than Murray and he couldn't take the constant slapping at the hands of the other two. Murray still has to come good.

Nole Rules
07-05-2012, 08:00 PM
Not BS, truth you can't accept.

Oh I see so BS = truth for you. Okey then.

HelenShivers
07-05-2012, 08:02 PM
wtf NO.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 08:04 PM
Oh I see so BS = truth for you. Okey then.

With that username, are you sure you are not a delusional fangirl unable to accept the less admirable achievements of Nole?

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 08:05 PM
How is that relevant to the discussion?

Oh now he's trying to back out. WHEN IYO was the last time Nole `cheated and faked'? That is the MOST relevant question because you claim that he has been doing this all along. However you tacitly admit NOLE did not cheat when he won the AO. So when was the last time IYO that Nole `cheated'? You should be able to tell us that much. You like to throw around these extreme accusations. So now give us some FACTS.

Did Nole `cheat and fake' to win AO in 2011? Wimby in 2011? The NYO in 2011?

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 08:11 PM
[QUOTE=Roger the Dodger;12183605]No.

Simply put, Novak cemented the groundwork laid by Nadal and Federer. He didn't lay the groundwork himself. Credit to him for his achievements, but if self-motivated forces like Federer and Nadal were not there, Novak wouldn't have reached such heights.

And RF and RN used the groundwork laid by other top tennis players before them. This is true of top athletes in ANY sport. it's called raising the bar, running the 4 minute mile, etc

I will add, if RF and RN were not there, Novak would be about as good as Murray, no better with his NB academy style of play. Novak's level improved because he has a bigger ego than Murray and he couldn't take the constant slapping at the hands of the other two. Murray still has to come good.

Irrelevant. In any case, Novak would still be better than Murray and would have to be tested by another athlete who is also better than Murray.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 08:18 PM
Oh now he's trying to back out. WHEN IYO was the last time Nole `cheated and faked'? That is the MOST relevant question because you claim that he has been doing this all along. However you tacitly admit NOLE did not cheat when he won the AO. So when was the last time IYO that Nole `cheated'? You should be able to tell us that much. You like to throw around these extreme accusations. So now give us some FACTS.

Did Nole `cheat and fake' to win AO in 2011? Wimby in 2011? The NYO in 2011?

Why exactly do you believe that if you post Cheater or Faker around here, everybody will know you are talking about Djokovic?

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 08:33 PM
Why exactly do you believe that if you post Cheater or Faker around here, everybody will know you are talking about Djokovic?

I am not aware of that.

But still no answer?! You just like to smear people with nothing to back it up? Not very impressive for a `Future Mod'.

When IYO was the last time Novak `faked and cheated'? A simple question you should be able to answer with no problem since you claim to be an expert on his `cheating' which got him to #1 in the world. So name and describe what he did at the last match he `cheated' at.

Fireballer
07-05-2012, 08:34 PM
Why exactly do you believe that if you post Cheater or Faker around here, everybody will know you are talking about Djokovic?

stop posting fangirl you are becoming even bigger joke than before

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 08:49 PM
I am not aware of that.

But still no answer?! You just like to smear people with nothing to back it up? Not very impressive for a `Future Mod'.

When IYO was the last time Novak `faked and cheated'? A simple question you should be able to answer with no problem since you claim to be an expert on his `cheating' which got him to #1 in the world. So name and describe what he did at the last match he `cheated' at.

You have a quote on me pretending to be an expert on Nole cheating his way to #1 I'd like to read it.

Now about Nole's cheating and faking, nole himself admitted to it in a match against Monfils, plus credible players (Federer and Roddick) have commented on his faking abilities.

If you had watched tennis instead of fantasizing about teabagging Nole, you'd be aware of such commonly known facts.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 08:49 PM
stop posting fangirl you are becoming even bigger joke than before

Whose DA are you again?

sicko
07-05-2012, 08:51 PM
With that username, are you sure you are not a delusional fangirl unable to accept the less admirable achievements of Nole?

I'm sure his achievements are more admirable than everything you have achieved in life, including your 9000 posts on a tennis forum. :stupid:

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 08:56 PM
I'm sure his achievements are more admirable than everything you have achieved in life, including your 9000 posts on a tennis forum. :stupid:

If you want to glorify and idolize cheating and faking, go ahead, but it does not make you look good.

Slasher1985
07-05-2012, 08:57 PM
Pardon me for interfering once again...

Although I can agree with Nole faking (although I don't see why people would care if he fakes or not as long as he delivers high quality tennis the rest of the time), I don't see why a "future Mod" is arguing with all these forum members at the same time.

This should simply end with "Let's all agree to disagree" like gentlemen... tennis is a gentlemen's sport after all.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 08:59 PM
Pardon me for interfering once again...

Although I can agree with Nole faking (although I don't see why people would care if he fakes or not as long as he delivers high quality tennis the rest of the time), I don't see why a "future Mod" is arguing with all these forum members at the same time.

This should simply end with "Let's all agree to disagree" like gentlemen... tennis is a gentlemen's sport after all.

And this is why the faking and cheating is so disgusting, but OK, let's agree to disagree. :)

Alcibiades
07-05-2012, 09:01 PM
BigJohn is getting a big john up his ass in this thread.Loving it.

But he seems to love it even more,since he keeps coming for more.I am pretty certain he will be a very successfull mod in the future,since all mods in this place need to be more than a little masochistic.:D;)

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 09:06 PM
BigJohn is getting a big john up his ass in this thread.Loving it.

But he seems to love it even more,since he keeps coming for more.I am pretty certain he will be a very successfull mod in the future,since all mods in this place need to be more than a little masochistic.:D;)

Another fangirl whith a distorted perception of reality I see. This is reminiscent of the Golden Days of Rafatards when never ending waves generic Nadaltards would pop up, all as enlightened as this crop of Noletards...

Alcibiades
07-05-2012, 09:08 PM
:rolleyes:

It's being realistic. But how would you know about reality, living 24/7 in a make belief internet Castle pretending to be a general...

People who have a vodoo doll of Brooklyn Decker all pinpricked with needles because she fucks their crush should not talk about realism.;)

sicko
07-05-2012, 09:10 PM
If you want to glorify and idolize cheating and faking, go ahead, but it does not make you look good.

I'm just putting you back into your place and reminding you of your irrelevance.

tomorrow nole is going for his 5th consecutive slam final, what are you doing?:wavey:

misty1
07-05-2012, 09:11 PM
not right now, no

Nole fan
07-05-2012, 09:14 PM
Pardon me for interfering once again...

Although I can agree with Nole faking (although I don't see why people would care if he fakes or not as long as he delivers high quality tennis the rest of the time), I don't see why a "future Mod" is arguing with all these forum members at the same time.

This should simply end with "Let's all agree to disagree" like gentlemen... tennis is a gentlemen's sport after all.

Because he doesnt know what a gentleman is? I hope this classless poster never becomes a mod. How would become a mod a poster who repeteadly insults people, gets in all kind of arguments with everybody, is generally not liked or respected and he never ever talks about tennis? Ive never seen him comment on an actual match. His whole contribution to MTF is pissing off djokovic fans with his obsessive idiotic rants and drooling at players asses.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 09:15 PM
People who have a vodoo doll of Brooklyn Decker all pinpricked with needles because she fucks their crush should not talk about realism.;)

Who has such a voodoo doll?

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 09:17 PM
Because he doesnt know what a gentleman is? I hope this classless poster never becomes a mod. How would become a mod a poster who repeteadly insults people, gets in all kind of arguments with everybody, is generally not liked or respected and he never ever talks about tennis? Ive never seen him comment on an actual match. His whole contribution to MTF is pissing off djokovic fans with his obsessive idiotic rants and drooling at players asses.

Is this why I started a thread about the lawn season and another about the HC season? Those threads are not about tennis?

You are one to talk, what do you post about outside of nolespamming / fed hating? :rolleyes:

Time Violation
07-05-2012, 09:18 PM
Pardon me for interfering once again...

Although I can agree with Nole faking (although I don't see why people would care if he fakes or not as long as he delivers high quality tennis the rest of the time), I don't see why a "future Mod" is arguing with all these forum members at the same time.

This should simply end with "Let's all agree to disagree" like gentlemen... tennis is a gentlemen's sport after all.

He's not a future mod, unless he starts his own tennis forum :)

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 09:19 PM
He's not a future mod, unless he starts his own tennis forum :)

Hater.

Alcibiades
07-05-2012, 09:20 PM
Another fangirl whith a distorted perception of reality I see. This is reminiscent of the Golden Days of Rafatards when never ending waves generic Nadaltards would pop up, all as enlightened as this crop of Noletards...

Well,that is just it,my dear,you do not see very well at all.There are at least 3 factual errors in this short post of yours (including the lack of (in)sight),but let's just end this with a note that bitterness will not do you any good.It ruins the physical looks,and you will need those if you want to stand a chance of stealing Mrs. Roddick's man away.;)

Clydey
07-05-2012, 09:20 PM
Clearly he is. He could retire today and he would be a legend.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 09:23 PM
Well,that is just it,my dear,you do not see very well at all.There are at least 3 factual errors in this short post of yours (including the lack of (in)sight),but let's just end this with a note that bitterness will not do you any good.It ruins the physical looks,and you will need those if you want to stand a chance of stealing Mrs. Roddick's man away.;)

Please be kind enough to point out the 3 factual errors.

Alcibiades
07-05-2012, 09:25 PM
Who has such a voodoo doll?

Oh,come now!Modesty and shyness?!It does not suit you at all,especially after all these displays of attention-whoring all along this forum for years (I guess thats something you have in common with that cheating douchebag Djokovic,eh?:cool:)

Fumus
07-05-2012, 09:26 PM
He's a legend in Serbia.

thrust
07-05-2012, 09:27 PM
IMO he is already a legend in the game and he can be greater.

I AGREE!

DrJules
07-05-2012, 09:30 PM
Far too early to make such an assertion.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 09:31 PM
Oh,come now!Modesty and shyness?!It does not suit you at all,especially after all these displays of attention-whoring all along this forum for years (I guess thats something you have in common with that cheating douchebag Djokovic,eh?:cool:)

You are making up facts about me because I expose the inconvenient truths about your boy. Classy.:yeah:

Mountaindewslave
07-05-2012, 09:32 PM
Clearly he is. He could retire today and he would be a legend.

a legend? he would be considered a great tennis player but either you are unaware of what the term 'legend' refers or have not been watching tennis that long.

Is Stefan Edberg a legend? he's a great player sure but a legend? the same applies to Djokovic. he is a great player and has done great things but has not reached the legend status, the best of all time. I think he'll get there obviously but 5 Grand Slam titles and 1-1/2 amazing seasons is not enough yet BRO.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 09:32 PM
He's a legend in Serbia.

A sensible answer.

EliSter
07-05-2012, 09:32 PM
Tomorrow he will get one more plus in legend department dissmantling Olderer in all 4 slams.

Time Violation
07-05-2012, 09:36 PM
Hater.

Just saying how it is :)

Alcibiades
07-05-2012, 09:46 PM
You are making up facts about me because I expose the inconvenient truths about your boy. Classy.:yeah:

This is what I dont get.Why deny it?Do you consider it something shameful?If so,why do you grace us with so many ass-licking posts about Roddick and some others in general?I mean,its not like you have any reputation and/or dignity left,what with your posting history.

I mean sure,you may have tricked some short-sighted and not-so-smart people into thinking you may be witty and clever,but tricking THOSE people is not something to write home about.

So,once again,why deny it?:):confused:

sanshisan
07-05-2012, 09:47 PM
Big John quote: You have a quote on me pretending to be an expert on Nole cheating his way to #1 I'd like to read it.

You said Novak is a `cheater and a faker' on this thread. If you're gonna throw around a smear like that you should have specifics to back it up.

[QUOTE]Now about Nole's cheating and faking, nole himself admitted to it in a match against Monfils

Nole `admitted that he cheated' in a match against Montfils? Can you provide us with that quote?

What year was that and where?


plus credible players (Federer and Roddick) have commented on his faking abilities.


`I have Mono' Fed said that?

And Roddick who has done nothing but drop in the ratings after getting his ass kicked by Nole fair and square at the NYO? Maybe they were just trying to psych Nole out.

If you had watched tennis instead of fantasizing about teabagging Nole, you'd be aware of such commonly known facts.

Novak won 41 out of 42 matches in 2011 incl 3 GS. Macenroe said that Novak beat his record of consistent wins because in his time top players were not required to play at all the 1,000 events. Nole had to CONSISTENTLY beat 2 of the greatest players in tennis history to do that. There was no `cheating and faking'. I don't see any `top players' claiming Novak faked and cheated to win any of those matches. He just played better than them. If you `love tennis' as you claim you do, why don't you GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE?

Nooo you just wanna be a big baby and fall back on some smear you heard back in 2006.
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vavavoom
07-05-2012, 09:47 PM
If he beats Murray tomorrow then we are all forever in his debt :worship:

EDIT: Or the final. Whatevs.

Clydey
07-05-2012, 09:50 PM
a legend? he would be considered a great tennis player but either you are unaware of what the term 'legend' refers or have not been watching tennis that long.

Is Stefan Edberg a legend? he's a great player sure but a legend? the same applies to Djokovic. he is a great player and has done great things but has not reached the legend status, the best of all time. I think he'll get there obviously but 5 Grand Slam titles and 1-1/2 amazing seasons is not enough yet BRO.

Is Becker a legend? It depends on how the term is being defined. You don't get to define the term, though. There's a fair amount of subjectivity in these kinds of discussions, even in defining what we mean by 'legend'.

Alcibiades
07-05-2012, 09:50 PM
As for OP,let me be the one to point out the pink elephant in the room by saying that "legend" is a completely subjective and non-quantifiable term.

I dont know if he is a legend,but I do know I would like him to continue winning slams and masters.:p

Clydey
07-05-2012, 09:50 PM
If he beats Murray tomorrow then we are all forever in his debt :worship:

He playing both semi-finals? Now, that would be legendary.

gaitare
07-05-2012, 09:55 PM
He playing both semi-finals? Now, that would be legendary.

He will lose both of them.

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 09:56 PM
This is what I dont get.Why deny it?Do you consider it something shameful?If so,why do you grace us with so many ass-licking posts about Roddick and some others in general?I mean,its not like you have any reputation and/or dignity left,what with your posting history.

I mean sure,you may have tricked some short-sighted and not-so-smart people into thinking you may be witty and clever,but tricking THOSE people is not something to write home about.

So,once again,why deny it?:):confused:

A couple of things...

1- Deny what exactly?

2- You should know I could care less about my reputation and perceived dignity amongst Noletards)

3- You just insulted a good crop of quality posters who good rep me.

All this hate because some fangirls can't cope with the fact Nole has major flaws. Pathetic.

Tennis-Life
07-05-2012, 09:57 PM
Djokovic is far from being legend. He is great player but not a legend yet IMO

BigJohn
07-05-2012, 10:02 PM
You said Novak is a `cheater and a faker' on this thread. If you're gonna throw around a smear like that you should have specifics to back it up.



Nole `admitted that he cheated' in a match against Montfils? Can you provide us with that quote?

What year was that and where?




`I have Mono' Fed said that?

And Roddick who has done nothing but drop in the ratings after getting his ass kicked by Nole fair and square at the NYO? Maybe they were just trying to psych Nole out.



Novak won 41 out of 42 matches in 2011 incl 3 GS. Macenroe said that Novak beat his record of consistent wins because in his time top players were not required to play at all the 1,000 events. Nole had to CONSISTENTLY beat 2 of the greatest players in tennis history to do that. There was no `cheating and faking'. I don't see any `top players' claiming Novak faked and cheated to win any of those matches. He just played better than them. If you `love tennis' as you claim you do, why don't you GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE?

Nooo you just wanna be a big baby and fall back on some smear you heard back in 2006.
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I said in the past that Nole had a good first part of the season, but not a great year. That is giving proper credit. But that does not change the events that lead to Nole having a deserved cheater and faker reputation, events you seem to be aware of but decide to brush aside as if not important.

I can see this because I am not a Noletard, it appears you can't see it, because...

r2473
07-05-2012, 10:05 PM
this is a pretty tough crowd

Fireballer
07-05-2012, 10:55 PM
I said in the past that Nole had a good first part of the season, but not a great year. That is giving proper credit. But that does not change the events that lead to Nole having a deserved cheater and faker reputation, events you seem to be aware of but decide to brush aside as if not important.

I can see this because I am not a Noletard, it appears you can't see it, because...

:haha: :haha: haha:

he had a PERFECT part of the season.Not a great year???MODS ban this pathetic hater forever

duong
07-05-2012, 11:00 PM
if RF and RN were not there, Novak would be about as good as Murray, no better with his NB academy style of play. Novak's level improved because he has a bigger ego than Murray and he couldn't take the constant slapping at the hands of the other two. Murray still has to come good.

no when he emerged on Tour he already had in him what he has become.

Federer himself in a Wimbledon interview, I think the last one, said that the main difference between what Djokovic has become and what he used to be is that he had moments of physical weakness in the past.

But the kind of player he has become I could guess already in 2007-2008 even though he still surprised me about what he did against Nadal.

Murray is another topic :D ... but also supremely talented imo.

Nole `admitted that he cheated' in a match against Montfils? Can you provide us with that quote?

What year was that and where?

US Open 2005, there are links to articles in this forum, can't bother looking for them.
Besides Fed's first bad contact with Djokovic came during Davis cup 2006 against Wawrinka for the same kind of attitude. That was the reason for people saying "he's a joke" (I wonder if Fed was the first one to say that ?)

NID
07-05-2012, 11:27 PM
Djokovic will be remembered, that is for sure. Legendary for those who liked him, probably.
Memorable stuff includes:
- Madrid 09 semi epic
- 2010 and 2011 USO SFs, saving matchpoints against GOAT
- being in the longest slam final ever
- 2011 run and that RG SF with fed
- beating Nadal seven times in a row.
If he were to close the shop today, he would be remembered, that is for sure.

ariel2
07-06-2012, 12:35 AM
Not legendary yet but give him time. If his body holds up........

jcempire
07-06-2012, 12:54 AM
Come on Djoker

of course he is

BigJohn
07-06-2012, 01:27 AM
:haha: :haha: haha:

he had a PERFECT part of the season.Not a great year???MODS ban this pathetic hater forever

Hater does not equal realist. I suggest that if you want to interact only with fangirls, stick to the Nole forum.

Banned for not agreeing with Noletard? That makes a lot of sense...

Fireballer
07-06-2012, 01:57 AM
Hater does not equal realist. I suggest that if you want to interact only with fangirls, stick to the Nole forum.

Banned for not agreeing with Noletard? That makes a lot of sense...

no banned for being a troll and a brainless hater

fast_clay
07-06-2012, 02:03 AM
i support this new egg revolution

HelenShivers
07-06-2012, 03:43 PM
:hah:

superslam77
07-06-2012, 03:44 PM
of course he's a legend

end thread

swebright
07-06-2012, 04:01 PM
You shouldn't coin the words Novak and legend. I'm sorry. Not because he lost today, but it's too early to tell.