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Does Nadal-Djokovic rivalry taint Nadal's career?

MrChopin
01-29-2012, 04:15 PM
Nadal racked up the wins while young Djokovic was developing. Still has a positive H2H. But now all signs point to Novak's utter domination of Nadal: 6 in a row, 9-2 in last eleven matches. And let's be honest; the H2H doesn't even matter, Nadal is now helpless against Djokovic at his own game, something Federer-Nadal never was. Djokovic is Nadal 2.0.

Should Nadal retire or start avoiding Novak by losing in SFs? He would still have a very slight hope for eventually making a GOAT bid by sneaking 1 slam/yr until 31-32 years old while keeping the Fed H2H positive and by avoiding a Djoke and the increasingly negative H2H.

SetSampras
01-29-2012, 04:20 PM
Its not a rivalry. Much like Fedal. Rivalries aren't one sided. Everyone knows Nadal will beat Fed. Nadal has lost 7 in a row to Nole and he has no belief he can beat Nole either.

Rivalries bring an aura of unpredictability. Like the Fedal matchup, you know the script before the match is played

Farenhajt
01-29-2012, 04:25 PM
No. Nadal takes his virtues and flaws in stride, as a mature person should do.

It taints only the blind worshipers who fought crusades proving that Nadal is the True Spartan God, but experience a total breakdown of their religion now that their True Spartan God is exposed for a clueless and powerless human being. As for examples (galore) of such individuals, look no further than MTF.

Larry_David
01-29-2012, 04:34 PM
Rafa's figured out how to match it with Novak now, very unlucky not to win tonight. This'll give him a lot of confidence in future meetings and I'll bank on him winning his fair share of them.

Rogieva
01-29-2012, 04:39 PM
Rafa needs a backhand.

tektonac
01-29-2012, 04:42 PM
Rafa's figured out how to match it with Novak now, very unlucky not to win tonight. This'll give him a lot of confidence in future meetings and I'll bank on him winning his fair share of them.

don't think so. fresh nole would've finished him off in no more than 4 sets. i don't see him getting a lot of confidence from this match simply b/c he knows dead nole managed to take him out.

bandabou
01-29-2012, 04:46 PM
well, well...:lol: Fed can't be goat because Nadal owns him...so where does that leave Nadal? Djokovic owns him and is winning all the big matches.

Johnny Groove
01-29-2012, 04:57 PM
Did anyone here read Nadal's post match interview?

He is more motivated than ever. If I was Djokovic, I'd be worried about not letting up the gas pedal.

Poirot123
01-29-2012, 05:02 PM
don't think so. fresh nole would've finished him off in no more than 4 sets. i don't see him getting a lot of confidence from this match simply b/c he knows dead nole managed to take him out.

I tend to agree. Nadal was closer today because Djokovic was struggling physically before the match even started, and obviously was wilting at times today. A fully fit Djokovic would've taken the match sooner I think.

Looner
01-29-2012, 05:04 PM
Did anyone here read Nadal's post match interview?

He is more motivated than ever. If I was Djokovic, I'd be worried about not letting up the gas pedal.

It seems to be Nadaltards never learn. Novak missed so many FHs he would have never missed last year. Nadal played his best aggressive tennis (as much as he's capable of playing like that) and Novak was almost dead AND IT WAS STILL NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. Djokovic should have won in 4. If this was last year the match was over at 4-3 in the 4th.

DDrago2
01-29-2012, 05:04 PM
well, well...:lol: Fed can't be goat because Nadal owns him...so where does that leave Nadal? Djokovic owns him and is winning all the big matches.

Nadal doesn't own Federer. He loses to him every now and then (H2H is 17-9 for Nadal, and half the matches were on clay). Also, Djokovic's mastery of Nadal took off only last year so I think we should wait a bit more before declaring that Djokovic has Nadal's number.

Fujee
01-29-2012, 05:11 PM
Yes.

Andi-M
01-29-2012, 05:45 PM
Well Fed cant be GOAT cos Nadal, and Nadal cant be GOAT cos of Djokovic. Which means Djokovic is the GOAT...until the next time he loses.

When did we start thinking like this?

GSMnadal
01-29-2012, 05:46 PM
Well Fed cant be GOAT cos Nadal, and Nadal cant be GOAT cos of Djokovic. Which means Djokovic is the GOAT...until the next time he loses.

When did we start thinking like this?

Djokovic can't be GOAT because of Nadal and Federer :shrug:

These guys killed eachother :lol:

juan27
01-29-2012, 06:49 PM
Did anyone here read Nadal's post match interview?

He is more motivated than ever. If I was Djokovic, I'd be worried about not letting up the gas pedal.

I don`t think so , nadal of course wants to say that he is more motivated than ever.

but this defeat for me , hurts very much.

I mean , nole not played his best tennis and nadal made an amazing return for won 4 set.

after that , nole was bad and without confidence , and nadal gift the break to nole and with a terrible unforced error ( very extrange in nadal with federer that ball was in the line) , he gift the australian open to nole...

with this victory , nole is full of confidence and nadal very hurt....

this type of matches are very determinats

superslam77
01-29-2012, 06:57 PM
GOAT=greatest of all time(number of slams and style of game) 16>10
beautiful tennis>(moonball+peds+cheat+gamesmanship+corrupting/slow down of surfaces and reduction of ms finals to best of 3 for a bieber type player)


hope this helps.

shiaben
01-29-2012, 07:25 PM
It's not tainted yet. But of course Djokovic's wins can slow down Nadal to prevent him from becoming GOAT or at least record holder.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
01-29-2012, 07:28 PM
simpy put it takes away the taint from federer legacy

just shows you how important a matchup is

but its strange

nole was 4-14 (he was an offical turkey)

so really nole is like this new guy, who is 10-2 vs nadal

2 more wins and nole 2.0 makes nadal his turkey

epic

Looner
01-29-2012, 07:28 PM
Djokovic can't be GOAT because of Nadal and Federer :shrug:

These guys killed eachother :lol:

Nope. They are what you call rivals. And for Murray fans out there, he's not even in the picture. I don't think he'll ever be.

Fedex
01-29-2012, 07:33 PM
Its not a rivalry. Much like Fedal. Rivalries aren't one sided. Everyone knows Nadal will beat Fed. Nadal has lost 7 in a row to Nole and he has no belief he can beat Nole either.

Rivalries bring an aura of unpredictability. Like the Fedal matchup, you know the script before the match is played

Agreed. Neither of them can compare to the LEGENDARY Sampras/Agassi rivalry.

swebright
01-29-2012, 07:41 PM
Yes, it did. 7 in a row is a fete not anybody has achieved. Even the fiercest fighter cannot beat a better player.

Nole is in his head and he choked repeatedly. As simple as that. No answer how to handle Nole. This match is the closest though.

It also made Federer legacy legit. You can't mention Fed without Rafa and you can't mention Rafa without Nole. People wants to put * next to Federer's wins that he lost how many times to Rafa; it will be the same for Rafa so it all evens out.

selyoink
01-29-2012, 08:25 PM
If the Fed/Nadal H2H taints Fed's career than the same is the case for Nadal now despite still having more wins than losses.

shiaben
01-29-2012, 08:29 PM
If the Fed/Nadal H2H taints Fed's career than the same is the case for Nadal now despite still having more wins than losses.

That doesn't make sense. He leads the h2h, therefore there's nothing to conclude until he breaks the h2h, at least in the slams.

Jovard
01-29-2012, 08:40 PM
Nadal racked up the wins while young Djokovic was developing. Still has a positive H2H. But now all signs point to Novak's utter domination of Nadal: 6 in a row, 9-2 in last eleven matches. And let's be honest; the H2H doesn't even matter, Nadal is now helpless against Djokovic at his own game, something Federer-Nadal never was. Djokovic is Nadal 2.0.

Should Nadal retire or start avoiding Novak by losing in SFs? He would still have a very slight hope for eventually making a GOAT bid by sneaking 1 slam/yr until 31-32 years old while keeping the Fed H2H positive and by avoiding a Djoke and the increasingly negative H2H.

That sounds good :D

Fedex
01-29-2012, 11:46 PM
That doesn't make sense. He leads the h2h, therefore there's nothing to conclude until he breaks the h2h, at least in the slams.

No one cares that Nadal still holds the all time head to head (Djokovic will be passing him soon enough anyway). Djokovic is 3-1 in major finals against Nadal. Won three straight majors, beating Nadal in the finals of all of them. Not even Federer suffered that feat at the hands of Nadal. Djokovic has his number.

tests
01-30-2012, 12:05 AM
Agreed. Neither of them can compare to the LEGENDARY Sampras/Agassi rivalry.

I am pretty positive that if sampras/federer had a rivalry going, it would be HIGHYL competitive. Nadal/sampras, nadal would dominate sampras similar to what he did to federer (granted it is on the slow courts of today).

Agassi/federer would probably have been like sampras/agassi.... and nadal/agassi probably split between or nadal advantage.

tests
01-30-2012, 12:13 AM
It certainly does taint the legacy of nadal. Nadal fans and pundits a-like claim that federer could never be GOAT due to nadal's head to head against him.

Granted nadal still leads that head to head 16-13, the number that matters the most IMO is that 7 straight finals victories over nadal and 10-2 in there last 12 meetings.

You can't use any trump card for nadal either. He is still in his prime, and so is djokovic. Prime djokovic >> prime nadal.

When federer was in his prime, he had a respectable record against nadal (maybe even a winning record??).

Djokovic will increase his head to head ratio vs nadal, and continue to win majors against him.

The same thing that nadal had against federer is biting him in the ass. I love it..

On a side note: how hilarious is it that nadal won his matches vs federer by breaking down the federer backhand... and djokovic is doing the same to nadal! Love it!

MatchFederer
01-30-2012, 12:15 AM
16-14 now.

evilmindbulgaria
01-30-2012, 12:19 AM
The arrogance and desperation of the Fedtards on this forum has reached a new high.

First, the moment Nadal started beating Federer, the hate towards Rafa started flowing like the Amazon river. Then, it was not that long ago when the Fedtards were spitting hate towards Djokovic and his camp and now they are acting like Djoko's fans and using his wins over Nadal to make an argument about Djokovic tainting Rafa's legacy :lol:

How desperate can you get? Face it - the argument about Federer being GOAT will ALWAYS be flawed by his H2H against Rafa! You can open a hundred threads on this forum but nothing will change that. You can put Federer = GOAT in your signatures, nicknames, wear it on your foreheads if you want, but you will ALWAYS be reminded of his atrocious H2H against Rafa!

Learn to respect other players and their achievements!

Fedfanforever
01-30-2012, 12:29 AM
^^^
LOL and you forgot to mention Nadal's atrocious 7 losses in a row and how that messes with his legacy. And I believe Nadal has a new record for the most grand slam finals lost in a row.

evilmindbulgaria
01-30-2012, 12:37 AM
^^^
It did not take long before a Fedtard creeped out of his hole. Nadal's H2H against Djoko is 16:14, what is the supposed GOAT's H2H against his closest rival? Not a positive one? When was the last time Federer beat Nadal in a Grand Slam? Awwwww, don't cry, Federer is still a great player, one of the greatest ever. But you are an embarrassment of a fan!

Fedex
01-30-2012, 12:45 AM
I am pretty positive that if sampras/federer had a rivalry going, it would be HIGHYL competitive. Nadal/sampras, nadal would dominate sampras similar to what he did to federer (granted it is on the slow courts of today).

Agassi/federer would probably have been like sampras/agassi.... and nadal/agassi probably split between or nadal advantage.

I don't agree with this. Sampras would dominate Nadal at Wimbledon/US Open. Not sure how a matchup at the Aussie would go; obviously Nadal would win all of their RG meetings.

I like Agassi in that matchup against Nadal. His ability to take the ball early and keep Nadal on the move by hugging the baseline would trump Nadal.

Marek.
01-30-2012, 02:28 AM
I don't agree with this. Sampras would dominate Nadal at Wimbledon/US Open. Not sure how a matchup at the Aussie would go; obviously Nadal would win all of their RG meetings.

I like Agassi in that matchup against Nadal. His ability to take the ball early and keep Nadal on the move by hugging the baseline would trump Nadal.


I think what tests is saying is that if Sampras and Nadal were to play on today's courts, where the conditions are slower than the 90s, then Nadal would have an advantage. It's really hard to compare eras considering the difference in court conditions as well as racquets. Sampras would not be the same player if he was in this era, same goes for the other guys if they had played in earlier eras.

hadouken!
01-30-2012, 02:36 AM
Not now but maybe in the future if the pattern continues.

Jimnik
01-30-2012, 02:38 AM
If the H2H changes from 16-14 in Nadal's favor to 32-16 in Djokovic's favor.