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Is tennis becoming inhumane ?

finishingmove
01-29-2012, 03:26 PM
Watching today's final between Djokovic and Nadal, we saw Djokovic falling to the ground after a missed shot. He laughed when he got up but I'm starting to think we could see them play to death if this trend continues.

It was already a hard sport since you have to play under heavy conditions (35ºC ++, humidity, scorching sun etc. ) but this is getting out of hand.

The slowing of the courts has a great deal to do with it, but it's also the the players, like Nadal and Djokovic after him, that have raised the bar. Let's not forget Isner and Mahut either.

I mean, I'm amazed by how these guys are able to push it physically, but is it good for the sport? Is it good for THEM?

Allez
01-29-2012, 03:29 PM
No it is certainly NOT good for them. This i sick. After the match I was so worried Nole would faint before his speech. They have to speed up the courts. This is ridiculous for the players even if it is fun stuff for new tennis fans who have never seen volleying before.

samanosuke
01-29-2012, 03:30 PM
Tennis is just like the players and ATP making it . everybody are getting what they want, tournament directors and crowd getting amazing rallies and matches and the players have to appreciate that because 95% of today's players would be useless in different conditions

Hian-GOAT
01-29-2012, 03:31 PM
If a player doesn't feel well, he simply retires. But I agree overall: tennis is slowly killing players, but it's their fault. They should play less, and they will have better results.

Sound2k10
01-29-2012, 03:31 PM
It's entertaining though.

It makes footballers look like pussies.

green25814
01-29-2012, 03:31 PM
The longer the matches the better for sponsors. Thats the reason for it.

And yes its ridiculous. Its ok to have these types of matches on clay, because the surface is soft and easy on the joints, but on a hardcourt its very dangerous physically.

ballbasher101
01-29-2012, 03:32 PM
I agree with you. Slowing the courts down is taking a lot out of players. The court speeds of 4 years ago were fine. The 90s were too fast and now they are too slow.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-29-2012, 03:33 PM
No. They just have better doping.

buzz
01-29-2012, 03:34 PM
Tennis should join athletics, fits perfectly alongside marathon running, steeple chase and long jump.

habibko
01-29-2012, 03:35 PM
this is not the reason I started to watch and eventually loved tennis, if this was tennis I'd rather follow marathons, wrestling and boxing, the tennis I enjoy is tactical and technical mastery with reasonable displays of will and endurance, not animalistic primal running, screaming and pushing to limits

ballbasher101
01-29-2012, 03:36 PM
this is not the reason I started to watch and eventually loved tennis, if this was tennis I'd rather follow marathons, wrestling and boxing, the tennis I enjoy is tactical and technical mastery with reasonable displays of will and endurance, not animalistic primal running, screaming and pushing to limits

:haha: brilliant post.

DDrago2
01-29-2012, 03:38 PM
Tennis is just like the players and ATP making it . everybody are getting what they want, tournament directors and crowd getting amazing rallies and matches and the players have to appreciate that because 95% of today's players would be useless in different conditions

And thus Federer would rightfully dominate without real competition

Sri
01-29-2012, 03:40 PM
Defensive tennis is boring.

Rafa just moon balls it back in (or the occasional slice on BH), and then its on Djokers racket.

Six hours of this same crap. :-/

finishingmove
01-29-2012, 03:41 PM
Regardless of the aesthetics which some will find pleasing and others repulsive, I really can't say this is a good thing. It actually worries me.

selyoink
01-29-2012, 03:42 PM
Hardcourts should play much faster than they do today. Playing matches like these is clearly not what the body wants hence both players almost falling over during the ceremony speeches.

hipolymer
01-29-2012, 03:43 PM
Australian Open should be called French Open 2.0

Disgraceful how slow the balls and court are.

DDrago2
01-29-2012, 03:48 PM
I actualy believe courts were slowed down with an aim to destroy Federer's dominance. If all the courts remained as they were, Fed would already had 20+ slams and Nadal would not achieve all court status nor would be considered Fed's rival.

finishingmove
01-29-2012, 03:50 PM
I actualy believe courts were slowed down with an aim to destroy Federer's dominance. If all the courts remained as they were, Fed would already had 20+ slams and Nadal would not achieve all court status nor would be considered Fed's rival.

I guess they felt tennis was boring that way.

To me, this new era is far more interesting though it creates a real concern for the effects on player health.

Poirot123
01-29-2012, 04:00 PM
Defensive tennis is boring.

Rafa just moon balls it back in (or the occasional slice on BH), and then its on Djokers racket.

Six hours of this same crap. :-/

To be fair, you do get the occasional Nadal forehand down the line. But otherwise, spot on.

r3d_d3v1l_
01-29-2012, 04:02 PM
Today´s match would be entertaining if it was played on clay.

But it was played on a hardcourt and that´s scary. So long for the joints of those two fellows.

Poirot123
01-29-2012, 04:02 PM
I actualy believe courts were slowed down with an aim to destroy Federer's dominance. If all the courts remained as they were, Fed would already had 20+ slams and Nadal would not achieve all court status nor would be considered Fed's rival.

I actually think Federer cannot win another grand slam whilst the courts are this slow. He simply does not have the level of athleticism required to beat these guys over 5 sets. He could pull out 2 high quality sets at a high level of intensity, but not 5. Which is why he hasn't gotten the job done now for 2 years.

Allez
01-29-2012, 04:06 PM
I love conspiracy theories :D Perhaps they are just waiting for Federer to retire before speeding up the courts again :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
01-29-2012, 04:42 PM
Speed up the courts. I am talking to you, ITF and ATP.

I mean, these guys were cramping and about to fall over during the elongated trophy ceremony. They had to bring them out chairs and water :lol:

How much more do they want these guys to do? 7 hours match in a slam final? 8 hours match in a slam final?

Speed up the courts and cut the rallies from 20 shots to 10.

mcnasty
01-29-2012, 04:52 PM
Good thread and post. That was painful to watch.

Bobby
01-29-2012, 04:52 PM
Here we are , thanks to slow courts and modern racquets. This match was a clear example of how points have to be won 3-4 times during each rally. It's entertaining for a while, but it gets boring. There were so many points where Djokovic and Nadal could have followed their shots to the net. But they didn't because they can't volley and the passing shots are so fast and accurate even when hit from nearly impossible places. That's not tennis.

duong
01-29-2012, 04:54 PM
I don't know : already what they did today looked out of this world to me.

Their physical limits are higher than I could believe, then is it inhuman or not ? my impression is yes, but well how do I know ?

duong
01-29-2012, 04:56 PM
As for "slow courts" you should be happy that the temperature was very hot today, then the play was more aggressive than in the US Open final, the rallies were shorter and there were more winners.

In a cold day like for the Nad-Fed semifinal, I can't imagine how it would have been (well I imagine Djokovic would have had a disadvantage and would have lost because of errors but not sure)

MuzzahLovah
01-29-2012, 04:57 PM
I don't why making them play in extreme heat/humidity/ slow courts is a good thing. It lowers the quality of tennis, makes injuries more likely.

fast_clay
01-29-2012, 05:12 PM
djok did not start it... He responded...

what they did to a Mediterranean infant was nothing less than a human rights issue...forcing a 9 month old to sleep at night with several bricks mortared together in order to have a growing human being comfortable in becoming a brick wall, not to mention the daily 6 hour solitary confinement sessions from 4 years of age viewing a 90 second game of Pong on a looped recording...

There is a grave sickness in conditioning a mind so young...

You see, the game went thru these evolutions before - where men sought to end points early due to the fact that running a marathon on the baseline every match was not going to be a viable slam collecting formula with any sort of longevity...

out_here_grindin
01-29-2012, 05:13 PM
The longer the matches the better for sponsors. Thats the reason for it.

And yes its ridiculous. Its ok to have these types of matches on clay, because the surface is soft and easy on the joints, but on a hardcourt its very dangerous physically.

I don't think its better for the sponsors. The length of matches reduces viewership over time because people just don't have time to watch a 6 hour match.

rocketassist
01-29-2012, 05:16 PM
These guys are going to end up in hospital beds if they carry this shit on.

I mean look where the next big tournament is- Indian Wells. AO surface is like carpet compared to IW surface. Do you really want the players ending up in wheelchairs by 30? I don't like the top 2 in a tennis sense but I wouldn't like to see them crippled.

StevoTG
01-29-2012, 05:17 PM
There are far too many slow hardcourt events. It is torture on the body and the results for the palyers bodies down the line won't be pretty.

tennisfox
01-29-2012, 05:19 PM
Speed up the courts. I am talking to you, ITF and ATP.
They won't the most they will do is make every set go to a tie-break. It won't be until we see players becoming crippled or dropping dead on court that they will actually do something.

Allez
01-29-2012, 05:19 PM
When a player dies on court after 7 hours of play perhaps the powers that be will finally take notice.

Johnny Groove
01-29-2012, 05:23 PM
djok did not start it... He responded...

what they did to a Mediterranean infant was nothing less than a human rights issue...forcing a 9 month old to sleep at night with several bricks mortared together in order to have a growing human being comfortable in becoming a brick wall, not to mention the daily 6 hour solitary confinement sessions from 4 years of age viewing a 90 second game of Pong on a looped recording...

There is a grave sickness in conditioning a mind so young...

You see, the game went thru these evolutions before - where men sought to end points early due to the fact that running a marathon on the baseline every match was not going to be a viable slam collecting formula with any sort of longevity...

:drink:

I don't think its better for the sponsors. The length of matches reduces viewership over time because people just don't have time to watch a 6 hour match.

This too.

These guys are going to end up in hospital beds if they carry this shit on.

I mean look where the next big tournament is- Indian Wells. AO surface is like carpet compared to IW surface. Do you really want the players ending up in wheelchairs by 30? I don't like the top 2 in a tennis sense but I wouldn't like to see them crippled.

Yup.

They won't the most they will do is make every set go to a tie-break. It won't be until we see players becoming crippled or dropping dead on court that they will actually do something.

I wish it didn't have to go that far. These guys were about to fall over during the trophy ceremony, what more does the ITF want?

When a player dies on court after 7 hours of play perhaps the powers that be will finally take notice.

Sadly, yes.

Hypnotize
01-29-2012, 05:25 PM
Tennis is now a sport where only the best athletes prosper and it is so much the better for it.

sicko
01-29-2012, 05:26 PM
forget S&V, this is a new sport, this is some epic stuff. nadal and djokovic are burying the white tradition of tennis, and oh boy do I love it. the matches are battlefields and soccer looks like a walk in the park compared to these HEROIC efforts.

it's crap for their bodies, but c'mon, the checks are HUGE....it' still a small price compared to the reward.

Time Violation
01-29-2012, 05:28 PM
Well, it's not like this match was some kind of average match? There where plenty of quick matches as well :) Though yea, something should be done about it.

Allez
01-29-2012, 05:30 PM
forget S&V, this is a new sport, this is some epic stuff. nadal and djokovic are burying the white tradition of tennis, and oh boy do I love it. the matches are battlefields and soccer looks like a walk in the park compared to these HEROIC efforts.

it's crap for their bodies, but c'mon, the checks are HUGE....it' still a small price compared to the reward.

BS. Look at how much the golfers and footballers are getting paid for doing practically nothing...certainly in comparison to these amazing guys. These guys will probably have to have hip replacements and other crap post tennis.

Poirot123
01-29-2012, 05:32 PM
forget S&V, this is a new sport, this is some epic stuff. nadal and djokovic are burying the white tradition of tennis, and oh boy do I love it. the matches are battlefields and soccer looks like a walk in the park compared to these HEROIC efforts.

it's crap for their bodies, but c'mon, the checks are HUGE....it' still a small price compared to the reward.

Disagree. The slower courts reduce reward for aggressive attacking players with outrageous shot making and instead reward consistent grinders prepared to run marathons to win. Moderate speed courts (i.e faster courts than now but not as fast as mid 90s) would be a healthier balance between the two.

justafanYYC
01-29-2012, 05:33 PM
It's fine, the players will play according to the conditions and it's rare that there's a match like this where the players have to give extra.

The ATP has already reduced non-grand slam matches. Master's finals used to be 5 sets. The year end World Championship used to have 5 set semis and final on consecutive days. Davis Cup used to have no tiebreaks in any set.

As fan just appreciate it and don't give the players shit when they skip a few tournaments a year.

Just like heaven
01-29-2012, 05:43 PM
Yes.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01KFb8A52sfbC/610x.jpg

ballbasher101
01-29-2012, 05:59 PM
Yes.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01KFb8A52sfbC/610x.jpg


That picture says it all. These guys will be using walking sticks by the time they are 40.

justafanYYC
01-29-2012, 06:45 PM
The speeches from the sponsors and organizers were so stupid.
Where's Dick Enberg when you need him?

SheepleBuster
01-29-2012, 06:50 PM
No it is certainly NOT good for them. This i sick. After the match I was so worried Nole would faint before his speech. They have to speed up the courts. This is ridiculous for the players even if it is fun stuff for new tennis fans who have never seen volleying before.

Oh please. In a society, when UFC is so popular, people want to see blood. I am sure they want to see gladiators cut each others' heads off. McEnroe was saying how he wanted the match to continue. But that's expected because him and his brother are sick puppies.

LleytonMonfils
01-29-2012, 06:55 PM
I actualy believe courts were slowed down with an aim to destroy Federer's dominance. If all the courts remained as they were, Fed would already had 20+ slams and Nadal would not achieve all court status nor would be considered Fed's rival.

You mean the same way golf course designers started making courses as long as possible or adding length to them because they wanted to stop Tiger Woods' dominance? Federer and Tiger were both making it look too easy. Something had to be done. If they kept Wimbledon at the speed they should have Nadal may have beaten Roger once there AT BEST!

As for the OP I don't think it is becoming inhumane. It's a combination of technology and evolution of both the human athlete and modern medicine. These guys are fine tuned machines. Bigger, stronger, faster than they have ever been. 20 years ago it wasn't like that. Hell you see Federer sporting a 6 pack when he lifts his shirt? Nope. He's fit, but he isn't cut like some of these guys are. Rafa and Novak are beasts. So it's a combo of a lot of things, including slowing down the courts.

tennisfan856
01-29-2012, 07:03 PM
unfortunately, today's final received a very warm reception from the audience and the tennis world, so I don't expect a change in the surface in the next 2 years. Didn't they change it to this surface to alleviate the joints on a hard court? Ironic.

Personally, I find it really sad that I have to look forward to the French Open just to see some quick strike tennis where the ball is flying thanks to Babolat and the surface. Every other tournament that used to be fast (Bercy) is now this stupid surface.

Henry Chinaski
01-29-2012, 07:36 PM
I said the same thing after the US Open final.

Maybe this will make people finally open their eyes and see conditions are more of an issue than the schedule.

Tennis has always been ridiculously tough on the body. The amount of ex-pros who have needed major hip surgery after their careers is ridiculous(even serve volleyers from the 80s and 90s). Hewitt and Nalbandian have already had major hip surgeries in their 20s. I'm no doctor but I don't think that's normal for healthy young males.

It's only going to get worse

swebright
01-29-2012, 07:49 PM
It is NOT good for the sports or good for the players. Today is the epitome of how things have changed in a decade. Compare Fed's first Winbledon win and this (different surfaces but compare the playing style).

The game has also become very one directional since they focus so much on baseline game, hard hitting , racquet technology and court surfaces. They don't need to learn different shots in tennis books; Sharapova like hitting and Wozniecki like pushing game style cannot be good.

Because Rafa wants to play this physical game and everybody has to follow his suit is not right either.

MrChopin
01-29-2012, 07:52 PM
I actually think Federer cannot win another grand slam whilst the courts are this slow. He simply does not have the level of athleticism required to beat these guys over 5 sets. He could pull out 2 high quality sets at a high level of intensity, but not 5. Which is why he hasn't gotten the job done now for 2 years.

"Athleticism" is misleading here. At peak, Fed's cardio was clearly better than either of these guys. Endurance, clearly not. Is it a surprise that Nadal and Djokovic run like rabbits but then need 40 seconds between points? Fed doesn't play that way because he limits himself to 15-20 seconds between serves. He recovers faster and formed a style that allowed himself to do so within the rules of the game. Make these two create a style that allows 20 seconds between points and watch them take all measures to keep points/matches shorter out of sheer need. Djokvic was total anaerobic during much of that fifth, falling all over and sucking wind continuously.

BodyServe
01-29-2012, 08:03 PM
I think at this rate the expression "dying on the court" will soon become reality...

Corswandt
01-29-2012, 08:07 PM
unfortunately, today's final received a very warm reception from the audience and the tennis world, so I don't expect a change in the surface in the next 2 years.

That's the problem.

These days, tennis only gets airtime on the mainstream news due to the comical length of some of its matches, so the trend is likely to be to make the courts play even slower.

krystlel
01-29-2012, 08:16 PM
Yes, the courts are becoming too slow. It seems like you can't win a Grand Slam these days without killing your own body. It's interesting to watch, because it's kind of painful and jaw-dropping watching the players have to push through that physical barrier, but even if they can get through this match, it's not good for their career or life after tennis. They've really got to make the courts faster. Rallies that are over 30 shots are crazy, and shouldn't be able to happen. I fear for both Nadal and Djokovic's future watching this match. I hope that the players can speak up about it.

blank_frackis
01-29-2012, 08:21 PM
On the other hand, it has to be said that the vast majority of Djokovic's matches aren't like the match today. That was a final and it just so happened that Murray pushed him all the way in the semi-final this year as well, but look up his wins from the last year and most of them were cakewalks where he barely broke sweat. If it was like that every week then his body couldn't take it, but it isn't.

leng jai
01-29-2012, 11:12 PM
The conditions this year at the AO have been atrocious. Ridiculously slow combined with balls that turn into fluffy monstrosities after 2 games. WTA level of serve holding and 30+ shots rallies occurring at an alarming rate since players can't put it away.

Its appalling that most players have zero chance against the top 4, not because of mental or tennis ability, but because of endurance.

MaxPower
01-29-2012, 11:23 PM
Yes sort of. They need to do something. The tour got a few big hitters that live by the sword and can hit through the slow courts but at the price of losing whenever they can't keep the errors down. Rest are getting grinded down to pieces.

The top4 is a lot about grinding, low errors and endurance. Federer is the only of them that has the talent/game to consistently shorten points.

tests
01-29-2012, 11:24 PM
BS. Look at how much the golfers and footballers are getting paid for doing practically nothing...certainly in comparison to these amazing guys. These guys will probably have to have hip replacements and other crap post tennis.


Footballers are 10x the athletes that golfers are.

Raiden
01-29-2012, 11:34 PM
No. They just have better doping.Doping is becoming less of a luxury and more of a necessity in this super slow court surfaces era.

Halba
01-29-2012, 11:52 PM
fix the courts. too slow.

duong
01-30-2012, 09:44 AM
They've really got to make the courts faster. Rallies that are over 30 shots are crazy, and shouldn't be able to happen. I fear for both Nadal and Djokovic's future watching this match. I hope that the players can speak up about it.

It will not come from the players : I would hope that yesterday's match would help more fans and journalists to speak about it, but I don't think so : it will need many more matches like that.

As somebody said, most of players are comfortable on these courts, and especially top-players (well Fed is different but you've seen recently that he's isolated in debates about the Tour).

You know Nadal's words : he always says that hardcourts are tough for the body then they should play more on clay (or grass).

Will never say that courts have to be faster.

And all of the concentration of these leading top-players is on lightening the schedule.

Honestly thinking, and even if I don't like saying that, I think this might change if there's a doping scandal, as it happened in cycling. Might happen in many years.

The conditions this year at the AO have been atrocious. Ridiculously slow combined with balls that turn into fluffy monstrosities after 2 games.

And we were lucky that the conditions were hot during all tournament hence balls lighter and conditions quicker ! (except for Nadal-Fed semifinal)

see Nadal's words :

Q. Do you feel with the ball it's difficult to make winners?

RAFAEL NADAL: No. I feel it's difficult to make winners when the weather conditions are cold. When the weather conditions are warm or hot, I think the ball is the right one.

When it's cold, for example, the week before the tournament it was very cold here. The ball was very big, very heavy. I don't believe today it's happen.

sicko
01-30-2012, 10:18 AM
BS. Look at how much the golfers and footballers are getting paid for doing practically nothing...certainly in comparison to these amazing guys. These guys will probably have to have hip replacements and other crap post tennis.

Einstein taught us that it's all relative.

Tell this an average construction worker that labors his whole life for minimum wage while fucking up his back real good.

Doesn't seem so inhumane now when compared to the reality of millions of people on the whole world does it? :wavey:

krystlel
01-30-2012, 10:21 AM
Einstein taught us that it's all relative.

Tell this an average construction worker that labors his whole life for minimum wage while fucking up his back real good.

Doesn't seem so inhumane now when compared to the reality of millions of people on the whole world does it? :wavey:
Yeah, but I think it might be good for the organisers, and the people running around if the stars that they've been promoting all along can last more years, rather than being plagued with injuries later on.

duong
01-30-2012, 10:30 AM
Yeah, but I think it might be good for the organisers, and the people running around if the stars that they've been promoting all along can last more years, rather than being plagued with injuries later on.

Do you really think that modern tennis stars don't last long ?

So far the average age of tennis players keeps on increasing.

And personally I'm rather eager for a renewal.

Puschkin
01-30-2012, 11:06 AM
this is not the reason I started to watch and eventually loved tennis, if this was tennis I'd rather follow marathons, wrestling and boxing, the tennis I enjoy is tactical and technical mastery with reasonable displays of will and endurance, not animalistic primal running, screaming and pushing to limits
:yeah:

finishingmove
01-30-2012, 11:13 AM
It will not come from the players : I would hope that yesterday's match would help more fans and journalists to speak about it, but I don't think so : it will need many more matches like that.

As somebody said, most of players are comfortable on these courts, and especially top-players (well Fed is different but you've seen recently that he's isolated in debates about the Tour).

You know Nadal's words : he always says that hardcourts are tough for the body then they should play more on clay (or grass).

Will never say that courts have to be faster.

And all of the concentration of these leading top-players is on lightening the schedule.

Honestly thinking, and even if I don't like saying that, I think this might change if there's a doping scandal, as it happened in cycling. Might happen in many years.



And we were lucky that the conditions were hot during all tournament hence balls lighter and conditions quicker ! (except for Nadal-Fed semifinal)

see Nadal's words :

His personal agenda aside, I do agree with him here.

There should be more tournaments on clay. Yeah, it gets your socks dirty but the difference for your knees is incomparable.

The more realistic alternative though is speeding up the hardcourts...

Harmless
01-30-2012, 11:44 AM
The Hunger Games: Wimbledon :rocker2:

Mae
01-30-2012, 11:45 AM
I think what was inhumane was that Match that Isner and Mahut played at Wimbledon! An earlier way is needed to end Matches like that.

duong
01-30-2012, 11:54 AM
Frankly speaking, both players looked good to me both in the end and after the match, and the quality was still very good in the end.

Then the impression that it's inhumane doesn't come from the players themselves, and I have no immediate fear for their health.

It's rather my personal impression that what I saw was out of this world, and I didn't think I would witness something like that (I didn't suspect that about Isner-Mahut as well but the way it was played -Isner keeping on serving hardly moving- it looked more human to me)

When I saw Djokovic in quarter and semifinals, I never thought he could do that in the final.

Then my immediate concern is not about the players' health but about the fact that such a physical sport does clearly favour doping attitudes.

In cycling, there's no fear about the players' knees, joints, etc. but there was fear about doping ... and the effects of that about their health in the long-term.

Playing more on clay would be better for the joints and knees but would change nothing to my main concern.

barbadosan
01-30-2012, 12:04 PM
this is not the reason I started to watch and eventually loved tennis, if this was tennis I'd rather follow marathons, wrestling and boxing, the tennis I enjoy is tactical and technical mastery with reasonable displays of will and endurance, not animalistic primal running, screaming and pushing to limits

This

tennizen
01-30-2012, 02:35 PM
this is not the reason I started to watch and eventually loved tennis, if this was tennis I'd rather follow marathons, wrestling and boxing, the tennis I enjoy is tactical and technical mastery with reasonable displays of will and endurance, not animalistic primal running, screaming and pushing to limits

What are you waiting for, then?

Commander Data
01-30-2012, 02:37 PM
Next Fed match in Dubai :D

finishingmove
01-30-2012, 03:54 PM
I think what was inhumane was that Match that Isner and Mahut played at Wimbledon! An earlier way is needed to end Matches like that.

Last set tiebreak in that case.

Sophocles
01-30-2012, 04:51 PM
Speed up hard courts, bring back carpet, & have more tournaments on natural surfaces, otherwise we're heading for a Thrilla in Manila (glorious spectacle but fucked both fighters for life) or a massive doping scandal.

finishingmove
01-30-2012, 05:06 PM
Speed up hard courts, bring back carpet, & have more tournaments on natural surfaces, otherwise we're heading for a Thrilla in Manila (glorious spectacle but fucked both fighters for life) or a massive doping scandal.

The worst part is that PEDs don't make it any better. Just help you ruin your body more effectively.

Allez
01-30-2012, 05:09 PM
Footballers are 10x the athletes that golfers are.

:haha: you don't say :rolleyes:

Allez
01-30-2012, 05:10 PM
Einstein taught us that it's all relative.

Tell this an average construction worker that labors his whole life for minimum wage while fucking up his back real good.

Doesn't seem so inhumane now when compared to the reality of millions of people on the whole world does it? :wavey:

Well not when you put it like that :)

zcess81
01-30-2012, 05:22 PM
We have sports such as boxing, UFC and such, and some people think tennis is inhumane. Nobody's punching/kicking these players. If they think they can't take it anymore, they can retire. Considering the paycheck, the very least I expect from them is to get tired by the end of the match.

ossie
01-30-2012, 05:22 PM
as the as the great fed once said: if you are not fit enough get the fuck out.

rocketassist
01-30-2012, 05:38 PM
as the as the great fed once said: if you are not fit enough get the fuck out.

Hang on a minute you moan about the slow courts when Del Potro loses...

masterclass
01-30-2012, 05:43 PM
Speed up hard courts, bring back carpet, & have more tournaments on natural surfaces, otherwise we're heading for a Thrilla in Manila (glorious spectacle but fucked both fighters for life) or a massive doping scandal.

^This. And the most annoying in my mind is the ridiculously changed grass courts at Wimbledon. Please return the grass to more normal playing grass at Wimbledon, and redo the base that is causing high bounces. Now it's as smooth as a billiard table and more like a trampoline. Heck it might as well be a Plexicushion court painted green.

Grass is supposed to be relatively fast with lower bounces, and one always needed a significant amount of serve and volley play to win.
Even the great Bjorn Borg adapted his baseline game to more serve and volley to win at Wimbledon 5 straight times. Now it plays about as slowly as Rod Laver Arena and players like Mr. Djokovic and Mr. Nadal are winning from the baseline. I don't say it has to return to late 90's level, but it's gradually gone too far the other way, when attacking and good serving players like Tsonga, Federer, Berdych lose to baseline players that are content to rally from the back of the court for 20+ strokes. That would have been impossible in former years with the irregular bounce on grass.

Also, add a masters 1000 grass court tournament, perhaps in Australia, if it can't be done between Roland Garros and Wimbledon.

Oh, and see my longish post in RagingLamb's thread here (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=196153) for related discussion involving retirements and injuries.

Respectfully,
masterclass

ossie
01-30-2012, 08:06 PM
Hang on a minute you moan about the slow courts when Del Potro loses...the slowness of the courts is bad but it doesnt give you an excuse not to be fit.

Sham Kay
01-30-2012, 08:11 PM
By the looks of things, the grinders and counter-punchers may be the most successful right now.. but as things go on, the ball bashers are going to have the last laugh.. as the grinders destroy each other.

Jimnik
06-11-2012, 12:54 PM
THIS IS SPARTA!

No pain no game.

Backhand_Maestro
06-11-2012, 12:55 PM
Tennis >>> MMA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boxing

BroTree123
06-11-2012, 12:56 PM
Fixed.

Leo
06-11-2012, 03:42 PM
Mary Carillo had a very justified and pointed comment about this during the French Open on NBC. What other sport requires that a player compete on concrete for six consecutive hours, spending much of that time changing directions quickly? It's a nightmare for the joints and really makes one think about the health of these players over time and after retirement. We will see how the sport progresses over the next 15-30 years. Will things change or stay the same? Things may have to change in a big way.

finishingmove
06-11-2012, 04:11 PM
Rain delays saved our poor players this time.

If Roland Garros ever gets a roof, expect 6+ hour matches.

Raiden
06-11-2012, 05:00 PM
Tennis >>> MMA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BoxingTennis >>>>>>>>> Boxing >>>>>>>>> Wrestling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cage) circus that is no longer considered a real sport but a UFC- monopolized WWE-clone entertainment show that is on the decline in the US (check TV ratings) and has already gone down and totally collapsed in popularity elsewhere (like Japan) and is even being outlawed (as in Thailand).

Sham Kay
06-11-2012, 05:03 PM
It's entertaining though.

It makes footballers look like pussies.

Footballers don't need help to look like pussies mate

BodyServe
06-11-2012, 05:29 PM
Yes it is, rain delays can decides the winner.