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Are best-of-five matches too different from best-of-three matches?

August
01-28-2012, 01:43 PM
What do you think, are best-of-five matches too different from best-of-three matches?

I think they are somewhat. Some players can get quite exhausted already in the third set, so winning first two sets in best-of-three matches is important. But in best-in-five matches, that isn't enough. In best-of-three matches, those players might be not too exhausted in third set still to win. But, if a best-of-five match goes beyond the third set, it'd be almost a wonder if those players still won that match. 3-0 is almost the only possible winning result for those players in best-of-five matches.

I assume the best-of-five system was originally adopted so that it eliminates the effect of luck, not to create a phisical challenge. I think five-setters haven't always been so exhausting for players as they are now. A proof of that is that less than 10 years ago we had Masterses' finals with best-of-five system. But today's tennis is so physically demanding that we have best-of-five system anymore in slams and Davis Cup. So, I think something should be done so that it's be playing skills, not fitness, that determines the outcome of a match.

BodyServe
01-28-2012, 02:05 PM
Yes, they are a lot more demanding both physically and mentally.

Is it a better format? not sure.

out_grinder
01-28-2012, 02:07 PM
I reckon it should be best of 10 sets.

Actually, fuck that, best of however many sets it takes until one of the players dies.

Gagsquet
01-28-2012, 02:11 PM
Get rid of the fifth. Enforce super tie-break.

GSMnadal
01-28-2012, 02:15 PM
A Fedtard crying over the fact his Daddy can't win 3 sets against Nadal :haha:

Ash86
01-28-2012, 02:21 PM
They are different and that's whats makes slams special - you need to win 7 best-of-5 set matches against the best in the world. A Karlovic or a Dodig may take out a Federer or Nadal in a best of 3-set tournament but it's a lot harder in best-of-5. It separates the men from the boys as it were.

It's a different mentality and those that cope the best are clear to see - the top 4 guys who keep getting to the semis. It's not just about fitness and stamina - it's about keeping your concentration level high, not being bothered by going a set down, or even two sets down. Women's tennis suffers by the slam format not being much different to the regular tour (apart from the lack of on-court coaching).

I wouldn't say Monfils, Berdych etc. are losing because they're not fit enough for best of 5 - they just haven't got the mental strength & consistency that the top 4 do.

GSMnadal
01-28-2012, 02:24 PM
They are different and that's whats makes slams special - you need to win 7 best-of-5 set matches against the best in the world. A Karlovic or a Dodig may take out a Federer or Nadal in a best of 3-set tournament but it's a lot harder in best-of-5. It separates the men from the boys as it were.

It's a different mentality and those that cope the best are clear to see - the top 4 guys who keep getting to the semis. It's not just about fitness and stamina - it's about keeping your concentration level high, not being bothered by going a set down, or even two sets down. Women's tennis suffers by the slam format not being much different to the regular tour (apart from the lack of on-court coaching).

I wouldn't say Monfils, Berdych etc. are losing because they're not fit enough for best of 5 - they just haven't got the mental strength & consistency that the top 4 do.

It's just that the top guys really peak for the slams, and can afford to be playing at 80-90% the rest of the year :shrug:

Nadal has had a lot of questionable losses the last 3 years, but he's made 7 out of the last 8 slam finals, he'll never lose to guys like Mayer, Monfils and Dodig in slams.

TBkeeper
01-28-2012, 03:13 PM
Ask Davydenko ...

romismak
01-28-2012, 04:00 PM
Stupid question, of course they are, it is totally different game, best of 5 you play only in slams and DC that means you are under pressure, because slams are most important events, whole world is watching and it is the big prize you want to succeed, DC- you play for your nation it is totally different to any other tournament, you can ask why- many great players played shit in DC and visa-verca average players suddenly thaks to their hearts and love to their country became DC heroes. About physicall difference i hope donīt need to say a word-huge difference of course.

So mentally and physically it is different, in part of mentally i think besides that - big tournament, pressure or playing for your nation, maybe also stamina issues can affect players.

i mean when you know you can run forever it is much easier to play your game and so on. BTW excluding USO at other slams and DC you play final set forever... break of serve must be done, while in any best of 3 in menīs tennis there is TB in final set.

So best of 3 you donīt need to have good stamina -for example say your serve is big and you are average player -and you can win in 2-3TBīs, in best of 5 you need to win 3 consecutive TBīs or 2consecutive TBīs and another one in 4th set for example, you need to have better stamina, mentally tougher and if it goes to 5th besides USO no TB... you must break serve.

Also most of the times best players can turn around matches from 0:2, i meam more time you have you can figure out your opponent, change tactics and so on. Also for agressive players - big servers it is easier to win best of 3 match, because in best of 5 either serve can go away, or start to make UE, or just win 2TBīs is easier than 3TBīs and so on. I think best of 5 format is better for top players, simply they have more time for win matches even if they are down.

Also sometimes you play somebody who is playing unbelievable, but he can play such high-level tennis for say 2 hours and then it is gone, so he can win 2:0 but he wonīt win 3:0 you can turnaround that match, because you have more time and he needs to stay more time in god mode

Sound2k10
01-28-2012, 04:02 PM
I reckon it should be best of 10 sets.

Actually, fuck that, best of however many sets it takes until one of the players dies.

You're just the gift that just keeps on giving aren't you?