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Who the hell on he tour hits a heavy topspin TWO-HANDED backhand?

out_grinder
01-27-2012, 08:19 PM
The mens 2-hander seems a very linear shot.

Djokovic, Murray, Nadal...etc... all of them have the same look to their backhand - clean and linear. Compare Nadal's forehand to his backhand, one whips all the way over his shoulder and creates viscous topspin, the other is a linear shot just to stay in the rally, and occasionally hit a high-risk flat kill shot.

Imagine a player who could whip up on the ball and get it kicking deadly high off BOTH wings.

Does any player hit a heavy topspin rather than a flat 2-handed backhand?

ossie
01-27-2012, 08:57 PM
dont give nadal any ideas

Marc23
01-27-2012, 09:03 PM
Tough question...don't know!

Jimnik
01-27-2012, 09:19 PM
Indeed, two-hander is very restrictive. Can't spin (at least not much), can't slice.

TBkeeper
01-27-2012, 10:35 PM
Davydenko hit it with extreme top spin but mainly (2007-2009 ON CLAY !) and half of the backhands not all of them

Super Djoker
01-27-2012, 10:45 PM
Indeed, two-hander is very restrictive. Can't spin (at least not much), can't slice.

Can place very well thought! Can use your other arm to make it easier ! Djokovic definetly gets topspin on his backhands, who the hell does slice two handed? Er no,one cus that,s impossible! Everyone volley,s and slices 1 handed! If two handers where so bad how come nine of the last 10 Slam winners have two handed b hands? There,s a difference between any old two handed and a good one , like nadal Murray or djokovic !

leng jai
01-27-2012, 10:54 PM
Both techniques are restrictive in their own way. Theres little doubt the two hander is a better shot for the style of play in this era though.

Nixer
01-27-2012, 11:47 PM
Can place very well thought! Can use your other arm to make it easier ! Djokovic definetly gets topspin on his backhands, who the hell does slice two handed? Er no,one cus that,s impossible! Everyone volley,s and slices 1 handed! If two handers where so bad how come nine of the last 10 Slam winners have two handed b hands? There,s a difference between any old two handed and a good one , like nadal Murray or djokovic !

Davydenko, Santoro of the top of my head :confused:
Flo Mayer also

n8
01-28-2012, 12:29 AM
I was wondering this same thing when I was in Sydney. Fognini had the most topspin on this shot of the players I saw. From yesteryear Bruguera comes to mind.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
01-28-2012, 12:31 AM
the slower a tennis court the more likely a player is to get to every shot

therefore it would make sense to build a game around outlasting an opponent rather than outhitting them

the 2 handed backhand is a much higher percentage shot than the 1 hander- its easier- less likely to break down

the topspin shot is a much larger percentage shot than the flat shot- it also allows for a defense to be hardwired (so to speak) into every agressive shot- since even a short ball will kick up due to the heavy top spin

an ideal player on a slow court would have heavy topspin- excellent movement and a 2hander for consistensy

why doesnt everyone hit topspin backhands? because....

1. the 2 hander generates less power- a perfect technique on a 1 hander is much stronger than a 2 hander because of your wingspin- the 2 hander effectively kills off a good deal of power for consistency

2. top spin shots are less powerfull than flat shots- even nadal who generally makes up for his top spin shots with his insane physical ability- had to flatten his shot to do well at the us open



notice the serve doesnt even figure into it- the slower the court the weaker the serve becomes

in a different era where the courts were faster all the superiority the baseline defensive top spin generation have would be nullified- in fact it would work against them

muster never got past the 1st round at wimbledon
bruguera didnt even bother entering for most of his career- not that he had much of a chance

every so often you get a player who transcends even the court speeds and is a true all court master

laver and borg were 2 examples
federer... i cant say- his record on carpet isnt goat worthy but i have no doubt his ability would make him up there with the best

sampras and nadal are products of ther generation- they were exceptionally good at what they did, but you throw them into another era and they probably fold. with sampras its because of his thalassemia minor and with nadal its because of the strings required to give his shots any bite

latso
01-28-2012, 01:14 PM
Coria is the one i remember playing more top spin from the BH compared to most.

green25814
01-28-2012, 01:20 PM
The heavy topspin comes from the wrist, and wrist movement is restricted on a two-handed shot

Its the same reason you can't hit a slice two handed

The pay-off is better control obviously

Clydey
01-28-2012, 01:53 PM
Indeed, two-hander is very restrictive. Can't spin (at least not much), can't slice.

You can slice. You just take one hand off the racquet. The two-hander doesn't stop anyone from being able to slice.

romismak
01-28-2012, 02:30 PM
You can add some topspin on 2h BH, but heavy topspin or just make it consistent is not possible, because you hold racquet in 2 hands, it is just unusual to make such move-that will make it heavy topspin, look on rafa´s FH-his racquet end behind his head-shoulders many times, now you can imagine that can happend when you hold BH with both hands? unless you don´thave bones in body it is possible:D BTW i think 1h-BH can make some topspin-consistent, but it could be too much for arms, to have some problems-issues in shoulders and so on, just try to hit that next time you play tennis, 1h BH topspin is funny but very hard to hit consistent in rallies and also diffciult for shoulder-arms. I don´t think any top pro wants to risk something...

Ibracadabra
01-28-2012, 02:35 PM
I do.

latso
01-28-2012, 02:44 PM
The heavy topspin comes from the wrist, and wrist movement is restricted on a two-handed shot

Its the same reason you can't hit a slice two handed

The pay-off is better control obviously
How does the top spin from BH come from the wrist? :confused:

You actually have much more freedom in the "wrist movement" when playing 2 handed.

That's why f.e. you can hit a sharp cross passing shot on a full stretch from BH with 2 hands and there is no way you can twist your wrist to achieve the same with one hand.

Top spin comes from the whole swing and the grip on the racquet.

The fact that usually one handers play more top spin from BH than 2 handers is because of the much wider amplitude of the swing with one hand, which is limited when you hold the racquet with two hands.

Rafa#Uno:-)
01-28-2012, 03:13 PM
Gasquets has more topspinn on backhand look at that and you understand. Its in the wrist and in the grip too.
With federer grip you cant top spinn as much as Rafa.
the towel man has more topspinn than fed on forehand
but he has not so much top spinn on bh side.

Rafa has more top spinn on his bh. He is a spinn player for good and worse.

out_grinder
09-13-2012, 12:48 PM
Does Nadal hit the most topspin on any 2hbh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cdQLPbxcpk

Burrow
09-13-2012, 12:53 PM
Gasquets has more topspinn on backhand look at that and you understand. Its in the wrist and in the grip too.
With federer grip you cant top spinn as much as Rafa.
the towel man has more topspinn than fed on forehand
but he has not so much top spinn on bh side.

Rafa has more top spinn on his bh. He is a spinn player for good and worse.

No.

Sophocles
09-13-2012, 12:55 PM
Borg & Vilas certainly used to.

Action Jackson
09-13-2012, 01:00 PM
Kent Carlsson and Bruguera used to.

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Freak3yman84
09-13-2012, 01:37 PM
Can place very well thought! Can use your other arm to make it easier ! Djokovic definetly gets topspin on his backhands, who the hell does slice two handed? Er no,one cus that,s impossible! Everyone volley,s and slices 1 handed! If two handers where so bad how come nine of the last 10 Slam winners have two handed b hands? There,s a difference between any old two handed and a good one , like nadal Murray or djokovic !

Santoro begs to differ :o

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out_grinder
09-13-2012, 01:45 PM
Bruguera has such a strange backhand. Looks like he's scooping a lot of balls with an open racket face, and also the range of motion looks very short.

Not sure how he could generate heavy topspin with that stroke.

How does the 'reverse c' vs straight back take-back have an effect on topspin production?

When you do a reverse c, you start from high, then go low, then finish high again. The other take-back is simply low to high. So, theoretically, starting high on the take-back offers no advantages and is just an extra step (the first 'high-to-low' motion) to unnecessarily complicate your stroke?

G4.
09-13-2012, 01:50 PM
Nadal Klizan Andreev

Action Jackson
09-13-2012, 01:55 PM
The question was who hits a 2 handed heavy topspin backhand, there are plenty of youtube clips where you can watch it.

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Forehander
09-13-2012, 03:00 PM
How is it impossible to generate great topspin with the two handed backhand? Some of you even play tennis? You drop your racquet until you feel you're underneath the ball so that your left forearm snaps as you make contact with the ball. Relax your right hand and let your left side dictate the natural swing motion so you may get your balance, so essentially you're like hitting your backhand like it's your forehand. Once you find the natural flow and as you're underneath the ball, your left arm as you make contact should be straight while your wrist/forearm snaps around the ball as the follow through will finish up almost on top of your head like you've just hit a reverse forehand. It's just a left handed forehand, simple. Impossible? No. The backhand topspin shot will always be undermined by the dominant forehand, which have the upper hand in creating paste and spin.

DJ Soup
09-13-2012, 04:03 PM
Nalbandian does some sick angles with his backhand. That must mean lots of topspin

Johnny Groove
09-13-2012, 04:12 PM
Just another reason the 1 hander is supreme.

MaxPower
09-13-2012, 04:15 PM
How is it impossible to generate great topspin with the two handed backhand? Some of you even play tennis? You drop your racquet until you feel you're underneath the ball so that your left forearm snaps as you make contact with the ball. Relax your right hand and let your left side dictate the natural swing motion so you may get your balance, so essentially you're like hitting your backhand like it's your forehand. Once you find the natural flow and as you're underneath the ball, your left arm follow through will finish up almost on top of your head like you've just hit a reverse forehand. It's just a left handed forehand, simple. Impossible? No. The backhand topspin shot will always be undermined by the dominant forehand, which have the upper hand in creating paste and spin.

good explanation. I play tennis myself and if I hit a topspin forehand using my LEFT arm it would feel very unnatural. So that's why hitting a topspin backhand probably feels very unnatural too. It just comes naturally to hit the backhand flatter because you want to use your right arm a lot even in the 2h backhand to really crank up the power. Playing heavy topspin I would no doubt frame-hit a lot of backhands.

Top players are more coordinated yes but if they never practice on it it's going to be hard for them to. It's just not natural. If you really wanted to play your BH like your topspin forehand it would almost be best to be perfectly double-handed, that is not having one clear dominant hand. Maybe that's why some of the "magicians" like Santoro for example mastered the double-hander fully. Strikes me as a guy who could probably even play with the racket in his other hand and still do alright.

out_grinder
09-13-2012, 06:05 PM
So, basically most pro's that hit with a heavy 2hbh are retired clay-courters?

Is there anyone current that does it?

alfonsojose
09-13-2012, 07:40 PM
Mary Pierce on WTA :eek: :hearts: Heavy topspin shots on both wings. Nole does it some times, Nadull too

Burrow
09-13-2012, 08:00 PM
Mary Pierce hit flat, not sure if you're being serious!

motorhead
09-13-2012, 08:04 PM
dont give nadal any ideas

:haha::haha:

Hensafmurrafter
09-13-2012, 09:18 PM
Can place very well thought! Can use your other arm to make it easier ! Djokovic definetly gets topspin on his backhands, who the hell does slice two handed? Er no,one cus that,s impossible! Everyone volley,s and slices 1 handed! If two handers where so bad how come nine of the last 10 Slam winners have two handed b hands? There,s a difference between any old two handed and a good one , like nadal Murray or djokovic !

I hit the backhand slice two-handed. But I am far from a professional player and it is pretty far from a professional shot.

out_grinder
09-14-2012, 01:27 PM
Gulbis?

out_grinder
10-07-2012, 02:52 PM
What do you peeps think about Nishikori's backhand - flat or heavy?

Tag
10-07-2012, 08:08 PM
Nalbandian does some sick angles with his backhand. That must mean lots of topspin

lol, good joke

anyway, bruguera comes to mind for me. sick topsin, would pay to see him or kuerten again nadal on clay

although bruguera did lose to sampras on clay, which, it must be said, is quite muggish

HKz
10-07-2012, 08:32 PM
Heavy spin, pretty difficult with a two-hander, which is why one-handers can generate much better topspin, the wrist is very free in such a shot much like the forehand..

Honestly
10-07-2012, 08:47 PM
Bruguera used to do this. But you can't have just a heavy topspin bh. He had the flat one as well.

Leo
10-07-2012, 11:49 PM
It's true there are not many that come to mind! I struggle to name any.

The first two who came to my mind, and I didn't go to youtube for confirmation, were Igor Andreev and Ryan Harrison.

It really is a unique stroke. Playing myself, I can't imagine mustering much topspin on my backhand. My go-to is slice or flat - but I also don't play with a Western grip

Super Djoker
10-08-2012, 12:10 AM
Santoro begs to differ :o

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OW MY GOD that defence at 56 is just sick ! Lol, I guess you can do slice two handed !

Orange Wombat
10-08-2012, 12:31 AM
:topic: I play a high level tennis, and I play a double handed backhand with a slight slice. Just saying...

out_grinder
10-08-2012, 05:03 PM
What about Nalbandian's two-hander - is that hit with a lot of topspin or is it one of these 'pure' flat shots?

It certainly looks more unique than the rest of the 2-handers

Burrow
10-08-2012, 05:46 PM
Why does it have to be one or the other? You seem to either think a player hits with heavy topspin or a player hits completely flat.

out_grinder
10-08-2012, 06:24 PM
I'm asking who hits the heaviest and whether Nalby's is above average in spin?

Forehander
10-08-2012, 08:53 PM
I'm asking who hits the heaviest and whether Nalby's is above average in spin?

Nalbandian have fantastic racquet work and speed on his backhand side. It really depends whether he's having a day off or not otherwise he can mix it up very well between spin and flat shots.

out_grinder
11-08-2012, 03:35 PM
Ferrer's inability to go DTL off a low Federer slice brought this topic into question today. He just doesn't have the spin off the backhand to lift the ball up over the high part of the net and bring it down inside the court with the linear 2hbh he hits. This makes his inevitable cross-court reply very predictable and attack-able.

Even Djokovic depends on having a high ball on the backhand (which Nadal will readily provide for him) to go down the line with consistency. This is perhaps why Federer's bh slice gives Djokovic trouble. Although his backhand has more spin than Ferrer's - it's certainly not a spinny shot.

Contrast this with Nadal, who can brutalize Federer's low slice with the amount of spin he has on his forehand. It will easily clearly the net and go back down well inside the court. He can thus go anywhere he wants with it - cross-court, DTL - Federer has to guess.

Who on the tour, hits 2hbh so spinny that they can easily lift a low slice up and down over the highest part of the net?