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The US government collaborated with Liberian despot Charles Taylor

abraxas21
01-22-2012, 07:16 PM
Charles Taylor, the former Liberian despot charged with war crimes, worked with American intelligence agencies during his rise to power, the US government has confirmed.

Taylor, the first ever African head of state to face an international tribunal, has been indicted for fomenting a bloody civil war in the neighbouring West African country of Sierra Leone which claimed some 120,000 lives in the 10 years to 2001.

He has been accused of terrorising civilians, recruitment of child soldiers, accepting "mayonnaise jars" stuffed with diamonds, and even cannibalism.

Rumours of CIA involvement in his brutal career were fuelled in July 2009 when Taylor himself told his trial, at the UN-backed Special Court for Sierra Leone in The Hague, that US agents helped him escape from a jail in Boston in 1985 and provided arms for a planned coup in Liberia.

That suggestion was initially denied by the CIA as "completely absurd."

But the Defence Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's spy arm, has now disclosed that its agents, and those of the CIA, did work with Taylor from the early 1980s.

The confirmation came in a response to a Freedom of Information Act request made by the Boston Globe newspaper.

Pentagon officials disclosed that US connections with Taylor were contained in at least 48 secret documents compiled over several decades, but declined to give any further details about the exact length or nature of the relationship.

According to former intelligence officials Taylor could have been considered useful in the 1980s for collecting information on Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, and attempts by the Soviet Union to gain influence in Africa during the Cold War.

Before becoming one of the world's most notorious and brutal rulers Taylor had been a student at Bentley College, just outside Boston, from 1972 to 1977. He earned a degree in economics.

He first came to the attention of authorities in the US when he was arrested during a protest outside the Liberian Mission in New York in 1979.

Taylor, who was born in Liberia, supported a coup in his home country by Samuel Doe the following year and joined the new government. He then fled back to the US after being accused of embezzling almost $1 million, and began fighting extradition to Liberia from a maximum security jail in Plymouth, Massachusetts.

According to Taylor himself, he then received help from the CIA. He told the Special Court for Sierra Leone that a plan was hatched for him to join another planned coup in Liberia, headed by military leader Thomas Quiwonkpa. Taylor claimed he was "100 per cent positive" the CIA was providing the weapons.

He claimed a guard at the jail came to his cell late at night, opened the door and took him to a window where sheets were tied to the bars allowing him to climb down. According to his version a "Government car" then drove him to New York, before he made his way to Mexico on his own passport. News reports suggested he had escaped from the jail.

The Quiwonkpa coup failed and, according to Taylor, the would-be leader's "flesh was eaten by the military leaders at the time."

After undergoing training in Libya under Gaddafi, Taylor founded the National Patriotic Front of Liberia and after engaging in civil war became president in 1996.

During the Sierra Leone civil war that followed Revolutionary United Front rebels, described as Taylor's "surrogate army", mutilated thousands of civilians.

Taylor is accused of funding atrocities there in return for "blood diamonds." The former leader, who has compared himself to Jesus, denies the charges.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/liberia/9021153/Liberian-despot-Charles-Taylor-worked-with-US-intelligence.html

never in doubt

EddceLLent
01-22-2012, 08:26 PM
In countries ravaged by war is it ever easy to tell who the good guy is? Surely there are a lot of cases where neither side is wholly good?

Foreign policy is never black and white, sometimes you have to deal with bad people in order to make progress.

Echoes
01-23-2012, 04:19 PM
Charles Taylor was enabled by the French Françafrique network under Mitterrand along with the French's closest allies Gaddafi, Compaore of Burkina and Huphuet-Boigny. The US supported Doe.

In Africa, the French did just the same policy as the US and were often in conflict with them (or the Brits). And they got tremendous success. Françafrique was an atrocious system.

buddyholly
01-23-2012, 05:09 PM
Foreign policy is never black and white, sometimes you have to deal with bad people in order to make progress.

True. Britain had to collaborate with Chile to hasten an end to the Falklands war.

abraxas21
01-29-2012, 05:02 PM
True. Britain had to collaborate with Chile to hasten an end to the Falklands war.

:lol:

at least you can bring me a laugh

buddyholly
01-29-2012, 06:43 PM
I was beginning to think you might have died laughing.

rocketassist
01-29-2012, 08:24 PM
The US could kidnap buddyholly's missus and he'd still find a reason to justify it. :lol:

buddyholly
01-29-2012, 09:35 PM
I wish!

out_here_grindin
01-29-2012, 10:39 PM
True. Britain had to collaborate with Chile to hasten an end to the Falklands war.

Also the French goverment helped prop up the Hutus and their efforts to committ genocide. They did not realize this of course.

abraxas21
01-30-2012, 12:39 PM
The US could kidnap buddyholly's missus and he'd still find a reason to justify it. :lol:

BH is an obvious troll... still a right wing defensor of all things related to imperialism though...

EddceLLent
01-30-2012, 07:19 PM
BH is an obvious troll... still a right wing defensor of all things related to imperialism though...

Do you always just deal in conjecture, or do you actually have anything to say? :)

buddyholly
01-30-2012, 07:42 PM
Do you always just deal in conjecture, or do you actually have anything to say? :)

I think that by being negative towards others he tries to make himself feel a little better.

buddyholly
01-30-2012, 07:43 PM
BH is an obvious troll... still a right wing defensor of all things related to imperialism though...

I have never defended Russian, or for that matter, any form of Socialist Imperialism.

abraxas21
01-30-2012, 08:39 PM
Do you always just deal in conjecture, or do you actually have anything to say? :)

conjectures? i see reality, mate.

buddyholly
01-30-2012, 09:54 PM
conjectures? i see reality, mate.

On the Internet? You are more naive than I thought.

EddceLLent
01-31-2012, 01:47 PM
conjectures? i see reality, mate.

All I saw was you trying to win an argument by hurling unfounded and contextually meaningless terms at someone. Here's what you said:

BH is an obvious troll... still a right wing defensor of all things related to imperialism though...

Your use of "troll", "right wing" and "imperialism" are all intended in a pejorative sense. It makes it seem as if you're not interested in proper debate, you just want to throw about buzz words. It's a common theme amongst those with anti-government views :).

buddyholly
01-31-2012, 09:59 PM
Your use of "troll", "right wing" and "imperialism" are all intended in a pejorative sense. It makes it seem as if you're not interested in proper debate, you just want to throw about buzz words. It's a common theme amongst those with anti-government views :).

I would amend that to ''those with leftist views.'' My experience is that people who identify with the left often fail to see that they just have a ''different'' opinion, and instead convince themselves that they have the ''right'' opinion. That makes it easier to use pejoratives, because they are using them against someone who just can't see that he is wrong. And also takes away the need for debate, just as Al Gore declared the debate over, so anyone who has a different opinion is not worth listening to.
And as I have had to say over and over, when leftists get fixated on using buzzwords like ''imperialism'', they are subconsciously trying to deflect from the fact that the Soviet Union and China are the real faces of imperialism.
And when in Cuba the most popular word in party speeches is ''dignity''. But if you make a peep against the Party and your $10/month salary it calls you disloyal and sends goons to throw stones at your house. The Party defines dignity, not a dictionary. Like in Alice in Wonderland.

Mjau!
02-01-2012, 12:08 AM
The US is evil. It is a pity the people keep voting for the horrific status quo. :(

buddyholly
02-01-2012, 03:01 AM
The US is evil. It is a pity the people keep voting for the horrific status quo. :(

When Europe goes down for the third time, it is not coming to tidy up.

Echoes
02-01-2012, 04:59 PM
Also the French goverment helped prop up the Hutus and their efforts to committ genocide. They did not realize this of course.

They did, I think. It was a deliberate choice.

"A genocide in such areas is of little importance" said Mitterrand. :rolleyes:


When Europe goes down for the third time, it is not coming to tidy up.

Europe isn't any better, as we all know. So what? Does this make the US a lesser evil?

EddceLLent
02-01-2012, 07:30 PM
The US is evil. It is a pity the people keep voting for the horrific status quo. :(

What country do you think isn't evil?

buddyholly
02-01-2012, 09:12 PM
Europe isn't any better, as we all know. So what? Does this make the US a lesser evil?

I don't think mjau can be included in your ''all''.

But anyway, you should know I would not give a serious answer to mjau's ridiculous posts.

abraxas21
02-02-2012, 01:37 AM
Your use of "troll", "right wing" and "imperialism" are all intended in a pejorative sense.

gee, how did you figure that out?

abraxas21
02-02-2012, 01:45 AM
I would amend that to ''those with leftist views.'' My experience is that people who identify with the left often fail to see that they just have a ''different'' opinion, and instead convince themselves that they have the ''right'' opinion. That makes it easier to use pejoratives, because they are using them against someone who just can't see that he is wrong. And also takes away the need for debate, just as Al Gore declared the debate over, so anyone who has a different opinion is not worth listening to.

do pots and pettles look anything alike to you?

And as I have had to say over and over, when leftists get fixated on using buzzwords like ''imperialism'', they are subconsciously trying to deflect from the fact that the Soviet Union and China are the real faces of imperialism.
And when in Cuba the most popular word in party speeches is ''dignity''. But if you make a peep against the Party and your $10/month salary it calls you disloyal and sends goons to throw stones at your house. The Party defines dignity, not a dictionary. Like in Alice in Wonderland.

your idea of socialism must be quite comforting and easy to dismiss. FYI not every leftist supports cuba, the URSS or china's policies....

buddyholly
02-02-2012, 02:40 AM
your idea of socialism must be quite comforting and easy to dismiss. FYI not every leftist supports cuba, the URSS or china's policies....

There can't be many pragmatists among the left then. Just about every leftist experiment seems to have failed miserably. Keep on trying, I suppose.

buddyholly
02-02-2012, 02:41 AM
do pots and pettles look anything alike to you?





Absolutely not! There is no resemblance at all.

tripwires
02-02-2012, 02:46 AM
I love the bickering between Buddy Holly and Abraxas21. :hearts:

abraxas21
02-02-2012, 03:16 AM
I love the bickering between Buddy Holly and Abraxas21. :hearts:

repressed sexual tension, imho

buddyholly
02-02-2012, 12:22 PM
repressed sexual tension, imho

Well, you should maybe get out more.

abraxas21
02-02-2012, 12:31 PM
are you asking me on a date?

buddyholly
02-02-2012, 12:36 PM
No doubt it would be a first for you, but no!

abraxas21
02-02-2012, 12:40 PM
always on the defensive...

buddyholly
02-02-2012, 01:30 PM
are you asking me on a date?

I said you should ''get out'', not ''come out.''

abraxas21
02-02-2012, 03:33 PM
I said you should ''get out'', not ''come out.''

wait, does that mean you're not a chick?

i'm dissapointed

tripwires
02-03-2012, 12:50 AM
The drama, it thickens. BH + abraxas = together forever. :hearts: This may the the MTF relationship to end all MTF relationships (except mine obviously).