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HELP STOP SOPA AND PIPA (the Thing That Will Kill Freedom Of Speech For Us Citizens)

iPaparazzo
01-19-2012, 12:09 AM
I'm sure all of you are aware of SOPA and PIPA which can ruin the internet. Heck, even by posting a link to a highlights video here can get Mens Tennis Forums shut down.

I know this isn't supposed to go in the General Messages, but I want this to have the most views possible :p

SIGN THIS PETITION HERE: http://americancensorship.org/ or here: https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

Thanks

These acts are only for US citizens and users so people not from the US, no woories ;)

HKz
01-19-2012, 12:11 AM
This is certainly a tennis issue for sure.

tektonac
01-19-2012, 12:13 AM
This is certainly a tennis issue for sure.

once they kill tennis streams it will be.

LleytonMonfils
01-19-2012, 12:14 AM
once they kill tennis streams it will be.

YUP

HKz
01-19-2012, 12:14 AM
once they kill tennis streams it will be.

Which is why I watch pay extra money to get HD tennis on my TV.

navy75
01-19-2012, 12:15 AM
This is certainly a tennis issue for sure.

This thread absolutely has a place here. It is a tennis forum, and the third largest country in the world is debating having restrictions so severe that a site like this could be held culpable for minor infractions that cannot possibly be monitored 24/7.

HKz
01-19-2012, 12:17 AM
This thread absolutely has a place here. It is a tennis forum, and the third largest country in the world is debating having restrictions so severe that a site like this could be held culpable for minor infractions that cannot possibly be monitored 24/7.

I understand it has a place on the forum, I was merely chuckling that it had to be placed in GM.

Plus, if anyone hasn't already gone through this on Facebook/Google/Wiki/etc, then wtf. I mean like any notable site has already got this covered or is having some kind of blackout type deal to get people's attention.

navy75
01-19-2012, 12:17 AM
Which is why I watch pay extra money to get HD tennis on my TV.

Read the SOPA and PIPA guidelines if you think that it simply involves paying for your streams. SOPA and PIPA are so unbelievably restrictive that it is frightening. I'm not just commenting as a completely baffled (ashamed?) person currently living in the US either. If this same law were to be suggested in England, France, Oz, etc I would be absolutely shaking my head about how such a country could become so stifling, and such regulations certainly have an impact on both sport and sports forums.

HKz
01-19-2012, 12:19 AM
Read the SOPA and PIPA guidelines if you think that it simply involves paying for your streams. SOPA and PIPA are so unbelievably restrictive that it is frightening.

Then please do, explain to me how SOPA/PIPA would affect my cable TV subscription.

BroTree123
01-19-2012, 12:20 AM
Wikipedia is currently fucked because of this :o.

HKz
01-19-2012, 12:21 AM
Wikipedia is currently fucked because of this :o.

Just hit "Stop" right before the page is about to load. Bingo. Or just use a cached version.

iPaparazzo
01-19-2012, 12:25 AM
Wikipedia is currently fucked because of this :o.

Ya, but tomorrow it will be fine.. Wikipedia is just protesting ;)

BroTree123
01-19-2012, 12:27 AM
Just hit "Stop" right before the page is about to load. Bingo. Or just use a cached version.

Yeah I know that already.....but the page isn't updated...it's the same old content like a day ago :o

rocketassist
01-19-2012, 12:31 AM
They must be stopped.

BTW why isn't Wiki working now? Why do we have to adhere to US time?

navy75
01-19-2012, 12:34 AM
Then please do, explain to me how SOPA/PIPA would affect my cable TV subscription.

Thought that you were referring to the pay streams on the ATP website. There are far more matches (including futures and challenger level matches) than those that are simply available on TTC or Eurosport. As a matter of fact, TTC fails to show many matches from the Master's Series events even located within the US. Many of my friends and colleagues are players or are involved with players ranked below the top tier, and thus I have a greater desire to see more matches than your casual Federer or Roddick fan.

If you are American and are ignorant and/or happy with your daily programming and big brother, corporate-run government then by all means stay content. My understanding was that this thread was for those who have read the bills and are subsequently deeply concerned with their implications (in a sports and sports-themed internet context, of course).

ballbasher101
01-19-2012, 12:38 AM
I thought America was the land of the free :confused:. They want to control the internet. When China does it they say it's human rights abuse. When America does it they say it's to stop piracy and the usual excuse national security. Hypocrites.

Johnny Groove
01-19-2012, 12:41 AM
I'd still be shocked if this shit passes.

HKz
01-19-2012, 12:42 AM
Thought that you were referring to the pay streams on the ATP website. There are far more matches (including futures and challenger level matches) than those that are simply available on TTC or Eurosport. As a matter of fact, TTC fails to show many matches from the Master's Series events even located within the US. Many of my friends and colleagues are players or are involved with players ranked below the top tier, and thus I have a greater desire to see more matches than your casual Federer or Roddick fan.

If you are American and are ignorant and/or happy with your daily programming and big brother, corporate-run government then by all means stay content. My understanding was that this thread was for those who have read the bills and are subsequently deeply concerned with their implications (in a sports and sports-themed internet context, of course).

Lol

hipolymer
01-19-2012, 12:43 AM
Isn't this bill already dead? That's what I heard anyway.

sicko
01-19-2012, 12:54 AM
I thought America was the land of the free :confused:. They want to control the internet. When China does it they say it's human rights abuse. When America does it they say it's to stop piracy and the usual excuse national security. Hypocrites.

Land of free? Maybe a hundred years ago...Death penalty? Guantanamo? War of Terror? Censored tits on TV? Minimum drinking age 21?

europe is much closer to the term "free" than america...

LleytonMonfils
01-19-2012, 12:54 AM
I'd still be shocked if this shit passes.

Same but it's still good to stand up against it. Hell Congress and such get away with passing too many bills that the American public really never educates themselves on, with some sketchy things written in them. It's good to see as a nation we're starting to take more notice in these types of things.

iPaparazzo
01-19-2012, 12:56 AM
Land of free? Maybe a hundred years ago...Death penalty? Guantanamo? War of Terror? Censored tits on TV? Minimum drinking age 21?

europe is much closer to the term "free" than america...

I'd actually like to move to scandinavia or france :p both very free countries :worship: :cool:

can't stand the us :rolleyes: with all the congress bs :o :mad:

ballbasher101
01-19-2012, 01:05 AM
Land of free? Maybe a hundred years ago...Death penalty? Guantanamo? War of Terror? Censored tits on TV? Minimum drinking age 21?

europe is much closer to the term "free" than america...


I could not agree with you more. People also buy into the whole fake American dream :superlol:. I have never met people who just follow their government so blindly. If you disagree with the government you are branded Un-American :lol:.

iPaparazzo
01-19-2012, 01:07 AM
I could not agree with you more. People also buy into the whole fake American dream :superlol:. I have never met people who just follow their government so blindly. If you disagree with the government you are branded anti-American :lol:.

ikr

sicko
01-19-2012, 01:07 AM
I'd actually like to move to scandinavia or france :p both very free countries :worship: :cool:

can't stand the us :rolleyes: with all the congress bs :o :mad:

the scandinavian countries have a great system, but the weather sucks big time. besides, there are no cities like NYC or LA in europe.

SelvenluvJo
01-19-2012, 01:15 AM
I thought America was the land of the free :confused:. They want to control the internet. When China does it they say it's human rights abuse. When America does it they say it's to stop piracy and the usual excuse national security. Hypocrites.

USA don't copy China please :sobbing:

Seingeist
01-19-2012, 01:18 AM
A merry parade of ignorance dances through this thread.

"Non-Tennis," in any case.

Spierbal
01-19-2012, 02:13 AM
America is exposed for their hypocrisy... They used to criticized China for censorship. Now the US want to copy China and create a Great Firewall of America. There is a lot more to the bill than what is stated in its context. Just look at the history of the American govt. and the happy trigger of lawsuits, corporations attacking each other. These bills should be viewed as a start, a gateway drug of some kind. Who knows where it might lead us too..

Pirata.
01-19-2012, 02:18 AM
Which is why I watch pay extra money to get HD tennis on my TV.

I pay extra money for TTC and I'm lucky if I get decent coverage of most tournaments. I understand they can't air every tournament, but sometimes there will be weeks where you will have two or three 250s going on and we're lucky if we get semifinals on TTC, much less LIVE.

Isn't this bill already dead? That's what I heard anyway.

No, the debate has just been postponed until February.

A merry parade of ignorance dances through this thread.

"Non-Tennis," in any case.

NID :haha:

buddyholly
01-19-2012, 02:40 AM
BTW why isn't Wiki working now? Why do we have to adhere to US time?

Ask Wikipedia. They are the ones who ''stopped'' it.

buddyholly
01-19-2012, 02:59 AM
Land of free? Maybe a hundred years ago...Death penalty? Guantanamo? War of Terror? Censored tits on TV? Minimum drinking age 21?

europe is much closer to the term "free" than america...

Why was there no comment here when Spain adopted a similar law to the one the US is considering? Did you even know that Spain has already adopted this law when you declare Europe freer than the US for not adopting such laws?

HKz
01-19-2012, 03:04 AM
I pay extra money for TTC and I'm lucky if I get decent coverage of most tournaments. I understand they can't air every tournament, but sometimes there will be weeks where you will have two or three 250s going on and we're lucky if we get semifinals on TTC, much less LIVE.

Which is why you need more than TTC and get international channels too :cool:

fast_clay
01-19-2012, 06:06 AM
wake up dumb yank...

you gone and lost all your freedoms that were once your birthright...

you are owned as government is bought not earned... the people you vote for are company reps...

buddyholly
01-19-2012, 01:43 PM
wake up dumb yank...

you gone and lost all your freedoms that were once your birthright...

you are owned as government is bought not earned... the people you vote for are company reps...

The Yanks need to be more like the Europeans and quietly pass these laws while the citizens are asleep.

rocketassist
01-19-2012, 07:58 PM
The USA- poking it's nose in others' affairs since 1776.

the biscuit
01-19-2012, 08:26 PM
megavideo and megaupload have been taken down :bigcry:

the Mayans were right

Certinfy
01-19-2012, 08:27 PM
megavideo and megaupload have been taken down :bigcry:

the Mayans were right
Very sad day :sad: :bigcry:

Guest12315544
01-19-2012, 09:10 PM
Gee I knew this country had really gone downhill, but this is awful. I mean we have a high unemployment rate and a deficit that is out of this world and yet our government is working on things like SOPA and PIPA?????????? :facepalm: :o :o :o

buddyholly
01-19-2012, 10:41 PM
Is the internet still functioning in Spain?

v-money
01-20-2012, 12:42 AM
Which is why I watch pay extra money to get HD tennis on my TV.

Must be nice. But, not all of us have as much money as you (or Brentos).

buddyholly
01-20-2012, 01:16 AM
Must be nice. But, not all of us have as much money as you (or Brentos).

So you prefer people to give you free stuff?

v-money
01-20-2012, 03:49 AM
So you prefer people to give you free stuff?

Yes. You don't?

HKz
01-20-2012, 04:44 AM
Yes. You don't?

Free is cool, but free is rarely quality. Gotta use dat money for quality stuff.

sicko
01-20-2012, 09:27 AM
Why was there no comment here when Spain adopted a similar law to the one the US is considering? Did you even know that Spain has already adopted this law when you declare Europe freer than the US for not adopting such laws?

u mean this?? http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Lachend/28.gif (http://www.smileygarden.de)http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Lachend/28.gif (http://www.smileygarden.de)http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Lachend/28.gif (http://www.smileygarden.de)

US pressured Spain into internet censorship law (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2135662/pressured-spain-internet-censorship-law)

buddyholly
01-20-2012, 12:16 PM
Yes. You don't?

There is no free stuff. Somewhere, somebody pays. I prefer not to pay for others.

buddyholly
01-20-2012, 12:17 PM
US pressured Spain into internet censorship law (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2135662/pressured-spain-internet-censorship-law)
Being a wimp is no excuse.

peribsen
01-20-2012, 05:11 PM
Why was there no comment here when Spain adopted a similar law to the one the US is considering? Did you even know that Spain has already adopted this law when you declare Europe freer than the US for not adopting such laws?

Because the rumour that Spain has passed such a law is simply false.

First, the Sinde law is still held up in the Spanish Senate, open to ammendments, and even then it is not 100% sure that it will finally pass, though it is likely it will, but with some changes.

Second, it is in many ways a more than watered-down version of SOPA. Sinde will msotly bring Spanish laws in line with laws already in place in many Western European countries, while SOPA takes the red line several miles further into unchartered territory.

Third, unlike SOPA, it relates exclusively to Spanish websites and doesn´t pretend to give Spain a say on other countries' internet policies.

Fourth, it is aimed exclusively at websites that may be breaking the law. Individual consumers will not be targeted.

But leaving Spain aside, and returning to SOPA, several tough questions need to be answered.

If the US pretends it's own laws to be enforced transnationally, with no regard to international borders, just how do they plan to avoid other countries from acting against US websites if they think they violate their own laws?

How will they manage to protect legitimate users of the websites they close? Spanish newspapers are loaded today with complaints from people who had been using Megaupload for years as a 'cloud' where they kept their own personal, legal files, from family photos and videos to work files. Right now, they've lost access to their own files. Lawyers are advising them to take legal action, the FBI could have sequestered the private property of several million people around the world.

A couple of weeks ago I read (on Newsweek, I think) a critique of SOPA by an American informatic engineer. He said that, technically, the law was pretty clumsy, because it got rid of the links to illegal content, but not the contents themselves. If I understood his techno speech correctly, it's like if you get rid of the internet address MTF, but not of the page itself. Of course, whenever one enters MTF, one is really contacting a site on the internet that is identified by a code number. Most people don't know that number, so if they can no longer find it by typing MTF, for them it's as good as lost. However, people knowing the code would still be able to access. Trouble is, serious wrongdoers are far more likely to be sophisticated in this regard than the general public.

peribsen
01-20-2012, 05:15 PM
Anyway, today's news brings this...

Online Piracy Vote Canceled
It must have been really tough around the Senate without Wikipedia. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced Friday that the vote on a controversial—and highly unpopular—online piracy bill had been delayed indefinitely. The House later announced a similar measure for its equivalent bill, known as the Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA. The bills had caused Wikipedia and several other websites to go dark Wednesday in protest. While a number of high-profile senators had pulled back their support of the bills in recent days, it placed Democrats between two powerful interest groups: Hollywood, which supports a crackdown on online piracy, and Silicon Valley, which believes the bills in their current form would hinder the Internet’s business model. One of the Senate bill's sponsors, Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, said delaying the bill is a victory for "overseas criminals" who would "drain our economy."

Newsweek,
January 20, 2012 12:30 PM

buddyholly
01-21-2012, 11:03 AM
How will they manage to protect legitimate users of the websites they close? Spanish newspapers are loaded today with complaints from people who had been using Megaupload for years as a 'cloud' where they kept their own personal, legal files, from family photos and videos to work files. Right now, they've lost access to their own files. Lawyers are advising them to take legal action, the FBI could have sequestered the private property of several million people around the world.



SOPA may be dead, but that does not mean Internet piracy must be allowed to continue in order to protect people who do business with criminals. ''Mr. Dotcom'', the billionaire owner of Megaupload has a criminal record dating back to 1998. He has been using the internet for criminal activity for 14 years. And you are sympathetic to the people who gave him their private property for safekeeping? Caveat Emptor!

You might as well advise the victims of Bernie Madoff to sue the US government for shutting down his pyramid scheme, because they had entrusted their money to him and the US government had jeopardised the security of their investments.

As with Bernie Madoff, anyone cheated by Mr. Dotcom should sue Mr. Dotcom, don't you think?

sicko
01-21-2012, 11:11 AM
SOPA may be dead, but that does not mean Internet piracy must be allowed to continue in order to protect people who do business with criminals. ''Mr. Dotcom'', the billionaire owner of Megaupload has a criminal record dating back to 1998. He has been using the internet for criminal activity for 14 years. And you are sympathetic to the people who gave him their private property for safekeeping? Caveat Emptor!

You might as well advise the victims of Bernie Madoff to sue the US government for shutting down his pyramid scheme, because they had entrusted their money to him and the US government had jeopardised the security of their investments.

As with Bernie Madoff, anyone cheated by Mr. Dotcom should sue Mr. Dotcom, don't you think?

please tell me how in earth are you gonna stop online piracy without constraining freedom severely?

buddyholly
01-21-2012, 11:52 AM
please tell me how in earth are you gonna stop online piracy without constraining freedom severely?

By arresting the pirates, maybe? As has just happened to Mr. Dotcom in his New Zealand hideout. It is the online pirates who actually restrict our freedoms, by making it necessary to take measures to stop them. I think it is a selfish attitude to just say let the Mr. Dotcoms steal billions from other people as long as I can get a couple of bucks worth of stuff for free.

By the same reasoning, I gladly go through airport security. It constricts my freedom, but I find it preferable to allowing unrestricted terrorism, as if that would make my life any freer. Sure, I would like to go straight from check in to the boarding gate without anyone ''severely constraining'' my freedom to carry a stick dynamite in my underwear (teethee), but I don't think it would make me feel any freer, just more vulnerable.

sicko
01-21-2012, 12:00 PM
By arresting the pirates, maybe? As has just happened to Mr. Dotcom in his New Zealand hideout. It is the online pirates who actually restrict freedom, by making it necessary to take measures to stop them.

By the same reasoning, I gladly go through airport security. It constricts my freedom, but I find it preferable to allowing unrestricted terrorism, as if that would make my life freer.

so simply providing a service to share files is piracy??:bounce::bounce: (I am not talking about Mr. Dotcom, but in general...)

buddyholly
01-21-2012, 12:14 PM
so simply providing a service to share files is piracy??:bounce::bounce: (I am not talking about Mr. Dotcom, but in general...)
Isn't that just what Mr. Dotcom did? Why leave him out? Simply providing a service to share files would not be piracy, if the owner of the content of the files had no objection.
Similarly, simply selling Rolex watches is no crime. Simply selling Rolex fakes is a crime.

sicko
01-22-2012, 06:04 AM
Isn't that just what Mr. Dotcom did? Why leave him out? Simply providing a service to share files would not be piracy, if the owner of the content of the files had no objection.
Similarly, simply selling Rolex watches is no crime. Simply selling Rolex fakes is a crime.

because dotcom did other things as well...check wiki...

So just how then is a filehoster gonna check every file uploaded??

MsTree
01-23-2012, 07:13 PM
You don't ban cars because some people are killed by bad drivers.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6796/blackmarchxpostfromrsop.jpg

buddyholly
01-23-2012, 07:54 PM
because dotcom did other things as well...check wiki...

So just how then is a filehoster gonna check every file uploaded??

It seems very clear that he made his billions in piracy. He would never have started a filesharing service with the intention of staying legitimate.

Calling it a ''filehoster'' is not the correct word if the primary business was to release the files to anyone and make billions by doing so.