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Lolling at the Wikipedia blackout

EddceLLent
01-18-2012, 07:00 PM
I was amused to find out today that if you employ the leet hacker technique of pressing escape before it redirects you to the blocked page, you'll be able to view Wikipedia as normal.

orangehat
01-18-2012, 07:18 PM
LOL good find.

It's been really tough today..

tennisfan856
01-18-2012, 07:39 PM
I envy your flags today, as I am embarrassed to be associated with a country that is even having a chance of passing that bill. The internet would be destroyed as we all know it.

Har-Tru
01-18-2012, 07:48 PM
What is that law all about anyway?

tennisfan856
01-18-2012, 08:07 PM
the music and movie industry want piracy to end, so they are forcing lawmakers to pass it. But there are so many wrong things in this bill that it literally strips away the freedoms of the internet.

For instance, since this forum is touching upon some affiliations with the ATP and its copyrighted product, it would be forced to shut down. Any forum or site that touches upon the subject of a company or brand (a gaming forum or blog) will be taken down. Twitter and facebook would be censured and crumble as well.

A lot of websites would be in jeopardy, specifically youtube. anything dealing with third-party content or another brand is in trouble.

We would be restricted to what we can see and put internet in a prohibition era.

rocketassist
01-18-2012, 08:48 PM
It's an awful bill.

'awaits buddyholly's excuse for why the US are doing it'

buddyholly
01-18-2012, 09:33 PM
I wasn't going to bother, because I haven't read the bill. I doubt you have either. I understand there may be problems with the bill as written because it would be possible to keep a website closed while complaints work their way through the courts.

But the basic concept of copyright needs to be protected. Nobody thinks they can walk into a music store with the right to walk out with whatever CDs they want. It should be the same with internet downloads.

buddyholly
01-18-2012, 09:35 PM
Twitter and facebook would be censured and crumble as well.



Whatever the problems with the bill, this alone makes it worth passing.

buddyholly
01-18-2012, 09:41 PM
I was amused to find out today that if you employ the leet hacker technique of pressing escape before it redirects you to the blocked page, you'll be able to view Wikipedia as normal.

Would this have been obvious to geeks in advance? I can't believe such a simple manoeuvre was not explained in newspaper articles beforehand.

tennisfan856
01-18-2012, 09:46 PM
even if it does pass, hackers and pirates will always find a way to distribute the copyrighted material. Like senior citizens know what IRC is or newsgroups.

The bill is considered fruitless, yet damaging to all other aspects of the internet. Buddy, I understand you don't like that type of stuff but if those two sites are brought down, think of what else they could do. We would be back in the prehistoric era of the internet.

buddyholly
01-18-2012, 09:55 PM
I envy your flags today, as I am embarrassed to be associated with a country that is even having a chance of passing that bill. The internet would be destroyed as we all know it.

Then make sure you don't change your flag to a country that already has such legislation.

buddyholly
01-18-2012, 09:59 PM
Buddy, I understand you don't like that type of stuff but if those two sites are brought down, think of what else they could do. We would be back in the prehistoric era of the internet.

That was a joke, but I do believe that the ironically-named ''social media'' sites like those have actually killed real-world social interaction. What is so social about only having internet strangers as ''friends''?

They should more properly be referred to as anti-social media.

Pirata.
01-19-2012, 12:11 AM
What is that law all about anyway?

It's happened in Spain already, apparently. The US involved of course, we can't keep our noses out of other countries' affairs :rolleyes:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57353142-501465/sopa-like-law-passes-in-spain-u.s-allegedly-involved/
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/wikileaks_proves_us_forced_spain_to_adopt_sopa-sty.php

What is so social about only having internet strangers as ''friends''?

I have actually met many friends through twitter and I have met several of them in real life, usually at tennis tournaments, and we exchange Christmas and birthday cards and gifts. Every friend starts out as a stranger :shrug:

fast_clay
01-19-2012, 12:27 AM
is this comedy...? or a scene out of 1984...? i'm not sure i'm getting it

Black Adam
01-19-2012, 12:29 AM
Wrong example. It's not stealing as it's simply a case of someone buying and then sharing with others. One can argue that by buying something, you have the right to what you want with said purchase as you now retain ownership.

If I buy milk and share it, the Dairyman has no business complaining as it's now my milk to do what i want with/
I wasn't going to bother, because I haven't read the bill. I doubt you have either. I understand there may be problems with the bill as written because it would be possible to keep a website closed while complaints work their way through the courts.

But the basic concept of copyright needs to be protected. Nobody thinks they can walk into a music store with the right to walk out with whatever CDs they want. It should be the same with internet downloads.

jmf07
01-19-2012, 12:32 AM
I don't understand why the music industry is so against it though. Record labels yes but not the artists themselves. They have done numerous studies showing that artists are better off (factoring in inflation as well) than they were before the whole piracy thing took off.

Jimnik
01-19-2012, 12:38 AM
Wikipedia needs a competitor. Too many opinionated biased articles.

Free internet is great put piracy = anarchy. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Johnny Groove
01-19-2012, 01:06 AM
Wrong example. It's not stealing as it's simply a case of someone buying and then sharing with others. One can argue that by buying something, you have the right to what you want with said purchase as you now retain ownership.

If I buy milk and share it, the Dairyman has no business complaining as it's now my milk to do what i want with/

This man speaks truth.

fast_clay
01-19-2012, 03:20 AM
I don't understand why the music industry is so against it though. Record labels yes but not the artists themselves. They have done numerous studies showing that artists are better off (factoring in inflation as well) than they were before the whole piracy thing took off.

yeah, if it serious then the bill looks like a last resort from a dying industry... it's pretty funny watching people keep dead things alive while the world around them is evolving for the better...

buddyholly
01-19-2012, 03:27 AM
Wrong example. It's not stealing as it's simply a case of someone buying and then sharing with others. One can argue that by buying something, you have the right to what you want with said purchase as you now retain ownership.

If I buy milk and share it, the Dairyman has no business complaining as it's now my milk to do what i want with/

No, I think you give the wrong example. If you give away half of your milk you only have half left. No matter how many drink from it, a pint is always a pint. But if you ''share'' a DVD, you still have a whole DVD left. In other words, you didn't share it, you reproduced another person's work without authorization. It is a different action altogether.

So although your argument sounds reasonable for just sharing something with a friend, what if I bought a DVD, rented a theatre, and then started showing the DVD to everyone willing to give me a small gift?

It would seem the people shouting most for ''freedom'', really are mostly concerned with just getting free stuff.

ballbasher101
01-19-2012, 04:01 AM
No, I think you give the wrong example. If you give away half of your milk you only have half left. No matter how many drink from it, a pint is always a pint. But if you ''share'' a DVD, you still have a whole DVD left. In other words, you didn't share it, you reproduced another person's work without authorization. It is a different action altogether.

So although your argument sounds reasonable for just sharing something with a friend, what if I bought a DVD, rented a theatre, and then started showing the DVD to everyone willing to give me a small gift?

It would seem the people shouting most for ''freedom'', really are mostly concerned with just getting free stuff.


You do know that the people who supported file sharing are the same people supporting the bill. They were for file sharing now they are against it. These big companies don't care about artist rights. They suck the life out of artists. People still pay for good music and good films. Loads of cheap cds and dvds on amazon, play and other sites. I suspect people who pirate are those that dislike the ridiculous amounts paid to some movie stars. Some might do it for fun I don't know. Punishing the majority for something a small group of people do is ridiculous. If SOPA passes then forums like this one will disappear. SOPA is a pathetic bill that is ill thought out.

abraxas21
01-19-2012, 04:18 AM
it's pretty funny watching people keep dead things alive while the world around them is evolving for the better...

thats how i feel about conservatives

buddyholly
01-19-2012, 05:53 AM
If SOPA passes then forums like this one will disappear. SOPA is a pathetic bill that is ill thought out.

I don't know why you think that. MTF is still available in Spain, is it not?

ballbasher101
01-19-2012, 09:45 PM
I don't know why you think that. MTF is still available in Spain, is it not?

Spain's influence is not as great as America's influence. I doubt Spain are enforcing that law. They passed it but are most likely waiting for other countries to adopt the same measures before unleashing it. When the USA does something the world notices. If the the States goes ahead with SOPA the world will follow and innocent internet users will suffer.

buddyholly
01-19-2012, 11:43 PM
I still have no idea how MTF would be affected.

EddceLLent
01-20-2012, 06:46 AM
I still have no idea how MTF would be affected.

Realistically I don't think it would. The whole thing is unworkable.