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Is efficiency of play a skill, or just luck?

Roamed
01-15-2012, 01:16 PM
This in my view is one of the most important issues wrapped up in the whole schedule debate, but I wanted to separate it from that and look at it independently if possible.

By efficiency of play, I mean the capacity to play smoothly, hence not get many injuries.

The question is, why isn't this seen as equal (in some quarters) to things like having a good serve, having a good forehand, good footwork? Is it right that it's not seen as equal? Can you practice being efficient, deliberately engineer a less taxing style?

Any thoughts?

paseo
01-15-2012, 01:20 PM
more importantly, what's a "juat"?

Roamed
01-15-2012, 01:23 PM
more importantly, what's a "juat"?

Haha, thanks I missed that :p


Olderer appreciation thread :zzz:

It's inviting debate, not subscribing to one point of view. If you haven't got something to constructive to add then why post?

Looner
01-15-2012, 01:24 PM
It can be learned. It helps if you have an inane ability but you can always improve.

dodo
01-15-2012, 01:35 PM
How could you possibly consider anyone's choice of playing style "luck"?

Eden
01-15-2012, 01:37 PM
By efficiency of play, I mean the capacity to play smoothly, hence not get many injuries.


You can also be injury prone when you don't play a grueling tennis ;)
Michael Stich or Patrick Rafter come to mind who had to retire early.

On the other hand you have a player in David Ferrer these days who - as far as I can recall - doesn't seem to have that many problems with his body like players who play the same style.

tennis2tennis
01-15-2012, 01:38 PM
I don't get the genetic thing what do you mean he's born with an extra chromosome? he has higher lung capacity? And I'm not buying the luck answer unless it involves the famous Gary Player qoute...the key is agility and footwork - Roger rarely sprints he shuffles & in his prime he attacked at will and ended the point quickley that's a skill

Maccie
01-15-2012, 01:38 PM
Definately skill. I think the better discussion would be, do we really want that skill to be important and let the ones who don't have that skill fuck up their body?

buzz
01-15-2012, 01:39 PM
In the OP efficient refers to tennis styles without to much running etc. and still winning a lot off course these styles require a lot of (racket)skills. It's also a little bit genetic because when you are taller it's easier to hit a winning serve.

tennis2tennis
01-15-2012, 01:41 PM
In the OP efficient refers to tennis styles without to much running etc. and still winning a lot off course these styles require a lot of (racket)skills. It's also a little bit genetic because when you are taller it's easier to hit a winning serve.

Roger seems kind of average majority of guys he plays tend to be his height ---when you see them standing next to him near the net at beginning of a match

MatchFederer
01-15-2012, 01:58 PM
Presuming this is in response to Scoobs.

Well it's skill to produce efficient play but maybe some luck is involved in the coaching channels used to develop the skills which one receives as a very young rising tennis player.

I opted for skill in the poll, without the need for much deliberation at all.

GSMnadal
01-15-2012, 02:16 PM
I don't get the genetic thing what do you mean he's born with an extra chromosome? he has higher lung capacity? And I'm not buying the luck answer unless it involves the famous Gary Player qoute...the key is agility and footwork - Roger rarely sprints he shuffles & in his prime he attacked at will and ended the point quickley that's a skill

Not a good thing :secret:

Johnny Groove
01-15-2012, 02:20 PM
A skill, for sure.

Efficiency of movement, running, striking the ball, of course it is a skill. How many injuries have Nadal and Djokovic had over the last 3 or so years? How many has Fed had in the same timeframe? It isn't just efficiency of play, but also mindset. An aggressive mindset of taking the ball on vs. defending and sliding and scraping far behind the baseline. Gee, I wonder which is more injury prone?

Put your tardism away and use your brain, MTF. I know it is tough.

fmolinari2005
01-15-2012, 02:26 PM
Not a good thing :secret:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

In the end is weird listening to Nadal talking about another player having a supernatural physical gift. Nadal himself is seen as this supreme physical specimen, with stamina and strenght way beyond regular athletes. It is af is listening to Niehls Bohr talking about how unfair it is that Albert Einstein was born so smart. :lol:

Bottom line is that Nadal was very succesful challenging Roger- and getting the best out of Federer most of the times they met. However, it was Nadal's own phisique and style that was resonsible both for his success and his problems.

I can see, also, this issue bringing to an end that weak era crap. Players are having to push themselves to their very limit to be competitive at this era.

finishingmove
01-15-2012, 02:30 PM
Is this thread about Federer overachieving ?

buzz
01-15-2012, 02:33 PM
Roger seems kind of average majority of guys he plays tend to be his height ---when you see them standing next to him near the net at beginning of a match

I wasn't talking about Roger, just in general

Nixer
01-15-2012, 04:34 PM
Well, from these options it's a skill, no degree of luck IMO. But, there is also a player's physical nature - for example Rochus brothers - no way any skill would let them play very efficiently. If you consider such innate features a piece of luck, then it makes sense.

MaxPower
01-15-2012, 04:52 PM
Dunno if I get this but "playing efficient" in my book is playing short rallies. It's being able to finish a point. You will waste less energy doing a 4-5 shot rally than doing a 15-20 shot no matter how "smooth" you move.

Feds secret has always been that he's one of the best (definitely once was the best) at delivering a 2-3 shot combo to win a point. He makes it look effortlessly not because he is smoother but because he controls the serve to perfection exactly where he wants it, anticipates the return and then puts an un-returnable shot. That's all skill.

Usually guys that are fairly average in height and power can't shorten rallies as good as Federer because they rarely have the serve or the precision of his groundstrokes.

My point is that Federer does NOT save his body not because he is a superhuman or somehow can move softer than every other living creature. He saves his body because he reads the game like an expert and controls the game (instead of reacting to it which means more quick turns and more stress on the joints)

And yeah that's skill in my book. Big servers like Isner/Raonic or big baseliners like Del Potro, Soderling, Berdych can also shorten rallies very efficiently with less skill but more height and raw power.

Two paths so save your body but the taller and heavier guys have no choice anyway because it's suicide for them not to. Most wouldn't last a month without injury if they didn't find ways to make their game less taxing on the body.

Egreen
01-15-2012, 04:54 PM
Skill.

noddzy
01-15-2012, 05:54 PM
Like most things in the world, it can be mostly acquired and nurtured, but there will always some percentage of "nature" (luck) involved too.