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"A players strike at the Australian Open?? YES SIR!!"

KaiserT
01-14-2012, 09:52 AM
AlexDrBogomolov Alex Bogomolov
Finally all the players united! Waited for 10 yeArs for this! Witnessing history in Tennis!
10 minutes ago

AlexDrBogomolov Alex Bogomolov
A players strike here at the Australian Open?? YES SIR!!
13 minutes ago

emotion
01-14-2012, 09:57 AM
ugh...god, hope not. better be over wages and not the idiotic schedule dispute
And why boycott ITF not ATP?

KaiserT
01-14-2012, 09:59 AM
If the guy is joking around, bit of a silly thing to do. If he's reporting the truth then it's obviously big news.

hotdog
01-14-2012, 10:15 AM
Santiago Gonzalez (@gonzalezsanty) also talking strike, citing smaller % of pay for players at Slams compared to ATP events.

Ash86
01-14-2012, 10:20 AM
Would be great if the players stood up for themselves for once. The slams cash in bigtime & give a very small % back to players. It's the lower ranked players for whom the money is important that really lose out. Wimbledon for example makes millions & hand over a lot of those millions to the LTA which has had little to show for itself - sure slams will help out their national tennis association (USTA/FTF/TA/LTA...) but it's too tilted that way.

Not sure when they'd do it though. Strike at the Aus Open? Or at the French? US Open is the best target as it's the worst for players I think conditions wise - but it's pretty far away....

Neil Harman wrote in The Times today Nadal was considering stepping down as Vice-President of the Player's Council at the meeting tonight as he doesn't think the leadership listen/is fed up with it - wonder if that happened. Strike talk sounds like more players are on a wavelength with him, Roddick & Murray about some issues than perhaps Fed... Interesting stuff.

Edit: Santiago Gonzalez's twitter talks about players getting 30% of revenue from ATP tournaments vs 13% at Grand Slams & asks where all the money goes. Then says it was a very interesting meeting, possibly strike at the next tournaments/Slams (not clear which....). Would Rafa strike at the French & Wimbledon? Possibly not - may just convince people to wait till the US Open. ;)

ossie
01-14-2012, 10:30 AM
not to be controversial here but if you see the lack of professionalism from most of the guys ranked outside of the top 10 i think its only fair that they dont get paid as much. if you want to be a journeyman fine but dont expect to make that fat cash by showing up when it suits you and win a tournament here and there or make a deep run in a masters. if i am going to feel sorry for anyone its people starving in africa not spoiled tennis player who complain about the seasons length and lose first round matches they are supposed to win just to receive that turn-up money.

Roamed
01-14-2012, 10:42 AM
I'm fine with it if it's something to do with supporting journeymen, but not if it's the same old tired whining about how unfair the schedule is for the top players.

alter ego
01-14-2012, 10:47 AM
not to be controversial here but if you see the lack of professionalism from most of the guys ranked outside of the top 10 i think its only fair that they dont get paid as much. if you want to be a journeyman fine but dont expect to make that fat cash by showing up when it suits you and win a tournament here and there or make a deep run in a masters.

Try using your brain next time you post. Anyone who's in the top 100 dosen't lack professionalis.

if i am going to feel sorry for anyone its people starving in africa not spoiled tennis player who complain about the seasons length and lose first round matches they are supposed to win just to receive that turn-up money.

Nadull and Murray are the ones that have an issue with the tennis year being too long. If anything the likes of Bolgomolov probablay want non-stop ATP events.
And wtf has Africa got to do whith anything? Nowadays the fat ass bureaucrats earn more money than the players themself. Do you think this is fair?

rinnegan
01-14-2012, 11:18 AM
if i am going to feel sorry for anyone its people starving in africa not spoiled tennis player who complain about the seasons length and lose first round matches they are supposed to win just to receive that turn-up money.

People can feel sorry for both groups of people even though one group's concern may be more pressing than the other group's. Shocking, I know.

duong
01-14-2012, 01:07 PM
Strike talk sounds like more players are on a wavelength with him, Roddick & Murray about some issues than perhaps Fed... Interesting stuff.

Edit: Santiago Gonzalez's twitter talks about players getting 30% of revenue from ATP tournaments vs 13% at Grand Slams & asks where all the money goes. Then says it was a very interesting meeting, possibly strike at the next tournaments/Slams (not clear which....). Would Rafa strike at the French & Wimbledon? Possibly not - may just convince people to wait till the US Open. ;)

the only top-player who talked about that small % of revenues in slams was Andy Murray.

And that was a very very very little part of all the gossiping.

Everything depends on the purpose of the strike : if that's it, it's totally different from what we heard in previous months, but at least it's something which can unite more players.

Pirata.
01-14-2012, 03:19 PM
All roads lead back to $$$ :rolleyes:

MIMIC
01-14-2012, 03:24 PM
Why is Bogomolov of all people announcing this?

duong
01-14-2012, 03:27 PM
We will see, but it's normal we've heard nothing else about this, as the players meeting was yesterday evening in Australia, may have finished late.

We should hear about that when it's morning in Australia.

Yesterday was Drewett's first talk to the players, may have started quite harsh :lol:

Shinoj
01-14-2012, 05:48 PM
Uncram the damn schedule.

nobama
01-14-2012, 09:26 PM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/tennis/oz-open-officials-on-alert-over-player-strike/story-fn77kxzt-1226244519747?sv=4abd89054221aad02e77e8a4870a05bf

Apparently Neil Harmon is reporting in the Times that #2 might step down as Vice President b/c he's so unhappy with the state of affairs on the tour.

Maccie
01-14-2012, 09:51 PM
Why are all those overpaid sporters going on a strike? Especially the top 100 doesn't have anything to complain about the money. If the guys playing futures would go on a strike I would maybe understand, but people playing grand slams, who get paid almost a years' salary for playing 3 sets of tennis, no way.

Looner
01-14-2012, 09:59 PM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/tennis/oz-open-officials-on-alert-over-player-strike/story-fn77kxzt-1226244519747?sv=4abd89054221aad02e77e8a4870a05bf

Apparently Neil Harmon is reporting in the Times that #2 might step down as Vice President b/c he's so unhappy with the state of affairs on the tour.

So there is some hope left for tennis after all. Let's hope for him to step down from the game as a whole ASAP so people are not subjected to his ass-picking.

Or Levy
01-14-2012, 10:05 PM
I am cautious about saying this, but I have a feeling Roger and Rafa disagree quite strongly on that issue. I don't think Roger is at all supportive of a strike, but that's pure speculation.

I'd love to see those meetings, that's for sure.

Timariot
01-14-2012, 10:13 PM
Why are all those overpaid sporters going on a strike? Especially the top 100 doesn't have anything to complain about the money. If the guys playing futures would go on a strike I would maybe understand, but people playing grand slams, who get paid almost a years' salary for playing 3 sets of tennis, no way.

I find it hilarious someone calls tennis players 'overpaid'. Outside of top 10 stalwarts, you can't really apply that term to any professional tennis player.

The thing is, Grand Slams are making giantanormous amount of money. Where does that money go?

Because it sure as fuck is not going to tennis.

tennisfan856
01-14-2012, 10:17 PM
AUSTRALIAN Open tennis officials were last night on high alert after talk of a player strike exploded over prizemoney and scheduling issues.

Tennis Australia refused to comment on the prospect of a player walkout on the eve of the richest grand slam event in history.

But the Herald Sun understands there is deep frustration among male players towards the four grand slams over prizemoney and Davis Cup scheduling.

The Australian Open is offering a record prize pool of $26million, but players are unsettled over the percentage of prizemoney reaching them.

The singles champions will each earn $2.3million, but lower-ranked competitors are upset over their level of pay.

While it is unlikely players will strike at Melbourne Park, other grand slams this season - French Open, Wimbledon and US Open - might be affected.

RELATED COVERAGE
Tennis serves up $30m in riches Adelaide Now, 26 Dec 2011
Drewett appointed ATP president The Australian, 23 Dec 2011
Big three chooses Arabian nights The Australian, 20 Dec 2011
Federer plays down strike talk FoxSports, 25 Nov 2011
Kvitova's buoyed for Australian adventure Adelaide Now, 1 Nov 2011


Male players met in the city to discuss the issue at the ATP World Tour's meeting.

Soon after, Twitter exploded as speculation of the possible strike and creation of a player union emerged.

Alex Bogomolov junior tweeted: "A players strike here at the Australian Open?? YES SIR!!"

Later, he tweeted: "Finally all the players united! Waited for 10 yeArs for this! Witnessing history in Tennis!"

Santiago Gonzalez also tweeted, citing the lower percentage of pay for players at the four majors compared with the ATP World Tour.

Top players, including Andy Murray and Andy Roddick, expressed their concerns over financial returns to players at September's US Open.

Since then, there has been a steady stream of players voicing their support for a greater slice of the revenues.

It is understood the player group is also pushing for change to the Davis Cup scheduling.

Play is due to start at Melbourne Park at 10am tomorrow.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/tennis/oz-open-officials-on-alert-over-player-strike/story-fn77kxzt-1226244519747

tennisfan856
01-14-2012, 10:22 PM
I really, really doubt anything will come of this. They should've prepared for a strike weeks before the aussie open, not some "out of nowhere" decision.

And the fact that the scrub bogomolov is only being vocal about this just shows the slam really won't be in jeopardy.

ibreak4coffee
01-14-2012, 10:22 PM
I think Bogomolov is managing expectations since he's likely to lose in R1 ;)

KaiserT
01-14-2012, 10:40 PM
I think Bogomolov is managing expectations since he's likely to lose in R1 ;)

He has a bye in R1.

thrust
01-14-2012, 11:55 PM
not to be controversial here but if you see the lack of professionalism from most of the guys ranked outside of the top 10 i think its only fair that they dont get paid as much. if you want to be a journeyman fine but dont expect to make that fat cash by showing up when it suits you and win a tournament here and there or make a deep run in a masters. if i am going to feel sorry for anyone its people starving in africa not spoiled tennis player who complain about the seasons length and lose first round matches they are supposed to win just to receive that turn-up money.

Great Post! If they do strike, they are greedy stupid jerks.

@Sweet Cleopatra
01-15-2012, 12:41 AM
Can anyone explain to me the issue cause I don't understand what's going on, please?

Orka_n
01-15-2012, 12:41 AM
Bogo :rolleyes:

nobama
01-15-2012, 12:48 AM
Overpaid in comparison to what? Certainly not other professional athletes. Heck a golfer can rake in close to $1M for winning a tournament with a bunch of b-list players in it.

nobama
01-15-2012, 12:51 AM
So there is some hope left for tennis after all. Let's hope for him to step down from the game as a whole ASAP so people are not subjected to his ass-picking.
I'm sure there are plenty of other players willing to take his spot so let him leave if he wants to.

Sunset of Age
01-15-2012, 12:55 AM
If - IF, which I doubt - anything of this is indeed true, it makes me rather sad to see a bunch of (multi-)MILLIONAIRES complaining, even while they are still in their twenties, racking up enough of cash already for their entire families to live without ANY financial problems within decades coming - whereas a massive majority of very hard working folks (and those who haven't even managed to get the 'luxury' of having a job at all, and please NO, don't tell me all of unemployed folks are unemployed because they are 'lazy' or anything the like :rolleyes:) having to go to their poorly payed jobs 40+ hours a week, 24/7, till at least their 65th years of age. Sheez.

Sorry. I feel no commisserations at all towards these guys. Spoilt BRATS, that's what they are. I'd really like to offer each and every one of these complainers to switch their 'job' with the first hard working street worker they come across, if only for just four weeks, and THEN see if they still think that they truly need to go on strike. These guys have in fact NO IDEA what they're talking about.
Disgusting. :(

Of course, I make an exception for those players (upcoming youngsters, journeymen) who really need to play as much as they do just to make a proper living.

I can only hope all of this is just a hoax. Please. :help:

Timariot
01-15-2012, 01:31 AM
Overpaid in comparison to what? Certainly not other professional athletes. Heck a golfer can rake in close to $1M for winning a tournament with a bunch of b-list players in it.

In fairness though, golf is bit of an exception because all the corporate execs dump huge amount of moolah into sport they themselves play. Personally I think golf is in a bubble which will eventually burst. If you compare tennis with most other individual sports, it's doing pretty well. There was once an article on ATP website comparing earnings of Jarkko Nieminen with those of his wife, who is a professional badminton player. It was more or less gloating how great tennis has it compared to badminton...

superganon
01-15-2012, 02:08 AM
look on the guys that plays the most atp tournaments like berdych and soderling. have they ever complained? instead its the guys that plays the least tournaments (only the big ones) and complain....instead of cutting down the schuedle all the time, start make ur own schuedle instead. i mean the calander for 2012 is out there for u to prepare as good as possible and play those tournaments u need/want. but ofc its easy for me to say all this with zero research about this issue....

fmolinari2005
01-15-2012, 02:22 AM
It would be, though, super fun to see what would happen at MTF if a strike really happens.

For me Federer said it all in that WTF interview: this is nonsensical. Not to say a bit stupid. Players won't get any sympathy from the public, given the current world wide crisis going on.

KaiserT
01-15-2012, 03:46 AM
The lower ranked players are clearly much more concerned with getting a fair share of the pay at Grand Slam events than scheduling issues.

The top guys make huge amounts, and although I have some sympathy with their complaints about scheduling it's hard to feel too sorry for them. To make a decent living in tennis you need to be in the top 100 playing main tour events and slams regularly, if you're out of the top 100 generally you'll struggle to make any real money once expenses are deducted. There is clearly an imbalance in the financial structure of grand slam events and players need to get a higher % of the revenue and this need to be addressed. The players as a collective don't like the way tennis is being run currently (for a variety of reasons) and the threat of drastic action may well be necessary.

tennisfan856
01-15-2012, 03:56 AM
I know it's frowned upon to discuss it on the forum, but I just found it kind of funny that an alleged fixer in the past is the first one to to start the commotion about improper distribution of pay.

Dmitry Verdasco
01-15-2012, 05:29 AM
If you don't like what is offered, just don't play :shrug: No one is forcing you to be there.

Macbrother
01-15-2012, 06:03 AM
Not everyone is in the top 10, people. Not everyone gets their hotels, meals, and travel arrangements comped. Shame on the players for being capitalists, attempting to achieve their fair share of market value.

It always boggles my mind how the working class sides with billionaires over millionaires in these situations.

Dmitry Verdasco
01-15-2012, 06:42 AM
They can get another job if they aren't happy with what they're offered :shrug: The player council is there to voice these kinds of concerns with the governing bodies - truth is I doubt any journeyman would stand up to any of Djokovic, Federer, Nadal.. concerning the fact that their winners paycheck has gone up astronomically and the R1 check hasn't - and I doubt it plays on the TOP 3's minds either.

Topspindoctor
01-15-2012, 06:57 AM
AlexDrBogomolov Alex Bogomolov
Finally all the players united! Waited for 10 yeArs for this! Witnessing history in Tennis!
10 minutes ago

AlexDrBogomolov Alex Bogomolov
A players strike here at the Australian Open?? YES SIR!!
13 minutes ago

They should ban Mugomolov from AO and Australia altogether.

fast_clay
01-15-2012, 07:07 AM
i agree with a bigger slice of GS revenue for players... but not about any complaint rising from the season schedule...

nobama
01-15-2012, 07:20 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/01/15/sports/tennis/AP-TEN-Australian-Open.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=IndiNews

January 15, 2012
Rafa, Roger Rift Emerges at Australian Open
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

MELBOURNE, Australia (AP) ó Rafael Nadal has criticized Roger Federer for letting other players "burn themselves" by complaining about tour conditions while enhancing his own reputation by rarely making negative comments about tennis.

The pair have always been respectful rivals, but the ongoing debate about the overcrowded tennis calendar has exposed a difference of opinion on the eve of the Australian Open.

After telling a pre-tournament news conference Sunday he had no intention of being the frontman for the players' grievances because it has reflected badly on him in the past, Nadal was then critical of Federer in a Spanish-language interview.

Responding to the suggestion that Federer disliked players complaining openly about problems on the tour because it tarnished the image of tennis, Nadal said he took another view.

"No, I totally disagree," he said in comments translated from Spanish. "For him it's good to say nothing. Everything positive. 'It's all well and good for me, I look like a gentleman,' and the rest can burn themselves.

"Everyone is entitled to have their own opinions."

Nadal and No. 4-ranked Andy Murray are among the players who have been outspoken in recent months on issues including an overcrowded calendar and the scheduling of Davis Cup matches. Some players have talked of strike action as recently as Saturday's player meeting in Melbourne; Nadal has said players may have to resort to "strong action" if there isn't an "evolution" in the calendar.

Federer and Nadal, who has 10 Grand Slam titles, dominated men's tennis for the seven years before Novak Djokovic won three of the four majors in 2011 and passed them both for the No. 1 ranking.

They're both key ambassadors for the tour, helping with promotional work and appearances at tournaments around the globe.

Nadal thinks that when the majority highlight problems on the tour, the intention is to make it better, not run it down.

"He likes the circuit. I like the circuit," Nadal said. "It's much better than many other sports but that doesn't mean that it couldn't be better. It doesn't mean there are some things about the tour that could change. The tour is fine, but there are some things that are bad. That's all we're saying.

"And the vast majority of players have this same opinion. He's got a different opinion ... if the vast majority have one opinion, and a small minority think differently, maybe it's them who are wrong."

For the first time since the 2005 French Open, Federer and Nadal are on the same side of the draw at a major, which means only one of them can reach the final on Jan. 29.

They both start Monday. Third-seeded Federer, a four-time Australian Open winner, is on Rod Laver Arena in a night match against Russian qualifier Alexander Kudryavtsev.

No. 2-ranked Nadal has the last match on Hisense Arena ó the second show court at Melbourne Park ó against Russian Alex Kuznetsov.

Defending champion Djokovic doesn't start until Tuesday. Women's champion Kim Clijsters is third match on Rod Laver Arena on Monday against Maria Joao Koehler of Portugal.

Li Na, who lost the Australian final last year but rebounded to win the French Open to become China's first Grand Slam singles champion, has a first-round match against Ksenia Pervak of Kazakhstan and No. 1-seeded Caroline Wozniacki, still searching for her first major title despite finishing the last two seasons with the top ranking, faces Australia's Anastasia Rodionova.

___

AP Sports Writer Caroline Cheese contributed to this report.

Macbrother
01-15-2012, 07:36 AM
They can get another job if they aren't happy with what they're offered :shrug: The player council is there to voice these kinds of concerns with the governing bodies - truth is I doubt any journeyman would stand up to any of Djokovic, Federer, Nadal.. concerning the fact that their winners paycheck has gone up astronomically and the R1 check hasn't - and I doubt it plays on the TOP 3's minds either.

Or they can fight for better benefits for the current job. Sorry if you find that idea unpalatable.

Lurking
01-15-2012, 07:53 AM
having to go to their poorly payed jobs 40+ hours a week, 24/7, till at least their 65th years of age. Sheez.

And why are they overworked and paid poorly for there services?

Because no one bothered to point out the issues in boom time, as they happily stuck there hands in there ears and pretended house prices always go up and that there pension funds aren't built on sand.

Pipsy
01-15-2012, 08:04 AM
I don't see any problem with money in Grand Slams being allocated more heavily towards the players, as long as the distribution from 1R loss to champion is fair. The complaint is clearly that the respective tennis associations siphon off too much of the profit. So, if you want to look at the issue in a utilitarian way, I'd suggest you side with the players concerns, since you could argue that as individuals, many are more philanthropic that their executive counterparts...

Ash86
01-15-2012, 08:12 AM
Some of the responses here are ridiculous: "If they don't like it, get another job" - uh... translate that into any other field and you're basically arguing that there should be no unions and workers should not ever ask for better conditions - just stick with what their given no matter how unfair it may be. :rolleyes: The point is not that these tennis players are starving but that the Grand Slams would not make any money without the players - it's a relationship of give and take - when the players are the most important part of the tournament why do they only get a 13% cut? I think it's perfectly logical to negotiate a better deal and players aren't selfish for doing so...

As for this Roger/Rafa thing according to twitter the tone of his Spanish language interview wasn't as aggressive as that article suggests and he's basically fed up as being made out to be the one who complains all the time, when from what he can tell at the players meeting etc. more players than not have concerns they want addressed. All that said this article suggests that in the English language press at least (which has most exposure after all) he just doesn't want to talk about it anymore because it gets him nowhere:

Melbourne - 2009 champion Rafael Nadal begins his Australian Open campaign on Monday against American Alex Kuznetsov, with the second seed still planning to stick to his programme of taking time off in February no matter how far he progresses over the next fortnight at Melbourne Park.
'I'm here in Australia 2012 with big motivation, with big passion, and trying to enjoy the previous weeks,' said the 25-year-old who ended 2011 on a down note as his game and mind ran out of energy and passion in the closing stages.

The ten-time Grand Slam winner has not lifted a trophy since claiming the French Open in June and missed several weeks of December off-season training due to a lingering shoulder injury which he now says is fine. 'I'm happy, I'm practising well. I'm enjoying everything and I will try to be ready for tomorrow,' said the Spaniard.

Nadal announced last month that he would take time off next month during a crowded season which also includes the London Olympics. 'This is not football where you have your matches, your calendar. 'We make out a calender every day. It doesn't depend on how many events you play, it depends how many matches you play.'

The world number two also said that he will cut down on his public complaints and criticisms of what he sees as injustices in tennis after getting nowhere with laments in the past over the Davis Cup and ATP schedules plus the distribution of prize money at the majors. As vice-president of the ATP Player Council, Nadal has a public forum, but he says all of his talking has only gained him notoriety and has accomplished nothing so far.
He refused to be drawn out on discussions held Saturday at an annual player meeting where reports indicated some were pushing for a player strike at upcoming Grand Slams over prize money.

Nadal has his thoughts, but he's not making them public anymore. 'I'm the one who in the past talked a lot about the calendar, talked a lot about the Davis Cup, talked a lot about the problem with the US Open. 'Now I not going to be the one who keep talking about a lot of things. I want to talk when we have real chances to make things happen.

'At the end of the day I look like I am the one who always talk about things that must change, and I don't win anything on that. I just lose time, energy, and the people can think that he's always the one who says the bad things, the negative things.'

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport/tennis/article_1685615.php/PREVIEW-Nadal-to-keep-opinions-to-himself-as-Australian-Open-begins

Many posters here can't stand Nadal anyway so have an issue with whatever he does but I don't see anything wrong with someone giving their individual opinion on things they think could change. The idea that there is nothing in tennis that could be improved is ludicrous - I agree & disagree with some of Nadal's ideas but given how he's not going to benefit a whole lot by any changes that are implemented (by the time they come in) I think it's good he still says what he thinks will be better for the future of the game. Fed & Rafa both love the game - they just differ on certain things - which is allowed in the real world.

Ash86
01-15-2012, 08:17 AM
Actual quotes from presser:

Q. Any comment on these reports of a possible players strike around the share of prize money given to players and Davis Cup commitments as well?
RAFAEL NADAL: I donít have any thoughts about that. I am here to support what most of the players think. But I not going to be the one who going to talk about these things, especially because I am always the one and I am tired.

Q. Did you have to say at the meeting last night, Sorry, guys, Iím not going to be the one leading this? At the US Open you were identified as someone who took the initiative.
RAFAEL NADAL: Nothing of strikes. I never take any initiative. I never say anything about strike. I never did.

Q. Last night did you have to say to the guys, Iím not going to be the public face?
RAFAEL NADAL: No. I gived to the rest of the tennis player, like another guys did, my opinion, and thatís it.

Q. Were you happy with the way the discussion went and what people were saying?
RAFAEL NADAL: I say before, something that happens in the meetings. Everybody have, you know, different thoughts. This time believe a lot of players have similar thoughts.
But I say before, everything that I will say, you know, will write in your words, and I donít want you to write nothing in your words.
Iím the one who in the past talk a lot about the calendar, talk a lot about the Davis Cup, talk a lot about the problem with the US Open. Now I not going to be the one who keep talking about a lot of things because finally if we have the right guys there to fight for us, maybe, but today we donít have that.

Q. But are you saying that because after what happened in New York, you were criticized by people for that?
RAFAEL NADAL: No, no, no. You know, when you are talking about Davis Cup, when you are talking about Grand Slams, when you are talking about calendar, when you are talking about a lot of things that can be better for the tour, a lot thinks, most of the players thinks thatís the right way. That is not happening. Thatís talk for talk.
I want to talk when we have real chances to make that happen. When we donít have chances to make that happen, because with how the world of tennis is working today, we donít have any chance on changes because we donít have the support of the structure.
I repeat, is talk for you. I give information for you to write newspapers. But at the end of the day I look like I am the one who always talk about things that must change, and I donít win nothing on that. I just lose time, energy, and the people can think that heís always the one who says the bad things, the negative things.
If I win something on that, I will keep talking. If I donít win something on that, when a lot of things happen, I will not tell you for sure in the past. We are not in that way to change situations even with the support of the super majority of the players. Even like that we didnít win nothing. Sorry, I am tired of keep working on these things.

http://www.tennispanorama.com/archives/21596

I don't think he'd be saying "super majority" of players if he was the only one who complained at the meeting...

habibko
01-15-2012, 09:34 AM
"No, I totally disagree," he said in comments translated from Spanish. "For him it's good to say nothing. Everything positive. 'It's all well and good for me, I look like a gentleman,' and the rest can burn themselves.

so much bitterness just like his tards :superlol:

this coming from the fucker who wants a 2-years ranking, he's the last one to talk about what the "rest" really needs

nobama
01-15-2012, 09:52 AM
Apparently #2 said different things in his Spanish pressser.

Dougie
01-15-2012, 09:56 AM
Some of the responses here are ridiculous: "If they don't like it, get another job" - uh... translate that into any other field and you're basically arguing that there should be no unions and workers should not ever ask for better conditions - just stick with what their given no matter how unfair it may be. :rolleyes: The point is not that these tennis players are starving but that the Grand Slams would not make any money without the players - it's a relationship of give and take - when the players are the most important part of the tournament why do they only get a 13% cut? I think it's perfectly logical to negotiate a better deal and players aren't selfish for doing so...

As for this Roger/Rafa thing according to twitter the tone of his Spanish language interview wasn't as aggressive as that article suggests and he's basically fed up as being made out to be the one who complains all the time, when from what he can tell at the players meeting etc. more players than not have concerns they want addressed. All that said this article suggests that in the English language press at least (which has most exposure after all) he just doesn't want to talk about it anymore because it gets him nowhere:



http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport/tennis/article_1685615.php/PREVIEW-Nadal-to-keep-opinions-to-himself-as-Australian-Open-begins

Many posters here can't stand Nadal anyway so have an issue with whatever he does but I don't see anything wrong with someone giving their individual opinion on things they think could change. The idea that there is nothing in tennis that could be improved is ludicrous - I agree & disagree with some of Nadal's ideas but given how he's not going to benefit a whole lot by any changes that are implemented (by the time they come in) I think it's good he still says what he thinks will be better for the future of the game. Fed & Rafa both love the game - they just differ on certain things - which is allowed in the real world.


Have some common sense. Weīre not talking about "any other field", weīre talking about guys who already make millions as it is, not some construction workes who get paid less than the minimum wage and are working in an environment thatīs unhealhty. Yes, the GSīs wouldnīt make money without the players, but as you said, itīs give and take, without the tournaments and the fans the players would get 0$. Do you think all the organisers, staff, umpires etc. should work for less, so that Rafa can make a few bucks more? Itīs a zero-sum game,who do you think need the extra money most? Not the top players.

Fed is right, itīs not just about the top players. Cutting the tournaments would seriously hurt the lower ranked players. Besides, as long as Nadal keeps playing the lucrative exhos, he should just keep his mouth shut.

And as for Bogomolov saluting the strike on twitter saying "waited for 10 years of this". WHAT!!??? Until two years ago the guy was playing almost exclusively the US challenger-circuit. Talk about turning your coat...

buzz
01-15-2012, 10:16 AM
Tennis players make a lot of money at GS tournaments and the distribution is pretty good I think. Complaints like we are getting only about 20% where is the rest of the money going? There are more people working there scheduling organizing security etc, stadiums have to be build improved renovated, And it should make some money.

For me GS tournie organizers should concentrate most on fair scheduling, how come a little rain results in different resting times, or the supersaterday at USO is just not fair in some cases. And the draws seem rigged, which is pretty bad. Money shouldn't tempt them in making bad decisions.

At the smaller atp tournies the prize money should go up and signing fee for top players should at least be lower, best would be to get rid of them. It's bad that when Federer or Nadal reach a quarterfinal at some atp tournie they earn more money than the winner who might be ranked about 40 in the world.

And I think that somebody out of the top 4 has no right to complain money for personal reasons. I've seen to many Murray comments for my liking in that direction.

Looner
01-15-2012, 11:03 AM
Finally his true face shows up like the self-serving ass-picker that he is. Once he cannot coax Fed into his bullshit, he immediately goes and bitches to the press. Class all round, I tell you.

I think before judging people and complaining to the press (for the nth issue he's had, just like in kindergarten), he should make it clear what they want and who they are. If he's talking about reducing tournament numbers because the top50 want so, he can go and quit tennis for all tennis fans should care. If he wants a reduction in mandatory events for top players, that is a bit more sensible. If he wants an increase for prize money from GSs, especially for qualies and 1st 2 rounds (where the seeds do not meet), then I also agree but not where they want to hog even MORE money for the latter stages. For crying out loud, the people who work at Wimbledon (in their restaurants) get paid minimum wage and are there only for the tradition. What a spoiled little ass-picker Nadal is, if he wants even more money. (and Ash and all the Nadaltards whatever is, stop defending him as Nadal never makes any sense so before he wants to complain he better set out his objectives).

Brentos
01-15-2012, 11:53 AM
They should ban Mugomolov from AO and Australia altogether.

I agree. I'm shocked he is a seeded player.

MaxPower
01-15-2012, 12:15 PM
Tennis players make a lot of money at GS tournaments and the distribution is pretty good I think. Complaints like we are getting only about 20% where is the rest of the money going? There are more people working there scheduling organizing security etc, stadiums have to be build improved renovated, And it should make some money.

For me GS tournie organizers should concentrate most on fair scheduling, how come a little rain results in different resting times, or the supersaterday at USO is just not fair in some cases. And the draws seem rigged, which is pretty bad. Money shouldn't tempt them in making bad decisions.

At the smaller atp tournies the prize money should go up and signing fee for top players should at least be lower, best would be to get rid of them. It's bad that when Federer or Nadal reach a quarterfinal at some atp tournie they earn more money than the winner who might be ranked about 40 in the world.

And I think that somebody out of the top 4 has no right to complain money for personal reasons. I've seen to many Murray comments for my liking in that direction.

Spot on. The only thing that would make sense is giving earlier rounds more money for slams but then should they get money just for coming there and lose? I think ATP should probably look into having some basic salary for players IF their prize money is below a certain threshold for the previous season. That makes sense to me. Giving a bigger % in the current system would only skew things even more.

Top players shouldn't have any more benefit. They already get attendance fees for just showing up in minor tournaments, lucrative sponsorship deals and more.

If anything balance is needed both on the tour and in the slams. The select few that can win a slam got the chance for 1 million+ while the ones who barely qualify get some peanuts. The #1 drags in 10 million a year while the #100 in the world have to fight to even make 100k.

On the other hand i like it too. It's what makes tennis ultra competitive. I've seen in some other sports where players get guaranteed multi-year, multi-million $ deals they seem to lose a lot of motivation. Rarely happens with tennis stars.

duong
01-15-2012, 12:22 PM
I don't think he'd be saying "super majority" of players if he was the only one who complained at the meeting...

The problem is always the same : is what Nadal complains for the same as what others complain for ?

I've been to general meetings like that : many people may have many things to complain for.

When it's the case, you may go out and think "nobody's happy, nothing goes right", as you personally think, which is what Nadal may have thought.

But if you listen properly to what everybody said, you may realize that they said completely different things from each other, even sometimes opposite things.

Nadal says "I was there in the meeting listening like everybody" : this is not what an union leader does : he finds something which may unite all the people and lets people vote on that.

He clearly decided not to be that leader, maybe because he's not able to summarize the complaints erasing, or because they don't fit at all what he wants personally, or because he doesn't want to fight as a collective leader, especially if it goes against his individual interests in the media (what he says indicates about the latter one)

Then this is not Nadal's strike if there may be a strike, and I won't let him say that the "vast majority of the players thinks like him" when nothing else than his own words expresses that, and when all of his complaints clearly were very personal concerns, and when some clearly went against the interests of the vast majority of the players like the two-years-ranking or the reduction of the number of mandatory events (which would lead to devaluated MAsters 1000 and better low tournaments, which both would not be good for low-ranked players).

masterclass
01-15-2012, 03:11 PM
PRIZE Money for Australian Open 2012 Men's and Women's Singles

1st Round..............$20,000 * 64 = $1,280,000
2nd Round.............$33,300 * 32 = $1,065,600
3rd Round..............$54,625 * 16 =....$874,000
4th Round............$109,250 * 8 =......$874,000
Quarter finalist.....$218,500 * 4 =......$874,000
Semi finalist..........$437,000 * 2 =......$874,000
Runners-up.......$1,150,000 * 1 =...$1,150,000
Winners............$2,300,000 * 1 =...$2,300,000
--------------------------------------------------
Men's Singles Payout......................$9,291,600
Women's Singles Payout.................$9,291,600
Total Singles Payout..................$18,583,200

PRIZE Money for Australian Open Men's and Women's Doubles (per pair)


1st Round................$9,600 * 32 =.....$307,200
2nd Round.............$17,200 * 16 =.....$275,200
3rd Round..............$31,500 * 8 =.......$252,000
Quarter finalist.......$56,000 * 4 =......$224,000
Semi finalist..........$113,000 * 2 =......$226,000
Runners-up..........$227,250 * 1 =.......$227,250
Winners...............$454,500 * 1 =.......$454,500

Men's Doubles Payout......................$1,966,150
Women's Doubles Payout................$1,966,150
Total Doubles Payout....................$3,932,300

PRIZE Money for Australian Open Mixed Doubles (per pair)

1st Round................$3,800 * 16 =.......$60,800
2nd Round...............$7,800 * 8 =...........62,400
Quarter finalist......$15,500 * 4 =.........$62,000
Semi finalist...........$33,900 * 2 =.........$67,800
Runners-up............$67,500 * 1 =.........$67,500
Winners...............$135,500 *1 =........$135,500

Total Mixed Doubles Payout.............$456,000

Total Payout.................................$22,971,500

All Prize Money in Australian Dollars

I thought the total announced prize pool was $26,000,000?
I would appreciate if someone could check my calculations...because it looks about 3 million off.:eek:

Respectfully,
masterclass

Vilnietė
01-15-2012, 04:03 PM
Players who lost in Qualies also get money.

yesh222
01-15-2012, 04:17 PM
Players who lose in the first round get $20K and they're complaining? I don't know whether or not they deserve more, but that's a good amount of money just to show up.

Roamed
01-15-2012, 04:23 PM
Players who lose in the first round get $20K and they're complaining? I don't know whether or not they deserve more, but that's a good amount of money just to show up.

It looks like a lot, but when you consider that the slams are the most highly rewarded of all tournaments, many of the R1 losers won't get into other ATP events, they have to spend money both on themselves and their companions all around the world to get to these events that will negate lots of their prize money, and it's just a tiny fraction of both the revenue and the amount that those who finish later on in the tournament get, it's not really enough to break even in some cases. I don't know how people who only survive on the challenger tour and ITF circuits do it.

buzz
01-15-2012, 04:44 PM
Players who lose in the first round get $20K and they're complaining? I don't know whether or not they deserve more, but that's a good amount of money just to show up.

Yeah GS must be nice money for players ranked about between 10 and 100. Every round it only gets better.

Atp tournies are different because they also have huge signing fees for the top players. I know people want to pay to see top players but now they get paid because they are a celebrity. If the prize money would be increased and no signing fees, top players would still on average earn more(the winner gets usually around twice the money of the finalist who gets twice the money of the semifinalists etc). And I think this earning difference should be enough considering the small differences in tennis level the top100 actually have. All top 100 guys are very good if you compare with soccer it would be the 1000 guys or even more who get the same money.

tennisfan856
01-15-2012, 05:38 PM
in my opinion, the fact that rafa is calling out roger for not siding with the majority of players is kind of exposing his own leadership skills. In fact, all 3 are exposed here (nole, murray, rafa) for not carrying their message the proper way. You don't need Roger if you have 3 out of the top 4 being on the same side. It would certainly help to have him, but respect the man's opinion and carry out the "strike" without him.

The top 100 make a good living, not NBA or NFL caliber, but they have to understand that they are playing a 2nd tier sport in the world. If you can earn 100k a year just for hanging around the 90's-100's, it's not bad considering the sponsorships at most of these atp tournaments. Hell, a lot of them have betting sites as the main sponsor and tennis was supposed to be on an anti-fixing crusade. There isn't much the sport can do when it isn't pulling enough corporate sponsorships. The Aussie Open is primarily sponsored by Kia for crying out loud.

duong
01-15-2012, 06:09 PM
in my opinion, the fact that rafa is calling out roger for not siding with the majority of players is kind of exposing his own leadership skills. In fact, all 3 are exposed here (nole, murray, rafa) for not carrying their message the proper way.

Which message ?

The message of "the majority of the players" ?

Djoko's message ?

Who says he carries the message of the "majority of the players" and what is this message ?

The only thing which suits what you say is that Nadal says that "the majority of the players thinki the same as him". Nothing else than that justifies the way we summarize this, but as Nadal's message is very hard to understand, I can't understand such a summary.

tennisfan856
01-15-2012, 06:12 PM
Which message ?

The message of "the majority of the players" ?

Djoko's message ?

Who says he carries the message of the "majority of the players" and what is this message ?

The only thing which suits what you say is that Nadal says that "the majority of the players thinki the same as him". Nothing else than that justifies the way we summarize this, but as Nadal's message is very hard to understand, I can't understand such a summary.

You made my point though. Due to their lack of leadership, no one is able to carry out the "message" in one unified way.

duong
01-15-2012, 06:25 PM
You made my point though. Due to their lack of leadership, no one is able to carry out the "message" in one unified way.

yes exactly, that's the problem.

Anyway, I don't think any of the top-players is able to be such a leader as Billie Jean King or Arthur Ashe could do.

In NBA, that's not top-players who carry the union and I think that's fair.

Henry Chinaski
01-15-2012, 07:13 PM
Has Rafa discussed the percentage of slam revenue issue before? His problem is that a lot of his complaints come across as self serving and not in the interests of the majority (2 year ranking for example).

The proportion of slam revenue issue is a valid one though. The four national federations make ridiculous profits out of the slams.

The LTA made about 30 million pounds sterling profit at wimbledon in 2010.

Even if they do reinvest in grass roots British tennis that doesn't help a 115 ranked journeyman from Argentina or Croatia much.

I'd imagine the profits for the TA/USTA/FFT at the other three are just as high, if not higher due to the greater prevalence of sponsors' branding.

The players have a right to question where this profit is going.

duong
01-15-2012, 11:03 PM
The proportion of slam revenue issue is a valid one though. The four national federations make ridiculous profits out of the slams.

The LTA made about 30 million pounds sterling profit at wimbledon in 2010.

Even if they do reinvest in grass roots British tennis that doesn't help a 115 ranked journeyman from Argentina or Croatia much.

I'd imagine the profits for the TA/USTA/FFT at the other three are just as high, if not higher due to the greater prevalence of sponsors' branding.

The players have a right to question where this profit is going.

The only thing I know about all that is that the profits from Roland-Garros are a very big part of the French Tennis Federation's revenues,

and that these French Tennis Federation's revenues were said to be very short for the changes expected in Roland-Garros.

It would be interesting to know about all that, especially if the ITF can get a part of the benefits or if at least some other federations can benefit from them.