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Do you think either sex has it easier than the other?

2003
01-12-2012, 09:31 AM
Or do you think its about the same?

I think men and women both face unique challenges in life. In some ways women have it harder, in some ways men, but I think it all evens itself out.

What do you guys think?

Most women I talk to think men have it far easier (no menstration, no childbirth etc), whilst men generally tend to argue for it being equal citing things like men have a higher suicide rate in many countries and we historically have been the ones who have to save the world and die for our countries when the worlds in trouble. Were also "expected" or expect ourselves to have a stiff upper lip and not talk about our problems or cry etc.

What do you think in all honesty?

2003
01-12-2012, 09:37 AM
Some potential talking points;

Gay men generally suffer more abuse than Lesbian women. I dont think theres as many gangs of women beating up lesbians as say the reverse. Also Most men find lesbians hot so they only get abuse really from one side so to speak.

Men never really have to worry about being ***** every time they go out.

Women have total control over abortion. If Woman wants it and man doesnt, hes gotta pay child support. If he wants it and she doesnt, he has no say.

Men never have to go through menstration or childbirth!

Women can get sex easier I think.

Men orgasm easier than women. SOme women cant even experience that.

But theres more pressure on men to perform during sex, more things can go wrong.

Women can always prostitute themselves or have a kid and get the government to pay for their lifestyles. What can men to when theyre in poverty?

Women live longer than men.

Men are paid much more than women often for doing the same task.

Most music/sports industries are male dominated.

Men are stronger/faster on average.

But theres less depth in female sports. Its easier for them to break through.

Men never have to go through menopause.

Men dont have an excuse to be bitchy 5 days a month!

Although women do ask out men these days, women generally dont have to worry quite as much about "finding someone", as the men generally tend to approach the women.

Bilbo
01-12-2012, 09:59 AM
I think when it comes to dating, women have it easier. They only need to wait to get approached and choose from all the different men without doing much. It doesn't even matter how shy they are or how many mistakes they do. Even more, when a beautiful woman has the balls to approach men it becomes ridiculously easy for them to hook up.

Johnny Groove
01-12-2012, 10:47 AM
Equal.

GOAT = Fed
01-12-2012, 10:58 AM
You're either a male, female or GOAT = Fed. Only one sex has it easiest and that's GOAT = Fed.

out_here_grindin
01-12-2012, 01:52 PM
Equal.

yeah I think all the things 2003 listed pretty much balance each other out.

star
01-12-2012, 01:56 PM
Take a look at the statistics world wide for being *****, murdered, mutilated, beaten, sold into slavery, held in sexual subjugation etc. and then come back and we’ll have a discussion about it.

Certinfy
01-12-2012, 02:02 PM
I think when it comes to dating, women have it easier. They only need to wait to get approached and choose from all the different men without doing much. It doesn't even matter how shy they are or how many mistakes they do. Even more, when a beautiful woman has the balls to approach men it becomes ridiculously easy for them to hook up.
This I totally agree with.

Sham Kay
01-12-2012, 05:08 PM
Depends on the country. Difficult to judge on a worldwide basis, since men and women are treated differently around the world, and the intricacies of just being male or female is only scratching the surface.

I'll just throw in the opinion and stick with it. Generally, Women have it slightly easier than Men in the more developed countries. Generally, Women have it tougher than Men in the less developed countries.

From personal experience, Women have it the toughest in certain areas of Asia (and Africa probably, though I know less about this).

Pirata.
01-12-2012, 06:27 PM
Women can get sex easier I think.

Don't think so.

Take a look at the statistics world wide for being *****, murdered, mutilated, beaten, sold into slavery, held in sexual subjugation etc. and then come back and we’ll have a discussion about it.

This.

Bilbo
01-12-2012, 06:29 PM
Don't think so.

Ever approached guys?

Sauletekis
01-12-2012, 07:09 PM
Glad that a read not only the tittle, cause I thank this thread was about having sex. Witch for girls is a lot easier, and it's not even a debate.

About the question of the thread, I think it's 50/50, but for me personally I think it's a bit harder for the ladies, but that's only because I have blood phobia, and I don't don't If I can accepted the fact that I had menstruation.

Sauletekis
01-12-2012, 07:12 PM
BTW, good thread mate.

Bilbo
01-12-2012, 07:19 PM
Don't be scared now, Pirata. It was an honest question.

Smoke944
01-12-2012, 07:20 PM
Don't think so.



:scratch:

Bilbo
01-12-2012, 07:29 PM
Take the most beautiful woman and the most beautiful man in a nightclub with let's say 500 people. Let both of them approach men and women, respectively, and ask them whether they want to sleep with her/him. Guess who will be more successful? I would bet my house on the woman any day. The most beautiful man could never rival the most beautiful woman. Why is that? Because men rate looks first and women not. This experiment has been done a dozen times and the woman has always won. It was not even close.

2003
01-12-2012, 07:55 PM
Take the most beautiful woman and the most beautiful man in a nightclub with let's say 500 people. Let both of them approach men and women, respectively, and ask them whether they want to sleep with her/him. Guess who will be more successful? I would bet my house on the woman any day. The most beautiful man could never rival the most beautiful woman. Why is that? Because men rate looks first and women not. This experiment has been done a dozen times and the woman has always won. It was not even close.

I also think that whe men go clubbing, most or all of us have it in the back of our mind that it will be a perfect night if we "pick up".

Not saying that its all guys primary motive, but I think its a large reason why some guys go clubbing.

Where as I think for women, I dont think as many go clubbing with the goal to pick up soley. I think they can have a perfect night without copping off. Where as It would be a lot harder for a guy to have a perfect night without getting something I think :D

2003
01-12-2012, 07:59 PM
Don't think so.

Supporting your arguement is that it takes a man and a women to have sex.

So techincally every time sex happens, a man and women are both doing it.

So in essence men and women get the same ammount of sex if you add up every sexual encounter in history.

2003
01-12-2012, 08:03 PM
One big thing I forgot, it's a lot more expensive to be a female (beauty products).

A lot more maintanace and takes a lot longer to get ready to go out.

Men dont have to shave their legs, though they do have to shave in many cases every day which is a pain in the ass.

Bilbo
01-12-2012, 08:06 PM
Where as I think for women, I dont think as many go clubbing with the goal to pick up soley.

Not for the goal to pick up guys but to get laid. Most women in clubs want to get laid.

star
01-12-2012, 08:06 PM
Ever approached guys?

The thread op was not about whether it was easier for women or men to get sexual partners, but over all whether men or women had it easier.

Most women I talk to think men have it far easier (no menstration, no childbirth etc), whilst men generally tend to argue for it being equal citing things like men have a higher suicide rate in many countries and we historically have been the ones who have to save the world and die for our countries when the worlds in trouble. Were also "expected" or expect ourselves to have a stiff upper lip and not talk about our problems or cry etc.

Bilbo
01-12-2012, 08:08 PM
The thread op was not about whether it was easier for women or men to get sexual partners, but over all whether men or women had it easier.

We can still discuss the differences here because it got listed from the OP.

Sauletekis
01-12-2012, 08:14 PM
Take the most beautiful woman and the most beautiful man in a nightclub with let's say 500 people. Let both of them approach men and women, respectively, and ask them whether they want to sleep with her/him. Guess who will be more successful? I would bet my house on the woman any day. The most beautiful man could never rival the most beautiful woman. Why is that? Because men rate looks first and women not. This experiment has been done a dozen times and the woman has always won. It was not even close.

Bad example. If you said a mixed of beautiful, average and ugly men and women, I would agree with you. For Beautiful man it's very esy to "get laid" as well. The thing is that there is a huge difference between the % of success between gorgeous men and average ones. I'm not going even to mention the ugly ones.

If you are an average men, you have to have the talking skills with a lady. If you are ugly, it's way unlikely that you will have any success at all. Maybe with some ugly women. But if you are handsome, you don't need to do much. Just showing up.

About the ladies, there is almost no difference between beautiful and average looking women. Of course most of guys will prefere the beautiful one, but they will be very happy if they "score" against an average girl as well. The only women that have it more harder are the ugly ones, but even them can get an average of even a beautiful guy, in some days. Specially with make up, good dressing and taking advantage of the guy wants to "score" badly or/and being very drunk.

But the most beautiful guys and most beautiful girls it's not far from 50/50 %.

Sauletekis
01-12-2012, 08:15 PM
And of course there is the big factor of the girls being easy or serious. But that depends on the places you go out. And the countries as well...

Bilbo
01-12-2012, 08:16 PM
Bad example. If you said a mixed of beautiful, average and ugly men and women, I would agree with you. For Beautiful man it's very esy to "get laid" as well. The thing is that there is a huge difference between the % of success between gorgeous men and average ones. I'm not going even to mention the ugly ones.

If you are an average men, you have to have the talking skills with a lady. If you are ugly, it's way unlikely that you will have any success at all. Maybe with some ugly women. But if you are handsome, you don't need to do much. Just showing up.

About the ladies, there is almost no difference between beautiful and average looking women. Of course most of guys will prefere the beautiful one, but they will be very happy if they "score" against an average girl as well. The only women that have it more harder are the ugly ones, but even them can get an average of even a beautiful guy, in some days. Specially with make up, good dressing and taking advantage of the guy wants to "score" badly or/and being very drunk.

But the most beautiful guys and most beautiful girls it's not far from 50/50 %.

I don't agree with this. I've observed different things.

star
01-12-2012, 08:18 PM
We can still discuss the differences here because it got listed from the OP.


I agree that it’s easier to shift the conversation away from the kinds of horrors faced by women in the world.

Much easier to talk about making moves in nightclubs.

Bilbo
01-12-2012, 08:21 PM
I agree that it’s easier to shift the conversation away from the kinds of horrors faced by women in the world.

Much easier to talk about making moves in nightclubs.

If you don't like it, it's your problem.

Sauletekis
01-12-2012, 08:26 PM
I don't agree with this. I've observed different things.

Ok, it's your experience. I've know so many girls who are more "guys thinking" than some guys. From every countries.

Sauletekis
01-12-2012, 08:30 PM
One big thing I forgot, it's a lot more expensive to be a female (beauty products).

A lot more maintanace and takes a lot longer to get ready to go out.

Men dont have to shave their legs, though they do have to shave in many cases every day which is a pain in the ass.

About the shaving, yes, I agree women should do it, but I wouldn't mind if they didn't buy beauty products. Most of them don't even need them.:shrug: Actually some of them even look worst than they did before putting make up. But if they feel better with their selves, I don't have any problem with that as well.

out_here_grindin
01-12-2012, 08:53 PM
Take a look at the statistics world wide for being *****, murdered, mutilated, beaten, sold into slavery, held in sexual subjugation etc. and then come back and we’ll have a discussion about it.

men are murdered more often than women.

Nunyabeezwax
01-12-2012, 09:16 PM
Sex is never easy. It's hard work but with a big payoff.

leng jai
01-12-2012, 09:46 PM
Fuck me Bilbo is like the encyclopedia of sex.

abraxas21
01-12-2012, 11:35 PM
I think when it comes to dating, women have it easier. They only need to wait to get approached and choose from all the different men without doing much.

only valid for pretty girls

ugly girls probly have it pretty rough.


Depends on the country. Difficult to judge on a worldwide basis, since men and women are treated differently around the world, and the intricacies of just being male or female is only scratching the surface.

I'll just throw in the opinion and stick with it. Generally, Women have it slightly easier than Men in the more developed countries. Generally, Women have it tougher than Men in the less developed countries.

From personal experience, Women have it the toughest in certain areas of Asia (and Africa probably, though I know less about this).

this

EnriqueIG8
01-12-2012, 11:39 PM
only valid for pretty girls

ugly girls probly have it pretty rough.




I don't know I think Bilbo might be right on this one.

If an 'ugly' girl really wants to have sex she can take home at least 10 guys from a club. If an 'ugly' guy wants to have sex I don't think he can take a girl home that easily.

I also think girls who are too pretty, aren't really approached much by guys because much guys already think she is out of his league.

abraxas21
01-12-2012, 11:43 PM
I don't know I think Bilbo might be right on this one.

If an 'ugly' girl really wants to have sex she can take home at least 10 guys from a club. If an 'ugly' guy wants to have sex I don't think he can take a girl home that easily.

how ugly?

in general, ugly men tend to have it easier than ugly women because women tend to give more importance to personality than looks whereas it's more like the opposite with men (compared to chicks at least).

a lot of people seem to think this means that men are more shallow. yet, i don't see it like that at all

EnriqueIG8
01-12-2012, 11:45 PM
how ugly?

in general, ugly men tend to have it easier than ugly women because women tend to give more importance to personality than looks whereas it's more like the opposite (compared to chicks at least).

Yeah well amigo you are right about that one. Girls do care for personality more than guys.

I don't know where to draw the line when it comes to ugly :lol:

Let's say from 1-10. A girl in the range of 4-7 gets more nookie if she wants to in my opinion.

abraxas21
01-12-2012, 11:52 PM
I also think girls who are too pretty, aren't really approached much by guys because much guys already think she is out of his league.

a lot of people seem to think this but i don't...

last year i started talking to who probably is the prettiest girl i've ever seen in my life. perfect body, big eyes and a face that was so innocent and beautiful you'd feel trapped. all of my mates thought she was incredibly good looking too. i tried subtly to get to know her and perhaps get a date but apparently she wasn't interested cause she didn't respond with interest to my messages. last i knew from her was that she has a boyfriend. there are pics of 2 together on facebook. dude isn't ugly but he is'nt good looking either. just a regular guy.

abraxas21
01-12-2012, 11:55 PM
Yeah well amigo you are right about that one. Girls do care for personality more than guys.

I don't know where to draw the line when it comes to ugly :lol:

Let's say from 1-10. A girl in the range of 4-7 gets more nookie if she wants to in my opinion.

if she wants to, probably. :)


a random slightly drunk man at a club could easily hook up with a girl in that range (so to speak of lol) but i do think that when it comes to relationships ugly girls have it more difficult

Topspindoctor
01-13-2012, 12:01 AM
Trying to pick up a broad in a club with no guarantee of sex after wasting money buying her drinks is stupid. Just get a hooker, at least then you're both honest what you're really after.

EnriqueIG8
01-13-2012, 12:03 AM
Trying to pick up a broad in a club with no guarantee of sex after wasting money buying her drinks is stupid. Just get a hooker, at least then you're both honest what you're really after.

Where is the passionate love making, mate :lol:

In that department women have it easier than men. Having sex for money.

abraxas21
01-13-2012, 12:11 AM
Trying to pick up a broad in a club with no guarantee of sex after wasting money buying her drinks is stupid. Just get a hooker, at least then you're both honest what you're really after.

i've already heard this analysis in a cost/benefit perspective from some of my friends...

but you're missing the point, imo. it's not about honesty. most men are open enough to recognize that they want to get laid when they go on a night out. however, most men wouldn't go to a hooker. why? i think it's manly because of how degrading it is. in that regard it should be accounted that a great part of picking up girls is about ego. on the other hand, there's nothing to be proud about having sex with a hooker...

Sauletekis
01-13-2012, 12:21 AM
I don't know I think Bilbo might be right on this one.

If an 'ugly' girl really wants to have sex she can take home at least 10 guys from a club. If an 'ugly' guy wants to have sex I don't think he can take a girl home that easily.

I also think girls who are too pretty, aren't really approached much by guys because much guys already think she is out of his league.

It's funny I don't agree with Bilbo, but I totally agree with what you said. The bolt part it's so true. The very few times I've been with girls out of league, I never even try cause I would never think that I had a chance. It was them that came to me.

Topspindoctor
01-13-2012, 12:23 AM
i've already heard this analysis in a cost/benefit perspective from some of my friends...

but you're missing the point, imo. it's not about honesty. most men are open enough to recognize that they want to get laid when they go on a night out. however, most men wouldn't go to a hooker. why? i think it's manly because of how degrading it is. in that regard it should be accounted that a great part of picking up girls is about ego. on the other hand, there's nothing to be proud about having sex with a hooker...

Fucking a prostitute is only degrading if you abide by social norms and care about peer pressure. It's like drinking alone. Most people will tell you that drinking is strictly a social thing, but a lot of people enjoy a few shots when they're alone in front of TV, they just don't want to admit it, lest they appear to be a "loser" in front of their friends.

Ego and pride are silly things, same as honor, chivalry and all the other nonsense we've read in fairy tales when we were kids. In my view someone who simply pays money to fuck a hooker (or a "working lady" as we call them in AU) is far more honest about his intentions than someone who goes to a club to try to pick up someone for the same purpose. What's the point? Boasting to your friends later on that you're a "player"? I don't get it.

Sauletekis
01-13-2012, 12:25 AM
i've already heard this analysis in a cost/benefit perspective from some of my friends...

but you're missing the point, imo. it's not about honesty. most men are open enough to recognize that they want to get laid when they go on a night out. however, most men wouldn't go to a hooker. why? i think it's manly because of how degrading it is. in that regard it should be accounted that a great part of picking up girls is about ego. on the other hand, there's nothing to be proud about having sex with a hooker...

This. Plus there is no exciting for most of the guys when they think they are having sex with a hooker. They will always think that 30 minutes earlier she was having sex with other guy, and 30 minutes after she was having sex again. At least I would think this way.

If they are paying drinks to a girl, trying to get her into bedm and in the end having their mission accomplished it's way more exciting and better for your ego, because you will think that your flirting skills are still on-fire. And you will never see the other girl as a hooker. Just a normal girl that wants to have fun like you.

Sauletekis
01-13-2012, 12:29 AM
Fucking a prostitute is only degrading if you abide by social norms and care about peer pressure. It's like drinking alone. Most people will tell you that drinking is strictly a social thing, but a lot of people enjoy a few shots when they're alone in front of TV, they just don't want to admit it, lest they appear to be a "loser" in front of their friends.

Ego and pride are silly things, same as honor, chivalry and all the other nonsense we've read in fairy tales when we were kids. In my view someone who simply pays money to fuck a hooker (or a "working lady" as we call them in AU) is far more honest about his intentions than someone who goes to a club to try to pick up someone for the same purpose. What's the point? Boasting to your friends later on that you're a "player"? I don't get it.


Maybe you're right, but you must understand people live in a society. Without social norms, world would going into colapse. It's impossible for every single human being in the world to completely forgot about all social norms. Even if you don't realise, you follow that norms as a pattern in every single day, in every single action.

EnriqueIG8
01-13-2012, 12:35 AM
It's funny I don't agree with Bilbo, but I totally agree with what you said. The bolt part it's so true. The very few times I've been with girls out of league, I never even try cause I would never think that I had a chance. It was them that came to me.

Well I really do think most of the guys are afraid of approaching beautiful women but not all beautiful women are cocky and shallow.

I think Bilbo already mentioned before and I completely agree with it; if you are decent looking and approach a beautiful girl with a original way you might be lucky because she can be surprised that you have the balls to approach her while lots of guy don't.

i've already heard this analysis in a cost/benefit perspective from some of my friends...

but you're missing the point, imo. it's not about honesty. most men are open enough to recognize that they want to get laid when they go on a night out. however, most men wouldn't go to a hooker. why? i think it's manly because of how degrading it is. in that regard it should be accounted that a great part of picking up girls is about ego. on the other hand, there's nothing to be proud about having sex with a hooker...

Not saying that you just said this but I am not buying the argument that having sex with a hooker is more filty than having sex with a random girl in the club who has sex with lots of people because in general I think hookers have to be really clean and SATD free all the time.

I do however thing it's exciting to go for the hunt and to play the flirt game when you go out, rather than paying money to have meaningless sex with a girl who knows her ways.


:lol: How this thread is turning out from men/women chances in life to having sex with hookers is a complete mystery to me.

2003
01-13-2012, 12:42 AM
This. Plus there is no exciting for most of the guys when they think they are having sex with a hooker. They will always think that 30 minutes earlier she was having sex with other guy, and 30 minutes after she was having sex again. At least I would think this way.

If they are paying drinks to a girl, trying to get her into bedm and in the end having their mission accomplished it's way more exciting and better for your ego, because you will think that your flirting skills are still on-fire. And you will never see the other girl as a hooker. Just a normal girl that wants to have fun like you.

Also, she/you will be clock watching too, and thats just no fun at all, you should get rewarded for lasting longer, not be thing its going to cost you another $60

abraxas21
01-13-2012, 01:02 AM
Well I really do think most of the guys are afraid of approaching beautiful women but not all beautiful women are cocky and shallow.

I think Bilbo already mentioned before and I completely agree with it; if you are decent looking and approach a beautiful girl with a original way you might be lucky because she can be surprised that you have the balls to approach her while lots of guy don't.



Not saying that you just said this but I am not buying the argument that having sex with a hooker is more filty than having sex with a random girl in the club who has sex with lots of people because in general I think hookers have to be really clean and SATD free all the time.

I do however thing it's exciting to go for the hunt and to play the flirt game when you go out, rather than paying money to have meaningless sex with a girl who knows her ways.

yeah

not that this is relevant to the thread but from a personal perspective, i'm not too good at flirting. however, at the risk of getting bilbo-like, i must say i've come to realize that a good strategy for me is to:

(1) always maintain eye-contact, looking at the girl deep in her eyes almost all of the time increases chances, imo. once a girl told me that i should stop flirting at her with my stare when all i was doing was simply looking at her eyes deeply.

(2) let the girls do the talking. girls love to talk about themselves so it's good to keep them entertained about their own sutff. plus, this is esp. good for me as i'm not much of a talker.

it's actually quite amazing how these 2 basic things seem to work quite a bit. i'd recommend it to everyone with a relatively reserved personality. it doesn't take much skills at all.


:lol: How this thread is turning out from men/women chances in life to having sex with hookers is a complete mystery to me.

wait some time and it will become a fed-v-nadal thread ;)

Lopez
01-13-2012, 01:06 AM
As Sham said, it really depends on the part of the world. Overall, I'd say women have it worse.

The difference between, say Central and Northern Europe compared to the Middle East is huge and not comparable.

Here in Scandinavia the sexes are quite equal IMO.

Getta
01-13-2012, 01:06 AM
not in Europe.

v-money
01-13-2012, 01:13 AM
Have it easier when it comes to what? Women have way more difficult lives in many parts of the world and even in industrialized countries women have a harder life when it comes to things like making money and supporting children after marriages have fallen apart (or if they were unmarried).

...and 2003, I don't think sexual performance or ability to get an orgasm really constitute as great hardships in life.

out_here_grindin
01-13-2012, 01:28 AM
Trying to pick up a broad in a club with no guarantee of sex after wasting money buying her drinks is stupid. Just get a hooker, at least then you're both honest what you're really after.

http://thumbs.ifood.tv/files/images/Lawrence_Taylor.jpg

tripwires
01-13-2012, 11:25 AM
Women have to suffer PMS and periods. Men don't. End of thread.

Sham Kay
01-13-2012, 11:42 AM
Women have to suffer PMS and periods. Men don't. End of thread.

Yeah, but we're the ones who have to suffer the wrath of the resulting mood swings.

*Packs up and heads for the hills*

Bilbo
01-13-2012, 11:46 AM
I also think girls who are too pretty, aren't really approached much by guys because much guys already think she is out of his league.

Agreed.

a lot of people seem to think this but i don't...

last year i started talking to who probably is the prettiest girl i've ever seen in my life. perfect body, big eyes and a face that was so innocent and beautiful you'd feel trapped. all of my mates thought she was incredibly good looking too. i tried subtly to get to know her and perhaps get a date but apparently she wasn't interested cause she didn't respond with interest to my messages. last i knew from her was that she has a boyfriend. there are pics of 2 together on facebook. dude isn't ugly but he is'nt good looking either. just a regular guy.

But what has it to do with what Javi said?

It doesn't surprise me that he's average looking. You've already given the answer to yourself. It is because women rate personality first.

Gagsquet
01-13-2012, 11:48 AM
Men's brain got, on average, 16% more nerve cells than women one so the answer is obvious. Sorry dumb sex.

Bilbo
01-13-2012, 11:50 AM
It's funny I don't agree with Bilbo, but I totally agree with what you said. The bolt part it's so true. The very few times I've been with girls out of league, I never even try cause I would never think that I had a chance. It was them that came to me.

The main problem for these guys is that they only think she's out of his league because of her looks. However, if you look at what she has achieved in life, you are likely out of her league. When you deal with girls, you have to be the price and make it clear to her. Not the other way around. If she wants you, good, if not it's her problem.

Bilbo
01-13-2012, 11:54 AM
yeah

not that this is relevant to the thread but from a personal perspective, i'm not too good at flirting. however, at the risk of getting bilbo-like, i must say i've come to realize that a good strategy for me is to:

(1) always maintain eye-contact, looking at the girl deep in her eyes almost all of the time increases chances, imo. once a girl told me that i should stop flirting at her with my stare when all i was doing was simply looking at her eyes deeply.

(2) let the girls do the talking. girls love to talk about themselves so it's good to keep them entertained about their own sutff. plus, this is esp. good for me as i'm not much of a talker.

it's actually quite amazing how these 2 basic things seem to work quite a bit. i'd recommend it to everyone with a relatively reserved personality. it doesn't take much skills at all.

They are basic things and I do it all the time.

1) Hold strong eye contact to increase the sexual tension.
2) Make her invest into you, so that you remain a challenge for her. However, after all you still need to lead the conversation if you want to come off as a confident guy.

tripwires
01-13-2012, 11:58 AM
Yeah, but we're the ones who have to suffer the wrath of the resulting mood swings.

*Packs up and heads for the hills*

I suffer my own wrath more than others. :p I could also go into TMI details about the physical aspects of PMS but I don't think anyone wants to know.

Shinoj
01-13-2012, 03:44 PM
In terms of career and relationship,woman definitely have it easier. All they have to choose is a wealthy guy with a good career. And they have a motley of guys hanging over them all the time.All they have to do is to choose the best one of the lot.

Whereas we guys have to pamper them,humor them,make us show our best personality and have a good opinion about everything in the world. And in the end you are not even sure you would get that:tape:. Its hard work if you ask me.

Bilbo
01-13-2012, 03:48 PM
In terms of career and relationship,woman definitely have it easier. All they have to choose is a wealthy guy with a good career. And they have a motley of guys hanging over them all the time.All they have to do is to choose the best one of the lot.

Whereas we guys have to pamper them,humor them,make us show our best personality and have a good opinion about everything in the world. And in the end you are not even sure you would get that:tape:. Its hard work if you ask me.

Agree with all of what you have said.

And if she doesn't like the guy, she still has plenty of orbiters (those guys who still hang around her) to choose from.

Naudio Spanlatine
01-13-2012, 03:50 PM
Thats because we women are flexible:aplot: :kiss:

abraxas21
01-13-2012, 09:33 PM
Men's brain got, on average, 16% more nerve cells than women one so the answer is obvious. Sorry dumb sex.

:lol:

2003
01-13-2012, 09:35 PM
Women get periods.

But a lot of people get bad back pain, which doesnt dissapear after 5 days. People live in wheelchairs. Some are disabled.

Of course, some women have these things ontop of periods too.

Then again, some contraceptive shots can kill periods for some women. Being a skinny runner and you might get minimal period :worship:


Then again, some males have sexual disfunction. That stuff is rough and doesnt just happen 5 days a month :help:

Some guys have to worry about penis size eeeek. Sure, some women might feel pressure about their bodies, breast size etc, but nothing surely can compare to how much is made (by ourselves and females) of sexual performance.

abraxas21
01-13-2012, 09:42 PM
In terms of career and relationship,woman definitely have it easier. All they have to choose is a wealthy guy with a good career. And they have a motley of guys hanging over them all the time.All they have to do is to choose the best one of the lot.

that might be so for the ones that look like gisele bundchen. the rest, i assure you, don't have it that easy. in fact, ugliness is far worse in terms of career and relationships (not including one-night stands) for women that it is for men.


Whereas we guys have to pamper them,humor them,make us show our best personality and have a good opinion about everything in the world.

it doesn't have to work like that... you can act like an asshole and still get the girl... it all depends

Sauletekis
01-13-2012, 10:25 PM
it doesn't have to work like that... you can act like an asshole and still get the girl... it all depends

Actually, it seems that acting like an asshole pays off in the end of the day...

Bilbo
01-13-2012, 10:27 PM
Actually, it seems that acting like an asshole pays off in the end of the day...

Which is not surprising as bad boys are sexually more interesting for many women.

Kat_YYZ
01-14-2012, 04:16 AM
what a shit this thread has turned into.

Kat_YYZ
01-14-2012, 05:09 AM
In terms of career and relationship,woman definitely have it easier. All they have to choose is a wealthy guy with a good career. And they have a motley of guys hanging over them all the time.All they have to do is to choose the best one of the lot.

Whereas we guys have to pamper them,humor them,make us show our best personality and have a good opinion about everything in the world. And in the end you are not even sure you would get that:tape:. Its hard work if you ask me.

congrats on being able to post to an internet forum all the way back from the 1950s. I had no idea time travel had been invented and is working so well.

What planet are you living on? Every woman I know -- married or single -- has a job.

Moreover, this a one of the riskiest life plans a woman can have. You open yourself up to mistreatment and abuse from your partner, since you can't leave because you need someone to take care of you financially. Also, the extremely wealthy tend to marry within their own class. And the moderately wealthy are vulnerable. We've seen what the economic crisis and downsizing has done to even executive-level jobs. If a woman doesn't have the skills to earn her own money and be independent, that is a very sad and scary existence these days.

MaxPower
01-14-2012, 08:53 AM
It's about perspective. If you are born in the 3rd world then I think men got it easier. They are more "wanted". They can do hard physical labor and are less expensive since many cultures the woman is married away with some big gifts coming along. The man is also the one that keeps the family legacy going so many parents are desperate for a boy and will treasure a boy more.

In the west it's more equal. I think like many said women have it easier to find a partner. Meanwhile they have it harder to advance to boss status but lets face it: most people won't get a high management job anyway.

One drawback is the childbirth that can cost the career but in some sense that must be seen as a gift as well. They often can form a special intimate bond with the babies that the father can't really compete with and might gain a lot of happiness and such things that makes up for all the hardships of the pregnancy.

Men have to worry about the constant "dick measuring" vs other males that often leads to fights, injuries in sports and other problems most women don't think much about but it's a natural thing for men that start from an early age. Also military service (some countries) and hard dangerous labor is more common that could lead to injury and death.

Women on average live longer. Men are usually bigger and taller and have more things that can go wrong with them. Bigger body parts and organs that can malfunction, more cells that can get cancer etc. (don't bring up breast cancer here because prostate cancer actually kills more, yet recieves not nearly as much funding)

In the end I'd say it's about equal. Life is what you make it and you got to play the hand you are dealt. Imagine how much easier beautiful women and men have over more average looking ones? Imagine all the poor souls that got some chronic disease from birth or a birth defect? Life has never been fair. Men and women can only be totally equal if there were no differences. But there clearly are so...

Bilbo
01-14-2012, 11:45 AM
congrats on being able to post to an internet forum all the way back from the 1950s. I had no idea time travel had been invented and is working so well.

What planet are you living on? Every woman I know -- married or single -- has a job.

Moreover, this a one of the riskiest life plans a woman can have. You open yourself up to mistreatment and abuse from your partner, since you can't leave because you need someone to take care of you financially. Also, the extremely wealthy tend to marry within their own class. And the moderately wealthy are vulnerable. We've seen what the economic crisis and downsizing has done to even executive-level jobs. If a woman doesn't have the skills to earn her own money and be independent, that is a very sad and scary existence these days.

It is not what he was trying to say. He was saying that women usually look for man with a higher status, which is one of the universal attraction traits women look for in a man. Of course she can have a decent job but the man should be still a bit "higher" than her.

Because of that, women with lots of power have it extremely difficult to find a partner. So, having a super job can also be a disadvantage for women. Since women have gained so much power in western countries, the rate of marriage and failed relationships has exploded.

arm
01-14-2012, 12:13 PM
congrats on being able to post to an internet forum all the way back from the 1950s. I had no idea time travel had been invented and is working so well.

What planet are you living on? Every woman I know -- married or single -- has a job.

Moreover, this a one of the riskiest life plans a woman can have. You open yourself up to mistreatment and abuse from your partner, since you can't leave because you need someone to take care of you financially. Also, the extremely wealthy tend to marry within their own class. And the moderately wealthy are vulnerable. We've seen what the economic crisis and downsizing has done to even executive-level jobs. If a woman doesn't have the skills to earn her own money and be independent, that is a very sad and scary existence these days.

The first paragraph is too funny. :rolls:

Spot on. :yeah:

It is not what he was trying to say. He was saying that women usually look for man with a higher status, which is one of the universal attraction traits women look for in a man. Of course she can have a decent job but the man should be still a bit "higher" than her.

Because of that, women with lots of power have it extremely difficult to find a partner. So, having a super job can also be a disadvantage for women. Since women have gained so much power in western countries, the rate of marriage and failed relationships has exploded.

I don't think that's true for our generation, bilbo. I really don't.

You're right about powerful women having more difficulty finding a partner, but that's not because these women are looking for a man with a higher status, it's because most men feel very intimidated by powerful women.

Bilbo
01-14-2012, 12:59 PM
I don't think that's true for our generation, bilbo. I really don't.

Social status is the only universal trait that all women look for in men, independent of culture and age. You can observe it anywhere.

The dead son of Gaddafi is a good example. Even though he was a well-known murderer, he was engaged with one of the hottest women. Normally you wouldn't understand why, but it's all about the power he had. Doesn't matter how corrupted he was.

Guess why you like Nole? ;)


You're right about powerful women having more difficulty finding a partner, but that's not because these women are looking for a man with a higher status, it's because most men feel very intimidated by powerful women.

I can totally understand when you think like that, because I was the same some time ago, until I started to read appropriate literature to understand the backgrounds. Your theory sounds logical on the first look, but in reality it is something different. It is true that many men are intimidated by powerful women, but the real reason is (and now you will be surprised by the easy answer ;)) that men usually are not attracted to women with a higher status. It is an emotional process.

Bombshell.

arm
01-14-2012, 02:13 PM
Social status is the only universal trait that all women look for in men, independent of culture and age. You can observe it anywhere.

The dead son of Gaddafi is a good example. Even though he was a well-known murderer, he was engaged with one of the hottest women. Normally you wouldn't understand why, but it's all about the power he had. Doesn't matter how corrupted he was.

Guess why you like Nole? ;)



I can totally understand when you think like that, because I was the same some time ago, until I started to read appropriate literature to understand the backgrounds. Your theory sounds logical on the first look, but in reality it is something different. It is true that many men are intimidated by powerful women, but the real reason is (and now you will be surprised by the easy answer ;)) that men usually are not attracted to women with a higher status. It is an emotional process.

Bombshell.

I'm not saying woman don't value social status, we do, but I don't think we specifically look for a man with higher social status than us. :shrug: Not anymore, not our generations, IMO.
I'm not sure Gaddafi's son is the best example here, there are a lot of other factors you need to consider in his case.

As for Nole, I liked him when he was a nobody. :shrug: I don't like him more now that he is famous and recognized, actually, and I have told Lee and star this many times, I like it better when he was not so famous. By it I don't mean him. ;)

And why are men not atracted to women with a higher status? Because they like to be the one with the higher status. In other words, they feel intimidated. :shrug:

Bombshell is your signature now? :p

shotgun
01-14-2012, 04:08 PM
In terms of career, women have it much easier at the beginning (it seems easier for them to get the first few jobs and promotions), but it becomes harder for them in comparison to men as they advance. Mostly because most women struggle to have the same emotional equilibrium at the work place as men do. You can see that the vast majority of women advancing to top management have a man-like behaviour.

In terms of relationships, men have it far easier IMO as they tend to get less attached and their biological clock runs a lot slower. At 30, most single women start to get desperate. Of course, this is a general vision as there are a bunch of exceptions on both sides.
Moreover, men suffer far less pressure from society to get married, to build a family, etc. - On the other hand, they do suffer more pressure to succeed professionaly.

tripwires
01-15-2012, 09:41 AM
Women get periods.

But a lot of people get bad back pain, which doesnt dissapear after 5 days. People live in wheelchairs. Some are disabled.

Of course, some women have these things ontop of periods too.

Then again, some contraceptive shots can kill periods for some women. Being a skinny runner and you might get minimal period :worship:


Then again, some males have sexual disfunction. That stuff is rough and doesnt just happen 5 days a month :help:

Some guys have to worry about penis size eeeek. Sure, some women might feel pressure about their bodies, breast size etc, but nothing surely can compare to how much is made (by ourselves and females) of sexual performance.

My PMS symptoms last 2 weeks. My actual period lasts 3 days. The PMS symptoms are way worse than the actual period - apart from the obvious mood swings, I get extremely bloated and look pregnant (guess how sexy that makes me feel), my digestion system fucks up, my sex drive disappears, and my boobs are sore as hell to such an extent that it hurts to wear a sports bra. This happens until menopause, during which I'd be so unsexy and dry as a desert that the concept of having a sex life would be completely gone.

Of course, I was just being facetious when I suggested that PMS and periods were the worst thing that could happen to a person. That said, guys tend to think that the period problem lasts only a few days a month. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Your point about penis size/sexual performance is quite spot-on though. Well, maybe not penis size so much as sexual performance. Maybe if guys weren't so prone to bragging...:p



You're right about powerful women having more difficulty finding a partner, but that's not because these women are looking for a man with a higher status, it's because most men feel very intimidated by powerful women.

I agree with this completely. This could just be because the men from my country are generally idiotic, but whenever a guy finds out my legal background, the response is 9 out of 10 a combination of awe, envy, and intimidation. I would actually be more impressed if the guy didn't care about my job/university degree (case in point: my boyfriend). My single lawyer friends are constantly complaining that guys lose interest the minute they find out they are lawyers - somehow they can't handle the idea of an opinionated woman who probably won't be his doormat. Most of my lawyer friends are with lawyers as well; I'm really thankful, though, that I'm not dating a lawyer. Couldn't think of anything more boring, really.

In terms of relationships, men have it far easier IMO as they tend to get less attached and their biological clock runs a lot slower. At 30, most single women start to get desperate. Of course, this is a general vision as there are a bunch of exceptions on both sides.
Moreover, men suffer far less pressure from society to get married, to build a family, etc. - On the other hand, they do suffer more pressure to succeed professionaly.

Agree generally. I would also add that men - or at least, this is true for where I come from - face the pressure of being the financial provider for the family. I know guys who gave up their road-less-taken dreams in favour of a stable job which isn't necessarily in line with their passions/interests, for the sake of a hypothetical future family with his significant other. This is probably less prevalent nowadays because women earn quite a bit too, but I definitely don't feel as if the onus is on ME to stay in my stable job just to save money to buy a house or whatever.

Shinoj
01-15-2012, 12:47 PM
congrats on being able to post to an internet forum all the way back from the 1950s. I had no idea time travel had been invented and is working so well.

What planet are you living on? Every woman I know -- married or single -- has a job.

Moreover, this a one of the riskiest life plans a woman can have. You open yourself up to mistreatment and abuse from your partner, since you can't leave because you need someone to take care of you financially. Also, the extremely wealthy tend to marry within their own class. And the moderately wealthy are vulnerable. We've seen what the economic crisis and downsizing has done to even executive-level jobs. If a woman doesn't have the skills to earn her own money and be independent, that is a very sad and scary existence these days.


She has the option. Whether or not she chooses to exercise it, its a different matter.

And also the risk of abuse is not so real. She can actually move on to some other guy. I had seen a close friend of mine doing that. And trust me a month or so would be difficult to deal with for the Girl but after that it doesn't really matter for her and guy cant do much to her.

Lopez
01-15-2012, 01:38 PM
My PMS symptoms last 2 weeks. My actual period lasts 3 days. The PMS symptoms are way worse than the actual period - apart from the obvious mood swings, I get extremely bloated and look pregnant (guess how sexy that makes me feel), my digestion system fucks up, my sex drive disappears, and my boobs are sore as hell to such an extent that it hurts to wear a sports bra. This happens until menopause, during which I'd be so unsexy and dry as a desert that the concept of having a sex life would be completely gone.

Of course, I was just being facetious when I suggested that PMS and periods were the worst thing that could happen to a person. That said, guys tend to think that the period problem lasts only a few days a month. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Don't want to go into too personal details but one can use birth control pills for many months and skip periods, only have them like a few times a year... A lot of women do it.

Kat_YYZ
01-15-2012, 02:25 PM
Don't want to go into too personal details but one can use birth control pills for many months and skip periods, only have them like a few times a year... A lot of women do it.

that's unhealthy - messes with your natural hormone levels. every quick fix comes with paying for it later. I could see doing it to delay your period over the time of your honeymoon or a nice beach vacation, but I wouldn't make a habit of it.

Lopez
01-15-2012, 02:29 PM
that's unhealthy - messes with your natural hormone levels. every quick fix comes with paying for it later. I could see doing it to delay your period over the time of your honeymoon or a nice beach vacation, but I wouldn't make a habit of it.

That's very used in Finland. Some companies even make pills that are designed for it... Not that I have any personal experience since I'm a guy.

azure
01-17-2012, 07:44 AM
I hear men still get paid higher, but I'm not positive. Men are also under less pressure to keep a good figure. Plus no period/pregnancy in life. But women have it easier in terms of relationships. Also as men are likely to agree to sex at any time, women essentially "control" that for lack of a better term. Plus there tends to be more pressure on the male during sex.

So overall I would say it's around equal. Women even get paid the same prize money in tennis. Which I still think is absurd. Recently (in the AO at least), they made women play some late night matches to make it a little more justified. But men still play 5 set matches. And while I'm not positive, I'm fairly sure men's matches generate more interest, therefore more ticket sales/television viewings.

habibko
01-17-2012, 09:52 AM
My PMS symptoms last 2 weeks. My actual period lasts 3 days. The PMS symptoms are way worse than the actual period - apart from the obvious mood swings, I get extremely bloated and look pregnant (guess how sexy that makes me feel), my digestion system fucks up, my sex drive disappears, and my boobs are sore as hell to such an extent that it hurts to wear a sports bra.

guys tend to think that the period problem lasts only a few days a month. That couldn't be further from the truth.

not all girls have their PMS this bad, you are unlucky in having the more extreme presentation of it, there are treatments for it though and it will make it a lot better

OT: here men have it a lot easier which isn't exactly a surprise

habibko
01-17-2012, 10:00 AM
that's unhealthy - messes with your natural hormone levels. every quick fix comes with paying for it later. I could see doing it to delay your period over the time of your honeymoon or a nice beach vacation, but I wouldn't make a habit of it.

I don't know of any medical research that suggests any serious side effects of using pills, long term or short, there are some slight increases of risk factors here and there but certain health benefits outweigh these

Bilbo
01-17-2012, 11:19 AM
OT: here men have it a lot easier which isn't exactly a surprise

True, but what do you think about that a lot of men in arabic countries get married with a random woman? For me this has two tremendous consequences for the development of humanity:

1. Men don't learn how to flirt with and seduce women. This leads to bad communication skills and even worse turns men into pussies because they never learn how to hunt and deal with the opposite sex.
2. They marry a woman who they very likely don't love and not even match with.

clandis
01-17-2012, 12:54 PM
I don't know of any medical research that suggests any serious side effects of using pills, long term or short, there are some slight increases of risk factors here and there but certain health benefits outweigh these

I did it for years. No problems.

habibko
01-17-2012, 02:41 PM
True, but what do you think about that a lot of men in arabic countries get married with a random woman?

Arabic countries are one thing and Saudi Arabia is another. Traditions, customs and degrees of social freedom differ a lot between one Arab country and the other, even among minorities within the same society

plus it isn't exactly "random", the process of arranged marriages here is that the female relatives of a dude arrange a private meeting between him and the potential bride, if they initially liked each other they get "engaged" or what we call Milka (legally and religiously they are married but they don't live together or have sex until they have a marriage ceremony, this is a traditional walk around the problem of hanging out without getting married), they remain in the Milka status (repeated dating sort of period) for months until they are sure they are right for each other, a guy or a girl can have many Milkas before fnally getting married, so it isn't exactly "random", but yes overall it isn't the ideal way to get married

yet even here not everyone gets married this way any longer, many guys date girls from the work place or those they got to know online etc before they get married, in these days this has become increasingly popular and socially accepted, times are changing

For me this has two tremendous consequences for the development of humanity:

1. Men don't learn how to flirt with and seduce women. This leads to bad communication skills and even worse turns men into pussies because they never learn how to hunt and deal with the opposite sex.

I don't see the relation between men being pussies and their inability to score random girls, there are far bigger challenges in life to show the manliness of a man besides being a lecherous womanizer

2. They marry a woman who they very likely don't love and not even match with.

I agree that this is more likely to happen in an arranged marriage setting, but it would really be the fault of the guy/girl themselves, they should give themselves enough time to get to know each other really well before going on with the marriage

still I agree that generally an arranged marriage is more likely to fail for that reason than other love-before-marriage based marriages, as some guys and girls are too self aware to show their best traits and hide their bad sides until they get married, and then when they resume "real life", problems arise from conflicts in interests/personality etc

Pirata.
01-18-2012, 11:50 PM
Forgot about this thread.

Dick size and erectile dysfunction are such hardships, poor men, how will they ever survive :sad:

Lopez
01-19-2012, 12:15 AM
Forgot about this thread.

Dick size and erectile dysfunction are such hardships, poor men, how will they ever survive :sad:

While I don't like the turn to relationships and courting this thread has turned, discussing equality issues in some western countries is good. A lot of the gender equality discussion (deservedly) has focused around female issues. However, nowadays one feels that some male issues are largely ignored.

In Finland, women act that any discrepancy with genders when it's to the benefit of men is a social issue, but it doesn't go the other way. E.g. in Finland it is seen as a problem of a patriarchal society that nurses and other care professions have more women than men while men tend to be engineers more often. However, the fact that women outnumber men at universities isn't an issue, or the fact that men commit way more suicides. The double standard gets quite irritating after a while and one does not really move towards true equality by only having one agenda.

As I said in my previous post, this is only a discussion in some parts of the Western world and of course on a global scale women are worse off than men.