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Raonic: One of the top favorites for first Grand Slam 2012

Navratil
01-11-2012, 09:06 AM
Raonic must have been very impressive last week: He's one of the bookmaker's Top 8 favorites for the Australian-Open! :eek:

Raonic had a fantastic start to the season 2011 and was close to the Top 20 before he struggled with injuries and hasn't been that successful in the second half of 2011. :worship:

Raonic might be a Top Ten player in 2012 - finally!? :confused:




AUSTRALIAN-OPEN FAVORITES

Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2.15
Andy Murray (GBR) 5.50
Roger Federer (SUI) 5.50
Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7.00
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) 15.00
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG) 15.00
Tomas Berdych (CZE) 34.00
Milos Raonic (CAN) 41.00
David Ferrer (ESP) 51.00
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) 67.00

m9m9m9m9m9
01-11-2012, 09:13 AM
Too much hype I afraid.
He just lost to Fish 1 and 2 in Kooyong

ossie
01-11-2012, 09:26 AM
bullshit, the serve bot couldnt win a slam if his life depended on it.

Ad Wim
01-11-2012, 09:32 AM
Lol @ Murray 2nd favourite.

Agrajag
01-11-2012, 09:43 AM
bullshit, the serve bot couldnt win a slam if his life depended on it.

Somehow i doubt any player would with that hanging over them.

Time Violation
01-11-2012, 09:50 AM
Lol @ Murray 2nd favourite.

Murray was last year's finalist, which would mean exactly 2nd favorite.

Too much hype I afraid.
He just lost to Fish 1 and 2 in Kooyong

Agree... he just won an ATP250 and is suddenly a one of the slam favorites?

DanaKz
01-11-2012, 09:52 AM
They don't say the end is nigh without a reason, huh?

MaratandMilos
01-11-2012, 10:09 AM
He just lost to Fish 1 and 2 in Kooyong
Yeah, in a exhibition match that he clearly didn't try in with the strong wind completely affecting his serve. Why anybody here would cite that as evidence of some kind of weakness, I'm not sure.

Nobody expects him to win a GS this year, but if he serves like he did last week, it's going to be very hard for even the best players in the world to knock him out. Making it to the 4th round or the quarters would be a great result for him.

Gagsquet
01-11-2012, 10:20 AM
If Raonic wins a slam, I quit MTF.

tampie
01-11-2012, 10:24 AM
I don't see Milos win a slam this year, but in the 'rank' that the bookies give I think he's correctly placed. If you look at the prices other bookies give, you'll see that his place is 10th instead of 8th. Most give him 66/1; average give him 62/1.
Average he is priced just before Monfils but a lot better than Dolgo, Tipsa and A-Rod.

This is the top 16 ranked at the bookies (average over 14 different bookies):
Novak Djokovic 2,32
Roger Federer 4,89
Andy Murray 5,66
Rafael Nadal 6,56
Juan Martin Del Potro 15,50
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 18,95
Tomas Berdych 43,79
David Ferrer 49,79
Bernard Tomic 58,71
Milos Raonic 62,79
Gael Monfils 72,50
Alexandr Dolgopolov 127,21
Janko Tipsarevic 127,86
Andy Roddick 137,50
John Isner 143,00
Mardy Fish 158,36

Sophocles
01-11-2012, 10:50 AM
Don't know why he's above Monfils & Dolgo, but fair enough he's above Roddick, Isner, & Fish. Superficially the odds on the youngsters seem short, but that's because the breakthrough triumph of a youngster against the odds is a fairly common story in tennis (Borg, Wilander, Becker, Sampras, Del Potro) - at least as common as the consolation victory of the fading veteran.

BodyServe
01-11-2012, 11:05 AM
Surely it isn't based on results solely but gamestyle as well.
With his serve and more than decent groundgame he can beat anybody but can he keep it up in best of 5 sets matches?

BodyServe
01-11-2012, 11:08 AM
Don't know why he's above Monfils & Dolgo, but fair enough he's above Roddick, Isner, & Fish. Superficially the odds on the youngsters seem short, but that's because the breakthrough triumph of a youngster against the odds is a fairly common story in tennis (Borg, Wilander, Becker, Sampras, Del Potro) - at least as common as the consolation victory of the fading veteran.

Because he has more potential to beat top players with his serve, it's that simple really.

Dr.Slice
01-11-2012, 11:17 AM
This is not 90s anymore, you cant win slams by serving alone.

nalbyfan
01-11-2012, 11:33 AM
After Nalby during several years, then Murray and now Raonic.....totally ridiculous this GS obsession

Sophocles
01-11-2012, 11:47 AM
Because he has more potential to beat top players with his serve, it's that simple really.

Fair enough, but I doubt you can beat the Top 4 in a slam with a great serve & average movement.

simplet
01-11-2012, 12:37 PM
Because he has more potential to beat top players with his serve, it's that simple really.

Does he really? The top 4 head-to-heads against big servers are pretty daunting. At least Monfils and Dolgo already have beaten some big names.

BroTree123
01-11-2012, 02:36 PM
All his guy lacks is decent footwork, so I'm afraid that's too big of a factor to consider him a favourite for any tournament above 500's, let alone a GS.

justafanYYC
01-11-2012, 02:37 PM
The bookies aren't predicting who will win the tournament, they're just trying to get action.
Tsonga and Raonic just won events so they get bumped up a bit because they are in form and in the news and the bookies have to come up with something reasonable. Someone like Fish is down because he's coming into the tournament cold.

Once the draw comes out all the odds will get changed again.

madmax
01-11-2012, 03:04 PM
This is not 90s anymore, you cant win slams by serving alone.

this

henke007
01-11-2012, 03:20 PM
Is slow blu Clay being overlooked here...

Pirata.
01-11-2012, 04:41 PM
Berdych above last year's semifinalist Ferrer :stupid:

ibreak4coffee
01-11-2012, 04:43 PM
Monfils? Seriously... If Monfils can keep his head straight and cut the showman crap for two weeks straight, well then the Mayans were probably spot on about the end of the world coming in 2012.

EliSter
01-11-2012, 04:54 PM
If Raonic wins a slam, I quit MTF.

This. And plus make account on women tennis forum :o

BodyServe
01-11-2012, 05:07 PM
Does he really? The top 4 head-to-heads against big servers are pretty daunting. At least Monfils and Dolgo already have beaten some big names.

Yeah but it's like with Karlovic few years ago, there are chance for tiebreaks where anything can happen, players with a big weapon are more feared than players solid everywhere.

What happenned between Nadal and Isner last year at the French open underline my point.

Best of 5 is tougher for underdogs though.

Hypnotize
01-11-2012, 05:25 PM
Yeah, in a exhibition match that he clearly didn't try in with the strong wind completely affecting his serve. Why anybody here would cite that as evidence of some kind of weakness, I'm not sure.

Nobody expects him to win a GS this year, but if he serves like he did last week, it's going to be very hard for even the best players in the world to knock him out. Making it to the 4th round or the quarters would be a great result for him.

Good job the AO is played indoors where the wind won't affect his serve. Oh wait ...:rolleyes:

I don't see him as a title contender but he could have a good run if he gets a favourable draw.

MuzzahLovah
01-11-2012, 05:27 PM
Yeah, in a exhibition match that he clearly didn't try in with the strong wind completely affecting his serve. Why anybody here would cite that as evidence of some kind of weakness, I'm not sure.

Nobody expects him to win a GS this year, but if he serves like he did last week, it's going to be very hard for even the best players in the world to knock him out. Making it to the 4th round or the quarters would be a great result for him.

Good thing the all the slams are indoors where wind won't be a problem.:o

MuzzahLovah
01-11-2012, 05:30 PM
Good job the AO is played indoors where the wind won't affect his serve. Oh wait ...:rolleyes:

I don't see him as a title contender but he could have a good run if he gets a favourable draw.

jinx!

Everko
01-11-2012, 05:32 PM
He is all serve. Only works against mentally weak players

MuzzahLovah
01-11-2012, 05:32 PM
Does he really? The top 4 head-to-heads against big servers are pretty daunting. At least Monfils and Dolgo already have beaten some big names.

Yeah, I don't see a big server beat 3 or the top 4 in a row, especially with them being such great returners or in Fed's case, skilled at winning shoot outs with such players.

MaratandMilos
01-12-2012, 12:21 AM
Good job the AO is played indoors where the wind won't affect his serve. Oh wait ...:rolleyes:

Yeah, if he got caught in 40 MPH winds like he did yesterday, he'd have issues. But how likely is that to happen again next week? Even Tomic, who won his meaningless exho yesterday, said that the game they played wasn't really tennis.

The point, anyway, was that nobody should take anything meaningful from that result. Winning it clearly didn't matter to him and his effort showed that. Not to mention the fact that he pulled out of the entire tournament after it.

Topspindoctor
01-12-2012, 12:26 AM
If he meets any decent returner, he's toast. Raonic is not even top 100 player without the serve and that has been exposed time and time again when he has to rally.

Saberq
01-12-2012, 12:33 AM
Yeah, if he got caught in 40 MPH winds like he did yesterday, he'd have issues. But how likely is that to happen again next week? Even Tomic, who won his meaningless exho yesterday, said that the game they played wasn't really tennis.

The point, anyway, was that nobody should take anything meaningful from that result. Winning it clearly didn't matter to him and his effort showed that. Not to mention the fact that he pulled out of the entire tournament after it.

you should wait until serve bot wins anything before you start talking him up ....as topspindoctor said Raonic is a zero without his serve....

156mphserve
01-12-2012, 03:22 AM
I don't expect Milos to win either, that beaind said I don't expect Monfils or Dolgopolov to win either. Just because he's ahead of them doesn't mean he's gonna win, just means he has a more likely longshot than the others. At the end of the day Djokovic, Federer, Murray or Nadal will win it anyway

MaratandMilos
01-12-2012, 04:27 AM
you should wait until serve bot wins anything before you start talking him up ....as topspindoctor said Raonic is a zero without his serve....
Well he did completely dominate play against a good returner in Tipsarevic last week, remember? I know you do, because you were trolling in the commentary thread at the time.

If you take away the best aspect of any player's game, they are obviously going to be much worse without it. Thanks for the pointless observation, though.