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Will Ivan Lendl give Andy Murray the moxie he needs to win his first major in 2012?

masterclass
01-10-2012, 04:15 PM
Simple poll:

1. Yes
2. No
3. Murray could have won a major without Lendl's help.
4. Murray will never win a major.

Respectfully,
masterclass

rinnegan
01-10-2012, 04:20 PM
A more reasonable question would be: "Will Ivan Lendl give Andy Murray the moxie he needs to win his first set in a major final in 2012?"

Saberq
01-10-2012, 04:20 PM
LOL .....is it April fools day already ....

LoveFifteen
01-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Murray will never win a major.

Mr. Oracle
01-10-2012, 06:49 PM
the brad gilbert effect,....start with the serve ivan

Arakasi
01-10-2012, 07:15 PM
The poll options aren't mutually exclusive.

MuzzahLovah
01-10-2012, 07:19 PM
What ever works, I'll take it. :cheerleader:

Gillouthe best
01-10-2012, 08:31 PM
I don't think so. He looked good in Brisbane, but he has looked far better in Masters 1000 previous to G.S and then he has fucked it up on the biggest stages.

masterclass
01-10-2012, 08:36 PM
The poll options aren't mutually exclusive.
Correct, but you can only choose one, so choose the one that is closest to expressing your feeling. ;)

Respectfully,
masterclass

SwingVolley93
01-10-2012, 11:39 PM
nope

Topspindoctor
01-11-2012, 12:05 AM
No, you can't teach talent.

Mountaindewslave
01-11-2012, 01:29 AM
A more reasonable question would be: "Will Ivan Lendl give Andy Murray the moxie he needs to win his first set in a major final in 2012?"

hahhahhaha this ^^^, but really I don't see him Murray doing it with or without Lendl's help. don't get me wrong, I think Ivan definitely is helping his game and I think Andy looks way more focused (at least in Brisbane) with Lendl in his box but I don't think getting a new great coach will automatically make up for Andy's weakness in his matches against the top dogs- the fact that he has no real big weapons except for maybe the serve.

a great coach can't really make up for no big weapon to use in rally's

ballbasher101
01-11-2012, 07:50 AM
Murray will not win one slam but he will win 3 or 4. Trust me.

buzz
01-11-2012, 09:53 AM
If he thinks Lendle is the solution or at least helps him, he might get more believe he will make it and then he has more chance. But I still think it will be really hard for Murray if a top player is playing his best against him in the final or semi final.

atennisfan
01-11-2012, 11:03 AM
Lendl will give him an edge for sure

Sophocles
01-11-2012, 11:40 AM
If the draw opens up & he has to play only 1 of the top 3, & that before the final, then he'll win a slam anyway. Otherwise, it's going to be tough, though not impossible, whoever his coach is.

Dr.Slice
01-11-2012, 12:16 PM
If Mugray had played in a weak era like the 90s, he could easily have been a slam winner against such weak competition.
But now he has to face 3 titans - Federer, Nadal and Djokovic - who are all all-time greats, so it is no surprise he hasnt won one so far (and probably wont ever win either)

Mae
01-11-2012, 12:20 PM
I'm not giving up on Andy yet! And sadly I think Rafa is going downhill at this time :sad: Roger is getting older :sad: So that leaves Nole as his biggest block IMHO.

asmazif
01-11-2012, 01:05 PM
There's probably going to be a few more slams "up for grabs" over the coming years :shrug: so I see him winning a couple at some point.

Sapeod
01-11-2012, 08:25 PM
No, you can't teach talent.
Murray is amazingly talented. More so than Nadal. So, what's your point?

EddieNero
01-11-2012, 08:41 PM
No, you can't teach talent.

You can't but Nadal's case shows you can win 10+ slams without it.

Saberq
01-11-2012, 08:44 PM
Murray is amazingly talented. More so than Nadal. So, what's your point?

:haha:

Sapeod
01-11-2012, 08:48 PM
:haha:
I'm not sure whether you're laughing at the comment because you think it's idiotic, or because you think it showed Topspindoctor. Either way, I'll explain my thoughts. Nadal isn't as talented as Murray. Talent doesn't equal results. Nadal is clearly an example of this. Very little talent has given him 10 slams. Murray's overflowing talent has so far given him zero, but that will change. I said what I said because I find it funny that Topsindoctor of all people is talking about talent. Very funny.

ossie
01-11-2012, 08:51 PM
he doesnt have the forehand to win a slam

HKz
01-11-2012, 08:55 PM
I think Lendl will give Murray the slight mental strength if he does reach the latter stages of a slam event. At this point, all Murray needs to work on are tactics (being aggressive when he needs to be) and his mental game as so often we have seen the past few years that when he faces a challenging opponent, you can see the mental block he has and doesn't think as clearly as previous rounds.

Saberq
01-11-2012, 08:57 PM
I'm not sure whether you're laughing at the comment because you think it's idiotic, or because you think it showed Topspindoctor. Either way, I'll explain my thoughts. Nadal isn't as talented as Murray. Talent doesn't equal results. Nadal is clearly an example of this. Very little talent has given him 10 slams. Murray's overflowing talent has so far given him zero, but that will change. I said what I said because I find it funny that Topsindoctor of all people is talking about talent. Very funny.

I laughed because I dont think Murray is more talented than Nadal....In fact I dont think he is less talented but his game is nowhere near Nadal's at this point....Murray with all his talent doesnt have a complete game and he is 25 ...think about that my friend

Saberq
01-11-2012, 08:58 PM
I think Lendl will give Murray the slight mental strength if he does reach the latter stages of a slam event. At this point, all Murray needs to work on are tactics (being aggressive when he needs to be) and his mental game as so often we have seen the past few years that when he faces a challenging opponent, you can see the mental block he has and doesn't think as clearly as previous rounds.

You cant teach mental strength...you are born with it bro.......You can improve a little bit but Andy Murray will never be strong mentally ....

Sapeod
01-11-2012, 09:02 PM
I laughed because I dont think Murray is more talented than Nadal....In fact I dont think he is less talented but his game is nowhere near Nadal's at this point....Murray with all his talent doesnt have a complete game and he is 25 ...think about that my friend
Wrong. Murray's talent >>> Nadal's. However, Nadal's game suits the court surfaces far better nowadays because they're mostly slow. Also, Nadal dominated clay because his game was suited to it incredibly well. In terms of talent, Murray wins hands down. His game is far better too, though it does have holes. It's far more enjoyable to watch too.

Saberq
01-11-2012, 09:11 PM
Wrong. Murray's talent >>> Nadal's. However, Nadal's game suits the court surfaces far better nowadays because they're mostly slow. Also, Nadal dominated clay because his game was suited to it incredibly well. In terms of talent, Murray wins hands down. His game is far better too, though it does have holes. It's far more enjoyable to watch too.

ok Dani but that's one thing ....you like to watch Murray's game more than Rafa's ...I do too when Andy attack but he is passive most of the time ....but Andy's game is not COMPLETE....he lacks weapons to win against stronger opponents on regular basis.....his FH is a liability and FH DTL does not exist......pure and simple ....without that Nadal will always beat him when it matters

ronpon
01-11-2012, 09:23 PM
OK we've been here before talking up Murray's chances only to be fooled by his mental collapse against the big boys when push comes to shove in the finals of a slam. However, I do detect a change and the catylist may well be Lendl. He is nowadays much more aggressive, serves better and more consistently on his first serve (although the second is still woeful on occasion) and his FH has improved. So I for one am more encouraged that he can go that extra mile but being a Murray supporter I only know too well that the Oz open could be yet another false dawn in terms of him winning a slam. Talent wise, he is better than Nadal but not mentally nor does he possess Nadal's incredible will to win

syc23
01-11-2012, 10:05 PM
With Nadal declining physically and Murray improving mentally under Lendl, things might even out a bit in 2012. Let's see how this year rolls.

HKz
01-11-2012, 10:08 PM
You cant teach mental strength...you are born with it bro.......You can improve a little bit but Andy Murray will never be strong mentally ....

Look at Lendl's career please. Are you going to tell me he was the same mentally in the early 80s vs the latter years of the 80s? You are fucking clueless as always bro.

Similarly, Sampras was given the same knock before he came to dominate men's tennis. Hell, even your god Djokovic was in the same boat. You can't tell me Djokovic isn't mentally stronger now than he was years ago. Stop posting bullshit.

Saberq
01-11-2012, 10:10 PM
Look at Lendl's career please. Are you going to tell me he was the same mentally in the early 80s vs the latter years of the 80s? You are fucking clueless as always bro.

Similarly, Sampras was given the same knock before he came to dominate men's tennis. Hell, even your god Djokovic was in the same boat. You can't tell me Djokovic isn't mentally stronger now than he was years ago. Stop posting bullshit.

yes but Djokovic was never a choker like Murray is ......and stop with the insults ok .....

HKz
01-11-2012, 10:12 PM
yes but Djokovic was never a choker like Murray is ......and stop with the insults ok .....

US Open 2007
Roland Garros 2010

I can name several more matches if you would like. Clueless.

inb4moreexcusesfromthiscluelessbro

syc23
01-11-2012, 10:18 PM
yes but Djokovic was never a choker like Murray is ......and stop with the insults ok .....

I'm sure you won't hesitate responding to this but you're talking about Djokovic, a guy who in 2010 nearly achieved a retirement slam...got bounced out by Melzer in RG '10, woeful against Berdych in Wimbledon SF and faked sight issues against Rafa at the WTF '10.

That was a pretty shit year yet he turned it around with incredible hard work.

You go on about Murray as if his career is a closed book. There's still time to turn things around and Djokovic is a perfect example of that.

Saberq
01-11-2012, 10:18 PM
US Open 2007
Roland Garros 2010

I can name several more matches if you would like. Clueless.

inb4moreexcusesfromthiscluelessbro

I give you US Open 2007 but that's it

Saberq
01-11-2012, 10:19 PM
I'm sure you won't hesitate responding to this but you're talking about Djokovic, a guy who in 2010 nearly achieved a retirement slam...got bounced out by Melzer in RG '10, woeful against Berdych in Wimbledon SF and faked sight issues against Rafa at the WTF '10.

That was a pretty shit year yet he turned it around with incredible hard work.

You go on about Murray as if his career is a closed book. There's still time to turn things around and Djokovic is a perfect example of that.

yet Djokovic is twice the player Murray is,was or ever will be ......Murray has NO FH!!!!!.....

HKz
01-11-2012, 10:25 PM
I give you US Open 2007 but that's it

Ya losing from two sets to love against Melzer isn't choking.

So aren't his losses to Kohlschreiber and Roddick.

yet Djokovic is twice the player Murray is,was or ever will be ......Murray has NO FH!!!!!.....

And you have no common sense, or any sense for that matter.

Murray's forehand > Saberq's logic

syc23
01-11-2012, 10:31 PM
yet Djokovic is twice the player Murray is,was or ever will be ......Murray has NO FH!!!!!.....

:rolleyes: The fail is strong with you. :angel:

What's making you so angry son? You hating Murray because he has forged a successful tennis career and you are sitting at your desk venting anger that someone who is at world no.4 is devoid of a FH? I'm sure Murray with £$£millions in the bank won't be bothered too much or lose sleep with your worthless opinion :wavey:

Macbrother
01-11-2012, 10:35 PM
It's really tough to judge what actual effect a coach can have on a tennis player. Seeing as I am a big fan of Lendl and I wouldn't mind the Scottish prat actually doing something this year, I hope so.

Saberq
01-11-2012, 10:44 PM
Ya losing from two sets to love against Melzer isn't choking.

So aren't his losses to Kohlschreiber and Roddick.



And you have no common sense, or any sense for that matter.

Murray's forehand > Saberq's logic

first of all this is the last time I am answering your posts and dont quote me ever again ......losing in 3 sets to Kohlschreiber is not choking,I dont know which Roddick match you are referring to and last Melzer match was lost due to stamina issues.....and why the FUCK are you insulting me in your every post kid?Easy when it's on a forum right?Nice internet muscles you have there......coward

Saberq
01-11-2012, 10:46 PM
:rolleyes: The fail is strong with you. :angel:

What's making you so angry son? You hating Murray because he has forged a successful tennis career and you are sitting at your desk venting anger that someone who is at world no.4 is devoid of a FH? I'm sure Murray with £$£millions in the bank won't be bothered too much or lose sleep with your worthless opinion :wavey:

you're British therefore your opinion about Murray is subjective and biased......I like the kid hate him as a tennis player pure and simple ...weak people with zero mental strength should not win SLAMS........and I am very rich my friend ...not like Andy but I will never work in my life ....so I am pretty happy

HKz
01-11-2012, 11:06 PM
first of all this is the last time I am answering your posts and dont quote me ever again ......losing in 3 sets to Kohlschreiber is not choking,I dont know which Roddick match you are referring to and last Melzer match was lost due to stamina issues.....and why the FUCK are you insulting me in your every post kid?Easy when it's on a forum right?Nice internet muscles you have there......coward

What did I say? This guy is so delusional and clueless, makes some of the Rafatards on MTF seem intelligent! Holy crap, he is like the next #1 ACC seed.

you're British therefore your opinion about Murray is subjective and biased......I like the kid hate him as a tennis player pure and simple ...weak people with zero mental strength should not win SLAMS........and I am very rich my friend ...not like Andy but I will never work in my life ....so I am pretty happy

Being 14 and living with your parents doesn't constitute you being rich and not having to work.

Saberq
01-11-2012, 11:17 PM
What did I say? This guy is so delusional and clueless, makes some of the Rafatards on MTF seem intelligent! Holy crap, he is like the next #1 ACC seed.



Being 14 and living with your parents doesn't constitute you being rich and not having to work.

shit I had to respond just to make things clear..............your tone is going on my nerves ....you cant talk without insulting on all levels so I wont bother talking to you and I am 24 my friend and my parents are in New York since 2006......not here where I am

Corey Feldman
01-11-2012, 11:19 PM
Lendl will be responsible for Muzza winning a GS

Muzza has no say in it, at all

HKz
01-11-2012, 11:24 PM
shit I had to respond just to make things clear..............your tone is going on my nerves ....you cant talk without insulting on all levels so I wont bother talking to you and I am 24 my friend and my parents are in New York since 2006......not here where I am

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/061/294/1106514-cool_story_bro_super.jpg

Saberq
01-11-2012, 11:31 PM
what story? I dont get it ?

Mountaindewslave
01-11-2012, 11:50 PM
I'm not sure whether you're laughing at the comment because you think it's idiotic, or because you think it showed Topspindoctor. Either way, I'll explain my thoughts. Nadal isn't as talented as Murray. Talent doesn't equal results. Nadal is clearly an example of this. Very little talent has given him 10 slams. Murray's overflowing talent has so far given him zero, but that will change. I said what I said because I find it funny that Topsindoctor of all people is talking about talent. Very funny.

Murray dreams of having the talent Nadal has, let alone the athletic ABILITY.

i'm sure he's fantasizing right now about having a good forehand and being able to last in a match that goes beyond 3 sets...... :o

Topspindoctor
01-12-2012, 12:38 AM
Murray is amazingly talented. More so than Nadal. So, what's your point?

So how come Nadal has 10 slams and Mugray has 0? You'd think more talented player would have at least a slam to back up his talent.

Drugs Ruin Lives
01-12-2012, 12:52 AM
Pat Butcher has more chance of winning a Grand Slam than Andy Murray.

fast_clay
01-12-2012, 01:08 AM
shit I had to respond just to make things clear..............your tone is going on my nerves ....you cant talk without insulting on all levels so I wont bother talking to you and I am 24 my friend and my parents are in New York since 2006......not here where I am

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/patma2003/catgif12.gif

stewietennis
01-12-2012, 04:25 AM
When you look back at one slam wonders, Murray should have at least as much mental strength as those guys, so he should win his first major sometime… with a lot of luck.

atennisfan
01-12-2012, 01:14 PM
based on his talent and skill and physique, Murray should win at least a couple of slams.

Dr.Slice
01-12-2012, 02:10 PM
Murray is amazingly talented. More so than Nadal. So, what's your point?Amazingly? He is very talented, but there are far more talented players than him out there.
Nadal is physically and mentally very talented, in those areas he is by far superior to Murray.

I'm not sure whether you're laughing at the comment because you think it's idiotic, or because you think it showed Topspindoctor. Either way, I'll explain my thoughts. Nadal isn't as talented as Murray. Talent doesn't equal results. Nadal is clearly an example of this. Very little talent has given him 10 slams. Murray's overflowing talent has so far given him zero, but that will change. I said what I said because I find it funny that Topsindoctor of all people is talking about talent. Very funny.
Overflowing talent? LOL

I laughed because I dont think Murray is more talented than Nadal....In fact I dont think he is less talented but his game is nowhere near Nadal's at this point....Murray with all his talent doesnt have a complete game and he is 25 ...think about that my friend
Murray only has 2-3 years left when he can win a slam, his game is so dependent on being physically super fit. But I still believe he will never win a slam.

You cant teach mental strength...you are born with it bro.......You can improve a little bit but Andy Murray will never be strong mentally ....
Look at you hero Djokovic and how much stronger he is mentally now than he was 2-3 years ago.

Wrong. Murray's talent >>> Nadal's. However, Nadal's game suits the court surfaces far better nowadays because they're mostly slow. Also, Nadal dominated clay because his game was suited to it incredibly well. In terms of talent, Murray wins hands down. His game is far better too, though it does have holes. It's far more enjoyable to watch too.
Murray's game enjoyable to watch? LOL. He is almost as boring to watch as Gilles Simon.

Egreen
01-12-2012, 02:18 PM
Murray only has 2-3 years left when he can win a slam, his game is so dependent on being physically super fit.


+1.

Sophocles
01-12-2012, 02:38 PM
Lendl will be responsible for Muzza winning a GS

Muzza has no say in it, at all

Let's fucking hope not....

Shinoj
01-17-2012, 10:06 AM
Well,Andy has the required talent to win a Grand Slam. As it is obvious because he has a number of wins over Nadal,Federer and Djokovic. So its just a matter of execution in the latter stages.And Lendl has been there and done that. And he can provide that crucial Experience to Andy. I really think he can do it in 2012.
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