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Raonic succeeds Federer

r3d_d3v1l_
01-09-2012, 01:09 PM
In winning a tournament without getting broken a single time. Last time this happened was 3 and half years ago, more precisely in 2008, with Federerīs win in Halle.

What a server bot. :worship:

emotion
01-09-2012, 01:12 PM
He might end up best server in the game. Impressive, as he isn't 6'6+

rinnegan
01-09-2012, 01:19 PM
Yeah. They had to serve excellently while beating such illustrious players en route to winning those tournaments.

Looner
01-09-2012, 01:21 PM
It's such a shame he got injured just before his match with Nadull at last year's Wimbledon. I was looking forward to seeing how Nadal copes with a young Ivanisevic-like server.

r3d_d3v1l_
01-09-2012, 01:30 PM
It's such a shame he got injured just before his match with Nadull at last year's Wimbledon. I was looking forward to seeing how Nadal copes with a young Ivanisevic-like server.

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But i donīt think grass is his best surface. He doesnīt handle that well the low rebounds. I want to see him at full force at the US Open. Thatīs where his best chances of winning a slam are, i think.

Ash86
01-09-2012, 01:32 PM
It's such a shame he got injured just before his match with Nadull at last year's Wimbledon. I was looking forward to seeing how Nadal copes with a young Ivanisevic-like server.

Nadal's dealt with him twice at Tokyo - in 2010 & 2011 - straight set wins both time. Nadal also dealt with Muller last year who was serving out of his mind for the first 2 sets & he still managed to have the composure to come through it. So this idea Nadal would have been unable to cope with Raonic at Wimbledon last year is more than a little silly...

emotion
01-09-2012, 01:35 PM
Muller choked pretty hard that match

GSMnadal
01-09-2012, 01:40 PM
Nadal's dealt with him twice at Tokyo - in 2010 & 2011 - straight set wins both time. Nadal also dealt with Muller last year who was serving out of his mind for the first 2 sets & he still managed to have the composure to come through it. So this idea Nadal would have been unable to cope with Raonic at Wimbledon last year is more than a little silly...

It still would've been very interesting to see, Lose two tiebreaks and you're in deep trouble. Still think Nadal would've won, but he was very shaky at times during Wimbledon...

ossie
01-09-2012, 01:41 PM
Muller choked pretty hard that match
lol

Action Jackson
01-09-2012, 01:44 PM
Muller vs. Nadal has zero relevance to Raonic, especially this particular stat.

r3d_d3v1l_
01-09-2012, 01:52 PM
Nadal's dealt with him twice at Tokyo - in 2010 & 2011 - straight set wins both time. Nadal also dealt with Muller last year who was serving out of his mind for the first 2 sets & he still managed to have the composure to come through it. So this idea Nadal would have been unable to cope with Raonic at Wimbledon last year is more than a little silly...

Letīs get the facts straight. Nadal faced in 2010 a Raonic that had yed to implode in the circuit. And in 2011 he faced a Raonic, that only had played 2 matches (Davis cup round and first round of Tokyo) after that nasty hip injury. And yet, he was still competitive.

So i really donīt understand how come those two defeats really explain what Nadal would have done to Raonic, since those come from really differente conditions, as of we knew of last yearīs. And seriously, were you really expecting that much from a guy that two weeks ago had stepped for the first time on a grass court? I wasnīt.

And putting Muller and Raonic on the same picture is, letīs be honest, absurd. Raonic is clutch, Muller is a choker. He showed very well that feature in that WImbledon match.

Egreen
01-09-2012, 01:55 PM
Last time this happened was 3 and half years ago, more precisely in 2008, with Federerīs win in Halle.



The days when Federer was still a grass-court force.:awww:

Mystique
01-09-2012, 01:55 PM
Yeah. They had to serve excellently while beating such illustrious players en route to winning those tournaments.

:rolleyes: Djokovic wouldnt have won either tournament without dropping serve once:rolleyes:

Its a great achievement to do this at any level, of course it is likely possible only at the 250 level but to actually not be broken by five opponents even once, it is something.

Mystique
01-09-2012, 01:58 PM
The days when Federer was still a force on grass.:awww:

Federer is still the man to beat on true grass really. The grass in Halle is fast and low bouncing, as it should be and Federer has a phenomenal record there for a reason. And if you watching the DC tie between Aus and Sui last september, you will know Federer is still pretty darn good on real grass. He made the transition from HC to grass in like 2 days and won both rubbers playing on very fast grass

Egreen
01-09-2012, 02:00 PM
Federer is still the man to beat on true grass really. The grass in Halle is fast and low bouncing, as it should be and Federer has a phenomenal record there for a reason. And if you watching the DC tie between Aus and Sui last september, you will know Federer is still pretty darn good on real grass. He made the transition from HC to grass in like 2 days and won both rubbers playing on very fast grass

Losses in the QF of Wimbledon to Berdych and Tsonga make you wonder...

Mystique
01-09-2012, 02:01 PM
Losses in the QF of Wimbledon to Berdych and Tsonga make you wonder...

Which is why I said "true grass"

rinnegan
01-09-2012, 02:02 PM
:rolleyes: Djokovic wouldnt have won either tournament without dropping serve once:rolleyes:

Its a great achievement to do this at any level, of course it is likely possible only at the 250 level but to actually not be broken by five opponents even once, it is something.

Djokovic has nothing to do with this.


Hanescu-Sela-Almagro-Tipsarevic
Berrer-Vacek-Baghdatis-Kiefer-Kohlschreiber

Such GOAT returners.

romismak
01-09-2012, 02:07 PM
His 2 losses to Nadal are nothing that can tell us. In 2010 he was not the same player and last year he was after injury... no practice, stamina and even his serve wasnīt good enough without real match practice. And last year Wimbledon, it is big IF, but Raonic chances would be much much higher than Mullerīs in that match. Raonic serve is much better, Muller didnīt have such hard-fast serve his serve is mostly effective, because he is lefty and since Rafa is lefty too using slice to his FH isnīt the same like Raonicīs 210-220bombs to Rafaīs BH or his super fast slice serve to Rafaīs BH- even Federer realized this is chance to get Rafa in trouble. So if Muller managed to go to 2 TBīs and both were very close, Raonic with better serve and in this case rightie advantage could have won that 2TBīs but this is big IF.

GSMnadal
01-09-2012, 02:09 PM
:rolleyes: Djokovic wouldnt have won either tournament without dropping serve once:rolleyes:

Its a great achievement to do this at any level, of course it is likely possible only at the 250 level but to actually not be broken by five opponents even once, it is something.

Djokovic would've lost serve probably in every match, he's a return based player. He would probably lose more games on serve than on return.

Egreen
01-09-2012, 02:09 PM
Can Raonic even win Wimbledon on the green clay?

r3d_d3v1l_
01-09-2012, 02:16 PM
:rolleyes: Djokovic wouldnt have won either tournament without dropping serve once:rolleyes:

Its a great achievement to do this at any level, of course it is likely possible only at the 250 level but to actually not be broken by five opponents even once, it is something.

I mean, i just posted this, because the last time this happened was in freakinī 2008! You have the big four dominating the tour, and still, a youngster accomplishes what Federer did almost 4 years ago! But yeah, he is a server bot that played against poor return players.

Itīs hard to ask this on MTF, but give the kid some credit.

Saberq
01-09-2012, 02:25 PM
Djokovic would've lost serve probably in every match, he's a return based player. He would probably lose more games on serve than on return.

Djokovic is a guy that holds serve against mugs like Raonic pretty easy.......And Raonic himself faced mugs all tournament...that being said he did a great thing not getting broken at least once

nole_no1
01-09-2012, 03:27 PM
He did that because he's just a serve bot
Federer did it because he's got talent

Jimnik
01-09-2012, 04:59 PM
Congrats to Raonic. I'm very surprised neither Roddick nor Isner accomplished this.

I'm sure Karlovic went a lot of tournaments without getting broken. Whether he won them or not is another matter.

RoddickFan88
01-09-2012, 05:56 PM
Congrats to Raonic. I'm very surprised neither Roddick nor Isner accomplished this.


Roddick accomplished this. He won Dubai 2008 without dropping serve. He def. there Mathieu, Ferrero, Nadal(!), Djokovic (!), Lopez. This is definitely higher achieve. Andy outplayed 2 greats with 230-240km/h serves.

Ash86
01-09-2012, 06:14 PM
Roddick accomplished this. He won Dubai 2008 without dropping serve. He def. there Mathieu, Ferrero, Nadal(!), Djokovic (!), Lopez. This is definitely higher achieve. Andy outplayed 2 greats with 230-240km/h serves.

That's actually really really impressive given the form that both Nadal & Djokovic were in in 2008. Raonic's feat is still impressive but Almagro & Tipsarevic aren't really in the same league as that field - 3 slam winners & not losing your serve once.

BodyServe
01-09-2012, 07:50 PM
Hanescu-Sela-Almagro-Tipsarevic
Berrer-Vacek-Baghdatis-Kiefer-Kohlschreiber

Such GOAT returners.

You don't know much tennis aside Djokovic i guess, Tipsarevic, Berrer and Kohlschreiber are decent returners, Baghdatis and Kiefer are good ones.

Gillouthe best
01-09-2012, 07:57 PM
I am surprised that Dr. Ivo didn't won a single ATP tournament without dropping serve :eek:. Neither Isner won a tourney without losing serve

faboozadoo15
01-09-2012, 08:04 PM
Ivo and Isner haven't won many tournaments to begin with, so to find one where they didn't drop serve is a challenge.

samanosuke
01-09-2012, 08:14 PM
Legenda won Wienna two years in a row without loosing a serve or a set

Poirot123
01-09-2012, 09:30 PM
Muller choked pretty hard that match

To be fair, Muller played about as well as he is able too. He served like an absolute beast. But when it came to the crunch in the tie breaks, Muller just couldn't keep the consistency level up and Nadal could. Which is why Nadal will always beat all serve mugs as just having a serve is never enough to beat an all time great.

Raonic will only beat Nadal in Nadal's twilight.

paseo
01-10-2012, 01:09 AM
Roddick accomplished this. He won Dubai 2008 without dropping serve. He def. there Mathieu, Ferrero, Nadal(!), Djokovic (!), Lopez. This is definitely higher achieve. Andy outplayed 2 greats with 230-240km/h serves.

Too good, this Roddick.

HKz
01-10-2012, 01:19 AM
Losses in the QF of Wimbledon to Berdych and Tsonga make you wonder...

Makes you wonder why the grass there isn't as fast as the grass played in the DC tie between Australia and Switzerland.

rinnegan
01-10-2012, 02:09 AM
Roddick accomplished this. He won Dubai 2008 without dropping serve. He def. there Mathieu, Ferrero, Nadal(!), Djokovic (!), Lopez. This is definitely higher achieve. Andy outplayed 2 greats with 230-240km/h serves.

Now THAT is a real achievement.

fast_clay
01-10-2012, 04:31 AM
Legenda won Wienna two years in a row without loosing a serve or a set

a lot of people in here seem to conveniently forget about greatness a lot of the time...