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Ferrero: Lost His Sting

Leo
01-09-2012, 12:14 AM
I know this is not exactly a new discussion, but what really happened to Ferrero's game to crumble so dramatically from 2004?

I recently found this short clip on youtube of an early round from RG 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbY5fCm3xD4, and watched the first set of his AO '04 SF loss vs. Federer, and it was really amazing to look back. JCF was known as the Mosquito not just because he buzzed around the court but also because of the bite on his shots. His groundstrokes were both powerful and snappy, and his kick serve was probably the best in the game behind Roddick's between 2001-2003. You can see the dramatic height on his kick serves in that link I posted. The point beginning at 1:54 showcases the flair with which he played the sport.

We all know the story - chicken pox, rib injury, confidence, etc. Perhaps the rib injury had a more long-lasting physical consequence than JCF has addressed, i.e. he couldn't accomplish the same body torque to produce that snappy topspin. Or does it come down more to mental, that he lost his belief to go for his shots with the same ferocity?

Sad; he truly was the successor to Kuerten on clay and could have won 1-2 Slams on hard.

viruzzz
01-09-2012, 12:20 AM
Of course he isn't the Ferrero of 2003. But he's still a big rival for any player.
Look at his match vs Monfils in last year's USO.
And in clay, he's still a top 10.

Jimnik
01-09-2012, 01:14 AM
Old discussion. Indeed his sting disappeared 2004.

There were many factors, the rib injury was one but also the loss of confidence, mental strength and determination. He still wanted to win but IMO not as badly as Federer, Nadal, Djokovic etc. He also changed his racket and tried to adjust his technique.

In fairness, his grass results continued to improve. But his clay game fell off a cliff.

rocketassist
01-09-2012, 01:18 AM
The illness he got really fucked him up.

Leo
01-09-2012, 01:27 AM
Old discussion. Indeed his sting disappeared 2004.

There were many factors, the rib injury was one but also the loss of confidence, mental strength and determination. He still wanted to win but IMO not as badly as Federer, Nadal, Djokovic etc. He also changed his racket and tried to adjust his technique.

In fairness, his grass results continued to improve. But his clay game fell off a cliff.

That's the difference though. Since 2005 he's developed into a fast court player because he is offensive but slight, and a fast course gives his shots more pop. He relies more on flat serving, fh, bh, and can't generate the topspin he used to with the flick of a wrist.

EnriqueIG8
01-09-2012, 02:21 AM
As long as he still enjoys playing, and he is still racking up some 250 clay titles it's all good.

JCF is already a succesfull businessman and I think he will be tournament director of the ATP Valencia 500 when he retires.

tommyg6
01-09-2012, 02:25 AM
Apparently he has a wine brand if i'm not mistaken, I bought some of it. its simply called. Ferrero - Spanish White Wine.

Naudio Spanlatine
01-09-2012, 02:31 AM
Ferrero:sobbing: :bigcry: :sobbing: :bigcry: :sobbing:

carlos pera
01-09-2012, 07:24 AM
Probably the technique change was important , but in my opinion , his tennis level went down because of low confidence on his play . I remember that between 2004-2008 , there where some tournaments where he could easily got to the final but then he lost in the first rounds against players which weren´t playing that good . I think that he wasn´t so regular on playing good and that made his confidence throughout the seasons to go down .

However , in these last years ,he has offered us some amazing matches and some moments which remind us the JCF from the past . I´m very happy for supporting him because even though he might not be as good as years ago , he always makes you enjoy his play and his shots . :)

HKz
01-09-2012, 08:15 AM
If you look at many clay courters throughout history though, Ferrero has followed a very similar path. Many just end up blowing out once they peak. It is only natural as their games are normally so physical. Ferrero is a bit of an exception because he plays close to a fast court baseliner rather than a traditional clay courter, but I think mentally and physically after 2003 he was just worn out a bit because after all he ended up losing a couple of emotional matches such as Roddick in the US Open final, Federer in the AO semifinal, getting a few injuries and chicken pox then failing to defend Roland Garros at all losing to Andreev in the first week.

So I think much of his game has declined at the slams due to the mental part of his game. Regardless, he has transitioned well into a grass courter reaching the QFs of Wimbledon twice, and he has had adequate success at MS events. Plus we all know those many smaller clay events he has racked up over the past couple of years.

So to answer OP's question, I think it is almost entirely been mental issues because he has had several events even at the slams where he has looked just as strong physically as he did at his peak, or at least close to it, yet failed to capitalize on his chances. For example, at last year's US Open, I really thought he should of made the QFs, especially considering his 4th round opponent was Tipsarevic, a player who had only reached two GS 4th rounds before and had never won a title in his career. However, Ferrero had some really tight moments in that match.

asmazif
01-09-2012, 11:21 AM
I have no idea how, but when I glanced at the thread, I read it as "Ferrero: Lost His Dog" :haha:

Always found it interesting that his grass results improved, and he's certainly played many terrific matches post-04, but it is obvious a certain something was lost after injury. Still great to watch even nowadays though, his incredible 2010 clay court 3-week stretch and his USO performance v Monfils (and a lot of the Tipsy match) just exemplify how incredible his game is and how much heart he has :hearts:

Deivid23
01-09-2012, 01:24 PM
Tried to make adjustements to hit his forehand differently and his once great shot turned into a shit one. He never lost the hunger or didn´t want to win as badly as others as some fanboys above say. I´m glad he´s been eating tons of humble pie all these years after he thought he was going to be a top 5 player for the rest of his days

Pirata.
01-09-2012, 11:20 PM
Apparently he has a wine brand if i'm not mistaken, I bought some of it. its simply called. Ferrero - Spanish White Wine.

Was it any good?

Jimnik
01-09-2012, 11:32 PM
His chocolate brand was excellent.


http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/ferrero_rocher.jpg&sa=X&ei=93gLT-v8OcmniALRt4n3Aw&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNESBw7IgXSEvviZGFNdXnYc-f2QCA

HKz
01-10-2012, 02:23 AM
His chocolate brand was excellent.


http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/ferrero_rocher.jpg&sa=X&ei=93gLT-v8OcmniALRt4n3Aw&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNESBw7IgXSEvviZGFNdXnYc-f2QCA

Wrong product bro

http://www.sofreshandsogreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/nutella.jpg

Edda
01-10-2012, 03:58 AM
I was late to the Juan Carlos Ferrero fan club, but better late than never. The thing I like most about Juanqui is that he has concentrated on a life outside of tennis and has an impressive overall resume of accomplishment. Thirty-one years may be old for a tennis player, but not for a man with all of his other successes.

I was so happy for Juanqui when he won that match against Monfils at the U.S. Open. It was a very exciting match.

spencercarlos
01-10-2012, 05:41 AM
I don´t see how a clip of 2001 Roland Garros against clay court monster Marcos Ondruska would be an indication of anything.

Ferrero was kind a like a Davydenko at his best, of course Juan Carlos was better, but similar games. Both grinders from the baseline, looking to take the ball early, but really beatable by the best players like Federer, Nadal, Hewitt, Kuerten when it mattered the most..

He is winless against Roddick in 5 matches :tape: . Roddick is also 5-1 up against Davydenko.. coincidence :lol: