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Monfils gamestyle: high % strokes + some low % winners vs. consistent aggression

asmazif
01-05-2012, 06:34 PM
Monf is playing with much more consistent aggression than usual rather than passive strokes with some fleeting massive shots, any thoughts? Good direction for him?

Certinfy
01-05-2012, 06:40 PM
Great direction for him. Just look at his biggest results and best performances and nearly all of them have been when playing like this.

theKSHE
01-05-2012, 06:41 PM
Point is: he's finally trying to play tennis. Good for the game, he can be a consistent top10 player.

simplet
01-05-2012, 06:47 PM
Yeah he's actually trying to construct his point now instead of just pushing the ball for 30 shots and then randomly going for the freak winner.

That said it seems to me that his biggest weakness (apart from his brain) is that he doesn't really know how to start a rally in a favorable position. Often you'll see him hit a massive serve or return and get a mediocre reply, only to start a neutral rally and try to get the upper hand from there. If he gets an easy put-away he'll take care of it but he doesn't really have that one-two punch à la Tsonga or Berdych. Maybe that's why he's serve-and-volleying more and more these days.

theKSHE
01-05-2012, 06:50 PM
Yes, that is a good point. His main weekness right now is not being able to rip that forehand when he has a short ball. He just seems to spin it to the center and allows good players to counterpunch by wrongfooting him.

asmazif
01-05-2012, 06:55 PM
Agree. And he's sure as hell better to watch when he's playing the way he did today :yeah:

yuri27
01-05-2012, 07:24 PM
Monf is playing with much more consistent aggression than usual rather than passive strokes with some fleeting massive shots, any thoughts? Good direction for him?

He still sorely lacks talent so it doesn't change anything.
He'll never win a Slam, let alone consistently challenge the top 4.

simplet
01-05-2012, 07:29 PM
He still sorely lacks talent so it doesn't change anything.
He'll never win a Slam, let alone consistently challenge the top 4.

Penetrating analysis mate, thanks for your contribution.

yuri27
01-05-2012, 07:32 PM
Penetrating analysis mate, thanks for your contribution.

if only his game could be as penetrating as my analysis.:sad:

mooncreek
01-05-2012, 07:35 PM
If I thought he'd play this way on a regular basis, it would be good news. But he's done this before and then regressed back to the pusher.

v-money
01-05-2012, 07:37 PM
Very talented player. Would be good for the game to see him incorporate some strategic point constructions.

It's the one major hole in his game but it's not something that will come overnight. For a professional player the game is so fast that he won't have an opportunity to think about every shot. His instincts just have to get better.

Monfils
01-05-2012, 10:33 PM
yuri27 : As a lot of french people, you hate Monfils and can't be objective about him. Always the same things ...

About his gamestyle it's not new. He played like this since Rasheed start with some very good matches in 2009 (Doha, French Open, US Open, Metz, Bercy ...). He was improving and if 2010 wasn't his best year with personal problems (he wasn't really focus on tennis in the first half of the season), he did a great end with matches very solid as in US Open, Montpellier, Davis Cup and Bercy again. Last year he decided to really go to the net but injuries, as usual (2009 : knees and wrist, 2010: wrist, 2011: wrist and knees), curbed him. He started to really play in summer with full matches in Washington or Cincinnati (great match against Kohli and Djoko) and Stockholm.

Now he's still improving this game and has to be more consistent on backhand attacks and volleys. If he's more regular he can do very good things, on any ground. He can beat the top 4 but has to believe in him.

timafi
01-05-2012, 10:57 PM
^^^^^^ by the way I don't understand the reasoning behind Monfils hiring Chamagne who is a physical trainer and not a technical player :shrug:

At this point Monfils needs a COACH not a trainer;he is fit but he needs to be willing to hire someone who will work on tactics with him before matches

his choice of Chamagne quite honestly baffles me just like hiring Rasheed did.You'd think he'd want to go technical:rolleyes::banghead::banghead:

HKz
01-05-2012, 10:59 PM
^^^^^^ by the way I don't understand the reasoning behind Monfils hiring Chamagne who is a physical trainer and not a technical player :shrug:

At this point Monfils needs a COACH not a trainer;he is fit but he needs to be willing to hire someone who will work on tactics with him

his choice of Chamagne quite honestly baffles me just like hiring Rasheed did.You'd think he'd want to go technical:rolleyes::banghead::banghead:

Technical is still the wrong choice here though. He has the technique and the talent, it is the tactics and mental part of the game he needs most work with. So while hiring a coach like Chamagne may be strange, I really don't see how a technical coach would really help Monfils any more or less.

Monfils
01-05-2012, 11:35 PM
I think it's a kind of Tsonga's choice, he decided to work without a real coach but with Chamagne, whom he knows for a long time, he has to work himself on technique and tactic. I think, contrary a lot of people, that he's a very smart player but it's his concentration who can go up & down. Here he's forced to stay focus and can't complain about anything, thing he did sometimes with a coach. Here he's in a way, alone and has to be more mature.

I understand it and only results will tell us ...

Tennis-Life
01-06-2012, 04:07 PM
Monf is playing with much more consistent aggression than usual

This

Lopez
01-06-2012, 04:23 PM
He still sorely lacks talent so it doesn't change anything.
He'll never win a Slam, let alone consistently challenge the top 4.

He has more potential than your fave Gasquet, even though I really like Richard as well.

Lopez
01-06-2012, 04:24 PM
On topic, we shouldn't get overexcited, he usually has a few matches in a year when he plays like this and then reverts once again to just hanging in the rallies and pushing.

Sunset of Age
01-06-2012, 04:25 PM
Can't help but agree, I've always considered Monfils an incredible athlete and talented tennis player, but a complete clown when it came to tactics. As he's now managed to play two matches in a row with his head screwed on, you'd think/hope we're in for a change and see what he's really capable of in the new season. I'm waiting for the AO to see whether it's indeed happening.

Sophocles
01-06-2012, 05:02 PM
As he's now managed to play two matches in a row with his head screwed on, you'd think/hope we're in for a change

Good point actually. It's probably the first time in his career this has ever happened.

Gagsquet
01-06-2012, 05:09 PM
He has more potential than your fave Gasquet, even though I really like Richard as well.

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Gasquet has more potential unexploited.

tektonac
01-06-2012, 05:09 PM
Monf is playing with much more consistent aggression than usual rather than passive strokes with some fleeting massive shots, any thoughts? Good direction for him?

i noticed the same last year when he played nole in cincy. that's something rasheed tried to instill in him but never managed to.

simplet
01-06-2012, 05:18 PM
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Gasquet has more potential unexploited.

I even like Gasquet better than Monfils but you have to admit that Monfils has just enormous potential.

I mean, the guy is potentially flawless. All his shots are technically sound and potentially massive, the only big hole in his game was his volleys but he's volleying better and better now.

Gasquet is too old to completely reshape his forehand and he'd probably need it to reach his peak potential. Even if he could he can't compete with Monfils in the genetics department; Monfils is taller, faster, stronger and more flexible. Monfils will never have quite the flair Gasquet has, but that's an esthetic quality, it doesn't win you matches.

Mateya
01-06-2012, 05:29 PM
The endless Monfils gamestyle debate...

Play high percentage tennis and retrieve when necessary - but step forward and play an aggresive shot when given the slightest chance and a short ball.
Don't get involved into too much 15+ stroke rallies doing nothing with the ball.

It's simple for me. :shrug: That's how I and Seppi play.

Lopez
01-06-2012, 09:29 PM
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Gasquet has more potential unexploited.

I'm not so sure. Gasquet has a better net game and a backhand but his forehand really holds him back. Monfils' backhand is much less of a weakness than Gasquet's forehand. Add to this superior fitness plus better movement and speed.

Monfils' hindrance is his tactics, Gasquet's is his forehand technique which, sadly, is likely to remain poor for the remainder of his career.

Sham Kay
01-06-2012, 09:40 PM
Agree his current style he has displayed both against Troicki and today vs Nadal looks great if he can keep that up, which I suspect will be tough in grand slams due to his natural tendency to flick the ball and run like mad.

One thing though, the choice of coach is strange, but he like Tsonga is a free spirit type character.. more likely to gain success without a leash. Numerous coaches probably cringe at some of his athletic leaps and foot race brand of tennis, but hey, that's what makes Monfils Monfils.