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Logical
12-30-2011, 03:51 PM
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what is going on? :facepalm:

Gagsquet
12-30-2011, 03:56 PM
Illogical mate I agree

ImmzB
12-30-2011, 04:00 PM
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Always nice to see a brother/sister coming into Islam! :)

GOAT = Fed
12-30-2011, 04:04 PM
What's wrong with people converting to Islam? I mean people have free will, no? :shrug:

ImmzB
12-30-2011, 04:05 PM
What's wrong with people converting to Islam? I mean people have free will, no? :shrug:

+1

Logical
12-30-2011, 04:15 PM
Not wrong but in that video he says it is difficult to live in UK without converting to muslim?:confused:So women are forced to convert?I am sorry if I understand the video badly.

Sham Kay
12-30-2011, 04:25 PM
Can't be asked with watching the entire thing but hey, if these women like the ideals of islam, then good on them for being decisive on how they want to live their life.

I know nothing about Islam apart from that it is the fastest growing religion in the world. So they must be doing something right.

fast_clay
12-30-2011, 04:28 PM
as long as they are not having forced circumcision to gain entry then is no harm....

same shit different bucket really

Logical
12-30-2011, 04:31 PM
Can't be asked with watching the entire thing but hey, if these women like the ideals of islam, then good on them for being decisive on how they want to live their life.

I know nothing about Islam apart from that it is the fastest growing religion in the world. So they must be doing something right.
Christmas trees abandoned in middle east.Freedom for other religions is very little in Islam countries:wavey:Christianity allows freedom to other religions.Why do christians converting to islam knowing this?

Sham Kay
12-30-2011, 04:43 PM
Might want to ask someone who appreciates the idea of religion but I'll give it a go.

I suppose people belong to a particular religion not because of the comforts and freedoms they're given, but because they believe it speaks the most truths, especially regarding how we should be living. These Western Women and all the other Islam converts must simply just want to belong with the religion which they believe will make the world a better place to live.

From my unbiased point of view, the basics of it is, Islam is better at selling themselves than Christianity or any other religion is. You can call it making the most sense, best persuasion, best guilt trips or even best brainwashing.. depends on your point of view.

buddyholly
12-30-2011, 04:48 PM
PRESSTV?

Is this forum turning into a propaganda instrument of Iran.

I gave up a few minutes into the first interview, it was so scripted.

And that English woman presenter covering her hair. Does she really think men will be overcome by lust for her body if she takes it off?

But apart from that video being scripted, I imagine when non-Muslim women fall for a Muslim guy, they are given no choice if they want to marry him. Most probably regret it later.I never got far enough into it to know if they gave any statistics on men converting.

Topspindoctor
12-31-2011, 11:52 AM
From my unbiased point of view, the basics of it is, Islam is better at selling themselves than Christianity or any other religion is. You can call it making the most sense, best persuasion, best guilt trips or even best brainwashing.. depends on your point of view.

It's too bad western governments around the world still haven't realized how dangerous religion is, especially considering most people are brainless sheep. There should be self-awareness classes, which educate people about the dangers of worshiping someone who doesn't exist.

Chip_s_m
12-31-2011, 05:49 PM
It's too bad western governments around the world still haven't realized how dangerous religion is, especially considering most people are brainless sheep. There should be self-awareness classes, which educate people about the dangers of worshiping someone who doesn't exist.

Yes, it would be much better to brainlessly follow a government.

Sham Kay
12-31-2011, 06:29 PM
Yes, it would be much better to brainlessly follow a government.

I've found it's even worse brainlessly following myself.

swisht4u
01-01-2012, 07:31 PM
Religion is just a preference, like having a stand against abortion or some other point of view.

Most of these religions have people in the past communicating to god.
No one today can say this, they would be locked up even if there were witnesses.

There's nothing wrong about liking or not liking Islam, it's just a different point of view.
People get ridiculed on points of view all the time and there's nothing wrong with doing the same to religious believers of a certain faith.

Some think some faiths are just over the edge and don't care for the followers of that faith, this can be called anti-islam, anti-christian or anti-semitism.

It's not always people hating the followers of those faiths but the repulsion that they could get brainwashed so easily into believing in them.

With this set of rules I have no problem with people saying bad things about a religion, everyones point of view in this area should be expressed if they want, it's not always hate as I mentioned above.

I was raised catholic, if anyone has bad things to say about it this is fine, I can't expect everyone to agree with my viewpoint even though now I don't agree with it either.

anti-islam, anti-christian or anti-semitism, just points of view and it's fine by me if any of these man-made rules that involve god is looked down apon.

These western woman made a choice, it means little unless rules from the religion start effecting the law and imposes these rules on everyone.

emotion
01-01-2012, 08:09 PM
Yes, it would be much better to brainlessly follow a government.

It is, a government does not have the same unconditional love (I imagine much NK mourning is fake) as blind faith in a supposed higher being.

Logical
01-06-2012, 06:38 PM
Religion is just a preference, like having a stand against abortion or some other point of view.

Most of these religions have people in the past communicating to god.
No one today can say this, they would be locked up even if there were witnesses.

There's nothing wrong about liking or not liking Islam, it's just a different point of view.
People get ridiculed on points of view all the time and there's nothing wrong with doing the same to religious believers of a certain faith.

Some think some faiths are just over the edge and don't care for the followers of that faith, this can be called anti-islam, anti-christian or anti-semitism.

It's not always people hating the followers of those faiths but the repulsion that they could get brainwashed so easily into believing in them.

With this set of rules I have no problem with people saying bad things about a religion, everyones point of view in this area should be expressed if they want, it's not always hate as I mentioned above.

I was raised catholic, if anyone has bad things to say about it this is fine, I can't expect everyone to agree with my viewpoint even though now I don't agree with it either.

anti-islam, anti-christian or anti-semitism, just points of view and it's fine by me if any of these man-made rules that involve god is looked down apon.

These western woman made a choice, it means little unless rules from the religion start effecting the law and imposes these rules on everyone.There is forced conversions in some parts of world and brainwashing too.In the video it says women in London cannot walk safe in streets without belonging to Isalm.Why governments are not stopping forced conversion?:confused:Some muslim laws are not friendly.In Midle east countries worshiping other Gods is banned.Christianity, Budhist, Hindu countries do not have such laws but why Islams have that?

buddyholly
01-06-2012, 07:03 PM
[QUOTE=Logical;11608671.In Midle east countries worshiping other Gods is banned.Christianity, Budhist, Hindu countries do not have such laws but why Islams have that?[/QUOTE]

Good question. I hope someone answers.

HKz
01-06-2012, 08:01 PM
PRESSTV?

Is this forum turning into a propaganda instrument of Iran.

I gave up a few minutes into the first interview, it was so scripted.

And that English woman presenter covering her hair. Does she really think men will be overcome by lust for her body if she takes it off?

But apart from that video being scripted, I imagine when non-Muslim women fall for a Muslim guy, they are given no choice if they want to marry him. Most probably regret it later.I never got far enough into it to know if they gave any statistics on men converting.

I'm Muslim and my wife is Christian :confused: I certainly never forced her to convert, even though she has offered to.

EddceLLent
01-06-2012, 10:26 PM
I suppose people belong to a particular religion not because of the comforts and freedoms they're given, but because they believe it speaks the most truths, especially regarding how we should be living. These Western Women and all the other Islam converts must simply just want to belong with the religion which they believe will make the world a better place to live.

1.) No, I think it's far too simplistic to say that people follow certain religions because they believe that they espouse the most truths. Surely it must be the case that a vast majority of religious people in the world are born into families or cultures where they'd be ostracised for not following the religion that the rest of their family/society are. I think it's probably a very small minority of religious people that have finally chosen that path after careful spiritual contemplation.

2.) Maybe it's just me being cynical, but perhaps western women marrying muslim men and converting to Islam is just a reaction against feminism? A lot of women want to be submissive and maybe they feel more comfortable being in a relationship where the man is in charge and their roles are more clearly defined.

abraxas21
01-07-2012, 04:47 PM
I'm Muslim and my wife is Christian :confused: I certainly never forced her to convert, even though she has offered to.

something tells me that deep down inside of BH's squared mind, he just won't be able to process that type of idea.

abraxas21
01-07-2012, 04:48 PM
this thread and the OP are a joke btw

buddyholly
01-07-2012, 10:01 PM
I'm Muslim and my wife is Christian :confused: I certainly never forced her to convert, even though she has offered to.

I'm confused too.

I surveyed a number of sites, but was unable to find a simple answer to the question, "Does Islam permit a Muslim man to marry a Christian woman?'

Maybe you can help. Did you have a civil marriage or were you married by an Imam who knew your wife was not Muslim?

For me as an atheist, the whole thing about converting when marrying just illustrates the irrelevance of religion. One would think a particular religion should be something someone should come to after some thought. But it just seems to be a cultural convenience now.
If your wife has not converted freely then she must believe in her Christianity. But she seems willing to throw that away for the sake of conformity.

Maybe I should just ask abraxas.....

tripwires
01-08-2012, 06:07 AM
I'm Muslim and my wife is Christian :confused: I certainly never forced her to convert, even though she has offered to.

Aren't you the exception though? From my (perhaps limited) experience, whenever a non-Muslim marries a Muslim the non-Muslim usually converts to Islam, most often because he/she has to. But I'm interested in hearing about your experience; do share. :)

Logical
01-08-2012, 09:09 AM
this thread and the OP are a joke btwYou are the donkey joke:wavey:

vucina
01-08-2012, 12:46 PM
I'm confused too.

I surveyed a number of sites, but was unable to find a simple answer to the question, "Does Islam permit a Muslim man to marry a Christian woman?'

Maybe you can help. Did you have a civil marriage or were you married by an Imam who knew your wife was not Muslim?

For me as an atheist, the whole thing about converting when marrying just illustrates the irrelevance of religion. One would think a particular religion should be something someone should come to after some thought. But it just seems to be a cultural convenience now.
If your wife has not converted freely then she must believe in her Christianity. But she seems willing to throw that away for the sake of conformity.

Maybe I should just ask abraxas.....
He can, under the condition the children are raised as Muslims. A Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim because then there is no guarantee the children will have Muslim upbringing.

swisht4u
01-09-2012, 04:22 AM
There is forced conversions in some parts of world and brainwashing too.
In the video it says women in London cannot walk safe in streets without belonging to Isalm.
Why governments are not stopping forced conversion?:confused:

Some muslim laws are not friendly.
In Midle east countries worshiping other Gods is banned.
Christianity, Budhist, Hindu countries do not have such laws but why Islams have that?

I don't like the Islam/Muslim ideals you mention.
We just have to keep an eye on them, make sure they don't get out of hand.

abraxas21
01-09-2012, 04:47 AM
Aren't you the exception though? From my (perhaps limited) experience, whenever a non-Muslim marries a Muslim the non-Muslim usually converts to Islam, most often because he/she has to. But I'm interested in hearing about your experience; do share. :)

without claiming expertise, isn't the same for all religions really? if you want to marry in a Catholic Church you and your couple will be required to convert to Catholicism (if they're not already).

if you want to marry in some sinagog (or whereever it is where the Jews get married), you'll have to convert to Judaism

why should we expect Islam to be different?

i think the real matter is that a lot of people assume all Muslims are totally driven by their religion. needless to say, that's far from being a reality. to that extent, one can easily cite the example of marat safin who is a Muslim and yet doesn't seem too compromised with a life of religious fervor.

buddyholly
01-09-2012, 05:22 AM
without claiming expertise, isn't the same for all religions really? if you want to marry in a Catholic Church you and your couple will be required to convert to Catholicism (if they're not already).

if you want to marry in some sinagog (or whereever it is where the Jews get married), you'll have to convert to Judaism



This appears to be nonsense. If you want to get married in some cheaphell (or wherever it is where the Catholics get married) then probably, yes, one of the couple should preferably be Catholic, duh!
But there is no requirement for the other person to convert, or that the children should be brought up as Catholic, for that matter.

buddyholly
01-09-2012, 05:26 AM
i think the real matter is that a lot of people assume all Muslims are totally driven by their religion.

Nonsense again.

But you might be onto something if you claim that a lot of people assume that Islamic fundamentalists would prefer all Muslims to be totally driven by religion

Har-Tru
01-09-2012, 09:22 AM
without claiming expertise, isn't the same for all religions really? if you want to marry in a Catholic Church you and your couple will be required to convert to Catholicism (if they're not already).

if you want to marry in some sinagog (or whereever it is where the Jews get married), you'll have to convert to Judaism

why should we expect Islam to be different?

i think the real matter is that a lot of people assume all Muslims are totally driven by their religion. needless to say, that's far from being a reality. to that extent, one can easily cite the example of marat safin who is a Muslim and yet doesn't seem too compromised with a life of religious fervor.

This appears to be nonsense. If you want to get married in some cheaphell (or wherever it is where the Catholics get married) then probably, yes, one of the couple should preferably be Catholic, duh!
But there is no requirement for the other person to convert, or that the children should be brought up as Catholic, for that matter.

It's always been my understanding that the Catholic church allows a Catholic to marry a non-Catholic under the condition that the children are brought up Catholic. The non-Catholic parent is not forced to convert, though.

tripwires
01-09-2012, 01:04 PM
without claiming expertise, isn't the same for all religions really? if you want to marry in a Catholic Church you and your couple will be required to convert to Catholicism (if they're not already).

if you want to marry in some sinagog (or whereever it is where the Jews get married), you'll have to convert to Judaism

why should we expect Islam to be different?

i think the real matter is that a lot of people assume all Muslims are totally driven by their religion. needless to say, that's far from being a reality. to that extent, one can easily cite the example of marat safin who is a Muslim and yet doesn't seem too compromised with a life of religious fervor.

I don't claim expertise either, but I've always understood Islam to be more strict about a non-believer converting to Islam if the non-believer wishes to marry a believer. That's what I've heard from all my Muslims friends at least (I'm actually Singaporean, not Australian, in case anyone's fooled by my fake country flag). I have had next to zero experience with Judaism so I can't comment, but if I do marry my Christian boyfriend, it'd probably be in a church - and I have zero intention of converting (I'd also have a secular wedding for sure though).

Back to Islam - I'm of the view that there's no one right "Islamic way", so to speak (well, duh, really); it's just that this "conversion by virtue of marriage" thing has appeared to me to happen more frequently for Islam than other religions.

I see your point re. your last paragraph. That said, from my experience, the Muslims that I know generally tend to follow their religious practices more than the Christians, Catholics or Buddhists. When I say that I don't mean they wear a burqa or whatever (although many Muslim women in Singapore do); they just tend to follow certain rituals more than followers of other faiths. Friday prayers, for instance; on the other hand, some of my Christian friends barely go to church.

Of course, that may just be simply a matter of 1) I know more Christians/etc than Muslims; and 2) Islam has more religious rituals, maybe. I just find it interesting, this seeming difference between followers of Islam and followers of other religions.

abraxas21
01-09-2012, 01:32 PM
This appears to be nonsense. If you want to get married in some cheaphell (or wherever it is where the Catholics get married) then probably, yes, one of the couple should preferably be Catholic, duh!
But there is no requirement for the other person to convert, or that the children should be brought up as Catholic, for that matter.

It's always been my understanding that the Catholic church allows a Catholic to marry a non-Catholic under the condition that the children are brought up Catholic. The non-Catholic parent is not forced to convert, though.

fair enough. point taken.

abraxas21
01-09-2012, 01:35 PM
I don't claim expertise either, but I've always understood Islam to be more strict about a non-believer converting to Islam if the non-believer wishes to marry a believer. That's what I've heard from all my Muslims friends at least (I'm actually Singaporean, not Australian, in case anyone's fooled by my fake country flag). I have had next to zero experience with Judaism so I can't comment, but if I do marry my Christian boyfriend, it'd probably be in a church - and I have zero intention of converting (I'd also have a secular wedding for sure though).

Back to Islam - I'm of the view that there's no one right "Islamic way", so to speak (well, duh, really); it's just that this "conversion by virtue of marriage" thing has appeared to me to happen more frequently for Islam than other religions.

I see your point re. your last paragraph. That said, from my experience, the Muslims that I know generally tend to follow their religious practices more than the Christians, Catholics or Buddhists. When I say that I don't mean they wear a burqa or whatever (although many Muslim women in Singapore do); they just tend to follow certain rituals more than followers of other faiths. Friday prayers, for instance; on the other hand, some of my Christian friends barely go to church.

Of course, that may just be simply a matter of 1) I know more Christians/etc than Muslims; and 2) Islam has more religious rituals, maybe. I just find it interesting, this seeming difference between followers of Islam and followers of other religions.

yes, even though i literally know no Muslisms, i take it as granted that on the whole scheme of things they're generally more devouted to their religion than Christians.

star
01-09-2012, 04:55 PM
without claiming expertise, isn't the same for all religions really? if you want to marry in a Catholic Church you and your couple will be required to convert to Catholicism (if they're not already).

if you want to marry in some sinagog (or whereever it is where the Jews get married), you'll have to convert to Judaism

why should we expect Islam to be different?

i think the real matter is that a lot of people assume all Muslims are totally driven by their religion. needless to say, that's far from being a reality. to that extent, one can easily cite the example of marat safin who is a Muslim and yet doesn't seem too compromised with a life of religious fervor.

Really, I don’t know where you live, but in the United States this is not true at all. Jews are married to Christians, Catholics to Baptists, and all sorts of religious mixings. I even know of one couple of jewish and hindu faiths. Of course, the norm is that a couple decides together how or if they want to worship.

I have heard that a muslim woman cannot marry a non-muslim man. I suppose there is some tradition that the children take the religion of the father. Whereas in the jewish tradition, children born of a jewish mother are jewish. These sorts of things are rooted in culture and don’t make a lot of sense in a society where religions can flourish together and people are free to marry whom they choose.

Also there are all kinds of different adherence to faith. Clearly Marat Safin is not a devout Muslim although he may identify with having been raised as a chid in that culture. I was identify with a Christian culture because that’s how I was raised, but I don’t claim the status of a believer.

habibko
01-09-2012, 05:38 PM
I'm Muslim and my wife is Christian :confused: I certainly never forced her to convert, even though she has offered to.

the other way around is prohibited in Islam, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man

does it sound fair to you? it sure doesn't to me

Nirjhor
01-09-2012, 08:45 PM
the other way around is prohibited in Islam, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man

does it sound fair to you? it sure doesn't to me

I've got this same explanation for the same question(Why a Muslim man can marry a non-Muslim women while a Muslim Woman can not?) a long time ago. And just now I found it in a website.
Actually it is all about having belief in Prophets and the Holy books.
Allowing a Muslim man to marry a Christian or a Jewish woman, is an exceptional rule applied under special circumstances. And when a Muslim man marries a Christian or a Jewish woman, there is no problem, because he believes in all prophets, and all holy books. There will be no problem between him and his wife in this matter, especially that his religion -Islam- commands him to be fair with his wife even if she were Christian or Jewish. And any Muslim man going through such marriage should have strong belief in his faith, and should strongly abide by his religion.

The reason for forbidding a Muslim woman from marrying a non-Muslim, is that a Christian or a Jewish man believes only in his prophet, and doesn’t believe in prophet Mohamed Salla Allah Allih Wa Salam or any of the other prophets (blessing be upon them).

For example, when this Muslim woman, tries to teach her kids to love and respect all prophets and believe in all of them, her non-Muslim husband will not agree, because he believes only in his prophet. He will interfere in the way she raises her kids, and prevents her from raising them in an Islamic way. And here comes the real problem, because she will have only two options, whether she leaves the whole thing as it is, and does nothing about it -which will be an insult to her religion- or she argues about the matter, and this will sure lead to more marital problems.

On the other hand, there will be no such problems between a Muslim husband, and a non Muslim wife, because if this wife tried to teach her kids to love and believe in her prophet, her Muslim husband will not refuse that because he already believes in her prophet and all prophets. This is why Islam allows the marriage between Muslim man and non-Muslim woman, and forbids the marriage between Muslim woman, and non-Muslim man. Because Islam respects the marital relationship and wants to guarantee its stability, not because it respects men, and disrespects women …

habibko
01-09-2012, 10:03 PM
what bullshit, I can easily write that this way to make my case

Allowing a Muslim woman to marry a Christian or a Jewish man, is an exceptional rule applied under special circumstances. And when a Muslim woman marries a Christian or a Jewish man, there is no problem, because she believes in all prophets, and all holy books. There will be no problem between her and her husband in this matter, especially that her religion -Islam- commands her to be good to her husband even if he were Christian or Jewish. And any Muslim woman going through such marriage should have strong belief in her faith, and should strongly abide by her religion.

The reason for forbidding a Muslim man from marrying a non-Muslim, is that a Christian or a Jewish woman believes only in her prophet, and doesn’t believe in prophet Mohamed Salla Allah Allih Wa Salam or any of the other prophets (blessing be upon them).

For example, when this Muslim man, tries to teach his kids to love and respect all prophets and believe in all of them, his non-Muslim wife will not agree, because she believes only in her prophet. She will interfere in the way he raises his kids, and prevents him from raising them in an Islamic way. And here comes the real problem, because he will have only two options, whether he leaves the whole thing as it is, and does nothing about it -which will be an insult to his religion- or he argues about the matter, and this will sure lead to more marital problems.

On the other hand, there will be no such problems between a Muslim wife, and a non Muslim husband, because if this husband tried to teach his kids to love and believe in his prophet, his Muslim wife will not refuse that because she already believes in his prophet and all prophets. This is why Islam allows the marriage between Muslim woman and non-Muslim man, and forbids the marriage between Muslim man, and non-Muslim woman. Because Islam respects the marital relationship and wants to guarantee its stability, not because it respects women, and disrespects men …

let's pretend it has nothing with giving a man (who happens to be the one dictating the religion) more rights for himself when he happens to lust over a girl that isn't of his same religion, and then deny women the same right

reminds me of the whole polygamy debate and why women aren't allowed 4 men, traditionally they said because then how can we know who the father is? yet now in the age of DNA profiling and that out of the question it still is prohibited

LittleGloves
01-10-2012, 06:47 AM
the other way around is prohibited in Islam, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man

does it sound fair to you? it sure doesn't to me

Yes true. But a Muslim woman can marry a non-Muslim man if he converted to Muslim right?

Yes it doesn't sound fair at all.