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Egypt security forces storm NGO offices

abraxas21
12-29-2011, 09:50 PM
Police raid at least 17 non-governmental organisations, including two US-based "pro-democracy'' groups.

Egyptian security forces and police have stormed non-governmental organisation (NGO) offices throughout the country, temporarily detaining employees and searching computer files, an activist and security official have said.

The official MENA news agency said 17 "civil society organisations", including two prominent US-based pro-democracy groups that run programmes training political parties, had been targeted as part of an investigation into foreign funding of such groups.

"The public prosecutor has searched 17 civil society organisations, local and foreign, as part of the foreign funding case," MENA cited the Egyptian prosecutor's office as saying.

"The search is based on evidence showing violation of Egyptian laws including not having permits."

Gamal Eid, the head of the Arabic Network for Human Rights Information, said an employee trapped inside one of the NGOs called him to say security forces were removing laptop computers.

The raids targeted local offices of the US-based International Republican Institute (IRI) and National Democratic Institute (NDI), among others, said a security source and employees at some of the organisations.

"Security forces who said they were from the public prosecutor are raiding our offices as we speak. They are grabbing all the papers and laptops as well," said one person working at NDI.

Employees detained

The security source said employees at the offices were not allowed to leave while the searches continued.

The NDI and IRI, loosely associated with the US Democratic and Republican political parties, say they take a neutral political stance, fostering democracy in Egypt by training members of nascent parties in democratic processes.

"The National Democratic Institute has been training new parties ... in how to participate in elections," a leading member of a liberal party said on condition of anonymity.

"This has been with the full knowledge of authorities and was not clandestine."

The NDI said on its website that it works toward fostering exchanges of ideas between countries regarding democratic transitions.

The IRI said it is working with Egyptian activists to strengthen their knowledge of political party development, campaign strategy and public opinion research.

Egypt's military has vowed to investigate how pro-democracy and human rights organisations are funded and has said repeatedly it will not tolerate foreign interference in the country's affairs.

Some Egyptian rights groups that have been at the vanguard of protests are demanding that the army, in power since February, hand power swiftly to elected civilians
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/12/20111229152611424630.html

good. it's well known that a lot of those NGO actually are spy agencies working for the interests of foreign gvts.

Mjau!
12-30-2011, 01:47 AM
You do realize Mubarak was a puppet for the US and Israel, right? Any US based pro-democracy NGO in Egypt is certainly not working in the interest of the US government.

Mjau!
12-30-2011, 02:14 AM
Riling up syrian anti-gov'ment protests is more in their interests.

Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq. This has triggered a Jordanian-Syrian rivalry to which Asad has responded by stepping up efforts to destabilize the Hashemite Kingdom, including using infiltrations. Syria recently signaled that it and Iran might prefer a weak, but barely surviving Saddam, if only to undermine and humiliate Jordan in its efforts to remove Saddam.

But Syria enters this conflict with potential weaknesses: Damascus is too preoccupied with dealing with the threatened new regional equation to permit distractions of the Lebanese flank. And Damascus fears that the 'natural axis' with Israel on one side, central Iraq and Turkey on the other, and Jordan, in the center would squeeze and detach Syria from the Saudi Peninsula. For Syria, this could be the prelude to a redrawing of the map of the Middle East which would threaten Syria's territorial integrity.

Since Iraq's future could affect the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly, it would be understandable that Israel has an interest in supporting the Hashemites in their efforts to redefine Iraq, including such measures as: visiting Jordan as the first official state visit, even before a visit to the United States, of the new Netanyahu government; supporting King Hussein by providing him with some tangible security measures to protect his regime against Syrian subversion; encouraging — through influence in the U.S. business community — investment in Jordan to structurally shift Jordan’s economy away from dependence on Iraq; and diverting Syria’s attention by using Lebanese opposition elements to destabilize Syrian control of Lebanon.

Most important, it is understandable that Israel has an interest supporting diplomatically, militarily and operationally Turkey’s and Jordan’s actions against Syria, such as securing tribal alliances with Arab tribes that cross into Syrian territory and are hostile to the Syrian ruling elite.

http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

US plotted to change world political map

A new memo reveals that the US government planned to change the "world's political map" by waging wars on Afghanistan, Iraq, and a third country.

Emphasizing support for local opposition groups rather than direct US strikes, Rumsfeld is wary of excessive or imprecise US aerial attacks which risk "creating images of Americans killing Muslims."

The memo argues that the US should "capitalize on our strong suit, which is not finding a few hundred terrorists in the caves of Afghanistan," and instead using "the vastness of our military and humanitarian resources, which can strengthen enormously the opposition forces in terrorist-supporting states."

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/202769.html

Former four star general and NATO commander Wesley Clark explains US ME-policy:

3 min onwards:
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Putin on the killing of Gaddafi: “The whole world saw him being killed, all bloodied... And who did it? Drones, including American ones, delivered a strike on his motorcade. Then commandos, who were not supposed to be there, brought in so-called opposition and militants. And killed him without trial,”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_m15uyMMc

Probably western soldiers spotted in this Gaddafi clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dLvzDb_eQA

'US training & arming rebels in Syria'

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12:14 "Earl Hilliard was a member of congress. In the 90's, he wanted to establish ties with Libya, Africa... Hilliard: What AIPAC did... they put in resolutions condemning Libya... and kept pushing for all kinds of sanctions, all kinds of actions against them [Libya, Iran, Iraq and Syria]."

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The main-stream media is tied in with the military-industrial complex.

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"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
- William Colby, former CIA Director

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
- Richard Salant, former President of CBS News

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2:50: "Rogue states like Iran, Iraq or Libya" 4:10: "There are no more than 5 or 6 countries in the world which are directly or indirectly responsible for hosting terror... and it's time for action..." 5:22: "It's a time to launch a[n] operational, concrete, war against terror..." 7:44: "Rogue states, there are five of them, Iraq, Iran, Libya, North Korea. These kind of states should be treated as rogue states."

Of course, non of them had anything to do with the attacks. Certainly not the anti-islamist regime in Iraq. But that didn't stop PNAC (the think-tank mentioned by general Wesley Clark above) members from claiming israeli intelligence witnessed lead-hijacker Mohammed Atta meeting with iraqis in "Czechoslovakia" :facepalm: and witnessed a transfer of anthrax from the iraqis to Atta, even though the anthrax actually came from US defense labs! It was a complete fabrication, just like the sloppy Niger forgeries or the "mobile bio-weapon labs", AKA, facilities for the production of hydrogen gas to fill balloons the iraqis had purchased from the UK.

'Obama Secretly Preparing for Syria Intervention'
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/29/obama-secretly-preparing-for-syria-intervention/

abraxas21
12-30-2011, 03:32 AM
You do realize Mubarak was a puppet for the US and Israel, right?

im well aware of it

Any US based pro-democracy NGO in Egypt is certainly not working in the interest of the US government.

what does that have to do with anything? like a lot of US Gvt organizations, several NGO are "pro-democracy" only in their name. you shouldn't believe everything you read...

Mjau!
12-30-2011, 03:35 AM
im well aware of it



what does that have to do with anything? like a lot of US Gvt organizations, several NGO are "pro-democracy" only in their name. you shouldn't believe everything you read...

Why would the US be against the egyptian military? They are the ones storming the NGO's, not the protestors, not the opposition. The US most likely wants the military to hang on to power.

abraxas21
12-30-2011, 03:48 AM
Why would the US be against the egyptian military? They are the ones storming the NGO's, not the protestors, not the opposition.

but you keep assuming those NGO are everything they claim to be. that's where i don't agree. a lot of NGO claim to do one thing in the name of peace, freedom and democracy when in reality they have very different objetives in mind.


The US most likely wants the military to hang on to power.

doubtful.

as the article pointed out, among the organizations that were stormed there was the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs and the International Republican Institute, both very political organizations that receive funding from the US gvt via USAID. both of them happen to have had a great deal of controversy for promoting coups and for fomenting the birth of right wing groups in favour of american interests.

basically, the usa wants to maintain control in egypt and other nearby country and several NGO and other agencies they directly fund help to that goal.

@Sweet Cleopatra
12-30-2011, 07:08 AM
A civil war is soon to be in Egypt. Things are very bad there.

jmf07
12-30-2011, 09:30 AM
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/202769.html

:lol: hardly a credible source

Mjau!
12-30-2011, 01:35 PM
:lol: hardly a credible source

No offense, but are you :stupid:? It's from a declassified US government document. Do you really think pressTV would just make that up? :facepalm: Google, "If the war does not significantly change the world's political map, the US will not achieve its aim" or any other quote and you'll get some hits... :rolleyes:

Then you can click the link below and read the actual declassified memo.

The U.S. strategic theme should be aiding local peoples to rid themselves of terrorists and to free themselves of regimes that support terrorism. U.S. Special Operations Forces and intelligence personnel should make allies of afghanis, Iraqis, Lebanese, Sudanese and others who would use U.S. equipment, training, financial, military and humanitarian support to root out and attack the common enemies.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB358a/doc13.pdf

Not surprised that you chose to ignore everything else in that post. People like you are completely unsusceptible to anything that may challenege their world view.

Mjau!
12-30-2011, 01:37 PM
but you keep assuming those NGO are everything they claim to be. that's where i don't agree. a lot of NGO claim to do one thing in the name of peace, freedom and democracy when in reality they have very different objetives in mind.




doubtful.

as the article pointed out, among the organizations that were stormed there was the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs and the International Republican Institute, both very political organizations that receive funding from the US gvt via USAID. both of them happen to have had a great deal of controversy for promoting coups and for fomenting the birth of right wing groups in favour of american interests.

basically, the usa wants to maintain control in egypt and other nearby country and several NGO and other agencies they directly fund help to that goal.

If the military doesn't, anti-western/israeli forces will take over.

buddyholly
12-30-2011, 01:42 PM
PressTV? Does abraxas approve you believing that?

jmf07
01-01-2012, 04:36 AM
No offense, but are you :stupid:? It's from a declassified US government document. Do you really think pressTV would just make that up? :facepalm: Google, "If the war does not significantly change the world's political map, the US will not achieve its aim" or any other quote and you'll get some hits... :rolleyes:

Then you can click the link below and read the actual declassified memo.



http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB358a/doc13.pdf

Not surprised that you chose to ignore everything else in that post. People like you are completely unsusceptible to anything that may challenege their world view.

:lol: a bit dramatic. I made a valid comment about one of your sources and if you want to be taken more seriously you should at least make the effort to quote a more respectable source but no I am a big retard. Why would I waste my time reading the rest of your post when I could be reading other material from qualified experts who aren't relying on a questionable source to make their argument look stronger. Your response just shows how unreasonable you are and then you make an incorrect conclusion about me based on a sentence I wrote consisting of four words. Too good Mjau.

buddyholly
01-01-2012, 12:31 PM
:lol: a bit dramatic. I made a valid comment about one of your sources and if you want to be taken more seriously you should at least make the effort to quote a more respectable source but no I am a big retard.

What is the matter with you? It is the Iranian government speaking. Why don't you just lap up everything they say? I mean, it is not as if they are denying the Holocaust or anything.

Mjau!
01-01-2012, 06:46 PM
You people are shockingly stupid. The source is not the iranian government, the source is a US government memo written by Donald Rumsfeld. They're not going "Rumsfeld said this according to sources that wish to remain anonymous. Trust us on this.", they're ******* quoting Donald Rumsfeld from a document declassified and released by the US government. The source is as good as it gets.

:stupid: :rolleyes:

Mjau!
01-01-2012, 06:47 PM
I added an article by Sibel Edmonds to post #3.

shiaben
01-02-2012, 05:41 AM
No, if anyone is stupid it is you. I never thought the Iranian government was the source of the unidentified memo, but it is the source of the article and the article does not identify the memo. Considering that it is a government that routinely lies, they should identify the memo.

But maybe it does not matter. What is in the ''article'' supports a thesis that the US was interested in a better world, post-terrorism. Hardly anything new there.

Your obsession with Iran is quite sickening. You sound like a neo-con war monger.

shiaben
01-02-2012, 05:45 AM
Anyways, for those of you curious about the situations in Egypt.

The situation in that country is quite complex. While Mubarak the U.S. backed puppet was overthrown and is now in the process of trial, the military influence that was once under his rule is still a major power that still continues to remain an obstacle in Egypt's freedom and democracy. The Egyptian military is a powerful entity that works very close with NATO and Israel.

In fact the Egyptian military is notorious for massacring and killing Egyptian Christians, and then blaming the attack on Egyptian Muslim locals, in order to taint the image of the open minded Muslim Brotherhood group. In fact, even the Salafist fundamentalists who are notorious for creating conflicts, were not even behind these attacks. Only the military.

Hopefully the people of Egypt are strong enough to unite, and fight this corrupt military presence that seeks to prevent them from picking out their own leaders and making their own decisions.

buddyholly
01-02-2012, 01:01 PM
Your obsession with Iran is quite sickening. You sound like a neo-con war monger.

I didn't bring it up. Mjau did. Mjau must really make you puke, then?

Go be sick somewhere else. You get more ridiculous each day.

But yes, I am so obsesses with Iran I am considering using its flag in my profile.

What your post probably says is ''I hate it when people disagree with me. I don't know how to reply so I will just call them names. That will show them. Plus, I will then read my own nonsense and promote myself to ''satisfier of the ignorant masses' curiosity''.

buddyholly
01-02-2012, 01:04 PM
Anyways, for those of you curious about the situations in Egypt.

The situation in that country is quite complex. While Mubarak the U.S. backed puppet was overthrown and is now in the process of trial, the military influence that was once under his rule is still a major power that still continues to remain an obstacle in Egypt's freedom and democracy. The Egyptian military is a powerful entity that works very close with NATO and Israel.

In fact the Egyptian military is notorious for massacring and killing Egyptian Christians, and then blaming the attack on Egyptian Muslim locals, in order to taint the image of the open minded Muslim Brotherhood group. In fact, even the Salafist fundamentalists who are notorious for creating conflicts, were not even behind these attacks. Only the military.

Hopefully the people of Egypt are strong enough to unite, and fight this corrupt military presence that seeks to prevent them from picking out their own leaders and making their own decisions.

What in the world would make you think that anyone with a brain would come to you to satisfy their curiousity about ''situations in Egypt''?

buddyholly
01-02-2012, 01:14 PM
You people are shockingly stupid. The source is not the iranian government, the source is a US government memo written by Donald Rumsfeld. They're not going "Rumsfeld said this according to sources that wish to remain anonymous. Trust us on this.", they're ******* quoting Donald Rumsfeld from a document declassified and released by the US government. The source is as good as it gets.

:stupid: :rolleyes:

It is a short memo emphasizing that the US should fight terrorism by winning the trust of governments and people instead of just straight military action. Isn't that just awful?

abraxas21
01-02-2012, 02:34 PM
You get more ridiculous each day.

What your post probably says is ''I hate it when people disagree with me. I don't know how to reply so I will just call them names. That will show them. Plus, I will then read my own nonsense and promote myself to ''satisfier of the ignorant masses' curiosity''.

and in the next post:

What in the world would make you think that anyone with a brain would come to you to satisfy their curiousity about ''situations in Egypt''?

:rolleyes:

buddyholly
01-02-2012, 04:18 PM
Very witty comment!

shiaben
01-02-2012, 05:31 PM
What is the matter with you? It is the Iranian government speaking. Why don't you just lap up everything they say? I mean, it is not as if they are denying the Holocaust or anything.

Find me a source that states that the Iranian people and govt. don't believe the holocaust happened.

And BTW, investigating into matters involving the holocaust, doesn't necessarily imply denying it.

The Iranians and the rest of the world, would love to know, what relationship the holocaust has with launching a genocide of Palestinians in the Middle East.

Maybe you can explain to us why the holocaust would provoke one ethnic group that underwent genocide (Jews), to commit a genocide against another group (Palestinians). Maybe you can care to explain how this even makes sense?

abraxas21
01-02-2012, 05:33 PM
Very witty comment!

it was rather more of a smile than a comment ;)

buddyholly
01-02-2012, 06:30 PM
Find me a source that states that the Iranian people and govt. don't believe the holocaust happened.

And BTW, investigating into matters involving the holocaust, doesn't necessarily imply denying it.



Amahdinejad, December 2005: "They have fabricated a legend under the name of The Massacre of the Jews.''

Iran's puppet Hamas, Stockholm 2000: "The Holocaust is an alleged and invented story.''

Syrian author Al-Mardani on Iranian TV: "I was very happy when the Iranian President denied the Holocaust.

No, investigating matters involving the Holocaust does not necessarily imply denying it, but investigating the existence of the Holocaust confirms lunacy.

shiaben
01-02-2012, 08:22 PM
Amahdinejad, December 2005: "They have fabricated a legend under the name of The Massacre of the Jews.''

Iran's puppet Hamas, Stockholm 2000: "The Holocaust is an alleged and invented story.''

Syrian author Al-Mardani on Iranian TV: "I was very happy when the Iranian President denied the Holocaust.

No, investigating matters involving the Holocaust does not necessarily imply denying it, but investigating the existence of the Holocaust confirms lunacy.

Well, perhaps in that context, all these guys were right. They'll recognize the holocaust, the day the Palestinian genocide is recognized ;)

buddyholly
01-02-2012, 10:21 PM
Well, perhaps in that context, all these guys were right. They'll recognize the holocaust, the day the Palestinian genocide is recognized ;)

Sorry, but there is no wriggle room.