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Another Reason Why Religion Is A Joke!

Certinfy
12-10-2011, 06:41 PM
"A girl gang of Somali Muslims who repeatedly kicked a woman in the head during a drunken attack were spared jail after a judge heard that their religion meant they were not used to drinking."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html

What kind of world are we living in? Beyond stupid. :stupid:

Time Violation
12-10-2011, 07:08 PM
Four drunk hoes don't really have anything to do with a religion. They only pulled that card to save their sorry asses, and unfortunately it worked.

vucina
12-10-2011, 07:16 PM
"A girl gang of Somali Muslims who repeatedly kicked a woman in the head during a drunken attack were spared jail after a judge heard that their religion meant they were not used to drinking."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html

What kind of world are we living in? Beyond stupid. :stupid:
More like "Another reason why British justice system is a joke".

Nathaliia
12-10-2011, 07:21 PM
don't worry, some sharia freak is gonna stone them to death for this alcohol drinking
imo they'd be safer in jail

arm
12-10-2011, 07:25 PM
Religion is not to blame, the stupid juridical system is.

shiaben
12-10-2011, 07:27 PM
The judicial system blows there. The religion is not to blame, but the idiotic judge that created a ruling out of his rear end.

acionescu
12-10-2011, 07:29 PM
More like the judge was a joke, looks to me

habibko
12-10-2011, 07:38 PM
if that's how the British civil courts treat them might as well leave them to Islamic judges, at least they would be lashed 80 times each according to Sharia law for drinking

speaking of lashes, this is the annual lashing month for Shia Muslims

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/muharram-the-festival-of-flagellation

how about this for a joke?

shiaben
12-10-2011, 07:41 PM
if that's how the British civil courts treat them might as well leave them to Islamic judges, at least they would be lashed 80 times each according to Sharia law for drinking

speaking of lashes, this is the annual lashing month for Shia Muslims

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/muharram-the-festival-of-flagellation

how about this for a joke?

They are commemorating their martyr.

I admit it doesn't look pretty but it's none of your business what they do or other people do as long as they don't injure or kill themselves in the process. There are people in India who walk on spikes and on fire but as long as they're healthy and sound, they should be able to go about their rituals and beliefs.

Don't be ethnocentric.

Stay on topic :)

habibko
12-10-2011, 07:47 PM
They are commemorating their martyr.

I admit it doesn't look pretty but it's none of your business what they do or other people do as long as they don't injure or kill themselves in the process. There are people in India who walk on spikes and on fire but as long as they're healthy and sound, they should be able to go about their rituals and beliefs.

Don't be ethnocentric.

Stay on topic :)

none of my business? I don't know how you define injury but heavy bleeding from open wounds on the head and back is called injury here

as long as you are an adult I couldn't care less what you do with your back really, but when children are involved - as you can see in the pix - in this madness of course it's everyone's business, those fuckers (you included since you justify this) don't seem to care

and I'm on topic, offering another reason why religion is a joke :D

shiaben
12-10-2011, 07:56 PM
none of my business? I don't know how you define injury but heavy bleeding from open wounds on the head and back is called injury here

as long as you are an adult I couldn't care less what you do with your back really, but when children are involved - as you can see in the pix - in this madness of course it's everyone's business, those fuckers (you included since you justify this) don't seem to care

and I'm on topic, offering another reason why religion is a joke :D

I'm not supportive of getting the minors involved.

But from what I've seen these none of these people died from these incidents which makes it remarkable. As long as they don't kill themselves, it's their business.

So if anyone doesn't like it, they can fuck off (including you), and refrain from watching them.

How would you like it if people talked about women in Arabia not being able to drive? I think that to me is a bigger joke than a few people practicing religious rituals.

Anyways, thanks to you diverting the topic, we've gone off topic.

Lets stick to the topic of the drunk Somalis.

arm
12-10-2011, 08:00 PM
I'm not supportive of getting the minors involved.

But from what I've seen these none of these people died from these incidents which makes it remarkable. As long as they don't kill themselves, it's their business.

So if anyone doesn't like it, they can fuck off (including you), and refrain from watching them.

How would you like it if people talked about women in Arabia not being able to drive? I think that to me is a bigger joke than a few people practicing religious rituals.

Anyways, thanks to you diverting the topic, we've gone off topic.

Lets stick to the topic of the drunk Somalis.

This approach to stuff "if they don't kill themselves or others it's ok" is bullh*t big time. And if the world was rulled like that we would all be screwed.

habibko
12-10-2011, 08:09 PM
funny how defensive you are getting over such a stupid ignorant ritual from the middle ages :lol:

But from what I've seen these none of these people died from these incidents which makes it remarkable. As long as they don't kill themselves, it's their business.

look at you, just realized it involves injury so you took that off from your "as long" list, how pathetic

So if anyone doesn't like it, they can fuck off (including you), and refrain from watching them.

I don't like the involvement of children in it and I'm free to voice my concern as much as I want, who are you to tell me what I should say or not, the Basij?

How would you like it if people talked about women in Arabia not being able to drive?

I like it very much since I talk about it often myself, I don't defend pathetic acts just because my country/people do them

I think that to me is a bigger joke than a few people practicing religious rituals.

you have demonstrated your unsound judgement enough for me to not care what you think

shiaben
12-10-2011, 08:30 PM
If it is such a stupid ignorant ritual from the middle ages. Why did you bother bringing it up to this thread to begin with when it has nothing to do with drunk Somali girls beating up that English girl? It sounds like it was so significant that you had an agenda in mind to get a particular audience to start bashing a certain group and forget about the purpose of the thread. I retorted toward a defensive manner to criticize your pathetic off topic trolling.

Anyways stop being an ethnocentric attention whore and stick to the topic.

Back to the topic. The judicial system of Britain should be scrutinized and under some serious review and modification.

habibko
12-10-2011, 08:37 PM
If it is such a stupid ignorant ritual from the middle ages. Why did you bother bringing it up to this thread to begin with when it has nothing to do with drunk Somali girls beating up that English girl? It sounds like it was so significant that you had an agenda in mind to get a particular audience to start bashing a certain group and forget about the purpose of the thread. I retorted toward a defensive manner to criticize your pathetic off topic trolling.

Anyways stop being an ethnocentric attention whore and stick to the topic.

Back to the topic. The judicial system of Britain should be scrutinized and under some serious review and modification.

I already said I'm still on topic, offering another reason why religion is a joke

I don't see you running around criticizing everyone for what you think is off topic trolling, clearly that's not why you are crying here, your back still hurts huh :lol:

Sophocles
12-10-2011, 08:49 PM
I blame political correctness. I weep for my country.

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 09:55 PM
if that's how the British civil courts treat them might as well leave them to Islamic judges, at least they would be lashed 80 times each according to Sharia law for drinking



The kicking of a woman in the head would probably not warrant any charges according to Sharia law, just the drinking?

Until I looked at the video I assumed the attackers were men. Surprise!

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 10:04 PM
"A girl gang of Somali Muslims who repeatedly kicked a woman in the head during a drunken attack were spared jail after a judge heard that their religion meant they were not used to drinking."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html

What kind of world are we living in? Beyond stupid. :stupid:

This atheist says the title of your thread should be ''Another reason why Britain is a joke."

Seems the judge said, "Oh, it wasn't a hate crime, that's all right then. Carry on."

vucina
12-10-2011, 10:06 PM
And how far has Britain gone down the shitter when an English woman is beaten in her own country by hostile invaders just for being English and white. Unbelievable but not surprising. Britain has done injustice to other nations that had the courage to defend their countries, and this is the divine punishment. What goes around, comes around.

Topspindoctor
12-11-2011, 01:07 AM
"A girl gang of Somali Muslims who repeatedly kicked a woman in the head during a drunken attack were spared jail after a judge heard that their religion meant they were not used to drinking."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html

What kind of world are we living in? Beyond stupid. :stupid:

Religion was always a joke, especially Islam and their horrific violence towards "infidels", which is making its way into Western world. And with so many soft cock politicians, I wouldn't be surprised if free and democratic countries will adopt Sharia law in the future. If these immigrants want to worship some non-existent deity and some joke prophet, they should stay in their own countries and not try to impose their backward ways upon normal people.

Topspindoctor
12-11-2011, 02:48 AM
Here's another rant: there is a great saying: "When in Rome, do as Romans do".

It's a saying that I always respected. When I lived in Japan and visited Japanese associates, I was expected to take my shoes off when entering their home. I was expected to bring gifts, so I did. I tried my best to master keigo and tried my best to lose the image of the ignorant gaijin who disrespected the local customs, citing ignorance.

I am absolutely disgusted at the people arriving to Australia on good faith and then trying to force their customs and beliefs upon the local population. We shouldn't be forced to tolerate it. We shouldn't be forced to accomodate these violent, backward religions, who are only promoting violence in peaceful, countries like Australia. If you come to us, be ready to follow our laws, our customs, or we don't want you. The levels of political correctness the West has reached is ridiculous. I feel like we are losing our cultural identity. And why? We never invited boatloads of refugees into our country. Yet once we accept them, they bitch about their rights being oppressed. What's next? Sharia law for the West? This is getting ridiculous.

habibko
12-11-2011, 08:22 AM
The kicking of a woman in the head would probably not warrant any charges according to Sharia law, just the drinking?

I said that in jest

Mae
12-11-2011, 11:30 AM
Here's another rant: there is a great saying: "When in Rome, do as Romans do".

It's a saying that I always respected. When I lived in Japan and visited Japanese associates, I was expected to take my shoes off when entering their home. I was expected to bring gifts, so I did. I tried my best to master keigo and tried my best to lose the image of the ignorant gaijin who disrespected the local customs, citing ignorance.

I am absolutely disgusted at the people arriving to Australia on good faith and then trying to force their customs and beliefs upon the local population. We shouldn't be forced to tolerate it. We shouldn't be forced to accomodate these violent, backward religions, who are only promoting violence in peaceful, countries like Australia. If you come to us, be ready to follow our laws, our customs, or we don't want you. The levels of political correctness the West has reached is ridiculous. I feel like we are losing our cultural identity. And why? We never invited boatloads of refugees into our country. Yet once we accept them, they bitch about their rights being oppressed. What's next? Sharia law for the West? This is getting ridiculous.

Wow I didn't know all this was happening in Australia. In the U.S. we are getting mad that when we call a company we are told to press 1 if we want to continue in English! And then those of us that are getting mad are called intolerant :rolleyes: And our government won't make English the National Language to put a stop to all of this now. If I had the money to visit let alone live in another country; I would follow their ways instead of expecting them to follow mine, but that is not the way the world works any more :sad:

tripwires
12-11-2011, 11:36 AM
There is actually no such thing as Islamic law, but of course the Western media which wants only a convenient term to characterise one very extreme interpretation of the Koran doesn't understand this - or more likely, doesn't really give a shit.

Way to go, also, to make this stupid ruling about religion when it's really the judge who made a joke of a ruling.

tripwires
12-11-2011, 11:38 AM
Here's another rant: there is a great saying: "When in Rome, do as Romans do".

It's a saying that I always respected. When I lived in Japan and visited Japanese associates, I was expected to take my shoes off when entering their home. I was expected to bring gifts, so I did. I tried my best to master keigo and tried my best to lose the image of the ignorant gaijin who disrespected the local customs, citing ignorance.

I am absolutely disgusted at the people arriving to Australia on good faith and then trying to force their customs and beliefs upon the local population. We shouldn't be forced to tolerate it. We shouldn't be forced to accomodate these violent, backward religions, who are only promoting violence in peaceful, countries like Australia. If you come to us, be ready to follow our laws, our customs, or we don't want you. The levels of political correctness the West has reached is ridiculous. I feel like we are losing our cultural identity. And why? We never invited boatloads of refugees into our country. Yet once we accept them, they bitch about their rights being oppressed. What's next? Sharia law for the West? This is getting ridiculous.

I respect the first half of your post. The second half is just a bunch of generalising bullshit. I might be more inclined to be sympathetic to your cultural identity being eroded by these backwards and violent immigrants if you actually gave concrete examples.

The last time I visited Australia, those of the same race as me spoke with an Australian accent. Forgive me if I fail to see what you're complaining about.

habibko
12-11-2011, 11:46 AM
There is actually no such thing as Islamic law

:confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

tripwires
12-11-2011, 11:51 AM
:confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

This was what I meant:

Muslims believe sharia is God's law, but they differ as to what exactly it entails.

According to Western media, Islamic law = Taliban's interpretation. That is simply not true. There is no one Islamic law, but many different interpretations. In this sense, the term Islamic law is actually quite meaningless.

habibko
12-11-2011, 12:19 PM
This was what I meant:



According to Western media, Islamic law = Taliban's interpretation. That is simply not true. There is no one Islamic law, but many different interpretations. In this sense, the term Islamic law is actually quite meaningless.

big difference between saying "no such thing as Islamic law" and "no one Islamic law"

no Muslim can deny direct laws such as flogging for adultery or drinking alcohol, amputation for theft etc, some argue about how much proof is needed for its implementation, but once enough proof is presented no Muslim can say "there is no punishment for adultery, drinking or theft according to Islam"

tripwires
12-11-2011, 12:27 PM
big difference between saying "no such thing as Islamic law" and "no one Islamic law"

no Muslim can deny direct laws such as flogging for adultery or drinking alcohol, amputation for theft etc, some argue about how much proof is needed for its implementation, but once enough proof is presented no Muslim can say "there is no punishment for adultery, drinking or theft according to Islam"

Okay, I should have phrased my original post better. :) My problem, though, with the way the phrase "Islamic law" is used in the media is that it implies a fixed interpretation of the rules that applies to Muslims which is a very narrow view of the Islamic legal tradition. I wish they'd say Islamic law instead of Shari'a law too, because the latter phrase is quite inaccurate. But I realise this is just a question of semantics.

peribsen
12-11-2011, 12:38 PM
The kicking of a woman in the head would probably not warrant any charges according to Sharia law, just the drinking?

That is simply not true.

buddyholly
12-11-2011, 01:10 PM
There is actually no such thing as Islamic law, but of course the Western media which wants only a convenient term to characterise one very extreme interpretation of the Koran doesn't understand this - or more likely, doesn't really give a shit.



''Tripwires.'' Good choice of name it seems. You tripped up badly here.

buddyholly
12-11-2011, 01:15 PM
That is simply not true.

It was a question, not a statement. So true or not true is not applicable.

It also was an irreverent reference to habibko's irreverence.

buddyholly
12-11-2011, 01:17 PM
My problem, though, with the way the phrase "Islamic law" is used in the media is that it implies a fixed interpretation of the rules that applies to Muslims which is a very narrow view of the Islamic legal tradition. I wish they'd say Islamic law instead of Shari'a law too, because the latter phrase is quite inaccurate. But I realise this is just a question of semantics.

Still tripping.

habibko
12-11-2011, 01:32 PM
It was a question, not a statement. So true or not true is not applicable.

It also was an irreverent reference to habibko's irreverence.

you talking about irreverence :spit:

no idea how the point of my post escaped your head but I'm not taking the assault against the poor woman lightly, if the British courts aren't competent enough to punish these savages for their actions might as well leave them to the more inhumane Sharia as even that would punish them more appropriately, that's the sarcastic point I made and it doesn't mean that I believe flogging for drinking alcohol is a just punishment or that I think it's more significant than gang assaulting a helpless girl, seems that's too much for you to figure out on your own

tripwires
12-11-2011, 01:34 PM
''Tripwires.'' Good choice of name it seems. You tripped up badly here.

You're so witty. :hearts:

Still tripping.

Care to elaborate?

Oh, is it because my username is TRIPwires?

wee
12-23-2011, 08:20 AM
beyond stupidity, and can only be cured by the end of the world...

swisht4u
12-23-2011, 01:04 PM
The judge is allowing religion to be used as an excuse to hurt people without consequence.

There's nothing special about religion, it's just another set of man made laws but because belief of god's involved it's called religion.

paseo
12-24-2011, 09:36 AM
Dumb judge.

buddyholly
12-24-2011, 03:03 PM
you talking about irreverence :spit:

no idea how the point of my post escaped your head but I'm not taking the assault against the poor woman lightly, if the British courts aren't competent enough to punish these savages for their actions might as well leave them to the more inhumane Sharia as even that would punish them more appropriately, that's the sarcastic point I made and it doesn't mean that I believe flogging for drinking alcohol is a just punishment or that I think it's more significant than gang assaulting a helpless girl, seems that's too much for you to figure out on your own

This one escaped my notice. I knew you were being irreverent, but I was not sure if your statement about Sharia law coming down hard on people who drink, but looking the other way when people beat up women might have some truth.

If I had used the term ''sarcastic'' instead of ''irreverent'' maybe the misunderstanding would not have occurred.

Henry Chinaski
12-24-2011, 04:54 PM
the story is being misinterpreted which isn't surprising because the trashy right win press has deliberately misled people with the headlines (helped by the pussy left wing press pretending the incident never happened)

There is no evidence the judge took the "not used to alcohol" bollocks into account. That was an argument used by the shameless defence team. Good fodder for the press but ultimately irrelevant.

Sapeod
12-24-2011, 06:47 PM
This story doesn't make it more of a joke, or less of a joke. Religion is a joke anyway. Always has, always will be.