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Federer is the oldest player ever to win the Year-End Championships and other stats

NYCtennisfan
11-27-2011, 09:06 PM
Federer is the only player over the age of 30 years of age to win the title. Federer was close to being the oldest player to win the title last year, but Nastase was about three month older than Federer when Nastase won in 1975.

Federer, 30 and 3 months, 2011
Nastase, 29 and 6 months, 1975
Federer, 29 and 3 months, 2010
Davydenko, 28 and 5 months, 2009
Sampras, 28 and 3 months, 1999
Becker, 27 and 11 months, 1995
Orantes, 27 and 9 months, 1976
Lendl, 27 and 8 months, 1987

NYCtennisfan
11-27-2011, 09:06 PM
It was a remarkable win for Federer in many ways. Aside from the fact that it was the 6th season ending title for Federer, it was also his 5th run through the round robin format undefeated.

The year-end championship has been contested 42 times in the Open Era with 38 of tournaments played under the auspices of the round-robin format. Out of those 38 tournaments, 15 tournaments have been won by a player who went undefeated.


Federer: 5 times out of 6 wins
Lendl: 3 times out of 5 wins (other two wins were not in RR format)
Nastase: 2 times out of 3 wins
Vilas: 1 time out of 1 win
Stich: 1 time out of 1 win
Hewitt: 1 time out of 1 win
Borg: 1 time out of 2 wins
McEnroe: 1 time out of 3 wins (other two wins not in RR format)

In addition, Federer has now won 38 matches against top 10 opponents at the YEC (one of the wins was against Nalbandian who was ranked 12th at the time). In the Open Era and since the ranking system began, only 27 players have won 38 or more matches against top 10 players in the span of their entire careers. Only 13 players have a winning record in their careers against top 10 opposition.

NYCtennisfan
11-27-2011, 09:08 PM
1970: Smith: 4-1
1971: Nastase: 5-0
1972: Nastase: 5-0
1973: Nastase: 4-1 29
1974: Vilas: 5-0
1975: Nastase: 4-1
1976: Orantes: 4-1
1977: Connors 4-1
1978: McEnroe: 5-0
1979: Borg: 5-0
1980: Borg: 4-1
1981: Lendl : 5-0
1982: NOT RR
1983: NOT RR
1984: NOT RR
1985: NOT RR
1986: Lendl: 5-0
1987: Lendl: 5-0
1988: Becker: 4-1
1989: Edberg: 4-1
1990: Agassi: 4-1
1991: Sampras: 4-1
1992: Becker: 4-1
1993: Stich: 5-0
1994: Sampras 4-1
1995: Becker: 4-1
1996: Sampras: 4-1
1997: Sampras: 4-1
1998: Corretja: 4-1
1999: Sampras: 4-1
2000: Kuerten: 4-1
2001: Hewitt: 5-0
2002: Hewitt: 4-1
2003: Federer: 5-0
2004: Federer: 5-0
2005: Nalbandian: 4-1
2006: Federer: 5-0
2007: Federer: 4-1
2008: Djokovic: 4-1
2009: Davydenko: 4-1
2010: Federer: 5-0
2011: Federer: 5-0

V.H.
11-27-2011, 09:12 PM
:yeah:

LinkMage
11-27-2011, 09:13 PM
Federer forum :p

magnoliaewan
11-27-2011, 09:19 PM
:worship:

NYCtennisfan
11-27-2011, 09:24 PM
Going undefeated is/was a "young man's" pursuit.

UNDEFEATED RUNS


Federer, 30 and 3 months, 2011
Federer, 29 and 3 months, 2010
Nastase, 28 and 6 months, 1974
Nastase, 27 and 6 months, 1973
Lendl, 27 and 8 months, 1987
Lendl, 26 and 10 months, 1986 (The“Masters,” as it was called then, was played in January of the next year during the ‘70s up to the mid ‘80s.)
Federer, 25 and 3 months, 2006
Stich, 25 and 1 month, 1993
Borg, 23 and 6 months, 1979
Federer, 23 and 3 months, 2004
Federer, 22 and 3 months, 2003
Lendl, 21 and 10 months, 1981
Hewitt, 20 and 9 months, 2001
McEnroe, 19 and 10 months, 1978

samanosuke
11-27-2011, 09:49 PM
now I finally understand why they call him Olderer

samanosuke
11-27-2011, 09:54 PM
Fernando Gonzalez :worship:

Fed was just boring with winning this title undefeated so he wanted to feel how it is to win the title with being defeated once

goal for next year is title with 2 defeats

Pea
11-27-2011, 09:56 PM
Ninja:cool:

Corey Feldman
11-27-2011, 09:57 PM
equalled Lendl the robot for most wins ever on TMC history

top5

1. Fed/Lendl 39
3. Becker 36
4. Samp 34
5. Agassi/Nastatse 22

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Nole/Nadal 9

Crazy Girl
11-27-2011, 09:58 PM
Federer is the only player over the age of 30 years of age to win the title. Federer was close to being the oldest player to win the title last year, but Nastase was about one month older than Federer when Nastase won in 1975.

Federer, 30 and 3 months, 2011 :banana::banana::banana::banana:
Nastase, 29 and 6 months, 1975
Federer, 29 and 3 months, 2010
:worship::worship::worship:Davydenko, 28 and 5 months, 2009:worship::worship::worship:
Sampras, 28 and 3 months, 1999
Becker, 27 and 11 months, 1995
Orantes, 27 and 9 months, 1976
Lendl, 27 and 8 months, 1987


(always remember my Little Niko like Champion of the World 2009) :sad::sad::sad:

samanosuke
11-27-2011, 09:59 PM
(always remember my Little Niko like Champion of the World 2009) :sad::sad::sad:

my little niko :drink: :haha:

Crazy Girl
11-27-2011, 10:00 PM
now I finally understand why they call him Olderer

ahahahahahahah samano!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

Kat_YYZ
11-27-2011, 10:00 PM
Going undefeated is/was a "young man's" pursuit.

UNDEFEATED RUNS


Federer, 30 and 3 months, 2011
Federer, 29 and 3 months, 2010
Nastase, 28 and 6 months, 1974
Nastase, 27 and 6 months, 1973
Lendl, 27 and 8 months, 1987
Lendl, 26 and 10 months, 1986 (The“Masters,” as it was called then, was played in January of the next year during the ‘70s up to the mid ‘80s.)
Federer, 25 and 3 months, 2006
Stich, 25 and 1 month, 1993
Borg, 23 and 6 months, 1979
Federer, 23 and 3 months, 2004
Federer, 22 and 3 months, 2003
Lendl, 21 and 10 months, 1981
Hewitt, 20 and 9 months, 2001
McEnroe, 19 and 10 months, 1978

http://www.restaurant.org.za/images/Invictus-Logo.jpg
unconquered. :cool:

nastoff
11-27-2011, 10:01 PM
That win will cement Federer as the GOAT.

Crazy Girl
11-27-2011, 10:02 PM
my little niko :drink: :haha:

ahahahahahahah!!!! right!!!
what's wrong???
he's 69 (mmmmmhhhhhh:drool:) kilos!!
so...
little!!!

Corey Feldman
11-27-2011, 10:02 PM
Little Denko in his pants

Corey Feldman
11-27-2011, 10:04 PM
other thing about this event is after 46 matches against all top10 players (39-7) Fed has still won a set in all 7 defeats

never been straight setted once in 10 years

Crazy Girl
11-27-2011, 10:05 PM
Little Denko in his pants

he's 22 (certifyed):devil::devil::devil::eek::eek::eek:

DrJules
11-27-2011, 10:08 PM
Amazing that Sampras and Becker never won the event undefeated.

Fuser59
11-27-2011, 10:08 PM
When Olderer is done I WiLL stop watching tennis ...

Corey Feldman
11-27-2011, 10:09 PM
tennis is finished when Fed retires, that is clear

doubt Nieminen will ever reach his potential

TBkeeper
11-27-2011, 10:12 PM
(always remember my Little Niko like Champion of the World 2009) :sad::sad::sad:

Our little Niko :hug: :hug:

NYCtennisfan
11-27-2011, 10:27 PM
other thing about this event is after 46 matches against all top10 players (39-7) Fed has still won a set in all 7 defeats

never been straight setted once in 10 years

This is really an astonishing, astonishing statistic.

Sampras was defeated in straights sets at the YEC 8 times.
Connors 9 times
Agassi 8 times
Becker 7 times
Edberg 7 times
Lendl 6 times
McEnroe 5 times
Borg 4 times
Nastase 1 time

NYCtennisfan
11-27-2011, 10:35 PM
In addition, Federer has now won 38 matches against top 10 opponents at the YEC (one of the wins was against Nalbandian who was ranked 12th at the time).

In the Open Era and since the ranking system began, only 27 players have won 38 or more matches against top 10 players in the span of their entire careers. Only 13 players have a winning record in their careers against top 10 opposition. Winning every other match against a top 10 opponent means you're doing rather well on the ATP tour.

Roamed
11-27-2011, 10:38 PM
other thing about this event is after 46 matches against all top10 players (39-7) Fed has still won a set in all 7 defeats

never been straight setted once in 10 years

:eek: That's incredible. Blimey.

NYCtennisfan
11-27-2011, 10:39 PM
Amazing that Sampras and Becker never won the event undefeated.

I'm not surprised about Becker because he was so up and down from match to match, but it is surprising that Sampras never did so because there were matches during those very same tournaments where Pete looked seemingly invincible.

Becker does have one of the greatest records against top 10 opposition. He is 121-65 against top 10 opponents, the third best winning % in history. Becker's biggest problem was that he lost to lesser players and he did so all the time. His embarrassing losses to Gilbert and many others who were no where near him as far as talent is concerned hurt is overall career.

juninhOH
11-27-2011, 10:53 PM
where do you find statistics for "vs top10"? can you make a ranking with the best players vs top 10?

n8
11-27-2011, 10:55 PM
Amazing that Sampras and Becker never won the event undefeated.

Shows how good Sampras was at winning the more important matches. Nice work NYCtennisfan!

With all the points Federer has earned this month (3000), he could lose every match between now and the start of Basel next year and still probably be ranked top 8.

shotgun
11-27-2011, 11:05 PM
Great stuff grandpa Fed.

sexybeast
11-27-2011, 11:59 PM
Why has no one mentioned he equals Lendl for most wins in the event:

1 Roger Federer 39–7 84.78
= Ivan Lendl 39–10 79.59
3 Boris Becker 36–13 73.47
4 Pete Sampras 35–14 71.43
5 Ilie Năstase 22–3 88.00
6 Andre Agassi 22–20 52.38
7 John McEnroe 19–11 63.33
8 Stefan Edberg 18–14 56.25
= Jimmy Connors 18–18 50.00
10 Björn Borg 16–7 69.57
= Guillermo Vilas16–12 57.14

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-28-2011, 02:30 AM
When Olderer is done I WiLL stop watching tennis ...

co sign

Forehander
11-28-2011, 04:34 AM
too good

thrust
11-28-2011, 12:03 PM
Why has no one mentioned he equals Lendl for most wins in the event:

1 Roger Federer 39–7 84.78
= Ivan Lendl 39–10 79.59
3 Boris Becker 36–13 73.47
4 Pete Sampras 35–14 71.43
5 Ilie Năstase 22–3 88.00
6 Andre Agassi 22–20 52.38
7 John McEnroe 19–11 63.33
8 Stefan Edberg 18–14 56.25
= Jimmy Connors 18–18 50.00
10 Björn Borg 16–7 69.57
= Guillermo Vilas16–12 57.14

As I reall, in 71-72 thee was the WCT finals, which also was played by the top 8 players of those years. Ken Rosewall, born in 34, won both those finals in 4&5 sets. But then he was beating a Mug named Laver. Last year Roger beat and off form Nadal, on Rafa's worst surface and A Djokovic whose mind was on the upcoming Davis Cup. Laver and Rosewall, like Roger,were great on All surfaces. This year Roger also beat Ferrer and Tsonga, fine players, but hardly great players with 0 slams between them. Sampras also had much tougher players, multiple Slam Champions, to defeat in order to win his year end championships.

sexybeast
11-28-2011, 12:40 PM
As I reall, in 71-72 thee was the WCT finals, which also was played by the top 8 players of those years. Ken Rosewall, born in 34, won both those finals in 4&5 sets. But then he was beating a Mug named Laver. Last year Roger beat and off form Nadal, on Rafa's worst surface and A Djokovic whose mind was on the upcoming Davis Cup. Laver and Rosewall, like Roger,were great on All surfaces. This year Roger also beat Ferrer and Tsonga, fine players, but hardly great players with 0 slams between them. Sampras also had much tougher players, multiple Slam Champions, to defeat in order to win his year end championships.

No reason to compete against the old legends on the quality of opposition, that was never my intent. Laver was indeed very much like Roger in his allsurface skills and Rosewall was one hell of a talent.

Records are still records and are worth beeing mentioned. If Roger is the greatest YEC player of all time I cant really decide, those TMCs before the mid 90s were simply better in quality of the field.

atennisfan
11-28-2011, 12:42 PM
As I reall, in 71-72 thee was the WCT finals, which also was played by the top 8 players of those years. Ken Rosewall, born in 34, won both those finals in 4&5 sets. But then he was beating a Mug named Laver. Last year Roger beat and off form Nadal, on Rafa's worst surface and A Djokovic whose mind was on the upcoming Davis Cup. Laver and Rosewall, like Roger,were great on All surfaces. This year Roger also beat Ferrer and Tsonga, fine players, but hardly great players with 0 slams between them. Sampras also had much tougher players, multiple Slam Champions, to defeat in order to win his year end championships.

You forgot that Fed bagelled 10 slams winner healthy Nadal

Ouragan
11-28-2011, 12:54 PM
Shows how good Sampras was at winning the more important matches. Nice work NYCtennisfan!

With all the points Federer has earned this month (3000), he could lose every match between now and the start of Basel next year and still probably be ranked top 8.

Crazy. He could just as well take an 11 month holiday and retire as a bhuddist monk in Tibet or something in the meantime.

Ouragan
11-28-2011, 12:57 PM
As I reall, in 71-72 thee was the WCT finals, which also was played by the top 8 players of those years. Ken Rosewall, born in 34, won both those finals in 4&5 sets. But then he was beating a Mug named Laver. Last year Roger beat and off form Nadal, on Rafa's worst surface and A Djokovic whose mind was on the upcoming Davis Cup. Laver and Rosewall, like Roger,were great on All surfaces. This year Roger also beat Ferrer and Tsonga, fine players, but hardly great players with 0 slams between them. Sampras also had much tougher players, multiple Slam Champions, to defeat in order to win his year end championships.

Once again, if Roger isn't beating multiple slam champs it is become he and Nadal have trusted practially every title from 2005 to 2010. Why is it so hard to understand?

atennisfan
11-28-2011, 01:20 PM
Once again, if Roger isn't beating multiple slam champs it is become he and Nadal have trusted practially every title from 2005 to 2010. Why is it so hard to understand?

THIS.

thrust
11-28-2011, 01:31 PM
Once again, if Roger isn't beating multiple slam champs it is become he and Nadal have trusted practially every title from 2005 to 2010. Why is it so hard to understand?

I know that Roger ia an all-time great, and would be so in every era on every surface. My main point was that Roger is Not the oldest player to win the YEC Championships and is not, necessarily, the GOAT. Arguements for that title can be made for: Laver, Rosewall, Federer, Sampras, Gonzalez and Borg in the modern era. Just below them would be: McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, Agassi, Nadal.