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How many titles will Djokovic defend in 2012?

BigJohn
11-27-2011, 04:55 AM
After a stellar half season, Djokovic has a lot of points to defend. Based on his defending titles history, it is time to get worried if you are a Nole fan and a good time to start making excuses if you are a Noletard.

So how many titles do you think he will be able to defend?

selyoink
11-27-2011, 05:00 AM
I'll go with 4-5 but 2-3 was my initial inclination.

Yolita
11-27-2011, 05:02 AM
I'm not worried, I'm not making excuses and I love Nole. :)

Nobody expects Nole to repeat this stellar season (if you want to call it half season, even better, who has had a better half-season, then? :lol:).

I have been a Nole fan for over 6 years, so this year came as an unexpected and delicious surprise. I would be a Nole fan even if he had won nothing this year. And I will be a Nole fan next year even if he wins nothing.

Having said that, I'll be really happy if he doesn't defend any titles at all, but wins Roland Garros and the Olympic Gold. :devil:

Arkulari
11-27-2011, 05:31 AM
I think he has a good shot to defend all the slow/medium HC events, that's his best surface IMO :)

shiaben
11-27-2011, 05:41 AM
After a stellar half season, Djokovic has a lot of points to defend. Based on his defending titles history, it is time to get worried if you are a Nole fan and a good time to start making excuses if you are a Noletard.

So how many titles do you think he will be able to defend?

Interesting such threads are started by haters such as yourself.

Anyways, I'd say most of them, but the key one to mind which he will not defend is the Australian Open.

Sonja1989
11-27-2011, 11:02 AM
All of them. ;)

Time Violation
11-27-2011, 11:08 AM
As long as he gets RG, I don't care how many he defends ;)

GSMnadal
11-27-2011, 11:14 AM
Dubai
Miami
Belgrade
Montreal

EddieNero
11-27-2011, 11:17 AM
If he continues playing like he did during the indoors season I'll go with 0.
Realistically, Nole might defend AO, IW/Miami(not both), maybe Rome and Montreal.
He definitely won't win at Wimbledon again, US Open title defense is also very doubtful.

MIMIC
11-27-2011, 11:21 AM
None. He will retire for his fans.

GOAT = Fed
11-27-2011, 12:41 PM
I think:

Australian
Indian wells
Miami
Toronto
US Open possibly too.

Saberq
11-27-2011, 12:46 PM
and says who that he wont defend Wimbledon?Who is gonna stop him?

BroTree123
11-27-2011, 12:47 PM
Might defend AO, Dubai, and IW...probably not Miami. Might take Monte Carlo, defend Rome, RG. Don't think so for Madrid, Wimby, Toronto. Might finally win Cincy. Don't think so for US Open.

nole_no1
11-27-2011, 12:48 PM
Australian
USO

He won't defend Wimbledon but he'll win RG

Egreen
11-27-2011, 12:51 PM
He will only defend one of his 3 slams. One of the hc slams.

HC slam(either AO or USO but not both)
Dubai and Serbian open.
2 masters series.

5 titles.

Saberq
11-27-2011, 01:01 PM
I love how some tards here say that by far the most dominant hardcourt player today has no chances for US Open

sicko
11-27-2011, 01:09 PM
13

Most important: RG for Career Grand Slam.

He will go down in history as first man to haven beaten a healthy Nadal on the battlefield of Paris.

Ben.
11-27-2011, 01:10 PM
I would say it would be difficult to even have half the success next year, but who is stopping him? Obviously people were saying the same about Rafa a year ago, when Djokovic wouldn't have been at the top of any lists to do so but the only one who can step up is Murray. Not much hope for those who don't want to see Djokovic's hands on anymore major trophies.

BroTree123
11-27-2011, 01:13 PM
RG's a good bet if he's still maintained the attire and balls to defeat Rafa. Would be nice seeing the top 3 guys have the Career GS. Too bad that it will make Murray even look worse than shit lol.

Start da Game
11-27-2011, 01:28 PM
four titles,

dubai
indian wells
belgrade
us open

Egreen
11-27-2011, 01:40 PM
four titles,

dubai
indian wells
belgrade
us open

Something like that. Add one more of the masters series he won this year and he defends 5.

Gagsquet
11-27-2011, 01:47 PM
The poll is rubbish. I wanted to pick 0 but there's no answer for it so I picked 0-1.

Luinir
11-27-2011, 02:03 PM
Australian Open - He has a good chance if he can get well rest. His best surface and favourite slam.
Dubai - Depends on how much he will care about the tournament.
Indian Wells and Miami - It's obvious that he cannot defend both of them even if he has a good form. 0 or 1 from here.
Belgrade - Easy.
Madrid - Nadal backs and takes his home title.
Rome - Nadal wins once again.
Wimbledon - If Federer shows up he can win. Also Nadal has a really good chance if he's not in slump.
Canada - Can defend this title after long break.
US Open - Can defend this one as well.

So i expect between 4-6.

Saberq
11-27-2011, 02:08 PM
Australian Open - He has a good chance if he can get well rest. His best surface and favourite slam.
Dubai - Depends on how much he will care about the tournament.
Indian Wells and Miami - It's obvious that he cannot defend both of them even if he has a good form. 0 or 1 from here.
Belgrade - Easy.
Madrid - Nadal backs and takes his home title.
Rome - Nadal wins once again.
Wimbledon - If Federer shows up he can win. Also Nadal has a really good chance if he's not in slump.
Canada - Can defend this title after long break.
US Open - Can defend this one as well.

So i expect between 4-6.

tell me why cant he defend IW and Miami even if he is in good form ....who will beat him ?

tennis2tennis
11-27-2011, 02:11 PM
Noles 2012 can go 2 ways

His Aura of invincibility will take him through ala Roger, Sampras and Rafa even when he's not playing his best

He will buckle under the weight of expectation Novak has never successfully defended a grand slam


One thing I'm certain of he won't win 3 majors next year

Nole fan
11-27-2011, 02:14 PM
Interesting such threads are started by haters such as yourself.

Anyways, I'd say most of them, but the key one to mind which he will not defend is the Australian Open.

lol i was going to say that. Interesting that all Djokovic threads are opened by their haters. :lol:

My opinion is that he will defend at least 2 slams and probably win RG, he will also win at least 3 masters.

Nole fan
11-27-2011, 02:15 PM
13

Most important: RG for Career Grand Slam.

He will go down in history as first man to haven beaten a healthy Nadal on the battlefield of Paris.

That could very well be it. Nole is hungry for more and we all have seen how dominant and superior he is to the rest when on form. :cool:

sexybeast
11-27-2011, 02:36 PM
Dubai
IW or Miami
Rome
Montreal
Usopen

Garson007
11-27-2011, 02:42 PM
He'll win anything he enters. :shrug:

Johnny Groove
11-27-2011, 02:47 PM
I think Djoker will win at least 1, possibly 2 slams.

Couple Masters as well, though not as many as this year.

xdrewitdajx
11-27-2011, 02:55 PM
he'll defend 4 or 5 titles, I think.

DrJules
11-27-2011, 02:59 PM
Defend: AO, Dubai, IW, Miami, Serbian Open and Canadian Open
Win (Not won this year): Year end masters.
Could go either way: US Open.
Unlikely to defend: Rome, Madrid and Wimbledon.

Expect Djokovic and Nadal to determine the world number 1 at y.e. championship next year.

fmolinari2005
11-27-2011, 03:03 PM
Defend: AO, Dubai, IW, Miami, Serbian Open and Canadian Open
Win (Not won this year): Year end masters.
Could go either way: US Open.
Unlikely to defend: Rome, Madrid and Wimbledon.

Expect Djokovic and Nadal to determine the world number 1 at y.e. championship next year.

This.

However, the AO will be crucial. It will be the first step to see if what he achieved was "only" a product of an amazing hot streak or if there is something else to it. He doesn't need to win the AO, but if he loses before quarter finals, it might start creating doubts on people's and his mind if what he achieved was, indeed, a product of an uncanny hot streak and not a real change in attitude.

Sapeod
11-27-2011, 03:16 PM
Definitely the Faker Open (Belgrade) and maybe some others, but he won't defend much. It's going to be so funny seeing his points slide down.

Clay Death
11-27-2011, 03:20 PM
i am thinking that he could snatch indian wells, miami masters, and the u.s. open. among a couple of others.

why? well he will be toally in the swing of things by then.

not 100% sure about Oz yet but he is a heavy favorite for it.

BigJohn
11-27-2011, 05:01 PM
The poll is rubbish. I wanted to pick 0 but there's no answer for it so I picked 0-1.

If I had put 0 as an option in the poll, I would have been labelled a hater...

Time Violation
11-27-2011, 05:16 PM
If I had put 0 as an option in the poll, I would have been labelled a hater...

You are a hater anyway. And zero is also a possible option. So, double fail :p

MaxPower
11-27-2011, 06:22 PM
He will only defend one of his 3 slams. One of the hc slams.

HC slam(either AO or USO but not both)
Dubai and Serbian open.
2 masters series.

5 titles.

Something like that yes

SerialKillerToBe
11-27-2011, 06:29 PM
You people might think I'm joking here, but Djokovic will have a more successful year than this year. He will be extra motivated after the embarrassment of fall 2011.

Sapeod
11-27-2011, 06:33 PM
You people might think I'm joking here, but Djokovic will have a more successful year than this year. He will be extra motivated after the embarrassment of fall 2011.
It's embarrassing that you think that.

SerialKillerToBe
11-27-2011, 06:49 PM
It's embarrassing that you think that.

Who will stop him?

Nadal? He is already mentally defeated. He has lost his passion for the game.
Murray? Maybe in a masters tournament
Federer? After blowing a match point in two consecutive US Opens?

The best part is that Nole will have no pressure due to a winning streak or to become number 1, as those things have already been accomplished.

NID
11-27-2011, 06:58 PM
None. He will retire for his fans.

Hear, hear!

helvet empire
11-27-2011, 09:00 PM
Rome

guga2120
11-27-2011, 10:08 PM
He looked at times very weak last fall, and obviously this indoor season he was nowhere near what he was early in the year with his shoulder and back. I think rested, with no Davis cup, he will be fit in Australia and take that again. Healthy he is cleary the best hard court player in the world. I also think he very possibly could take Roland Garros for the first time, granted he does not play too much.

Wimbledon and US Open, wimbledon, especially somebody else is taking. Do not think he will win Rome and both American hard court master titles in the spring.

nsidhan
11-27-2011, 11:04 PM
Belgrade Open fo sho :yeah:

BigJohn
11-27-2011, 11:59 PM
You are a hater anyway. And zero is also a possible option. So, double fail :p

0 is an option...

!VamosRafa!
11-28-2011, 12:54 AM
He will defend Australian Open, Dubai, Indian Wells, Miami,Belgrade, Rome, Toronto and the US Open.
He wont defend Miami and Wimbledon, but he will win Roland Garros and the Olympics.

zlaja777
11-28-2011, 01:51 AM
All except Serbia Open. :D Plus he'll win RG.

stewietennis
11-29-2011, 11:32 PM
If he wins the Australian Open he can roll until the French Open, which I give him 50/50 chance of winning. If he loses in Australia, I think he'll win one or two titles until RG, where I don't think he'll win.

tektonac
11-29-2011, 11:38 PM
None. He will retire for his fans.

this. he is switching his focus to Hollywood.

BigJohn
11-29-2011, 11:39 PM
this. he is switching his focus to Hollywood.

The guy would fit more on Jersey Shore...

EliSter
11-29-2011, 11:53 PM
The guy would fit more on Jersey Shore...

So would most of Fedtards including you clown :wavey:

tektonac
11-30-2011, 12:10 AM
So would most of Fedtards including you clown :wavey:

nah, that's way too intellectual for him.

BigJohn
11-30-2011, 12:39 AM
So would most of Fedtards including you clown :wavey:

nah, that's way too intellectual for him.

Grade school replies...

DrJules
12-26-2011, 07:48 PM
Nearly at the starting point for 2012.

rutinos harcos
12-26-2011, 08:41 PM
The guy would fit more on Jersey Shore...

Oh joy,it's little joanna aka senseless poster again.Next year when Jerk Fed retires do the same. Feeling blue and lonesome on X-mas?Watch USO 2011 SF again,it'll chear you up.You'll see a young gun spanking old man's ass.It's LEGENDARY stuff.

MIMIC
12-26-2011, 11:36 PM
I honestly don't know. He was never much for defending titles. Then again, he was never much for beating Rafa in finals :) If I were forced to guess:

Australian Open: will defend
Dubai: will defend
Indian Wells: won't defend
Miami: will defend
Belgrade: will defend
Madrid: will defend
Rome: won't defend (might skip to prep for RG)
Wimbledon: won't defend
Canada: will defend
U.S. Open: won't defend

So he'll defend 6 in my estimation, as well as pick up additional titles else where (like RG, Cincinnati and perhaps an event during the indoor HC season)

theseth1119
12-26-2011, 11:52 PM
Defending is hard period, guys don't usually defend more than 3-5 events in one year, to defend 6-7 events is really tough (amazing Rogie defended 7 titles in 2005). Also, like stated, Djokovic has never been much of one for defending in the past: only Dubai (2009-2011)and Beijing (2009-2010) so far.

Nole fan
12-27-2011, 01:27 AM
It doesn't matter what he did in the past, this is Novak 2.0. we're talking about. And he said in Abu Dhabi that he will go for the Career Slam. I believe him, no one can touch him these days, he's so much better than the rest of the field. If he's healthy he will just roll over everyone like he did last year.

For a start, he will defend his title in Australia because I'm going to be there to cheer for him incessantly and he feeds on fans. :)

Saberq
12-27-2011, 01:57 AM
It doesn't matter what he did in the past, this is Novak 2.0. we're talking about. And he said in Abu Dhabi that he will go for the Career Slam. I believe him, no one can touch him these days, he's so much better than the rest of the field. If he's healthy he will just roll over everyone like he did last year.

For a start, he will defend his title in Australia because I'm going to be there to cheer for him incessantly and he feeds on fans. :)

Really Nina you are going to AO? cool ..................anyway dont get too cocky about Novak's form ...I didnt see it yet and even at his best you need a shitload of luck to win all 4

Yolita
12-27-2011, 02:01 AM
It doesn't matter what he did in the past, this is Novak 2.0. we're talking about. And he said in Abu Dhabi that he will go for the Career Slam. I believe him, no one can touch him these days, he's so much better than the rest of the field. If he's healthy he will just roll over everyone like he did last year.

For a start, he will defend his title in Australia because I'm going to be there to cheer for him incessantly and he feeds on fans. :)

Lucky you! Cheer for him with all your heart! I hope you get to meet him! His #1 fan! :)

EliSter
12-27-2011, 02:35 AM
Grade school replies...

Says the drama queen of forum :rolleyes:

BigJohn
12-27-2011, 03:52 AM
Says the drama queen of forum :rolleyes:

do you imply those were quality replies?

Matt01
12-27-2011, 02:23 PM
Oh joy,it's little joanna aka senseless poster again.Next year when Jerk Fed retires do the same. Feeling blue and lonesome on X-mas?Watch USO 2011 SF again,it'll chear you up.You'll see a young gun spanking old man's ass.It's LEGENDARY stuff.


:worship:

BigJohn
12-27-2011, 03:56 PM
Oh joy,it's little joanna aka senseless poster again.Next year when Jerk Fed retires do the same. Feeling blue and lonesome on X-mas?Watch USO 2011 SF again,it'll chear you up.You'll see a young gun spanking old man's ass.It's LEGENDARY stuff.

That post you quoted was from 11-29-2011... It's called projection. And for sure you are a double account.

Sham Kay
12-27-2011, 04:12 PM
Everything apart from Belgrade and the rest of the slams. Pretty good I say.

rutinos harcos
12-27-2011, 08:12 PM
That post you quoted was from 11-29-2011... It's called projection. And for sure you are a double account.
What's the matter little joanna,why are you so cranky?Is it that time of the month already?Don't worry,it'll soon pass.Everytime Fedtards read something they don't like on MTF, they immediately accuse people of being a double account.It's hilarious and yet classic Fedtards stuff.little joanna,let me invite you to beautiful Budapest.I'll be your guide and I'll even treat you to Hungarian goulash and palinka.And next year when fake goat retires do the same.It's the right thing to do.

misty1
12-27-2011, 08:37 PM
im going to say 5 or 6

rutinos harcos
12-27-2011, 08:51 PM
It doesn't matter what he did in the past, this is Novak 2.0. we're talking about. And he said in Abu Dhabi that he will go for the Career Slam. I believe him, no one can touch him these days, he's so much better than the rest of the field. If he's healthy he will just roll over everyone like he did last year.

For a start, he will defend his title in Australia because I'm going to be there to cheer for him incessantly and he feeds on fans. :)
Hey Nina,make sure to bring some banner saying ''I'll kick Jelena's ass,Nole is my man'' or
''Sorry Rogie,it was so rude of me to play that DTL forehand on a match point which you didn't understand.Nole'' so that we know it's you.

Yolita
12-27-2011, 08:57 PM
I vote for the second suggestion. :haha:

BigJohn
03-02-2012, 09:15 PM
11 people were over confident and are now wrong.

It was a pretty bold option to vote for considering 1- the absurdity of his 2011 beginning of the season and 2- his abysmal record defending titles.

The season is still young!

NJ88
03-02-2012, 09:21 PM
There's obviously no way he'll get anywhere near repeating his season last year, nobody expects him to and I wouldnt see that as a negative at all. I think he'll defend another one of his slams (probably the US Open), I think he'll get either Miami or Indian Wells, also one of the clay court Masters Events he won. So I'd say he'll defend maybe four or five this year (including the AO). Still think he's going to have another awesome season.

reery
03-02-2012, 09:28 PM
4.
AO(done) USO IW Canada.

rutinos harcos
03-02-2012, 09:30 PM
I'd be more than happy if he defends 3.He defended AO already,now Wimby and USO are left to defend.He didn't win FO last year,but if he manages to do it this year I'd not object.

rocketassist
03-02-2012, 09:42 PM
:worship:

Haha you're terrible. If the poster supports Fed it's a :rolleyes: If it's a Rafa/Noletroll they're heroes. :haha:

Time Violation
03-02-2012, 10:04 PM
11 people were over confident and are now wrong.

It was a pretty bold option to vote for considering 1- the absurdity of his 2011 beginning of the season and 2- his abysmal record defending titles.

Even if he defends every single point till June, then fails to win RG, people will instantly go "Meh..." :) He defended AO for now, so he's doing pretty good so far.

Alex999
03-02-2012, 10:06 PM
He might not repeat 2011, but I think he'll do just fine. all that really matters for Nole atm are slams.

Alex999
03-02-2012, 10:11 PM
Even if he defends every single point till June, then fails to win RG, people will instantly go "Meh..." :) He defended AO for now, so he's doing pretty good so far.
yup. kudos to Murray for def. Nole at Dubai but it's not that important on the big scale. Nole was able to defend his AO title and that's really what matters.

Clay Death
03-02-2012, 10:23 PM
basic fact of life on the tour:

pressure builds and builds and builds with each failed attempt to defend.

now failure to defend indian wells will add a little more pressure.

Matt01
03-03-2012, 12:42 AM
Haha you're terrible. If the poster supports Fed it's a :rolleyes: If it's a Rafa/Noletroll they're heroes. :haha:


Why did you dig out a post from me from last year? Are you stalking me? :eek:

rocketassist
03-03-2012, 01:25 AM
Why did you dig out a post from me from last year? Are you stalking me? :eek:

It's only a few posts above mine!

That guy's been trolling amok in the match thread today too, so I wasn't paying attention to the date.

nalbyfan
03-03-2012, 01:29 PM
He didn't defend Dubai and won't probably won't defend IW + Miami, he will lose one of them. He will defend Belgrade but it's such a small event that it's not too difficult to do that

finishingmove
03-03-2012, 01:41 PM
I'm pretty sure he doesn't look at it as 'defending' or not defending.

His goals are:

1. Win as many grand slams as possible
2. Have most points over 52 weeks.

Time Violation
03-03-2012, 01:54 PM
He didn't defend Dubai and won't probably won't defend IW + Miami, he will lose one of them. He will defend Belgrade but it's such a small event that it's not too difficult to do that

Most likely he's not going to play in Belgrade. He could play in MC where he could gain points, though not sure whether he will appear there this year, probably depends on what he does in IW/Miami.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't look at it as 'defending' or not defending.

His goals are:

1. Win as many grand slams as possible
2. Have most points over 52 weeks.

Spot on :)

tennisphilia
03-03-2012, 02:25 PM
I am 100% sure he's not defending DUBAI.
I think he won't defend for MARCH titles - Miami and Indian Wells.
And also some of the clay court master titles.

BigJohn
03-17-2012, 09:58 PM
Another title defense fail.


No Dubai, no IW...

MIMIC
04-01-2012, 08:56 PM
Another title defense fail.


No Dubai, no IW...

Why didn't you bump for Melbourne or Miami? :scratch:

Instead, you bumped it for Dubai. DUBAI :spit:

viruzzz
04-01-2012, 09:01 PM
Ummm... After watching Djokovic's level, I don't see him so powerful as he was in 2011.
However, he'll probably defend one clay masters, and (If he makes a BIG run) the USOpen (But I personally don't think he'll win USO this year, however, he's a big favorite).
He could win Cincy and Shanghai if he's fit.

Sure no wimbledon.

Johnny Iznrr
04-01-2012, 09:07 PM
Djokovic is no where near his 2011 level. Murray is crap though, so is Nadal and he still has a mental block against Nole, and Olderer is too old to win back to back titles, so Djokovic will continue to defend titles at a low level as long as Olderer is missing. I expect him to defend one of his clay titles and fail to defend Wimbledon and the USO.

BigJohn
04-01-2012, 09:20 PM
Why didn't you bump for Melbourne or Miami? :scratch:

Instead, you bumped it for Dubai. DUBAI :spit:

I'm not obsessed about Nole.

There are still a few titles to defend, so there was no rush. But to please you, here's an update:

Australian Open: defended

Dubai: failed to defend

Indian Wells: Failed to defend

Miami: defended


So a 50% success rate so far. If the trend continues, he's looking at a 5 tournaments defended.

Happy with this update?

MIMIC
04-01-2012, 09:35 PM
I'm not obsessed about Nole.

There are still a few titles to defend, so there was no rush. But to please you, here's an update:

Australian Open: defended

Dubai: failed to defend

Indian Wells: Failed to defend

Miami: defended


So a 50% success rate so far. If the trend continues, he's looking at a 5 tournaments defended.

Happy with this update?

Of course there was no rush. He DEFENDED them, much to your displeasure :lol:

I look forward to your immediate bump upon Novak's next unsuccessful title defense :yeah:

Mr. Oracle
04-01-2012, 10:56 PM
One of the few smart things roger has said is "it's all about the slams." At least for the top players that is. Balancing the grueling tour, pacing oneself, knowing when to kind of tank, and peaking for slams is the paradigm of the top 3 (nadal excluded lol). On the other hand, I'm sure novak will not want to throw away points, but neither will he feel the same urgency to defend everything as his uber-fans do. In short, his masters record this year should not be an indicator of anything.

Nole fan
04-01-2012, 11:56 PM
One of the few smart things roger has said is "it's all about the slams." At least for the top players that is. Balancing the grueling tour, pacing oneself, knowing when to kind of tank, and peaking for slams is the paradigm of the top 3 (nadal excluded lol). On the other hand, I'm sure novak will not want to throw away points, but neither will he feel the same urgency to defend everything as his uber-fans do. In short, his masters record this year should not be an indicator of anything.

I agree.
Even Vajda conceded in an interview that all Nole cared about this year was RG. He said he's obsessed with it... :lol:

BigJohn
04-02-2012, 12:08 AM
Of course there was no rush. He DEFENDED them, much to your displeasure :lol:

I look forward to your immediate bump upon Novak's next unsuccessful title defense :yeah:

Frankly, I kind of expected a Noletard to do that on my behalf...

Mr. Oracle
04-02-2012, 03:36 AM
I agree.
Even Vajda conceded in an interview that all Nole cared about this year was RG. He said he's obsessed with it... :lol:

Thanks for that info!

Was that you in the stands today hoisting the Serbian flag? I thought there was a resemblance lol!

Nole fan
04-02-2012, 05:23 PM
Thanks for that info!

Was that you in the stands today hoisting the Serbian flag? I thought there was a resemblance lol!

No, it wasn't me. :lol:

masterclass
05-23-2012, 11:18 AM
Thread Update and an attempt at perspective regarding the topic. If you are not interested in perspective, just skip down to the UPDATE ;)

What is the significance of successfully defending one's titles, especially when there are many to defend?

There are those that dismiss the notion of successful defense of titles, saying it doesn't really matter, and the player just has to win what they can and do as well as they can, because it's difficult to repeat. And there are those that emphasize successful defense of titles because it matters in terms of holding onto one's rankings points. There are those that say only defending the most important tournaments matters - majors, masters, or an individual's best tournaments or surfaces. There are those who say that as long as one wins other tournaments then it doesn't matter if they successfully defend or not.

So which is it? Answer: It's a bit of everything. Some matter more than others, depending on the context of one's outlook.

It's obviously easier successfully defending a particular title or two, than a host of titles, especially when one has had a stellar year and won more than 7 or 8 titles the year before. In general, the more important a tournament is, the harder it is to win and therefore successfully defend. But perhaps overriding that, a particular tournament can be easier to win or defend where a player has shown domination, usually because of the playing conditions.

In the context of a player's ranking:

Because of the current 52 week rolling ranking system, it is obviously extremely important to successfully defend as many titles as one can when one has won so many during a year, if one wants to retain their higher ranking. And it is obviously more critical to defend the most important (in terms of ranking points) tournaments. When the point difference between winning and runner-up, and so on down the line, is more significant, the importance of successfully defending becomes more important. Since the most recent changes to point allocation, in 2008-2009, the difference in points between the top placements has become greater, and thus I believe it has become much more difficult to hold onto the #1 ranking in the following year as one has to successfully defend a high majority of tournaments. Instead we have tended to see a rotating cycle, where a player gets to #1, holds it for close to a year, then loses it, then has a chance to retake it the next year as long as they are still playing near the same level.

Oddly enough, it may be easier to keep one's #1 ranking if one doesn't have a stellar year to gain #1.:shrug: One doesn't have to defend as many tournaments, and one can win or place high in other equivalent tournaments. But when one has done so well as Mr. Djokovic did, it's difficult to hold one's ranking unless one successfully defends most of their titles, since there are not as many equivalent tournaments to win.

Ok, enough perspective (many would say too much :) :shrug: :cool:).
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UPDATE:
Here are how the top 3 (slightly off topic :)) are doing so far in defense of their titles:

Current World #1 Novak Djokovic's 2012 title defense so far: (2 of 7) 3 remaining (Wimbledon (major-2000), Canada (Masters 1000, US Open (major-2000) )

Succeeded defending:
Australian Open (major - 2000) - Defeated Nadal
Miami (Masters 1000) - Defeated Murray

Unsuccessful defending:
Dubai (500) - SF Loss to Murray, title won by Federer
Indian Wells (Masters 1000)- SF Loss to Isner, title won by Federer
Belgrade (250)- Did not play, title won by Seppi
Madrid (Masters 1000) - QF Loss to Tipsarevic, title won by Federer
Rome (Masters 1000) - Final Loss to Nadal, title won by Nadal

Novak Djokovic started off the year well, successfully defending the Australian Open, but that marathon final might have cost him and Nadal more success at some of the successive tournaments. Djokovic did gain points by playing in the final at Monte-Carlo to help offset some of his title defense losses (especially in the masters), but now his #1 ranking is potentially in trouble.

Djokovic must do well at Roland Garros (a win or least final) to make up for the rest of his title defense losses, if he is to give himself a good chance of holding onto his #1 ranking post Wimbledon, as another win at Wimbledon will be difficult (he has shown no domination there, yet). Then he will have Canada and the US Open to defend (maybe his best chance at a second major). I think his performance the rest of the year will hinge on how well he paces himself. Good scheduling will be essential to have any hope of taking his second WTF title.
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Current World #2 Rafael Nadal's 2012 title defense so far: (2 of 2) 1 remaining (Roland Garros (major 2000) )

Succeeded defending:
Monte-Carlo Masters 1000 - Defeated Djokovic
Barcelona (500) - Defeated Ferrer

Unsuccessful defending:
None so far.

Rafael Nadal has overcome his early disappointment and huge effort in the Australian Open and departures in Indian Wells and Miami by arriving on his beloved clay, and has successfully defended 2 of his titles (ones which he has dominated). But perhaps more importantly for him, he beat Djokovic twice and wrested the Rome title away from him.

Now Nadal begins defense of his last and most important title - Roland Garros. After that, he has no more titles to defend but does have 2 major finals - Wimbledon and the US Open, plus a 500, Tokyo, to defend. A Roland Garros win could put him in position to take world #1 if he could win at Wimbledon, and Djokovic and Federer fall earlier than the final. As with Djokovic, Nadal must schedule well to do well in the latter part of the year.
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Current World #3 Roger Federer 2012 title defense so far: (0 of 1) 3 remaining (Basel (500), BNP Paribas Paris Masters 1000, WTF (1500) )

Succeeded defending:
None so far.

Unsuccessful defending:
Doha (250)

Roger Federer hasn't had much to defend in 2012 so far because he didn't have great results in the first 3/4 of 2011.
But he has made up for that this year. He now has 4 titles before Roland Garros, something that he hasn't done since 2006.
He's rolled back the years with superb scheduling, taking extended time off when necessary, and put in the hard work on aspects of the game he can control the most, in particular his service games, and I think fitness(2 masters) and footwork(Madrid). In the rare case in 2012 where his service has been well below normal, he will have trouble, such as in Rome facing Djokovic.

Roland Garros will be a big test for Mr. Federer as he has final's points to defend there. Still, it wouldn't be a disaster for him to only make the semifinal there. He would lose 480 points, but he could leave the clay and start preparing for the critical grass season and play Halle followed by the Wimbledon Championships and Olympics at Wimbledon. If he makes it to the final at Roland Garros, he might have to skip Halle. In any case, by taking 6 weeks off between Miami and Madrid, he has evidently scheduled himself to peak at Wimbledon and have something left for the US Open. He only has QF points to defend at the Wimbledon championships, so a return to the final there would give him a big swing in points, and it is likely a win there would vault him to #1 as long as he doesn't exit too early at Roland Garros.

For the rest of the year, he defends his indoor tournaments, his home tournament, the Paris Masters and the WTF. To do well, I think he'll need an extended break similar to last year by skipping Shanghai. That will be made easier if he can get a better result at the US Open.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Nole fan
05-23-2012, 11:34 AM
Well, I think it's much easier for Federer and Nadal to defend their scarce titles than Novak who has to defend 7! including 3 slams.But I think he's on the right track. If he wins RG he'll end up the year as number 1.

Roger the Dodger
05-23-2012, 11:47 AM
@masterclass:

I am interested in Roger's scheduling skills after RG. If he does get to the semis, and not finals, since he would be losing 480 pts, it might be worth it to play Halle - a tournament in which he has traditionally done very well, but for the unexpected blip against Hewitt. But now that he's 'Olderer', lets see how Wogie fixes his brew. Lets not forget, he is officially "Quarterer at Wimbledon since 2010. Halle might be worth it.

masterclass
05-23-2012, 01:06 PM
@masterclass:

I am interested in Roger's scheduling skills after RG. If he does get to the semis, and not finals, since he would be losing 480 pts, it might be worth it to play Halle - a tournament in which he has traditionally done very well, but for the unexpected blip against Hewitt. But now that he's 'Olderer', lets see how Wogie fixes his brew. Lets not forget, he is officially "Quarterer at Wimbledon since 2010. Halle might be worth it.

Definitely agree Roger.;) If finals at RG he probably skips Halle(unless he is just feeling super), and semis he probably plays at Halle (unless something is bothering him).

Other key scheduling decisions for him:

Post Wimbledon: If he goes out earlier than the finals, I suspect he may try to find some tournament in the 3 week interval to the Olympics. However, based on his play so far, I have a feeling he will make the finals this year.

If he does very well at the Olympics, he might skip Toronto and use Cincinnati as his lone prep to the US Open.

Post US Open: If he goes deep as expected at the US Open, I think he might skip Shanghai and give himself an extended break to Basel like last year.

BNP Paribas Paris-Bercy - this year, WTF is scheduled to begin the next day after the Paris-Bercy final. This will probably be a play as needed situation. He can skip 2 mandatory masters this year without penalty.

I'm especially curious as to how Mr. Djokovic and Mr. Nadal change their scheduling for this year if at all. Last 1/4 of the year was obviously not good for both, but understandable given them going deep in almost every tournament in the first 3/4. I feel that Mr. Djokovic will have much more left this year and be a contender at some of the fall events and WTF. I also think the WTF is the one tournament Nadal wants to win before retiring.

Respectfully,
masterclass

masterclass
05-23-2012, 01:56 PM
Well, I think it's much easier for Federer and Nadal to defend their scarce titles than Novak who has to defend 7! including 3 slams.But I think he's on the right track. If he wins RG he'll end up the year as number 1.

Miss Nole Fan, I think it's granted that Mr. Djokovic's title defense task was the most difficult after his fantastic Jan-Sept last year. ;)
He doesn't defend RG, so RG is the only major where he can gain points. He has more to lose by not successfully defending the other majors, especially if Mr. Federer can win 1 or 2 of them.

But anyway, this is all so much conjecture, if this, if that. Anything can happen. There is a lot to come in the next few months and we also don't know what the psychological and physical effect will be on the players as they win or lose. After Rome, Djokovic might be a broken man in terms of Nadal at Roland Garros. Or he might fight twice as hard. Who knows? It has to be played out.

This topic is about how many titles Djokovic will defend successfully in 2012. At most now, he can successfully defend 2 to 5 of the total of 10. I'll be optimistic from his point of view and give him 3 (1 of the majors) :). 30% successful defense rate is not great, but not bad, especially if it includes 2 majors. He's done much better in Montreal than Toronto, so I doubt Toronto will go into his successful column. But he could obviously win a masters somewhere else to make up for that.

Respectfully,
masterclass

masterclass
05-23-2012, 02:24 PM
I'll go with 4-5 but 2-3 was my initial inclination.

Almost 6 months after your prediction, all of these are still possible. Well done selyoink. :worship:

Respectfully,
masterclass

Looner
05-23-2012, 02:34 PM
I also voted for 4-5 and that seems plausible right now. If he wins 7-8 to remain at #1, some of them may be "new".

duarte_a
05-23-2012, 03:17 PM
Definitely agree Roger.;) If finals at RG he probably skips Halle(unless he is just feeling super), and semis he probably plays at Halle (unless something is bothering him).

Other key scheduling decisions for him:

Post Wimbledon: If he goes out earlier than the finals, I suspect he may try to find some tournament in the 3 week interval to the Olympics. However, based on his play so far, I have a feeling he will make the finals this year.

If he does very well at the Olympics, he might skip Toronto and use Cincinnati as his lone prep to the US Open.

Post US Open: If he goes deep as expected at the US Open, I think he might skip Shanghai and give himself an extended break to Basel like last year.

BNP Paribas Paris-Bercy - this year, WTF is scheduled to begin the next day after the Paris-Bercy final. This will probably be a play as needed situation. He can skip 2 mandatory masters this year without penalty.

I'm especially curious as to how Mr. Djokovic and Mr. Nadal change their scheduling for this year if at all. Last 1/4 of the year was obviously not good for both, but understandable given them going deep in almost every tournament in the first 3/4. I feel that Mr. Djokovic will have much more left this year and be a contender at some of the fall events and WTF. I also think the WTF is the one tournament Nadal wants to win before retiring.

Respectfully,
masterclass

What do you think will Roger do if he goes deep in the US Open but still isn't enough for #1. If he has a shot to get to #1 in Shanghai do you think Roger will play it?

masterclass
05-23-2012, 04:01 PM
What do you think will Roger do if he goes deep in the US Open but still isn't enough for #1. If he has a shot to get to #1 in Shanghai do you think Roger will play it?

Kind of off topic in this thread, but my bad :o
Tough to predict at this time duarte. It may be a moot point by then. I'm one of those in the camp of if it is going to happen, it will happen at Wimbledon (Championships/Olympics). If by some chance he doesn't do it at Wimbledon and the US Open, but still has a chance at Shanghai, then perhaps he should skip Davis Cup and play Shanghai. But it will probably depend on how his body feels, how tired he is physically and mentally after the long campaign from Madrid to the US Open. He typically wants to have something left for the end of year tourneys, and has usually placed his health and title wins above rankings chasing.

Respectfully,
masterclass

abraxas21
05-23-2012, 04:04 PM
four titles,

dubai
indian wells
belgrade
us open

stg's kiss of death :worship:

abraxas21
05-23-2012, 04:06 PM
It doesn't matter what he did in the past, this is Novak 2.0. we're talking about. And he said in Abu Dhabi that he will go for the Career Slam. I believe him, no one can touch him these days, he's so much better than the rest of the field. If he's healthy he will just roll over everyone like he did last year.

:yeah: spoken like a true tard

r2473
05-23-2012, 04:55 PM
One of the few smart things roger has said is "it's all about the slams." At least for the top players that is. Balancing the grueling tour, pacing oneself, knowing when to kind of tank, and peaking for slams is the paradigm of the top 3 (nadal excluded lol). On the other hand, I'm sure novak will not want to throw away points, but neither will he feel the same urgency to defend everything as his uber-fans do. In short, his masters record this year should not be an indicator of anything.

This is my thought on Djokovic too. I think beating Fed (easily) in Rome was important. The surface is pretty similar to RG.

I certainly wouldn't say Djokovic tanked Rome. Nothing of the sort. But I'm not sure he gave it 100% "I'll die on the court before I lose" type effort like in the Australian Open.

Beating Rafa on slow clay is always going to be hard and require tons of energy. Looked like he was giving about 85%-90% in Rome, but remembering that RG was only a week away. And obviously the career slam, holding all the slams at the same time, beating Rafa at RG......all way more important than a Rome title (or Monte Carlo for that matter).

I think its a pretty good sign that he can get to the finals of Masters 1000 events without putting forth his "very best" effort.

In short, I think Djokovic is exactly where he wants to be going into RG (Wimbledon and the Olympics). All of which I expect him to win (sorry Roger :sad:).

Well.....on second thought, he might not win RG. The margins between him and Nadal are SO SMALL on clay. It's really a pick-em.

I do think he is happy Nadal is #2 instead of #3. He can beat Roger in the semis and then beat Rafa in the final. Don't think he could beat Rafa in the semis and then beat Roger in the final. The battle against Rafa will leave them both with very little energy left in the tank. Very glad the seeding has worked out this way. Too bad for Roger. He could have maybe faced a depleted Rafa in the RG final and got his revenge for all those losses.

Mountaindewslave
05-23-2012, 04:58 PM
This is my thought on Djokovic too. I think beating Fed (easily) in Rome was important. The surface is pretty similar to RG.

I certainly wouldn't say Djokovic tanked Rome. Nothing of the sort. But I'm not sure he gave it 100% "I'll die on the court before I lose" type effort like in the Australian Open.

Beating Rafa on slow clay is always going to be hard and require tons of energy. Looked like he was giving about 85%-90% in Rome, but remembering that RG was only a week away. And obviously the career slam, holding all the slams at the same time, beating Rafa at RG......all way more important than a Rome title (or Monte Carlo for that matter).

I think its a pretty good sign that he can get to the finals of Masters 1000 events without putting forth his "very best" effort.

In short, I think Djokovic is exactly where he wants to be going into RG (Wimbledon and the Olympics). All of which I expect him to win (sorry Roger :sad:).

Well.....on second thought, he might not win RG. The margins between him and Nadal are SO SMALL on clay. It's really a pick-em.

the margins aren't that small, it can be Monte Carlo or it can be Rome with the two of them, but either way Nadal is the better clay court player against DJokovic

r2473
05-23-2012, 05:04 PM
the margins aren't that small, it can be Monte Carlo or it can be Rome with the two of them, but either way Nadal is the better clay court player against DJokovic

Maybe you're right. This assumes Djokovic was giving 100% (like at AO) in both of those clay court finals. I don't think this was true.

Watching some of the rallies at Rome, I felt when Djokovic was 100% locked down into the rallies, he could hold his own. In fact, I thought he had the advantage.

It's all speculation, but I see Djokovic and Nadal as pretty dead even on slow clay at this point. As important as RG is to Djokovic, we will for sure see if this is true if they both make it to the final. RG is what Djokovic cares most about this year, so he will be going 100% "I'll die on the court before I lose".

Set your DVR to record for about an 8-hour final.

Fireballer
05-23-2012, 05:12 PM
the margins aren't that small, it can be Monte Carlo or it can be Rome with the two of them, but either way Nadal is the better clay court player against DJokovic

no shit?But being better doesnt mean he will win.They are close very close.IF Nadal is at 100% he will win but if not and Djoker is at 100% he will win

Nole fan
05-23-2012, 05:14 PM
This is my thought on Djokovic too. I think beating Fed (easily) in Rome was important. The surface is pretty similar to RG.

I certainly wouldn't say Djokovic tanked Rome. Nothing of the sort. But I'm not sure he gave it 100% "I'll die on the court before I lose" type effort like in the Australian Open.

Beating Rafa on slow clay is always going to be hard and require tons of energy. Looked like he was giving about 85%-90% in Rome, but remembering that RG was only a week away. And obviously the career slam, holding all the slams at the same time, beating Rafa at RG......all way more important than a Rome title (or Monte Carlo for that matter).

I think its a pretty good sign that he can get to the finals of Masters 1000 events without putting forth his "very best" effort.

In short, I think Djokovic is exactly where he wants to be going into RG (Wimbledon and the Olympics). All of which I expect him to win (sorry Roger :sad:).

Well.....on second thought, he might not win RG. The margins between him and Nadal are SO SMALL on clay. It's really a pick-em.

I do think he is happy Nadal is #2 instead of #3. He can beat Roger in the semis and then beat Rafa in the final. Don't think he could beat Rafa in the semis and then beat Roger in the final. The battle against Rafa will leave them both with very little energy left in the tank. Very glad the seeding has worked out this way. Too bad for Roger. He could have maybe faced a depleted Rafa in the RG final and got his revenge for all those losses.

Spot on, I believe that too. You speak nothing but the truth.

heya
05-23-2012, 06:37 PM
true that novak was gliding around, relaxed and sometimes nonchalant with serves and power hitting levels ever since dubai. he was carefree with big points. nadal and federer were the opposite. they were desperate to win and celebrate every match win. novak had a terrible last 6 months. nadal and fed had no personal and stressful events.

Roger the Dodger
05-23-2012, 06:41 PM
Definitely agree Roger.;) If finals at RG he probably skips Halle(unless he is just feeling super), and semis he probably plays at Halle (unless something is bothering him).

Other key scheduling decisions for him:

Post Wimbledon: If he goes out earlier than the finals, I suspect he may try to find some tournament in the 3 week interval to the Olympics. However, based on his play so far, I have a feeling he will make the finals this year.

If he does very well at the Olympics, he might skip Toronto and use Cincinnati as his lone prep to the US Open.

Post US Open: If he goes deep as expected at the US Open, I think he might skip Shanghai and give himself an extended break to Basel like last year.

BNP Paribas Paris-Bercy - this year, WTF is scheduled to begin the next day after the Paris-Bercy final. This will probably be a play as needed situation. He can skip 2 mandatory masters this year without penalty.

For sure, there are two masters he might skip this year: Canada and Bercy. Shanghai, he just might play given he'd at least want to play one of the MS before WTF. We'll have to see.


I'm especially curious as to how Mr. Djokovic and Mr. Nadal change their scheduling for this year if at all. Last 1/4 of the year was obviously not good for both, but understandable given them going deep in almost every tournament in the first 3/4. I feel that Mr. Djokovic will have much more left this year and be a contender at some of the fall events and WTF. I also think the WTF is the one tournament Nadal wants to win before retiring.


I seriously doubt players like Nadal reducing too much tournament play given he needs some practice to keep going. So, he'd at least play two tournaments - maybe small ones between USO and WTF. As for Canada, if all top four players make it to the last four at Olympics, I am sure, two of them will tank early in Canada. Might be irrelevant after the Olympics high.

Mountaindewslave
05-23-2012, 07:17 PM
no shit?But being better doesnt mean he will win.They are close very close.IF Nadal is at 100% he will win but if not and Djoker is at 100% he will win

it's an irrelevant point you just made though. if Nadal is playing subpar and practically ANY player is at "100%" then he can lose. players don't play at 100% almost EVER.

the point is that if Djokovic and Nadal play one another when both are at their best on clay, Novak cannot win. he has never beaten Nadal on clay when Nadal was playing his best. Last season is a testament to this, Rafael was not playing that superbly on clay in 2011 and thus lost.

however if you consider that Nadal is in great form this year on clay it is unrealistic to say that novak/nadal clay matches can go either way. what is Nadal against Djokovic on clay? 9-2 match wise or something? 4-0 sets against him this year? and no one in the history of his career has a positive H2H against Nadal on clay?

it is just false to say that if they meet in Roland Garros the odds are even, Nadal is the huge favorite against Djokovic in a best of 3 tournament on clay, but furthermore is an even bigger favorite to win against him on best of 5. it's cliche at this point and almost sounds like a cop out, but the truth is the only way to beat Nadal at ROland Garros is if he is injured, i.e. Soderling 2009. it's the one tournament along with Monte Carlo where this applies

Mountaindewslave
05-23-2012, 07:19 PM
true that novak was gliding around, relaxed and sometimes nonchalant with serves and power hitting levels ever since dubai. he was carefree with big points. nadal and federer were the opposite. they were desperate to win and celebrate every match win. novak had a terrible last 6 months. nadal and fed had no personal and stressful events.

get real? do you know how many players on tour lose loved ones that no one hears about? it was NOvaks grandpa who was at an old age, not his middle aged parents that passed away. no real big shock, and you are entirely delusional if you think Novak's loss of a grandparent in any way serves as big a distraction as Federer being a parents of twins. get real man

Mountaindewslave
05-23-2012, 07:22 PM
Maybe you're right. This assumes Djokovic was giving 100% (like at AO) in both of those clay court finals. I don't think this was true.

Watching some of the rallies at Rome, I felt when Djokovic was 100% locked down into the rallies, he could hold his own. In fact, I thought he had the advantage.

It's all speculation, but I see Djokovic and Nadal as pretty dead even on slow clay at this point. As important as RG is to Djokovic, we will for sure see if this is true if they both make it to the final. RG is what Djokovic cares most about this year, so he will be going 100% "I'll die on the court before I lose".

Set your DVR to record for about an 8-hour final.

I watched the Rome final and it looked like he was trying VERY hard. he was getting very frusturated and they may have deterred NOvak, but all the same he tried. Monte Carlo it was clear he didn't give it his all or couldn't because of stress, but if Rome showed anything it was that Novak is not as patient as he was last year and also that Nadal is playing better on clay in 2012 than he did in 2011.

how can you say that Djokovic is as good as Nadal on slow clay after ROme? Nadal played exactly the match he likes, defend defend defend, obviously in certain points it looked like Novak had control because he was the aggressor but if you understand Nadal's game that is exactly what he wants. players to go all out in points until they miss or for players to feel like they have control of a point when suddenly he loops a down the line past them

you might be right, I can't predict the future, but if they meet at Roland Garros I do not think Novak stands a chance.

r2473
05-23-2012, 07:50 PM
Well, we only have to wait a few weeks to see how it all unfolds.

I think it will be a damn fun tournament to watch.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if either Nadal or Djokovic wins. I'd be shocked if anyone else does.

Greatness
05-23-2012, 08:12 PM
I expect him to defend some of the hardcourt masters and 2 of 3 slams, AO and USO. He's not likely to defend Wimbledon but I think he'll win RG.

Roger the Dodger
05-23-2012, 08:18 PM
I'd be shocked if anyone else does.

:)

Moose Limb
05-23-2012, 10:59 PM
This is my thought on Djokovic too. I think beating Fed (easily) in Rome was important. The surface is pretty similar to RG.

I certainly wouldn't say Djokovic tanked Rome. Nothing of the sort. But I'm not sure he gave it 100% "I'll die on the court before I lose" type effort like in the Australian Open.

Beating Rafa on slow clay is always going to be hard and require tons of energy. Looked like he was giving about 85%-90% in Rome, but remembering that RG was only a week away. And obviously the career slam, holding all the slams at the same time, beating Rafa at RG......all way more important than a Rome title (or Monte Carlo for that matter).

I think its a pretty good sign that he can get to the finals of Masters 1000 events without putting forth his "very best" effort.

In short, I think Djokovic is exactly where he wants to be going into RG (Wimbledon and the Olympics). All of which I expect him to win (sorry Roger :sad:).

Well.....on second thought, he might not win RG. The margins between him and Nadal are SO SMALL on clay. It's really a pick-em.

I do think he is happy Nadal is #2 instead of #3. He can beat Roger in the semis and then beat Rafa in the final. Don't think he could beat Rafa in the semis and then beat Roger in the final. The battle against Rafa will leave them both with very little energy left in the tank. Very glad the seeding has worked out this way. Too bad for Roger. He could have maybe faced a depleted Rafa in the RG final and got his revenge for all those losses.


Fully concurred.

Will be in the states soon and thinking about throwing much monies down on the Djoker victory at RG.

Moose Limb
05-23-2012, 11:08 PM
get real? do you know how many players on tour lose loved ones that no one hears about? it was NOvaks grandpa who was at an old age, not his middle aged parents that passed away. no real big shock, and you are entirely delusional if you think Novak's loss of a grandparent in any way serves as big a distraction as Federer being a parents of twins. get real man

I have been noticing a pattern with your posts. You are clueless my friend...more often than not.

Don't want to get in a big tangle with you, so will just tell you to watch the recent American program 60 Minutes that featured Djokovic.

What a laughable post. Comical. Farcical, in fact.

heya
05-23-2012, 11:50 PM
rogi trolls need help

reery
05-24-2012, 03:10 AM
4.
AO(done) USO IW Canada.



Just HC titles for Djoko this year? Could happen.

His next title could be Canada masters.

masterclass
05-24-2012, 09:08 AM
Just HC titles for Djoko this year? Could happen.

His next title could be Canada masters.

...As for Canada, if all top four players make it to the last four at Olympics, I am sure, two of them will tank early in Canada. Might be irrelevant after the Olympics high.

Mr. Reery. Tough to say at this point. I think we will have to reassess the situation after the Olympics. Roger could be right.

Besides in Canada, Djokovic's historic results have been significantly better in Montreal than Toronto, and Toronto has it this year.
Montreal - 3 played: 2 wins and a QF. In 2007, he consecutively beat #3 Roddick, #2 Nadal, and #1 Federer. Roddick got his revenge in the 2009 QF. Djokovic won in 2011 against Fish.

Toronto - 2 played: A 2008 QF loss to Andy Murray and a 2010 SF loss to Federer.

Respectfully,
masterclass

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 05:34 AM
So far the total is at 3, with only one tournament to defend: the USO.

Considering his ability to defend titles, it looks like it could be only 3.

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 05:40 AM
and says who that he wont defend Wimbledon?Who is gonna stop him?

:angel:

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 05:44 AM
You people might think I'm joking here, but Djokovic will have a more successful year than this year. He will be extra motivated after the embarrassment of fall 2011.

You're pretty much Nostradamus.

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 05:45 AM
Who will stop him?

Nadal? He is already mentally defeated. He has lost his passion for the game.
Murray? Maybe in a masters tournament
Federer? After blowing a match point in two consecutive US Opens?

The best part is that Nole will have no pressure due to a winning streak or to become number 1, as those things have already been accomplished.

The 3 of them actually did it.

Radalek
08-13-2012, 01:06 PM
So far the total is at 3, with only one tournament to defend: the USO.

Considering his ability to defend titles, it looks like it could be only 3.

The hate must flow...

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 03:29 PM
The hate must flow...

How is stating facts hating?

Is he at 3 at the moment? Yes he is.

Is the max he can do 4? Yes it is.

Is he good at defending titles? No, not really.

Am I hating because of that? No. As far as I am concerned, this thread is a good as a thread made by a Nadaltard about Federer's chances of winning 100 titles and 20 Slam titles. :)

Saberq
08-13-2012, 03:34 PM
lets see Fed next year Big Troll

EliSter
08-13-2012, 03:36 PM
How is stating facts hating?

Is he at 3 at the moment? Yes he is.

Is the max he can do 4? Yes it is.

Is he good at defending titles? No, not really.

Am I hating because of that? No. As far as I am concerned, this thread is a good as a thread made by a Nadaltard about Federer's chances of winning 100 titles and 20 Slam titles. :)

4 is pretty good enough for me. I dont know what your point is? Your jesus will do much better this fall defending titles and next year too.

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 03:53 PM
4 is pretty good enough for me. I dont know what your point is? Your jesus will do much better this fall defending titles and next year too.

I'm not Christian and I doubt Jesus ever played tennis.

And don't count your chickens before they are hatched. Title #4 is not yet defended. And if you look in this thread, one can look pretty idiotic making claims of Nole defending titles being in the bag...

Who do you see beating Nole? From we have seen, a variety of people can do it. :)

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 03:54 PM
lets see Fed next year Big Troll

It's gonna be exciting, I know.

Saberq
08-13-2012, 04:27 PM
I'm not Christian and I doubt Jesus ever played tennis.

And don't count your chickens before they are hatched. Title #4 is not yet defended. And if you look in this thread, one can look pretty idiotic making claims of Nole defending titles being in the bag...

Who do you see beating Nole? From we have seen, a variety of people can do it. :)

US Open?Fed and nobody else and even his chances are 40% at best

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 04:41 PM
US Open?Fed and nobody else and even his chances are 40% at best

What were his chances at Wimbledon?

Radalek
08-13-2012, 05:06 PM
How is stating facts hating?

Is he at 3 at the moment? Yes he is.

Is the max he can do 4? Yes it is.

Is he good at defending titles? No, not really.

Am I hating because of that? No. As far as I am concerned, this thread is a good as a thread made by a Nadaltard about Federer's chances of winning 100 titles and 20 Slam titles. :)

Ok, talking about facts.

Is he at 3 at the moment? Yes he is, you're right

Is the max he can do 4? Yes it is, you're right

Is he good at defending titles? No, not really. He could be better but he improves year after year, doesn't he ;) .

Are you obsessed with him and you need to comment in every thread about him? Yes you are, I am right ;).

Get some air man, Canada is beautiful country. Get out, get laid, hating Novak is pointless, he's future hall of fame member. Get over it, you can't do anything about it. Obsession is bad for health. Glad I could help :wavey:.

petar_pan
08-13-2012, 05:41 PM
So, he is just on 3 from 10 for now. He can get 4 from 11 or will be 3/11. Seems very bad but he is still just few points from World's number one. That's mean his last season was outstanding.

rinnegan
08-13-2012, 05:45 PM
So, how much titles did he defend?

3 so far. 1 to go.

Saberq
08-13-2012, 06:07 PM
What were his chances at Wimbledon?

60% for Fed he is a superior grass court player

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 06:17 PM
Ok, talking about facts.

...

Are you obsessed with him and you need to comment in every thread about him? Yes you are, I am right ;).


Not a fact. And you should be thankful that a non fan creates a thread to celebrate Nole's achievements.

60% for Fed he is a superior grass court player

:spit:

Saberq
08-13-2012, 06:29 PM
what?you had Fed at 100% maybe?

Litotes
08-13-2012, 06:33 PM
So, he is just on 3 from 10 for now. He can get 4 from 11 or will be 3/11. Seems very bad but he is still just few points from World's number one. That's mean his last season was outstanding.

No, he is 3 from 9 thus far. The 10th is US Open. So 30% or 40%. That is not especially bad.

IOFH
08-13-2012, 06:42 PM
Can someone tell me what's the importance of defending a title? Short of Nadal's MC and Fed's 5 in a row at Wimby and USO I don't see what's important about it or why someone would be poor at defending titles.

bounccer
08-13-2012, 06:49 PM
He is the favorite to defend the USO, Federer and Murray are the only ones who can beat him there, Murray more likely than Federer due to the stupid saturday which will probably hurt him less than the old man.

bounccer
08-13-2012, 06:50 PM
Can someone tell me what's the importance of defending a title?


None.

Litotes
08-13-2012, 07:08 PM
Can someone tell me what's the importance of defending a title? Short of Nadal's MC and Fed's 5 in a row at Wimby and USO I don't see what's important about it or why someone would be poor at defending titles.

Not much, really. You might of course get an impressive series going, like 5 straight Wimbys, 8 Monte Carlos, but otherwise not much. I would rate W - QF - W - QF - W in any tournament as high as QF - W - W - W - QF. But as Federer is a prolific titles-defender and both Nadal (off clay) and Djokovic have had less success in this particular area, it is not surprising that it is launched as a topic.

Matt01
08-13-2012, 07:14 PM
Can someone tell me what's the importance of defending a title?


It's just an excuse for the haters to hate. :shrug:

Like Lil'John who desperately bumped this thread to pretend that 3 defended titles in one season is something to be ashamed of. Yeah right :spit:

IOFH
08-13-2012, 07:20 PM
Not much, really. You might of course get an impressive series going, like 5 straight Wimbys, 8 Monte Carlos, but otherwise not much. I would rate W - QF - W - QF - W in any tournament as high as QF - W - W - W - QF. But as Federer is a prolific titles-defender and both Nadal (off clay) and Djokovic have had less success in this particular area, it is not surprising that it is launched as a topic.

Exatly, unless they're going for some sort of record there's no extra reward in defending a tournament other than just winning that tournament.

nole_no1
08-13-2012, 07:24 PM
I said he won't defend Wimbledon but he'll defend AO and USO :shrug: It is true that i said he'll win RG but it didn't happen unfortunatelly

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 08:09 PM
Can someone tell me what's the importance of defending a title? Short of Nadal's MC and Fed's 5 in a row at Wimby and USO I don't see what's important about it or why someone would be poor at defending titles.

You would disagree that this thread puts Nole 2.0 in perspective?

Nole 2.0 won so many titles in a row last year. Having a look at how well he defends these titles would give credible data on how truly great Nole 2.0 was in such a strong era (having to face the GOAT and the clayGOAT: the most difficult era ever).

SO this year is not that surprising: Nole is still bad at defending titles, the numbers from this year are not what Nole 2.0 suggested they would be.

Nole 2.0 was probably just a big tropical depression that gained hurricane status because a few elements produced once in a century conditions at the same time.

IOFH
08-13-2012, 10:36 PM
You would disagree that this thread puts Nole 2.0 in perspective?

Nole 2.0 won so many titles in a row last year. Having a look at how well he defends these titles would give credible data on how truly great Nole 2.0 was in such a strong era (having to face the GOAT and the clayGOAT: the most difficult era ever).

SO this year is not that surprising: Nole is still bad at defending titles, the numbers from this year are not what Nole 2.0 suggested they would be.

Nole 2.0 was probably just a big tropical depression that gained hurricane status because a few elements produced once in a century conditions at the same time.

It puts into perspective that he hasn't been able to win as many tournaments as 2011. Since he won almost everything from AO to USO means the same thing but I was talking about defending titles in general. If you win IW and then Miami the next year that's in no way worse than winning IW consecutively. Just like if No2e goes on to win everything he did in 2011, in 2013, that would be no worse than doing it in consecutive years.

That's what I meant, in general defending titles isn't inmportant or tell anything about a player. The top guys try to win every tournament they enter, sometimes it just doesn't work out as well.

I do agree that Djoko won't be able to produce another 2011, I just don't think there's this thing called ability in defending titles that's affecting to it.

Roy Emerson
08-13-2012, 10:44 PM
Defending the USO will be hard.

He barely defended the AO which is his most successful/best surface. Beat Murray and Nadal by a hair.

At the USO it will be a more daunting task.

DrJules
08-13-2012, 10:56 PM
and says who that he wont defend Wimbledon?Who is gonna stop him?

Answer: Federer

DrJules
08-13-2012, 11:10 PM
This is my thought on Djokovic too. I think beating Fed (easily) in Rome was important. The surface is pretty similar to RG.

I certainly wouldn't say Djokovic tanked Rome. Nothing of the sort. But I'm not sure he gave it 100% "I'll die on the court before I lose" type effort like in the Australian Open.

Beating Rafa on slow clay is always going to be hard and require tons of energy. Looked like he was giving about 85%-90% in Rome, but remembering that RG was only a week away. And obviously the career slam, holding all the slams at the same time, beating Rafa at RG......all way more important than a Rome title (or Monte Carlo for that matter).

I think its a pretty good sign that he can get to the finals of Masters 1000 events without putting forth his "very best" effort.

In short, I think Djokovic is exactly where he wants to be going into RG (Wimbledon and the Olympics). All of which I expect him to win (sorry Roger :sad:).

Well.....on second thought, he might not win RG. The margins between him and Nadal are SO SMALL on clay. It's really a pick-em.

I do think he is happy Nadal is #2 instead of #3. He can beat Roger in the semis and then beat Rafa in the final. Don't think he could beat Rafa in the semis and then beat Roger in the final. The battle against Rafa will leave them both with very little energy left in the tank. Very glad the seeding has worked out this way. Too bad for Roger. He could have maybe faced a depleted Rafa in the RG final and got his revenge for all those losses.

And then he won none of the 3 titles.

Saberq
08-13-2012, 11:11 PM
Defending the USO will be hard.

He barely defended the AO which is his most successful/best surface. Beat Murray and Nadal by a hair.

At the USO it will be a more daunting task.

actually US Open is his best surface/Slam in the last 5 years and we all know those two guys suck right?Murray and Nadal?Mugs :rolleyes:

DrJules
08-13-2012, 11:16 PM
Defend: AO, Dubai, IW, Miami, Serbian Open and Canadian Open
Win (Not won this year): Year end masters.
Could go either way: US Open.
Unlikely to defend: Rome, Madrid and Wimbledon.

Expect Djokovic and Nadal to determine the world number 1 at y.e. championship next year.

Biggest surprises were not winning Dubai and IW hard courts.

No wins at GS and MS off hard courts as predicted.

Nadal injury has taken has out of number 1 race.

NID
08-13-2012, 11:20 PM
OP has never bothered to answer his own poll question. color me shocked.

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 11:25 PM
OP has never bothered to answer his own poll question. color me shocked.

The poll closed before I could vote...

shiaben
08-13-2012, 11:26 PM
I'd like to see him defend U.S. Open and make it 2 in a row. With Nadal quite possibly out, he really needs to make a statement toward Federer that he's got U.S. Open locked up. It would look interesting for their rivalry. Everything else I don't care for so much.

Yolita
08-13-2012, 11:51 PM
I'm just very glad that Novak is part of the conversation again and threads about him are being resurrected.

As Oscar Wilde said: "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

:wavey:

BigJohn
08-13-2012, 11:53 PM
I'm just very glad that Novak is part of the conversation again and threads about him are being resurrected.

As Oscar Wilde said: "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

:wavey:

With only one tournament to defend, it was the proper time to bump it up. :)

Nole fan
08-14-2012, 01:13 AM
Defending the USO will be hard.

He barely defended the AO which is his most successful/best surface. Beat Murray and Nadal by a hair.

At the USO it will be a more daunting task.

Not really, I still think USO suits Nole's game better than any other tournament, even though he has more AO titles. But he's won it once and has made three finals and so many semifinals. He's always got great results at USO. He almost beat a peak Federer when he was a youngster in 2007, he was too unexperienced, that settled it.

Roy Emerson
08-14-2012, 01:15 AM
AO and slow hc is Djokovic's best surface. When all is said and done and Djokovic retires, he will have more AOs than USOs for a reason. Like Agassi. It's 3-1 and by the end of his career it might be 5-3 maybe. He could end up being the open era AO record owner. But not even close to being the open era USO record owner.

TennisGrandSlam
08-14-2012, 05:20 AM
Federer, Nadal and Djokovic monopolize all finished 9 GS and Masters 1000 tournaments this year!

AO - Djoker
IW - Fedex
Miami - Djoker
MC - Rafa
Rome - Rafa
Madrid - Fex
RG - Rafa
WM - Fedex
Canada - Djoker

Trollin Stone
09-11-2012, 02:38 AM
So after all 3 is the correct number

BigJohn
09-11-2012, 02:39 AM
So after all 3 is the correct number

Hater...

BigJohn
09-11-2012, 02:41 AM
Only 69,15% of the people surveyed were overly enthusiastic about our dear Nole's capability to defend titles.

I believe it is fair to say that he overachieved in his title defense this year.