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Who had the best slice ever?

green25814
11-26-2011, 04:02 PM
Ken Rosewall? Jmac? Federer?

alter ego
11-26-2011, 04:04 PM
Federer obviously. He has killed big servers with that shot since 1999.

samanosuke
11-26-2011, 04:04 PM
wayne arthurs

sexybeast
11-26-2011, 04:09 PM
Rosewall with wooden raquet, Federer with modern raquets.

GSMnadal
11-26-2011, 04:09 PM
Roddick

MacTheKnife
11-26-2011, 04:09 PM
Rosewall.

ossie
11-26-2011, 04:10 PM
federer, anyone who says otherwise is just trolling

martinatreue
11-26-2011, 04:17 PM
Steffi Graf and Roger Federer.

viruzzz
11-26-2011, 04:17 PM
I think Fed...
That slice is one of the reasons I think Fed would do well in the 90s.
Imagine that slice in the fast-grass...
Orgasmic.

HarryMan
11-26-2011, 04:26 PM
Federer has one of best slice backhands in the game, ever.

Roamed
11-26-2011, 04:35 PM
Even though Fed played like crap today some of his slices were still awesome :drool: I haven't watched enough of Rosewall's matches etc to say decisively though. Fed seems to be the best of the last 10 years.

Ibracadabra
11-26-2011, 07:30 PM
youzhny

Hellraiser
11-26-2011, 09:06 PM
Federer and Paes

ssj100
11-26-2011, 09:18 PM
Nadal, Sampras and Roddick, in no particular order. Oh wait, what was the question again?

Mountaindewslave
11-26-2011, 09:25 PM
oh yeah Federer definitely of course I am not too familiar with Rosewall, but he never had to handle quite the firepower that Federer does when using the slice as a weapon

Mountaindewslave
11-26-2011, 09:26 PM
Nadal, Sampras and Roddick, in no particular order. Oh wait, what was the question again?

your signature sort of makes you seem like a hater....... :o

spencercarlos
11-26-2011, 09:53 PM
Steffi Graf and Roger Federer.
I actually don't like Federer's.. At times its just an easy floater, he just can't accelerate with that shot. Graf's better by miles.

leng jai
11-26-2011, 10:08 PM
Andy Murray

ApproachShot
11-26-2011, 10:17 PM
youzhny

Not a bad call at all, but may I take liberty to post a rally for research purposes?

igicoafWhT0


I can't quite decide between Federer and Rosewall myself. I think I will sit on the fence on this one and say they both had the best slice of their respective eras.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-26-2011, 10:27 PM
rosewall was known for his slice

however- ive never seen anyone slice better than rog- well you can say that about almost all his shots- the slice is still special though

on fast grass------ MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

he beats sampras- gotta beat sampras when you can slice the samapras serve like that

BodyServe
11-26-2011, 11:22 PM
Best slice i have ever seen was from Gonzalez against Hanescu at FO 2009, he hit the slice with basically the same energy as a flat bh ... results: Hanescu forehand hit the ground before reaching the net..

Would be worth buying the dvd only for that shot.

Sapeod
11-26-2011, 11:25 PM
Roger Federer. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they're talking about. Of course, it's nowhere near as good now as it was back in the day.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-26-2011, 11:29 PM
agassi & borg :lol:

adingh
11-26-2011, 11:57 PM
Llodra's attacking slice is quite decent.

StevoTG
11-27-2011, 12:09 AM
Rosewall and Federer consistently hit good slices. Murray can knife a good slice and the Youzhny - Fed rally was a beauty.

You don't get many players who can slice crosscourt, short angle, down the line, inside out, knife the slice and hit a good floater when necessary.

Best slice i have ever seen was from Gonzalez against Hanescu at FO 2009, he hit the slice with basically the same energy as a flat bh ... results: Hanescu forehand hit the ground before reaching the net..

I actually hit a slice winner like that before.. it was freaking cool, though more improvised/semi-accidental than intentional!

sexybeast
11-27-2011, 12:11 AM
Andy Murray

Is this supposed to be funny? Murray got one of the best slices of this era so I really dont know...

Sapeod
11-27-2011, 12:14 AM
Is this supposed to be funny? Murray got one of the best slices of this era so I really dont know...
Andy's probably got the second best slice behind Federer's, at least in the last 20 or so years. I'd put Youzhny on par with Andy too.

Topspindoctor
11-27-2011, 12:38 AM
Nadal.

n8
11-27-2011, 12:47 AM
Not a bad call at all, but may I take liberty to post a rally for research purposes?

igicoafWhT0


I can't quite decide between Federer and Rosewall myself. I think I will sit on the fence on this one and say they both had the best slice of their respective eras.

Cool post (as usual). I would say that Rosewall's slice backhand was the greatest ever. Rosewall with an average slice probably wouldn't be an all time great, but Federer definitely still would be.

Forehander
11-27-2011, 12:50 AM
I actually don't like Federer's.. At times its just an easy floater, he just can't accelerate with that shot. Graf's better by miles.

He doesn't hit the most penetrating attacking slice, but his defensive slice is BY FAR BY FAR BY FAR the best ever.

TBkeeper
11-27-2011, 12:53 AM
Davydenko :D :D if he had slice at all i've seen him though he used 2 slices in 1 RALLY ! ! !

n8
11-27-2011, 12:54 AM
Tomic may not be up there with Federer and Rosewall, but his slice is extremely good for a 19 year old.

HKz
11-27-2011, 12:54 AM
Federer certainly a candidate, however, I loved Lendl's backhand slice. It was a great shot.

Although I must say, Federer's short backhand slice that lands around the service line was and probably still is a superb shot. Places so many players in a difficult situation even if they are adept at closing in to the net and gives Federer so many options.

sexybeast
11-27-2011, 12:56 AM
Andy's probably got the second best slice behind Federer's, at least in the last 20 or so years. I'd put Youzhny on par with Andy too.

I think that is going too far, some less ranked players like dogolpolov or Peltzchner I think got the edge against Murray. Mayer and Tomic also got some tricky slices.

StevoTG
11-27-2011, 01:00 AM
Tomic may not be up there with Federer and Rosewall, but his slice is extremely good for a 19 year old.

Good shout actually. Let's see how effective it can be in the years to come.

sexybeast
11-27-2011, 01:00 AM
Edberg's slice apporach was pretty neat.

jcempire
11-27-2011, 02:36 AM
of course sampras

tests
11-27-2011, 07:14 AM
Rosewall and Federer consistently hit good slices. Murray can knife a good slice and the Youzhny - Fed rally was a beauty.

You don't get many players who can slice crosscourt, short angle, down the line, inside out, knife the slice and hit a good floater when necessary.



I actually hit a slice winner like that before.. it was freaking cool, though more improvised/semi-accidental than intentional!

i wonder why we have not seen many tennis players who have the variety in their slice arsenal like federer does. Is it because of the skill it takes to perform such slices?

Start da Game
11-27-2011, 07:27 AM
of course rosewall......and then edberg, sampras......funny that nobody mentioned laver, his slice was great.....

TENNISCRACK
11-27-2011, 08:31 AM
Rosewall overall. Federer on the return of serve.

http://www.tenniscrack.com

BodyServe
11-27-2011, 12:00 PM
i wonder why we have not seen many tennis players who have the variety in their slice arsenal like federer does. Is it because of the skill it takes to perform such slices?

It's because no one enjoy to train against a slice bot, i slice 90% of my bh and about 20% of my forehands, result: no one wants to practice with me...

It does take a lot of skills to perform slices, and i do think it's a lot harder than volleys for instance.

BroTree123
11-27-2011, 12:02 PM
Ivo Karlovic and Roger Federer.

BodyServe
11-27-2011, 12:07 PM
Ivo Karlovic and Roger Federer.

A lot of people will laugh at you here but you are right, it has a lot of life in it and because od his height he isn't bothered with high balls.
Also i even saw him won slice battle against Federer.

BroTree123
11-27-2011, 12:11 PM
A lot of people will laugh at you here but you are right, it has a lot of life in it and because od his height he isn't bothered with high balls.
Also i even saw him won slice battle against Federer.

Yeah exactly, don't underestimate Karlovic's slices. They have alot of venom and speed on them. It's just a shame he's a suicidal mug in coming to the net so often with them. If he keeps them during a rally for once, he would have a better chance. That said, I like Karlovic so I could be biased :facepalm:.

BodyServe
11-27-2011, 12:19 PM
Yeah exactly, don't underestimate Karlovic's slices. They have alot of venom and speed on them. It's just a shame he's a suicidal mug in coming to the net so often with them. If he keeps them during a rally for once, he would have a better chance. That said, I like Karlovic so I could be biased :facepalm:.

No you are not :)
I heard a lot of consultant on tv saying it was a very good shot making up a little for his atrocious flat backhand :p

BroTree123
11-27-2011, 12:25 PM
No you are not :)
I heard a lot of consultant on tv saying it was a very good shot making up a little for his atrocious flat backhand :p

Yeah true that. I just think he needs to differentiate which types of his slices he should approach on and NOT approach on. I mean their good, but some just should not be approached or it's freaking suicide lol :o. Still, he's bad without a decent flat backhand -- he can't always slice like a God. We saw this against Rafa in IW at 7-7 during the 3rd set TB. I think if he tried hitting a flatter BH there instead of really short slices under pressure, he would have had at least a better chance :sad:.

BodyServe
11-27-2011, 12:41 PM
Yeah true that. I just think he needs to differentiate which types of his slices he should approach on and NOT approach on. I mean their good, but some just should not be approached or it's freaking suicide lol :o. Still, he's bad without a decent flat backhand -- he can't always slice like a God. We saw this against Rafa in IW at 7-7 during the 3rd set TB. I think if he tried hitting a flatter BH there instead of really short slices under pressure, he would have had at least a better chance :sad:.

I'm glad i missed that IW match :p
All i know is that those rather slow hard court like IW or Miami aren't great for slices :(
And surely in that moment he didn't have enough confidence in his flat backhand to try it, that was a golden opportunity for him to beat Nadal for the first time :mad:

BroTree123
11-27-2011, 12:49 PM
I'm glad i missed that IW match :p
All i know is that those rather slow hard court like IW or Miami aren't great for slices :(
And surely in that moment he didn't have enough confidence in his flat backhand to try it, that was a golden opportunity for him to beat Nadal for the first time :mad:

Yeah I know, but his slices fell really short and slow...was probably nervous. As usual, Rafa can eat them up easily with the forehand without a sweat. If he hit a semi-deep flat backhand, probably could have settled into a rally where he could get ready for his forehand and go for broke with it...but oh well shit happens, like you said, confidence wasn't there at that moment.
I was pretty hurt when he lost that match :sad:

Forehander
11-27-2011, 01:59 PM
The truth is with only two people have slices that is worthy of making highlights - Roger Federer and Steffi Graf.

Orka_n
11-27-2011, 10:10 PM
I don't know, because I've never seen Rosewall play. ;) I think that goes for 80% of those who said Federer in this thread as well.

Shinoj
11-28-2011, 10:07 AM
Of course nobody seems to have seen Edbergs Backhand Slices. They were the best.

Sophocles
11-28-2011, 11:01 AM
Surprised so many people are saying Federer when it's far from obvious he had the best slice even of this era. Fabrice Santoro anybody? Federer's got an excellent slice and of course it's up there, but it stands out more today because so few top players have a decent one. Back in the day, everybody did.

The answer to the question is of course Ken Rosewall.

nastoff
11-28-2011, 11:16 AM
I was thinking Santoro and federer.

Chris Kuerten
11-28-2011, 11:17 AM
Karlovic

spencercarlos
11-28-2011, 11:25 AM
He doesn't hit the most penetrating attacking slice, but his defensive slice is BY FAR BY FAR BY FAR the best ever.
I never said it was bad, but i agree the defensive slice, especially when stretched out of the court. Still Federer does not tops Graf in any category, Graf could accelerate, hit the deep one, cross court, down the line, really deceiving, but many times that shot set up her forehand.

Anyway Federer is doing a great job with it. Its a shot that he needed to use instead of trying topspin backhands and fall short.

sexybeast
11-28-2011, 12:33 PM
Of course nobody seems to have seen Edbergs Backhand Slices. They were the best.

Oh I have already mentioned the Edbergian art of approaching the net with a slice. Federer never really fully learned that from his idol. Other than that Edberg's defensive slice is probably not up there with Federer, but in Edberg's era the approaching slice was a fundamental part of the game for a serve and volleyer.

leng jai
11-28-2011, 01:01 PM
Surprised so many people are saying Federer when it's far from obvious he had the best slice even of this era. Fabrice Santoro anybody? Federer's got an excellent slice and of course it's up there, but it stands out more today because so few top players have a decent one. Back in the day, everybody did.

The answer to the question is of course Ken Rosewall.

I'm afraid your argument is made redundant by Federer's 16 slams.

sexybeast
11-28-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm afraid your argument is made redundant by Federer's 16 slams.

Well, is there anyone you have seen play you can with confidence say is better than Federer in the slice department?

People usually say Federer's forehand is the greatest of all time, but I have seen players outplay Federer's forehand so many times, including Tsonga yesterday. I have never seen anyone be able to outmanouever Federer with slices.

Sophocles
11-28-2011, 04:37 PM
Well, is there anyone you have seen play you can with confidence say is better than Federer in the slice department?

People usually say Federer's forehand is the greatest of all time, but I have seen players outplay Federer's forehand so many times, including Tsonga yesterday. I have never seen anyone be able to outmanouever Federer with slices.

With confidence I can say Ken Rosewall is better & McEnroe, Laver, Santoro, Edberg are certainly no worse. Federer can't be outmanoeuvred by slice because he often runs around & hits a big forehand off it: he deals with slice as well as anybody on tour, along with Nadal. But that's not the same as having a great slice (although he does).

I never saw Federer's forehand outplayed during his peak. Unless maybe you count Gonzo at the 2007 WTF.

yonexforever
11-28-2011, 07:05 PM
Am I the only one who remembers John McEnroe's slice backhand? The way i assigned greatness to that particular stroke was how successful you were in your career using one. John lived and died by his slice.. he could come over the backhand. He was also known for dumping slices short and wide to draw folks to the net a la Federer. Edberg deserves honorable mention among the men.. Navratilova was like Graf in that she played slice for most of her career even though they both developed top spin backhands eventually. Graf knifed hers more that Martina who really loved to float most of hers for depth unless attacking teh net. Rosewal was a genius with his slice as was most of the players who used one during the S & V era. Hell, Pete Sampras had a great slice as well. Listen Pam Shriver doesnt even know who to spell topspin on either side and she had a decent career. A poster mentioned no one liked to practice with him/her because they used slice mostly. I remember the same experience growing up.... NO ONE liked to practice/rally with slice one handed backhands. The trajectory isnt pretty and you cant bang with a slice backhand which is what the current crop of players tend to do.

superganon
11-28-2011, 07:10 PM
Fernando Gonzalez

sexybeast
11-28-2011, 07:18 PM
With confidence I can say Ken Rosewall is better & McEnroe, Laver, Santoro, Edberg are certainly no worse. Federer can't be outmanoeuvred by slice because he often runs around & hits a big forehand off it: he deals with slice as well as anybody on tour, along with Nadal. But that's not the same as having a great slice (although he does).

I never saw Federer's forehand outplayed during his peak. Unless maybe you count Gonzo at the 2007 WTF.

I dont think you can say Rosewall's slice is better anymore than you can say Laver's forehand is better than Federer's because it is impossible to compare wooden raquets with modern raquets.

Thing is I have never seen anyone defend so well with the slice as Federer, but Mcenroe and Edberg had clearly superior approach slices and it got all to do with what is important in different eras, Federer practices alot defending with his slice because rallies are long and defending skills are essential in modern tennis. Watch how Federer even at old age on clay used his slice to dismantle Djokovic's offense in Roland Garros, it is one shot that is super reliable for Federer like Nadal's topspin forehand defense Federer's slice defense is always good.

SERBINATOR
11-28-2011, 08:26 PM
Not a bad call at all, but may I take liberty to post a rally for research purposes?

igicoafWhT0


I can't quite decide between Federer and Rosewall myself. I think I will sit on the fence on this one and say they both had the best slice of their respective eras.

Wow, that was pretty cool :worship:

r2473
11-28-2011, 08:36 PM
Check out Joe's:

http://www.joespizzanyc.com/

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/photo.jpg?w=300&h=224

Logical
11-28-2011, 08:48 PM
Karlovic:spit: :lol:

Sophocles
11-29-2011, 01:27 PM
I dont think you can say Rosewall's slice is better anymore than you can say Laver's forehand is better than Federer's because it is impossible to compare wooden raquets with modern raquets.

Thing is I have never seen anyone defend so well with the slice as Federer, but Mcenroe and Edberg had clearly superior approach slices and it got all to do with what is important in different eras, Federer practices alot defending with his slice because rallies are long and defending skills are essential in modern tennis. Watch how Federer even at old age on clay used his slice to dismantle Djokovic's offense in Roland Garros, it is one shot that is super reliable for Federer like Nadal's topspin forehand defense Federer's slice defense is always good.

Well the thing about Rosewall is that his slice was his main shot. He hit it to approach & attack, to pass, to rally, to defend, & he did all of those things at the highest conceivable level with the equipment available. You may be right that Federer defends with the slice even better, but Rosewall's was more versatile. Fed - best defensive slice. Mac (arguably) - best attacking slice. Rosewall - best overall slice. That's how I see it.

leng jai
11-29-2011, 01:29 PM
Haas = sexiest slice

nalbyfan
11-29-2011, 02:10 PM
Henman, Edberg, Rosewall

sexybeast
11-29-2011, 02:16 PM
Haas = sexiest slice

If the Federer slice is sexy like Maria Kirilenko the Haas slice is Serene Williams.

Shirogane
11-29-2011, 02:42 PM
I could watch Nalbandian slice all day.

Clay Death
11-29-2011, 03:11 PM
steffi graff, emerson, rosewall, edberg, and fed.

felli has a great slice as well.

MatchFederer
11-29-2011, 04:15 PM
Tomic may not be up there with Federer and Rosewall, but his slice is extremely good for a 19 year old.

Tomic will be known soon enough to have the greatest slice of this decade alongside Federer, probably.

Nole Rules
06-07-2013, 08:29 PM
Haas and Slicerer should be up there. Probably the answer is between these 2. I'd say Slicerer's slice is slightly better than Haas's.

Newcomer
06-07-2013, 08:30 PM
Djokovic.
Also his smash is godlike.

Fat Camel
06-07-2013, 08:31 PM
Funky Flo donkey drop shot ;)

PedroMarquess
06-07-2013, 08:32 PM
Djokovic.
Also his smash is godlike.

2/10, that was poor.

Federer :yeah:

SerialKillerToBe
06-07-2013, 08:32 PM
Nadal's backhand slice :drool:

Newcomer
06-07-2013, 08:33 PM
Murray and Tomic.

Snowwy
06-07-2013, 08:35 PM
All time best slicers are all currently active?

Moonball Pusher
06-07-2013, 08:35 PM
Federer, Haas, Murray from current players

Federer in 2
06-07-2013, 08:37 PM
Federer probably.

forehandluva
06-07-2013, 08:37 PM
haas. fed. del potro in indian wells. murray and youhzni

motorhead
06-07-2013, 08:40 PM
Roberta Vinci

Nole Rules
06-07-2013, 08:40 PM
All time best slicers are all currently active?

No but Haas and Fed belong to this discussion. We all know both got the best slice BH between active players but I asked about the best slice of all times just to make the discussion more interesting/fun.

VamosRafaNadal
06-07-2013, 08:41 PM
Federer IMO

Slice Winner
06-07-2013, 10:06 PM
Ken Rosewall had a good slice.

Kyle_Johansen
06-07-2013, 10:08 PM
Of all times, the short list:

Federer, Haas, Rosewall, Youzhny, Tomic, Dolgopolov. Older guys like McEnroe, etc.

Looner
06-07-2013, 10:10 PM
Tomic as the best slice of all time. God save us :facepalm:. How about Henman, GOATerer and some of the S&V players I haven't watched like Becker and Edberg? McEnroe even.

BackhandDTL
06-07-2013, 10:24 PM
2WUe-bhadfY


Of this past era:

Federer, Murray and Roddick come to mind. Maybe Haas as well (more for his use of it, imo). Each of these guys typically play it with smooth, razor-thin margin, and each are crafty and versatile with it.

From the distant past, Edberg's name should definitely be mentioned. It was part of what made his backhand so phenomenal. Rosewall is another. Rafter as well.

Mong Mong
06-07-2013, 10:32 PM
That jumping slice forehand winner from Roger against Nole(?) is just out of this world. I wish I could find the video somewhere on Youtube.

Slice Winner
06-07-2013, 10:36 PM
That jumping slice forehand winner from Roger against Nole(?) is just out of this world. I wish I could find the video somewhere on Youtube.

This one?

OrCsitR3mgA

Burrow
06-07-2013, 11:42 PM
This thread...names like Tomic, Roddick and the like popping up. Jesus.

Rosewall and Federer stand out. Rosewall could hit his slice with considerable power and accurately, whereas most slices today are pretty short.

Then there's the likes of Stich, Rusedski (yes, he only sliced, but it was a good slice), Noah, Edberg, Rafter, Becker, Ashe, Mcenroe, Laver and so on.

Lower ranked, there's the little Italian who played well into his 30's Pozzi who troubled Safin in 2000 a couple of times (once a five setter in New York). El Aynaoui never had a bad slice. Srichaphan could chop pretty well.

Burrow
06-07-2013, 11:44 PM
2WUe-bhadfY


Of this past era:

Federer, Murray and Roddick come to mind. Maybe Haas as well (more for his use of it, imo). Each of these guys typically play it with smooth, razor-thin margin, and each are crafty and versatile with it.

From the distant past, Edberg's name should definitely be mentioned. It was part of what made his backhand so phenomenal. Rosewall is another. Rafter as well.

Federer and Nalbandian look like they're playing in fast motion compared to tennis of today. Unlucky that Nalbandian got injured soon after this. Federer was 3-0 down in that second set.

Timot
06-07-2013, 11:49 PM
Fed. His slice winners are incredible.

He's also really good at doing chip&charge at Wimbly.

Burrow
06-07-2013, 11:56 PM
Fed. His slice winners are incredible.

He's also really good at doing chip&charge at Wimbly.

He very rarely chips and charges. :confused:

Topspindoctor
06-08-2013, 12:00 AM
Nadal is up there IMO


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BauerAlmeida
06-08-2013, 12:03 AM
Santoro?

RIboy
06-08-2013, 12:04 AM
Cilic and it's not even close

redshift36188
06-08-2013, 12:06 AM
Dog?


Roberta Vinci
Knowledgeable choice.

nole_no1
06-08-2013, 12:07 AM
Federer and Youzhny (i don't know if all times but as of now)

TheBlackWidow
06-08-2013, 12:10 AM
Santoro. :angel:

Ken Rosewall had a really good slice, didn't he? It's the first that crossed my mind (after Federer's)

TheBlackWidow
06-08-2013, 12:12 AM
Roberta Vinci

GOAT.

Also, I'd say Lopez is one of the best (among active players)

spaniel
06-08-2013, 12:18 AM
Federer with 5300rpm on his slice backhand, highest spin ever with low clearance.

Looner
06-08-2013, 12:22 AM
This thread...names like Tomic, Roddick and the like popping up. Jesus.

Rosewall and Federer stand out. Rosewall could hit his slice with considerable power and accurately, whereas most slices today are pretty short.

Then there's the likes of Stich, Rusedski (yes, he only sliced, but it was a good slice), Noah, Edberg, Rafter, Becker, Ashe, Mcenroe, Laver and so on.

Lower ranked, there's the little Italian who played well into his 30's Pozzi who troubled Safin in 2000 a couple of times (once a five setter in New York). El Aynaoui never had a bad slice. Srichaphan could chop pretty well.

Now this is a good post.

Moonball Pusher
06-08-2013, 12:29 AM
Santoro?

Slice Winner
06-08-2013, 12:47 AM
Steffi had a good slice.
Fernando Gonzales also had a powerful slice.

leng jai
06-08-2013, 12:51 AM
The two GOAT slicers were duking it out a few hours. Nadal's killer skidders in particular were giving Noley Woley fits.

Timot
06-08-2013, 01:54 AM
He very rarely chips and charges. :confused:

I didn't say that he does it often, but that he does it really good. He's also good volleyer, which doesn't mean he has to volley all the time.

Rosewall and Federer stand out. Rosewall could hit his slice with considerable power and accurately, whereas most slices today are pretty short.

Have you seen Rosewall playing? Cause there's nearly no video from his matches, which makes it impossible to make such specific judgments about elements of his game, unless you've seen his matches with your own eyes.

BackhandDTL
06-08-2013, 01:56 AM
This thread...names like Tomic, Roddick and the like popping up.

Rosewall and Federer stand out. Rosewall could hit his slice with considerable power and accurately, whereas most slices today are pretty short.

Then there's the likes of Stich, Rusedski (yes, he only sliced, but it was a good slice), Noah, Edberg, Rafter, Becker, Ashe, Mcenroe, Laver and so on.

Lower ranked, there's the little Italian who played well into his 30's Pozzi who troubled Safin in 2000 a couple of times (once a five setter in New York). El Aynaoui never had a bad slice. Srichaphan could chop pretty well.

I'll go ahead and answer for this since I'm the only one who brought up Roddick.

First, note that I said he had one of the greatest of this past generation or so, not of all time. And I completely stand by that assertion.

He had everything you should want in a slice. He kept the ball considerably low (very noticeable watching live), and consistently deep, yet could use it routinely. Players were rarely ever able to tee off of that shot. He may not have always applied it correctly, but the shot itself was not the issue, and when he did, it paid off in spades (IE Wimbledon '09).

Beyond that, his application was versatile. He could hit the short-angled slice that made Fed's famous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXEGezNtO7M), mix it up the line, or the combination of both (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauUcTqrcrg&feature=player_embedded). People are tempted to call these "one-offs", but I've seen him do it numerous times.


The other names you mentioned are good. Srichapan was a name I forgot (squash forehand was incredible), as were Rusedski and Ashe. Henman is another one who deserves a mention.

I don't entirely agree about Becker or El Aynaoui mainly.

BackhandDTL
06-08-2013, 01:59 AM
Federer and Nalbandian look like they're playing in fast motion compared to tennis of today. Unlucky that Nalbandian got injured soon after this. Federer was 3-0 down in that second set.

Agreed. I always considered that the great match that never was. The shot-making in the first set and a half was awesome. Shame that Nalbandian couldn't finish.

Really the story of his career, honestly.

leng jai
06-08-2013, 02:05 AM
Roddick was the original guy to employ the killer slice in his arsenal.

Fujee
06-08-2013, 02:35 AM
Federer is the best i've ever seen. Though Haas and Murray have wicked slices too.

Nole Rules
06-08-2013, 03:01 AM
Federer is the best i've ever seen. Though Haas and Murray have wicked slices too.

Poor leng jai. This must hurt his eyes. Putting Murray in the same sentence with Hass in this discussion is absurd.

rocketassist
06-08-2013, 03:04 AM
Rusedski had a pretty deft slice.

BackhandDTL
06-08-2013, 03:09 AM
Poor leng jai. This must hurt his eyes. Putting Murray in the same sentence with Hass in this discussion is absurd.

No, it's not.

When Murray came on tour, long before he "do u even lift bro?"'d, he was mostly just made up of touch and movement.

Nole Rules
06-08-2013, 03:16 AM
No, it's not.

When Murray came on tour, long before he "do u even lift bro?"'d, he was mostly just made up of touch and movement.

Ok I exaggerated a bit but still Haas's slice BH is significantly better than Murray's. I think most would agree on that.

Kyle_Johansen
06-08-2013, 05:29 AM
Unfortunate that Lopez's most memorable slice was the one up the line vs Federer at the USO2007 before Fed sent a BH winner past him.

Burrow
06-08-2013, 10:40 AM
I didn't say that he does it often, but that he does it really good. He's also good volleyer, which doesn't mean he has to volley all the time.



Have you seen Rosewall playing? Cause there's nearly no video from his matches, which makes it impossible to make such specific judgments about elements of his game, unless you've seen his matches with your own eyes.

I have 7 DVD's of Rosewall.

Burrow
06-08-2013, 10:52 AM
I'll go ahead and answer for this since I'm the only one who brought up Roddick.

First, note that I said he had one of the greatest of this past generation or so, not of all time. And I completely stand by that assertion.

He had everything you should want in a slice. He kept the ball considerably low (very noticeable watching live), and consistently deep, yet could use it routinely. Players were rarely ever able to tee off of that shot. He may not have always applied it correctly, but the shot itself was not the issue, and when he did, it paid off in spades (IE Wimbledon '09).

Beyond that, his application was versatile. He could hit the short-angled slice that made Fed's famous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXEGezNtO7M), mix it up the line, or the combination of both (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauUcTqrcrg&feature=player_embedded). People are tempted to call these "one-offs", but I've seen him do it numerous times.


The other names you mentioned are good. Srichapan was a name I forgot (squash forehand was incredible), as were Rusedski and Ashe. Henman is another one who deserves a mention.

I don't entirely agree about Becker or El Aynaoui mainly.

I'll concede that Roddick's slice wasn't bad but I've never viewed it as a consistently good shot or threatening shot. In terms of when it was used, the timing was absolutely useless most of the time. Instead of using the shot as something productive, as the years passed, Roddick would more and more use the slice as a shot to bypass hitting an attacking drive. Maybe it deserves a mention.

Becker was too content at hitting the hair off the ball, but he could slice alright. In my opinion, it was a shot never fully maximised. El Aynaoui's slice was, like Roddick, hit to bypass his dire backhand. El Aynaoui could get his body weight behind the slice better than Roddick whereas Roddick's rarely generated any kind of penetrative power unless he was approaching the net. El Aynaoui could slice cross court and hit with so much spin and power, it would catch out opponents running around their backhand pretty well. A confidence shot and a shot which got Younes out of many sticky situations, tough to forget it when thinking of the late 90's and early 2000's. I think his slice would've been better had he had a better drive backhand, at times it looked like he was crapping himself and didn't know which shot to hit.

sidneythagovou
06-08-2013, 03:55 PM
Rafter had a decent one. but federer's is the best

Slice Winner
06-08-2013, 04:43 PM
Karlovic has a rather versatile slice.

Action Jackson
06-08-2013, 04:43 PM
Ken Rosewall then Chino Miranda.