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Rank Nadal's level in the French

bounccer
11-26-2011, 07:34 AM
Which version is better? :confused:

I would say:


1- Nadal 2008, unbeatable

2- Nadal 2007, underrated, only loses one set to a very good Federer

3- Nadal 2010, a little bit overrated IMO


Now it's close

4- Nadal 2006, very very fast

5- Nadal 2005, same here, but still rookie

6- Nadal 2011, Except the Soderling match, it was fucking average

7- Nadal 2009, Last, but close to Nadal 2005 and 2011 IMO, without Soderling he would probably win the tournament confortably

GSMnadal
11-26-2011, 08:51 AM
Seems about right, only the gap between 1 and 2 should be bigger, might want to leave some room between them. Maybe even a seperate post for Rafa's 2008 level :worship:

TheRafaelNadal
11-26-2011, 12:16 PM
2006 is 2nd for me. Considering how good Federer was that year he did well to beat him.

manadrainer
11-26-2011, 12:34 PM
Nadal from 2006 to 2008 was his highest level on clay.

I agree 2010 is overrated on clay.

Off topic: to me Nadal from MC 2008 to AO 2009 was at his highest level on all surfaces. I'd consider that his peak, even more than 2010. I'd like to know what Rafa fans think about that.

RogerFedererNo1
11-26-2011, 12:37 PM
I´d say:

2008- just amazing
2006- beat Peak Federer and Nadal played almost perfect clay court tennis
2007
2005- young Rafa was faster and made only a few UE
2009- his only loss, but he was really strong. Soderling was just unplayable :worship:
2010- a bit overrated and he had an easy draw (Melzer in SF, needed 2 Tie-Breaks against Almagro)
2011- 5 Sets against Isner, big problems in the Final, 5-1 40-0 down against Andujar :o

RogerFedererNo1
11-26-2011, 12:42 PM
Nadal from 2006 to 2008 was his highest level on clay.

I agree 2010 is overrated on clay.

Off topic: to me Nadal from MC 2008 to AO 2009 was at his highest level on all surfaces. I'd consider that his peak, even more than 2010. I'd like to know what Rafa fans think about that.

I am not a Rafa fan, but I agree. Although Federer was past his peak, it´s not easy to beat him at French Open, Wimbledon and Australian Open. In 2010 the field was worse (Davydenko, del Potro OUT, Federer, Djokovic, Murray clowning).

GSMnadal
11-26-2011, 01:04 PM
Nadal from 2006 to 2008 was his highest level on clay.

I agree 2010 is overrated on clay.

Off topic: to me Nadal from MC 2008 to AO 2009 was at his highest level on all surfaces. I'd consider that his peak, even more than 2010. I'd like to know what Rafa fans think about that.

Yes, agree more or less...his clay game was at an absolute peak back then. The main thing was his backhand, right then it was (one of) the best backhand(s) on tour, in 2010 at times, it was almost as shaky as this year. In 08, it would never break down and he could defend so well off that wing.

In 2010 his serve was better than in 2008, and I do think that Rafa's wimbledon performance in 2010 was better than in 2008. Rafa's 2010 US Open might have been the most impressive tournament he's ever played though, considering it's not his best surface.

Saberq
11-26-2011, 01:08 PM
Yes, agree more or less...his clay game was at an absolute peak back then. The main thing was his backhand, right then it was (one of) the best backhand(s) on tour, in 2010 at times, it was almost as shaky as this year. In 08, it would never break down and he could defend so well off that wing.

In 2010 his serve was better than in 2008, and I do think that Rafa's wimbledon performance in 2010 was better than in 2008. Rafa's 2010 US Open might have been the most impressive tournament he's ever played though, considering it's not his best surface.

GSM Nadal you are my favorite Rafatard man but come on his Wimbledon 2008 was much much better than 2010 while his US Open 2010 was one of the biggest joke and lucky draws in Open era...I mean he won it fair and square but still ....

GSMnadal
11-26-2011, 01:18 PM
GSM Nadal you are my favorite Rafatard man but come on his Wimbledon 2008 was much much better than 2010 while his US Open 2010 was one of the biggest joke and lucky draws in Open era...I mean he won it fair and square but still ....

Well, Rafa was rusty in the beginning, but his draw was harder in 2010 than in 2008. I find the way he dominated big hitters like Soderling (after the first set) and Berdych and the always dangerous Murray very impressive. Maybe the quality wasn't always there (Haase, Petzschner), but he was more agressive and I like how he played in 2010 more.

Doesn't matter who you would've put against Rafa at the US Open, he was on a mission, he wasn't losing to anyone there. And he beat an already great Djokovic in the final. Nole really started rolling after he beat Federer there. Federer always was the biggest block for Novak, not Rafa. Look up the final again, Nadal put on an epic performance. The desperation on Novak's face was very telling, he probably thought he could never beat this Nadal again.

romismak
11-26-2011, 01:18 PM
2008- anyone agree - highest clay level from Rafa
2006- very high level, unbeatable at RG in that form too
2007- 2005- about the same, very high level of tennis, in 2005 he was more defensive but quicker, younger
2009- Rafa played great clay season, winning 2 clay Masters, Barca plus F at MAdrid- whit rest he would probably beat Roger, in that match against Robin he was average for his clay season standard and Robin was unplayable.
2010- overrated as whole his season, 2TB-s with Almagro and 1TB with Melzer- yes both in form, but RAfa from earlier years would crush them, he was lucky that Robin was waiting in F not in QF or he could easily lost
2011-what can we say, little confidence at start at RG, nothing extra, Isner, Andujar were troubling him like top clay-courters... this is his luckiest slam i think, Nole out of picture and even Roger could have beaten him in F but choked.

Singularity
11-26-2011, 01:21 PM
I think Nadal played quite poorly for his standards at FO 2010, until the final. He was dropping a lot of balls short. In the final he really stepped up his game though and played an amazing match.

His level this year wasn't particularly high, either, and he benefited from Federer's usual self-destruction in the final. IMO he's been in decline on clay since MC 2010.

Saberq
11-26-2011, 01:23 PM
Well, Rafa was rusty in the beginning, but his draw was harder in 2010 than in 2008. I find the way he dominated big hitters like Soderling (after the first set) and Berdych and the always dangerous Murray very impressive. Maybe the quality wasn't always there (Haase, Petzschner), but he was more agressive and I like how he played in 2010 more.

Doesn't matter who you would've put against Rafa at the US Open, he was on a mission, he wasn't losing to anyone there. And he beat an already great Djokovic in the final. Nole really started rolling after he beat Federer there. Federer always was the biggest block for Novak, not Rafa. Look up the final again, Nadal put on an epic performance. The desperation on Novak's face was very telling, he probably thought he could never beat this Nadal again.

Novak was already mentally out in that match after beating Fed....it's like that was good enough for him...I agree though that Rafa played some scary shit tennis I wont deny that

fsoica
11-26-2011, 02:37 PM
Nadal's french level?
I think it tends to 0. i've never heard the bull even trying to speak french :)

At least guga was trying back in the days ...

Maybe that's why they just cannot love him...oh, wait, it's not that..it's just that they love roger more ...

GSMnadal
11-26-2011, 02:45 PM
Nadal's french level?
I think it tends to 0. i've never heard the bull even trying to speak french :)

At least guga was trying back in the days ...

Maybe that's why they just cannot love him...oh, wait, it's not that..it's just that they love roger more ...

He did it in his victory speeches of 2010 and 2011 I believe.

And the French crowd can suck it, Rafa has 6 FO's and is the greatest clay courter of all time

viruzzz
11-26-2011, 02:47 PM
I think 2011 isn't deserved.
But when you analyse "Good-Nadal" level on clay (like the 2010 clay-season), it's fuckin unbeatable.
And yeah, Nadal 2008 was perfect-RG.

GSMnadal
11-26-2011, 05:13 PM
0Lx6WWfs7SI

Short clip for Nadal/Clay fans, in these dark indoor, Djokovic ruled times. Also recommend part 3 ;)

Start da Game
11-26-2011, 05:50 PM
absolutely fantastic idea and fantastic thread......his level of play in decreasing order at the french open over the years,

1. french open 2008 - untouchable......never before, never after......

2. french open 2007 - amazing stuff, check out his semis against djokovic......just ridiculous level of play.....

3. french open 2010 - so much intensity and grit can be found in this slam......high quality......

4. french open 2005 - he won this slam just with his great forehand and insane footspeed......

5. french open 2006 - average level through out the tournament......the fact that he still won it was very vital and established him as a clay great......his journey really kicked on with this title and it's my second favourite nadal FO win despite the average level of play......

6. french open 2011 - dampened spirit, no rhythm, dead backhand......picked it up for the final though......

7. french open 2009 - injury......

Saberq
11-26-2011, 05:54 PM
0Lx6WWfs7SI

Short clip for Nadal/Clay fans, in these dark indoor, Djokovic ruled times. Also recommend part 3 ;)

Novak had a set point in the 3rd set and day later Fed was destroyed ...just saying :cool:

Start da Game
11-26-2011, 05:58 PM
0Lx6WWfs7SI

Short clip for Nadal/Clay fans, in these dark indoor, Djokovic ruled times. Also recommend part 3 ;)

nadal won backhand to forehand exchanges with djokovic in that match......such high quality stuff......compared to that his backhand now is such a miserable shot......even dudi sela can attack it......

merryploughbhoy
11-26-2011, 06:15 PM
absolutely fantastic idea and fantastic thread......his level of play in decreasing order at the french open over the years,

1. french open 2008 - untouchable......never before, never after......

2. french open 2007 - amazing stuff, check out his semis against djokovic......just ridiculous level of play.....

3. french open 2010 - so much intensity and grit can be found in this slam......high quality......

4. french open 2005 - he won this slam just with his great forehand and insane footspeed......

5. french open 2006 - average level through out the tournament......the fact that he still won it was very vital and established him as a clay great......his journey really kicked on with this title and it's my second favourite nadal FO win despite the average level of play......

6. french open 2011 - dampened spirit, no rhythm, dead backhand......picked it up for the final though......

7. french open 2009 - injury......

8. french open 2012 - vulnerable, R4 exit after defeat against Tsonga......

tribalfusion
11-26-2011, 07:49 PM
nadal won backhand to forehand exchanges with djokovic in that match......such high quality stuff......compared to that his backhand now is such a miserable shot......even dudi sela can attack it......


That backhand was a totally different story there among other things. Movement seems to be quite a bit crisper as well.

GSMnadal
11-26-2011, 07:54 PM
That backhand was a totally different story there among other things. Movement seems to be quite a bit crisper as well.

Even the forehand. I had forgotten how good it was, it really went through the court and went up to shoulder height. Right now it just sits up and doesn't do nearly the damage it did back then. Therefore he is much more vulnerable to big hitters that he would just push back back then.

All relative ofcourse, his forehand is still one of the best in the business, and the best on clay.

Mountaindewslave
11-26-2011, 08:28 PM
OP your list is pretty accurate I think. Definitely 2009 / 2011 worst years, but does 2009 really count when he was injured??? :confused: 2008 and 2010 were pretty hot years

Mountaindewslave
11-26-2011, 08:33 PM
0Lx6WWfs7SI

Short clip for Nadal/Clay fans, in these dark indoor, Djokovic ruled times. Also recommend part 3 ;)

oh god Nadal has lost so much of what he had.... just watching this match, he looks so much more alive in it and even more agressive?? strange enough people say he is more agressive now than ever but maybe it's just lately it seems he has lost some power on his shots.

hope this player comes back, miss it

bounccer
11-27-2011, 08:15 AM
F0 2005, Already nearly unbeatable on clay

R128 Lars Burgsmuller (GER) 96 W 6-1, 7-6, 6-1
R64 Xavier Malisse (BEL) 46 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-4
R32 Richard Gasquet (FRA) 31 W 6-4, 6-3, 6-2
R16 Seb Grosjean (FRA) 24 W 6-4, 3-6, 6-0, 6-3
Q David Ferrer (ESP) 21 W 7-5, 6-2, 6-0
S Roger Federer (SUI) 1 W 6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3
W Mariano Puerta (ARG) 37 W 6-7, 6-3, 6-1, 7-5

FO 2006

R128 Robin Soderling (SWE) 50 W 6-2, 7-5, 6-1
R64 Kevin Kim (USA) 116 W 6-2, 6-1, 6-4
R32 Paul-H Mathieu (FRA) 32 W 5-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4
R16 Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 14 W 6-2, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2
Q Novak Djokovic (SRB) 63 W 6-4, 6-4 RET
S Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 4 W 6-4, 6-2, 7-6
W Roger Federer (SUI) 1 W 1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6

FO 2007 Very impressive

R128 Juan M Del Potro (ARG) 59 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-2
R64 Flavio Cipolla (ITA) 227 W 6-2, 6-1, 6-4
R32 Albert Montanes (ESP) 50 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-2
R16 Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 16 W 6-3, 6-1, 7-6
Q Carlos Moya (ESP) 26 W 6-4, 6-3, 6-0
S Novak Djokovic (SRB) 6 W 7-5, 6-4, 6-2
W Roger Federer (SUI) 1 W 6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4 (The best federer we have seen in this tournament)

FO 2008, no comment

R128 Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) 76 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-1
R64 Nicolas Devilder (FRA) 148 W 6-4, 6-0, 6-1
R32 Jarkko Nieminen (FIN) 26 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-1
R16 Fer Verdasco (ESP) 23 W 6-1, 6-0, 6-2
Q Nicolas Almagro (ESP) 20 W 6-1, 6-1, 6-1
S Novak Djokovic (SRB) 3 W 6-4, 6-2, 7-6
W Roger Federer (SUI) 1 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-0


FO 2009

R128 Marcos Daniel (BRA) 97 W 7-5, 6-4, 6-3
R64 Teym Gabashvili (RUS) 72 W 6-1, 6-4, 6-2
R32 Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 48 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-1
R16 Robin Soderling (SWE) 25 L 2-6, 7-6, 4-6, 6-7


FO 2010, awful competition...

R128 Gianni Mina (FRA) 655 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-2
R64 Horacio Zeballos (ARG) 44 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-3
R32 Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 33 W 6-3, 6-4, 6-3
R16 Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) 29 W 6-2, 7-5, 6-4
Q Nicolas Almagro (ESP) 21 W 7-6, 7-6, 6-4
S Jurgen Melzer (AUT) 27 W 6-2, 6-3, 7-6(6)
W Robin Soderling (SWE) 7 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-4

FO 2011

R128 John Isner (USA) 39 W 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 6-2, 6-4
R64 Pablo Andujar (ESP) 48 W 7-5, 6-3, 7-6(4)
R32 Antonio Veic (CRO) 227 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-0
R16 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 37 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-3
Q Robin Soderling (SWE) 5 W 6-4, 6-1, 7-6(3)
S Andy Murray (GBR) 4 W 6-4, 7-5, 6-4
W Roger Federer (SUI) 3 W 7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1