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Nadal: 'I've lost a bit of passion for the game'

abraxas21
11-25-2011, 01:10 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/atptour/8914764/Rafael-Nadal-cites-lack-of-passion-behind-early-ATP-World-Tour-Finals-exit-as-long-season-takes-toll.html

rafito is a broken man. djokovic first took the titles away from him and tben took his soul.

he'll be losing to donald young in challengers in a couple of years.

Shinoj
11-25-2011, 01:14 PM
I knew it, i knew it.... Games over folks :wavey:

Sri
11-25-2011, 01:28 PM
Rafa should get married, make some twins and realize how difficult family life is. He will automatically rediscover his passion for tennis ala Fed. :lol:

sicko
11-25-2011, 01:35 PM
Rafa, do you care you failed once again to win that chicken shit tournament in london?

0uxGfl-12Co

BroTree123
11-25-2011, 01:35 PM
Rafa, possibly trying his hardest to fly under the radar again :D

Filo V.
11-25-2011, 01:41 PM
No, he's not trying to fly under the radar. It's been quite obvious that the Nadal we're used to seeing, with fire, passion and energy, has not been there for a while. Once you lose that, it's hard to get it back, so more and more it looks difficult to see Nadal being able to dominate as previous.

Filo V.
11-25-2011, 01:42 PM
Kicking someone when their down is low brow, seriously. You don't have to like the man, but some basic human respect would suffice.

Chris Kuerten
11-25-2011, 01:49 PM
The mark of a true champion, giving up when it gets tough :o

Certinfy
11-25-2011, 01:49 PM
It's been obvious for quite a while, so credit to him that he admitted it. :shrug:

Shinoj
11-25-2011, 01:50 PM
The mark of a true champion, giving up when it gets tough :o


It aint Moonballing anymore :eek:

MaxPower
11-25-2011, 01:58 PM
Nah it's the Björn Borg syndrome. Just like him Rafito has his breakthrough at a very young age. Since then it's just been tennis, tennis and tennis and lots of success. Eventually every win isn't as fun anymore. Already rich and already peaked. More temptations of court. Hard to find motivation.

I could see him retiring early too. Not saying that he will but I could definitely see him doing a Borg

Filo V.
11-25-2011, 01:58 PM
I've lost a little respect for Nadal with this quote, thinking about it. These guys, like Djokovic and Murray, have shown they aren't scared of him anymore, and his response is basically to hold his head down and whine and effectively let them take the fun away from the game for him. Shows a lot of immaturity, and it shows me he doesn't really have the will or determination seen from other players.

timafi
11-25-2011, 02:04 PM
Getting your Spanish juevos handed to you and watching Gluten get in your face like that in Madrid must have really broken you Rafa.Get in line and go gluten-free as well :tape:

abraxas21
11-25-2011, 02:20 PM
I've lost a little respect for Nadal with this quote, thinking about it. These guys, like Djokovic and Murray, have shown they aren't scared of him anymore, and his response is basically to hold his head down and whine and effectively let them take the fun away from the game for him. Shows a lot of immaturity, and it shows me he doesn't really have the will or determination seen from other players.

relax, he also said this

"I am going to practise and I am going to do everything in my hands to be perfect for the beginning of 2012.

"This end of the year wasn't easy for me. That's hard to accept. But at the same time that's given me a little bit more of a goal for the beginning of 2012.

"My desire is there. My motivation I hope is the same. I will do it. If it's not enough, it's not going to be enough. But I will be satisfied with myself."

GSMnadal
11-25-2011, 02:20 PM
I've lost a little respect for Nadal with this quote, thinking about it. These guys, like Djokovic and Murray, have shown they aren't scared of him anymore, and his response is basically to hold his head down and whine and effectively let them take the fun away from the game for him. Shows a lot of immaturity, and it shows me he doesn't really have the will or determination seen from other players.

murray not afraid for nadal anymore? Because of that MM win in Tokyo? Murray still shits his pants when he sees Rafa in a slam.

Ofcourse other players are a lot more hungry than Rafa at the moment, they still have things to prove. You can only compare him with Federer, and I think Fed deserves credit for still being motivated, instead of taking anything away from Nadal. Nadal was the most determined player I've ever seen when he was younger, willing to adapt his game to also be successful off clay and winning everything. Talk about determination!

abraxas21
11-25-2011, 02:22 PM
murray not afraid for nadal anymore? Because of that MM win in Tokyo? Murray still shits his pants when he sees Rafa in a slam.

Ofcourse other players are a lot more hungry than Rafa at the moment, they still have things to prove. You can only compare him with Federer, and I think Fed deserves credit for still being motivated, instead of taking anything away from Nadal. Nadal was the most determined player I've ever seen when he was younger, willing to adapt his game to also be successful off clay and winning everything. Talk about determination!

:lol:

no, it's the other way around. the courts adapted to nadal

Riosreigned
11-25-2011, 02:25 PM
He's telling the truth, credit to Rafa he always keeps it real and he is genuine always. His passion is not as strong as it was when he was first bursting on the scene as a young bull. Rafa may never have the passion as strong as it once was in the days of his youth when everything was new and exciting. Uncle Toni needs to find new ways to motivate and inspire Rafa. Changes are needed.

GSMnadal
11-25-2011, 02:25 PM
:lol:

no, it's the other way around. the courts adapted to nadal

rubbish...take a look at how Rafa played us open 06 or something and how he did in 2010. Same goes for Wimbledon. Wimbledon hasn't changed in those years, and the us open was still quick when he won it

Sham Kay
11-25-2011, 02:28 PM
Goes to show. The key to facing off and beating the toughest of opposition and winning the toughest of tournaments requires mass loads of resilience and motivation. He still has the resilience in abundance I think, it's just difficult to hold onto the motivation with the strain Nadal has put on his mind and body throughout his career, more strain in fact than anyone in history.

The Davis cup tie coming up might actually be a blessing. Fighting for his country and teammates rather than just for himself might spark the fire he has been desperately searching for lately. Success and the rest afterwards will do wonders for his state going into Aussie.

Noleta
11-25-2011, 02:30 PM
Give the guy a break,he is stating the obvious,it it's been quite clear that he's not the same guy on court,since the USOpen:awww:I'm sure he'll comeback stronger next year,and if Spain wins the DC,that will give him a huge boost.:)

MuzzahLovah
11-25-2011, 02:31 PM
Well, maybe he'll discover there is more to life than tennis, instead of pathetically clinging on to past glory like others I could name.
Maybe Nadal should pull a Clijsters, have a baby, get some hair plugs and come back in a couple years.

lilygotsilly
11-25-2011, 02:39 PM
Indoors is not his thing. He actually would have a hard time at Wimbledon if it was the soft ground/slick grass of the 90s. Or if we used carpet indoors like in the day (or still on challengers) he would never come close to winning.

His talent had a very narrow window. He worked hard to improve, but all of the improvements werent just hard work on a tennis court . And now all of it has taken a toll on his body.

Has everyone forgotten the Australian open - or all the other events this year where he was "sick".. The guy has killed his body in more ways than one.

Plus he's so obsessed with Federer his whole career, Djokovic snuck up and now he's losing to both!

Add in that he's simply not that good indoors - even slow indoors, which is so much about the Return game - and Nadal simply was never great on return of serve (though he's improved there too)

Basically the s*** is hitting the fan - BUT , expect a great performance in Sevilla for Davis Cup next week - ITS ON CLAY. But I think his body has been beaten - inside and out-- he says he was practicing well leading in - but more "stomach flu" at the beginning of the week vs Fish.. this needs to be ironed out - if it can

Sapeod
11-25-2011, 02:44 PM
:clap2:

Orka_n
11-25-2011, 02:45 PM
Sounds like Borg to me.
Nadal might be exaggerating though. We'll see.

lilygotsilly
11-25-2011, 02:48 PM
rubbish...take a look at how Rafa played us open 06 or something and how he did in 2010. Same goes for Wimbledon. Wimbledon hasn't changed in those years, and the us open was still quick when he won it

"Putting your head in the sand because Nadal is your hero" is rubbish. I have had fights on emails with the people at Brimingham about the grass and what they have done.. Even they say its changed - but they say they had nothing to do with it.

Either way , the ground is harder and bounces more - overall its probably actually faster than the 90s --- the speed isnt the thing- its the bounce - it used to be slippy - now its a nice medium bounce - even at the start of the tournament now - and even at Queens.

Its DIRTBALL now , not grass - but even dirtball requirres different skills than Clay and Nadal has worked hard to do well - he deserves credit. But real grass with soft base is what they used in Australia for Davis Cup - Nadal would have struggled there.

When they build clay courts they adjust the pace and bounce by the rate of compaction of , not only the crushed brick on top, but also the soil beneath.. which can be anything from tepetate to crushed stone. The more compact = more bounce , more pace. Less compact = less bounce , less pace. With the right compaction , plus the right type of ball they can get a slippy clay surface -- HAMBURG AND BASTAD --- and they play with this all the time.

abraxas21
11-25-2011, 02:49 PM
rubbish...take a look at how Rafa played us open 06 or something and how he did in 2010. Same goes for Wimbledon. Wimbledon hasn't changed in those years, and the us open was still quick when he won it

rafito hasn't changed his style since he started playing the game. he's always been a moonballer and remains a moonballer to this day. the only reasons he's been successful is (a) slowing down of the courts and (b) mug era. his draw in the USO was pathetically bad and another sign of the aforementioned 2 reasons.

samanosuke
11-25-2011, 02:50 PM
he is too dumb to quit . somebody needs to tell him that

lilygotsilly
11-25-2011, 02:52 PM
One more thing on the Grass is the seed mix they use. They have tried to strengthen the grass from the past due to all the abuse from the players in the modern game. Back in the day they were more "gentle" and didnt tear into courts like they do today. But this more resilient grass also slows the ball down a bit. And it still tears up anyway !

Also, the ball was not slowed or changed in size - BUT a much stronger, felt was used so that it fluffs up and gets slow quickly now --

So the ball, top grass and base have all changed to make the Wimbledon couts bouncy and possibly slower -

nobama
11-25-2011, 03:03 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/atptour/8914764/Rafael-Nadal-cites-lack-of-passion-behind-early-ATP-World-Tour-Finals-exit-as-long-season-takes-toll.html

rafito is a broken man. djokovic first took the titles away from him and tben took his soul.

he'll be losing to donald young in challengers in a couple of years.
the ultimate sandbagger doing what he does best. Uncle foni has trained him well. And he has to be laughing his ass off every time the media willfully laps it up. :D

Commander Data
11-25-2011, 03:03 PM
Kicking someone when their down is low brow, seriously.

Shows a lot of immaturity, and it shows me he doesn't really have the will or determination seen from other players.

:scratch:

GSMnadal
11-25-2011, 03:09 PM
rafito hasn't changed his style since he started playing the game. he's always been a moonballer and remains a moonballer to this day. the only reasons he's been successful is (a) slowing down of the courts and (b) mug era. his draw in the USO was pathetically bad and another sign of the aforementioned 2 reasons.

your hate for Rafa has blinded you and it couldn't be more telling than in this post... take a look at the beijing Olympics and the us open 2010 final, or any of his Wimbledon 2010 matches. Rafa is very capable of playing great attacking tennis, he just often resolves to his defensive nature. But his ability to play aggressively, got him past some deciding moments against very dangerous players. Slower courts helped, but Rafa showed he is a great all court player. There are still incredibly large differences between the surfaces of the four slams.

Sophocles
11-25-2011, 03:21 PM
Sad to hear.

I actually mean that.

BigJohn
11-25-2011, 03:29 PM
Rafa, possibly trying his hardest to fly under the radar again :D

Bingo.

EddieNero
11-25-2011, 03:50 PM
Nadal didn't lose the passion, his body is letting him down now and needs to find some excuses desperately.
If Rafa really lost it, he wouldn't fight for 3 sets with Fish and Tsonga.

martinatreue
11-25-2011, 03:52 PM
I've lost a little respect for Nadal with this quote, thinking about it. These guys, like Djokovic and Murray, have shown they aren't scared of him anymore, and his response is basically to hold his head down and whine and effectively let them take the fun away from the game for him. Shows a lot of immaturity, and it shows me he doesn't really have the will or determination seen from other players.

Quotes like this will turn me into a Rafa fan. Give me a break dude. He is just feeling a bit down and exhausted. He has played a ton of difficult matches too. A lot of the depression and burnout can just come from playing such tough matches. His practice sessions are also a bit insane IMO. He needs to diversify his game but before that can happen he just needs to feel like enjoying the game. I don't really care for his game much at all but I do admire his achievements and there is no need to be so hard on him. :wavey: just my two cents.

Clay Death
11-25-2011, 03:54 PM
It's been obvious for quite a while, so credit to him that he admitted it. :shrug:

affirmative. i think he speaks the truth.

illness, injuries, and the like dont help matters either.


i still expect him to do better in 2012 than he did in 2011. i just do not see him giving up the big hunt.

tennis2tennis
11-25-2011, 03:56 PM
purleez come 2012 and we'll be ooing and aaaahing about the return of the 'spartan warrior' from the depth of dispair :rolleyes:

green25814
11-25-2011, 03:59 PM
One more thing on the Grass is the seed mix they use. They have tried to strengthen the grass from the past due to all the abuse from the players in the modern game. Back in the day they were more "gentle" and didnt tear into courts like they do today. But this more resilient grass also slows the ball down a bit. And it still tears up anyway !

Also, the ball was not slowed or changed in size - BUT a much stronger, felt was used so that it fluffs up and gets slow quickly now --

So the ball, top grass and base have all changed to make the Wimbledon couts bouncy and possibly slower -

Conversely, if they switched the grass back to the original type grinding it out from the back would become a suboptimal strategy, and the courts would last longer.

alter ego
11-25-2011, 04:00 PM
Nadal didn't lose the passion, his body is letting him down now and needs to find some excuses desperately.
If Rafa really lost it, he wouldn't fight for 3 sets with Fish and Tsonga.

Nadull has never been consistent on a fast surface. If Tsonga is healthy/not comming back after injury he will always be favourite on a fast court against Nadal.

Shinoj
11-25-2011, 04:04 PM
Nadal didn't lose the passion, his body is letting him down now and needs to find some excuses desperately.
If Rafa really lost it, he wouldn't fight for 3 sets with Fish and Tsonga.

Thats right. He is too much of a B*****d to give hope like that. He has been worked out quite emphatically by the players. Now he is finding some excuses.

First "2010 Rafa had something more"

and now this.

Gagsquet
11-25-2011, 04:08 PM
switch to golf

martinatreue
11-25-2011, 04:11 PM
I wonder if he will have his Spartan citizenship revoked though? Oh no :(

Roadmap
11-25-2011, 04:19 PM
Next year could be Nadull's last. It is a real possibility.

fast_clay
11-25-2011, 04:22 PM
the truth that The Brotherhood Of Nadal do their best to keep from everyone of us is that nadal is a product of the mind of one man alone - Tio Tone...

Uncle Tony is the backbone... the spine... the very lifeblood of Team Nadal... this year, Rafa attempted to emerge as his own man a book detailed...

but, this attempt for individuality was a mistake... every carefully scripted word by Uncle Toni is now questioned by Rafa... and so, he has come to question his very own existence and what it all means... having just now understood that your very own soul is so totally owned by another who completely built who you are... to come to the realisation that you are a mere puppet in the theatre of another man - crikey, i feel for rafa because i cannot even begin to imagine such a scenario in my own life...

finding your own feet in life should not cost you so much... i feel for the guy and believe that the upcoming tie with argentina will only compound the hurt inside...

Roadmap
11-25-2011, 04:23 PM
:lol:

no, it's the other way around. the courts adapted to nadal

More truthful words have rarely been spoken (or typed). :cool:

nobama
11-25-2011, 04:25 PM
purleez come 2012 and we'll be ooing and aaaahing about the return of the 'spartan warrior' from the depth of dispair :rolleyes:
yep. Amazing that people still fall for this shit. I've never known a top player to set the bar so low for themselves in my life. :o

Filo V.
11-25-2011, 04:39 PM
relax, he also said this
You should have posted the entire quote in the OP :p

Naudio Spanlatine
11-25-2011, 04:57 PM
i know baby i know its ok, you can go home and go back to your backyard and practice with our :devil:SPANISH ARMANDA:devil:, im still proud of you and still love you:sad: :hug: :smooch: :crying2: :sobbing: :bigcry:

samanosuke
11-25-2011, 04:58 PM
i know baby i know its ok, you can go home and go back to your backyard and practice with our :devil:SPANISH ARMANDA:devil:, im still proud of you and still love you:sad: :hug: :smooch: :crying2: :sobbing: :bigcry:

nothing against you but if you want to save your dignity better remove anything connected with foxy from your signature

Lucilla
11-25-2011, 05:05 PM
I dont understand u guys
he said he want be perfect for 2012 :)

Naudio Spanlatine
11-25-2011, 05:07 PM
nothing against you but if you want to save your dignity better remove anything connected with foxy from your signature

no i will not remove my sigy at all of what Foxy said, i love this sigy quote and i will keep it for a long time:p

Naudio Spanlatine
11-25-2011, 05:12 PM
purleez come 2012 and we'll be ooing and aaaahing about the return of the 'spartan warrior' from the depth of dispair :rolleyes:

yep. Amazing that people still fall for this shit. I've never known a top player to set the bar so low for themselves in my life. :o

if you two would have some respect for this man than i would love you, you keep punishing him for being honest, WHAT YOU WANNA HEAR HIM LIE TO EVERYONE AND SAY THAT MY YEAR WAS THE BEST EVER?:rolleyes: i cant believe you guys are tennis fans, Rafa has been nothing but respect to your hero and all you do is spit in his face and throw bricks at him, well you can both get heart and a brain and kiss my ass, cause im not about to let you be so effin cold to a player who deserves respect from you pathetic dumbass fools, YOU SICK LIFELESS PUNKS:o:o:o

philosophicalarf
11-25-2011, 05:18 PM
Did anyone else speedread this thread title as Nadal: "I've lost a bit of potion for the game"?

Honest!

Corey Feldman
11-25-2011, 05:18 PM
Wimp

only happy when he's winning everything

boot was on the other foot when he was squashing Fed everywhere in 2006 but Fed didnt give up like this and feel sorry for himself

Johnny Groove
11-25-2011, 05:19 PM
Nah it's the Björn Borg syndrome. Just like him Rafito has his breakthrough at a very young age. Since then it's just been tennis, tennis and tennis and lots of success. Eventually every win isn't as fun anymore. Already rich and already peaked. More temptations of court. Hard to find motivation.

I could see him retiring early too. Not saying that he will but I could definitely see him doing a Borg

Yup. Nadal I think has more desire for the game than Borg did. Borg retired officially in January of 83. Will Nadal retire in January of 2013?

Goes to show. The key to facing off and beating the toughest of opposition and winning the toughest of tournaments requires mass loads of resilience and motivation. He still has the resilience in abundance I think, it's just difficult to hold onto the motivation with the strain Nadal has put on his mind and body throughout his career, more strain in fact than anyone in history.

The Davis cup tie coming up might actually be a blessing. Fighting for his country and teammates rather than just for himself might spark the fire he has been desperately searching for lately. Success and the rest afterwards will do wonders for his state going into Aussie.

Agreed. This Davis Cup will be huge for Nadal, like it was in 2004 when it propelled him into the stratosphere. This 2011 final, poetically at the same Sevilla venue, could do much the same for Nadal, but this time to re-ignite his fire.

Sad to hear.

I actually mean that.

I think you mean it. Wow.

the truth that The Brotherhood Of Nadal do their best to keep from everyone of us is that nadal is a product of the mind of one man alone - Tio Tone...

Uncle Tony is the backbone... the spine... the very lifeblood of Team Nadal... this year, Rafa attempted to emerge as his own man a book detailed...

but, this attempt for individuality was a mistake... every carefully scripted word by Uncle Toni is now questioned by Rafa... and so, he has come to question his very own existence and what it all means... having just now understood that your very own soul is so totally owned by another who completely built who you are... to come to the realisation that you are a mere puppet in the theatre of another man - crikey, i feel for rafa because i cannot even begin to imagine such a scenario in my own life...

finding your own feet in life should not cost you so much... i feel for the guy and believe that the upcoming tie with argentina will only compound the hurt inside...

:lol:

Drugs Ruin Lives
11-25-2011, 05:40 PM
No, you're just awful.

DDrago2
11-25-2011, 05:48 PM
More truthful words have rarely been spoken (or typed). :cool:

Right so, and some of us are saying this since 2008 when Nadal was seen as a clay-court specialist. Nobody thought he can do much on Wimbledon, US Open etc., but then suddenly all the surfaces started becoming slower, while more topspin friendly, and draws were getting less random... always in Nadals favor.

sexybeast
11-25-2011, 05:50 PM
no i will not remove my sigy at all of what Foxy said, i love this sigy quote and i will keep it for a long time:p

The sig doesnt make any sense because a global apocalypse is the result of things we find dangerous like an epidemy or nuclear weapons. It is like saying Iam afraid 3 things will kill me: sickness, war and death.

Shinoj
11-25-2011, 05:59 PM
In Short Coaching 101 by Toni has ended.

Start da Game
11-25-2011, 06:00 PM
i said six months ago that his source of motivation is djokovic 2.0......no chicken shit tournament and no toast player can bring the best out of him, plus he feels a little worn out at this point......

he means exactly what i said, that he is just not motivated, in other words the stage and the players are just not big enough to motivate him......somebody can bump my thread, it must be lying somewhere......

nothing up for grabs except a blue coloured cheap ribbon and a muggy steel vessel......if this was a slam and the opponent was djokovic, he would have fought tooth and nail.....

it's all in the mind......come australian open, nobody can beat him if he is just fit......even for djokovic and that too if he is fully fit, it will take 5 hours just to take nadal to the fifth set......

sco
11-25-2011, 06:06 PM
your hate for Rafa has blinded you and it couldn't be more telling than in this post... take a look at the beijing Olympics and the us open 2010 final, or any of his Wimbledon 2010 matches. Rafa is very capable of playing great attacking tennis, he just often resolves to his defensive nature. But his ability to play aggressively, got him past some deciding moments against very dangerous players. Slower courts helped, but Rafa showed he is a great all court player. There are still incredibly large differences between the surfaces of the four slams.

Do you think it's coincidence that winning 3 GSs in a year has been done 5 times in the past 8 years when it was accomplished only 2 times in the previous 34? The surfaces are so homogenized now that soon a calendar GS will probably happen. No one has benefitted more from the homogenization than Nadal. Do you seriously think he'd be winning Wimbledon if the grass were the low-bouncing, slick, fast surface of the past? He'd be a sitting duck for every fast serving, hard hitter with a two-handed backhand. Be thankful for the homogenization or Nadal would be a 7 time GS winner (or 6 time if AO were still on grass) and Fed would have more GSs to his name. When I see posts about Nadal and GOAT contention, it makes me shake my head. Nadal's great claim to fame is being the 2nd best clay court player ever and his nightmare match-up and subsequent dominance of GOAT Fed. Even if Nadal continues to win FOs, I still think Borg would take him on clay by virtue of his better serve.

That's saying - Nadal will be back.

hipolymer
11-25-2011, 06:07 PM
So much for the greatest mental player of all time...

Nole fan
11-25-2011, 06:08 PM
Goes to show. The key to facing off and beating the toughest of opposition and winning the toughest of tournaments requires mass loads of resilience and motivation. He still has the resilience in abundance I think, it's just difficult to hold onto the motivation with the strain Nadal has put on his mind and body throughout his career, more strain in fact than anyone in history.

The Davis cup tie coming up might actually be a blessing. Fighting for his country and teammates rather than just for himself might spark the fire he has been desperately searching for lately. Success and the rest afterwards will do wonders for his state going into Aussie.

I think the problem is his uncle. He is depesperate to be his own man, freed himself from the burden of being reprimanded like a child everytime. Look at federer... he's always been his own man. That makes him free, independent, he does everything for himself, doesn't need to respond to anyone else. I think that's liberating. Rafa only listens and shuts up like a child. That's how he summed up his relationship with his coach. I think he's done with that, he needs to be his own man. And then he will get back the passion.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-25-2011, 06:11 PM
I think the problem is his uncle. He is depesperate to be his own man, freed himself from the burden of being reprimanded like a child everytime. Look at federer... he's always been his own man. That makes him free, independent, he does everything for himself, doesn't need to respond to anyone else. I think that's liberating. Rafa only listens and shuts. That's how he summed up his relationship with his coach. I think he's done with that, he needs to be his own man. And then he will get back the passion.

i agree with this, rafa needs to be his own man, he needs to let toni go and start getting back into what got him 10 grand slams, i really think that he will get better next year, i also want him to be a lil more smarter with he schedule, i want him to save energy and still continue to work harder on the courts and be the warrior gladiator he always has been, im sure he'll do better next year:)

guga2120
11-25-2011, 06:15 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/atptour/8914764/Rafael-Nadal-cites-lack-of-passion-behind-early-ATP-World-Tour-Finals-exit-as-long-season-takes-toll.html

rafito is a broken man. djokovic first took the titles away from him and tben took his soul.

he'll be losing to donald young in challengers in a couple of years.

A fedtard clown, hoping Rafa is finished, what a shocker. Don't worry he will be back. Most fedtards wish all the tournaments were like this, and many others where that clown has won. Novak,Rafa, and Andy not healthy and Federer swoops in takes a title. The only way he can do it anymore.

Matt01
11-25-2011, 06:15 PM
Rafa :hug:

Come back strong in 2012 :yeah:

rafito hasn't changed his style since he started playing the game. he's always been a moonballer and remains a moonballer to this day. the only reasons he's been successful is (a) slowing down of the courts and (b) mug era. his draw in the USO was pathetically bad and another sign of the aforementioned 2 reasons.


:bs:

Boognish
11-25-2011, 06:16 PM
Has anyone pointed out that the quote was taken out of context

Matt01
11-25-2011, 06:20 PM
Right so, and some of us are saying this since 2008 when Nadal was seen as a clay-court specialist. Nobody thought he can do much on Wimbledon, US Open etc., but then suddenly all the surfaces started becoming slower, while more topspin friendly, and draws were getting less random... always in Nadals favor.


Oh my :rolls:

The Magician isn't with us anymore but you are certainly a good replacement :yeah: You are still lacking some certain words in your posts like "ATP mafia" etc. :rolls:

Ichiban1920
11-25-2011, 06:21 PM
Good, hopefully this talentless moonballing mug retires.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-25-2011, 06:21 PM
yes we always will have mostly fedtards hating on nole and rafa for their hard work and dedication, even if they change their games and played at their best they still give them bricks and stones for being honest sportsman and being great athletes......

:facepalm:

Start da Game
11-25-2011, 06:23 PM
once a player steps on to the court, he's on his own dee and nina......nadal is at his deadliest best when his genius is coupled with uncle toni's guidance......that's how it has to be for the rest of his career......fed changed a lot of coaches and is more dependent on the coach than what most think.......toni roche modeled federina's one dimensional first strike tennis(which was more than sufficient in weak era) into a more mature and thoughtful approach......poor old man doesn't get any credit for it because of the pathetic blind worshiping......

even now when he was getting desperate and hopeless, he hired annacone and asked him how to win the 17th slam......annocone said that slams don't grow on trees and that he needs to change his approach.....he also insisted on targeting the season end tournaments so that he can first collect a few cheap titles and then work towards winning another slam when both novak and nadal are injured......

alter ego
11-25-2011, 06:28 PM
A fedtard clown, hoping Rafa is finished, what a shocker. Don't worry he will be back. Most fedtards wish all the tournaments were like this, and many others where that clown has won. Novak,Rafa, and Andy not healthy and Federer swoops in takes a title. The only way he can do it anymore.

:haha:
The spartans are injured again? What was the problem this time, vagina infections ?

Shinoj
11-25-2011, 06:30 PM
i said six months ago that his source of motivation is djokovic 2.0......no chicken shit tournament and no toast player can bring the best out of him, plus he feels a little worn out at this point......

he means exactly what i said, that he is just not motivated, in other words the stage and the players are just not big enough to motivate him......somebody can bump my thread, it must be lying somewhere......

nothing up for grabs except a blue coloured cheap ribbon and a muggy steel vessel......if this was a slam and the opponent was djokovic, he would have fought tooth and nail.....

it's all in the mind......come australian open, nobody can beat him if he is just fit......even for djokovic and that too if he is fully fit, it will take 5 hours just to take nadal to the fifth set......

He doesnt have any tooth and nail left. He needs to take a Boat from Mallorca and go to Iceland or somewhere.:lol:

Shinoj
11-25-2011, 06:34 PM
All this Drama shown by Djokovic and Nadal just shows how great Federer really is.

He is 30. Has spent around 12 or 13 years on the Tour. Still in his twilight he competes in all the major trophies and at the Year End Tournament is looking favourite to win the Tournament and with NO WHINING.

Djokovic had a good season allright but now after taking a good long rest and pulling out of tournaments early he cant compete in a Bets of 3 Sets coz he is emotionally exhausted.:rolleyes:

This is no Federer he is Goderer.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-25-2011, 06:38 PM
All this Drama shown by Djokovic and Nadal just shows how great Federer really is.

He is 30. Has spent around 12 or 13 years on the Tour. Still in his twilight he competes in all the major trophies and at the Year End Tournament is looking favourite to win the Tournament and with NO WHINING.

Djokovic had a good season allright but now after taking a good long rest and pulling out of tournaments early he cant compete in a Bets of 3 Sets coz he is emotionally exhausted.:rolleyes:

This is no Federer he is Goderer.

that jus shows you why fed keeps switching coaches because he desperately is trying to beat rafa and nole at their best......oh wait...............hes not so goderer isnt he......

Shinoj
11-25-2011, 06:40 PM
that jus shows you why fed keeps switching coaches because he desperately is trying to beat rafa and nole at their best......oh wait...............hes not so goderer isnt he......



When he didnt have a coach he was beating the Tour for around a year in 2004 or so.

Start da Game
11-25-2011, 06:44 PM
When he didnt have a coach he was beating the Tour for around a year in 2004 or so.

would anyone even need a coach for a year like 2004?

Myrre
11-25-2011, 06:48 PM
would anyone even need a coach for a year like 2004?

No. Huge disadvantage back then when geniuses like Uncle Phony wasn't around.

HKz
11-25-2011, 06:50 PM
i said six months ago that his source of motivation is djokovic 2.0......no chicken shit tournament and no toast player can bring the best out of him, plus he feels a little worn out at this point......

he means exactly what i said, that he is just not motivated, in other words the stage and the players are just not big enough to motivate him......somebody can bump my thread, it must be lying somewhere......

nothing up for grabs except a blue coloured cheap ribbon and a muggy steel vessel......if this was a slam and the opponent was djokovic, he would have fought tooth and nail.....

it's all in the mind......come australian open, nobody can beat him if he is just fit......even for djokovic and that too if he is fully fit, it will take 5 hours just to take nadal to the fifth set......

Always, just always with more excuses and reasons. When will this tard da fail ever learn?

Nole fan
11-25-2011, 06:53 PM
All this Drama shown by Djokovic and Nadal just shows how great Federer really is.

He is 30. Has spent around 12 or 13 years on the Tour. Still in his twilight he competes in all the major trophies and at the Year End Tournament is looking favourite to win the Tournament and with NO WHINING.

Djokovic had a good season allright but now after taking a good long rest and pulling out of tournaments early he cant compete in a Bets of 3 Sets coz he is emotionally exhausted.:rolleyes:

This is no Federer he is Goderer.T
Why the need to always compare everyone with Federer? These guys are hugely successful and talented in their own way, they don't need to be regarded as goats for eternity. :rolleyes:
Call him Goderer, JesusFed, Madre Teresa, whatever makes you happy. He can have his records, I'll take Nole, Murray and Rafa over him anytime. :)

shiaben
11-25-2011, 06:56 PM
Yeah, guys stick to the thread. Stop bringing Federer into every off topic conversation.

Start da Game
11-25-2011, 06:57 PM
Always, just always with more excuses and reasons. When will this tard da fail ever learn?

learn the difference between reason and excuse, fool.....

Pirata.
11-25-2011, 06:58 PM
that jus shows you why fed keeps switching coaches because he desperately is trying to beat rafa and nole at their best......oh wait...............hes not so goderer isnt he......

He's the only person who has beaten peak Novak this year :shrug:

HKz
11-25-2011, 07:10 PM
learn the difference between reason and excuse, fool.....

You're the fool that has a stutter on his period key, in love with Nadal and always posts more fail comments every single day, regardless or Nadal winning or losing just to make your lover look better or worse. So when is Nadal going to hire you as his spokeswoman? You would sincerely be perfect.


Fool.

Ibracadabra
11-25-2011, 07:11 PM
Expected, awaiting a retirement announcement

Start da Game
11-25-2011, 07:22 PM
You're the fool that has a stutter on his period key, in love with Nadal and always posts more fail comments every single day, regardless or Nadal winning or losing just to make your lover look better or worse. So when is Nadal going to hire you as his spokeswoman? You would sincerely be perfect.


Fool.

posting only when your god is eating the leftover by nadal and djokovic.....shut it and pack up.....

Corey Feldman
11-25-2011, 07:26 PM
Madre Teresa at 30 meanwhile is hungry for more toast

Beat
11-25-2011, 07:29 PM
well, he's still picking his ass like a madman, so things can't be all bad :shrug:

Bilbo
11-25-2011, 07:30 PM
Credits to Nadal for admitting a weakness he's suffering at the moment. Most men are not able to say things like that.

doomsday
11-25-2011, 07:46 PM
Great news now just retire.

HKz
11-25-2011, 07:50 PM
posting only when your god is eating the leftover by nadal and djokovic.....shut it and pack up.....

This is the logic of fail posters like tard da fail:

Anything Nadal hasn't won is a shit tournament (IE Master's Cup, Paris, Cincinnati, etc)

I remember how they used to berate the US Open about how it was a crap tournament with "blind crowds" and poor surface, etc, etc. Then when Nadal won it at last, it was suddenly a legitimate slam again.

MuzzahLovah
11-25-2011, 07:52 PM
T
Why the need to always compare everyone with Federer? These guys are hugely successful and talented in their own way, they don't need to be regarded as goats for eternity. :rolleyes:
Call him Goderer, JesusFed, Madre Teresa, whatever makes you happy. He can have his records, I'll take Nole, Murray and Rafa over him anytime. :)

Seriously. He could have actually won a golden slam, Fed is still a hard guy to warm up too. And anyway, all the fairweather fans who hadn't said a peep about him all season are now on everywhere making everything about him, just because he won a few indoor tournaments.

SetSampras
11-25-2011, 08:11 PM
I don't get how you could passion in the prime of you career when you have gotten 10 slams and have a good chance to break the slam record within a few years. A bit of a weird time to lose passion IMO

Shirogane
11-25-2011, 08:28 PM
Has anyone pointed out that the quote was taken out of contextI hope so. Basically he feels a bit tired because it's the end of the season – well, not for him, not yet. I guess he'll be ready to run again come January. :shrug:

stewietennis
11-25-2011, 08:34 PM
Out of context thread title was taken out of context

Boognish
11-25-2011, 08:58 PM
Yeah seriously did anyone here even read the article

Guy Haines
11-25-2011, 09:00 PM
A plainspoken bit of truth inspires:

-- a Dolgo fan tut-tutting that champions never quit

-- a lecture from Filo about maturity

-- blind idiocy about court surface and speed

Gotta love MTF, all nonsense all the time.

It's actually good he's admitting it, a step towards making a change.

Nole fan
11-25-2011, 09:00 PM
Yeah seriously did anyone here even read the article

Yeah i did and he doesn't say anything remarkable of being discussed here. He's tired, that's all. Haters want him to retire so bad. :rolls:

ssj100
11-25-2011, 09:01 PM
No point in taking what players say straight after a match as gospel. They are just reacting. Of course if you lose, or you've been losing a lot more than usual, you will tend to feel tired and lacking motivation.

I really don't understand the "hate" for Federer from some of the posters here. Any logical and sensible mind would have to at least admit Federer is one of the greatest tennis players of all time. Just as any logical and sensible mind would have to at least admit that Nadal is one of the greatest tennis players of all time. There's no point in trying to diminish their achievements - arguments could also be made that Gonzalez, Laver, Borg, McEnroe, Connors, Lendl, Sampras, Agassi etc all played in "mug" eras - eg. the depth of tennis back in those decades is no where near what it is now.

Skill and success is all relative. But you can't prove that the skill level has dropped over time - however, you can prove with certain statistics that a player is great. And both Federer and Nadal have some incredible statistics.

Looner
11-25-2011, 09:10 PM
Seriously. He could have actually won a golden slam, Fed is still a hard guy to warm up too. And anyway, all the fairweather fans who hadn't said a peep about him all season are now on everywhere making everything about him, just because he won a few indoor tournaments.

I don't expect you to understand why people love and admire Federer. Just by comparing their slam records Fed has won 16 and Murray 0. That means you've never felt the happiness of the the player you support winning a slam. Jealousy is understandable but don't let it cloud your judgement. Murray is nowhere near RF. End of. :wavey:

Mountaindewslave
11-25-2011, 09:23 PM
this is sort of misquoted as he just barely mentions that. he said in the interview that he was 'tired' and that his passion may have been less than usual because of that...

abraxas you get an award for distorting words to try and spark controversy, you should be ashamed of yourself as a fan but maybe proud of yourself as a troll?

it's a long season at it's end, he just lost, he's a bit tired, who cares???

at the start of 2012 if he barely mentions 'a loss of passion' in an interview then it would mean something, but not now right after a loss. waste of a thread

Mountaindewslave
11-25-2011, 09:24 PM
Yeah i did and he doesn't say anything remarkable of being discussed here. He's tired, that's all. Haters want him to retire so bad. :rolls:

Nole fan is 100% right, this is so pointless, haters looking for the worst and taking 1% of an article/interview to make a point that doesn't even apply. tennis players get tired.... for gosh sakes, he is one of the players who complained about the length of the season, what did you all expect??

Singularity
11-25-2011, 09:34 PM
even now when he was getting desperate and hopeless, he hired annacone and asked him how to win the 17th slam......annocone said that slams don't grow on trees and that he needs to change his approach.....he also insisted on targeting the season end tournaments so that he can first collect a few cheap titles and then work towards winning another slam when both novak and nadal are injured......
Where did he say any of this?

Egreen
11-25-2011, 10:02 PM
Grinder's malaise after 7 seasons in a row in the top 2, duh.

Timariot
11-25-2011, 10:12 PM
I don't get how you could passion in the prime of you career when you have gotten 10 slams and have a good chance to break the slam record within a few years. A bit of a weird time to lose passion IMO

It's not the years, its the mileage. Nadal is old in 'tennis years', plus his style is very taxing. I hope he does not burn out yet, but based on precedents, it would not surprise me.

fmolinari2005
11-25-2011, 10:17 PM
I don't see what is the big deal. Everybody, even those who love what they do for a living, sometimes lose passion for what they do. But since this is Nadal, it will turn into a big discussion and drama.

It is actually a bit refreshing reading a quote from Nadal that stay away from the usual manufactured things he says on press conferences. Good for him for speaking his mind. Federer never said those things out loud, but it was clear from the way he was acting on the courts that he felt the same way from time to time. And it didn't mean that he was about to retire.

tektonac
11-25-2011, 10:23 PM
after so many grueling years on the tour it is totally expected.

Mr. Oracle
11-25-2011, 10:47 PM
If he retires, no one can take away his legendary accomplishments. Every star burns out eventually.

fast_clay
11-25-2011, 10:51 PM
nadal needs to use some of that cash he won and buy some perspective... absolutely disgraceful that a role model like him would be open about his selfishness like this...

nole_no1
11-25-2011, 10:53 PM
rafito is a broken man. djokovic first took the titles away from him and tben took his soul.


:devil:

Corey Feldman
11-25-2011, 10:55 PM
when he squashes Argentina next week and wins the cup you will see him full of the joys of life again

JurajCrane
11-25-2011, 11:02 PM
once a player steps on to the court, he's on his own dee and nina......nadal is at his deadliest best when his genius is coupled with uncle toni's guidance......that's how it has to be for the rest of his career......fed changed a lot of coaches and is more dependent on the coach than what most think.......toni roche modeled federina's one dimensional first strike tennis(which was more than sufficient in weak era) into a more mature and thoughtful approach......poor old man doesn't get any credit for it because of the pathetic blind worshiping......

even now when he was getting desperate and hopeless, he hired annacone and asked him how to win the 17th slam......annocone said that slams don't grow on trees and that he needs to change his approach.....he also insisted on targeting the season end tournaments so that he can first collect a few cheap titles and then work towards winning another slam when both novak and nadal are injured......

Firstly I don´t want to write you anything, cause it is useless, as I see.

But after little while, have to told you, that you are the most stupid poster on MTF. ;)

Corey Feldman
11-25-2011, 11:09 PM
:lol:

Naudio Spanlatine
11-25-2011, 11:11 PM
:devil:

you bad lil boy how dare you rip his soul out :devil: :sobbing:

swisht4u
11-25-2011, 11:35 PM
Nadal will be alright.
He lost his #1 and to tell the truth was slapped around like never before(except maybe in his younger years at home).
So he probably said more than what he should.


He'll rest up, put things in perspective and be ready for next year.
That's all you can ask from him no matter how it turns out, he'll do what he can.

Vamos!!!

thrust
11-25-2011, 11:36 PM
Kicking someone when their down is low brow, seriously. You don't have to like the man, but some basic human respect would suffice.

Kicking players, when they are down, is very common here.

habibko
11-26-2011, 12:04 AM
he always had an excuse for the latter part of the season :zzz:

samanosuke
11-26-2011, 01:08 AM
no i will not remove my sigy at all of what Foxy said, i love this sigy quote and i will keep it for a long time:p

bad decision

freeandlonely
11-26-2011, 01:22 AM
plz don't retire
I want to see him get destroyed on a regular basis

tennisfan856
11-26-2011, 01:34 AM
Kicking someone when their down is low brow, seriously. You don't have to like the man, but some basic human respect would suffice.

Mikhail Kukushkin would like a word with you.

tennisfan856
11-26-2011, 01:40 AM
I think the problem is his uncle. He is depesperate to be his own man, freed himself from the burden of being reprimanded like a child everytime. Look at federer... he's always been his own man. That makes him free, independent, he does everything for himself, doesn't need to respond to anyone else. I think that's liberating. Rafa only listens and shuts up like a child. That's how he summed up his relationship with his coach. I think he's done with that, he needs to be his own man. And then he will get back the passion.

this is it....and I hope he prevails over the mental death grip uncle tony has.

Topspindoctor
11-26-2011, 01:46 AM
Nadal can still win more slams. Only haters will claim otherwise.

Saberq
11-26-2011, 01:47 AM
Nadal can still win more slams. Only haters will claim otherwise.

of course he can and he will win more .....he lost 6 straight sets at WTF 09...and what did he do in 2010???Exactly ...haters gonna hate

Action Jackson
11-26-2011, 01:47 AM
Kicking someone when their down is low brow, seriously. You don't have to like the man, but some basic human respect would suffice.

Don't be a hypocrite.

fast_clay
11-26-2011, 02:00 AM
of course he can and he will win more .....he lost 6 straight sets at WTF 09...and what did he do in 2010???Exactly ...haters gonna hate

:spit: lame

Saberq
11-26-2011, 02:13 AM
:spit: lame

maybe but it's true :devil:

atennisfan
11-26-2011, 05:00 AM
Well, maybe he'll discover there is more to life than tennis, instead of pathetically clinging on to past glory like others I could name.
Maybe Nadal should pull a Clijsters, have a baby, get some hair plugs and come back in a couple years.

The one who you accuse of clinging on to past glory has the most fulfilled, balanced, complete life of any tennis players.

Now, if only Muzzah can get married, has twins, win masters, beat world's #1 and #2 in majors, and still ranked at #3.
But no, Muzzah prefer a habit of an old has-been: bending over in majors, withdrawing from tournaments, and whining that the season is too long.

:wavey:

Topspindoctor
11-26-2011, 05:02 AM
Well, maybe he'll discover there is more to life than tennis, instead of pathetically clinging on to past glory like others I could name.
Maybe Nadal should pull a Clijsters, have a baby, get some hair plugs and come back in a couple years.

Nadal won a slam this year. What has Mugray done in his whole career? Win Bangkok? lol...

atennisfan
11-26-2011, 05:05 AM
of course he can and he will win more .....he lost 6 straight sets at WTF 09...and what did he do in 2010???Exactly ...haters gonna hate

True. But he was 2 years younger.

HoorayBeer
11-26-2011, 05:34 AM
The one thing Nadal has not lost passion for is making excuses for losing.

dabeast
11-26-2011, 06:17 AM
Where did he say any of this?

:lol: He didn't, but look who you're talking to.

Mountaindewslave
11-26-2011, 06:25 AM
The one thing Nadal has not lost passion for is making excuses for losing.

who says it's an excuse, he's tired and he's less interested at the moment because of that. Megan Fox (or whatever, some random gorgeous woman) might offer to have sex with you and normally you'd jump on that in a heartbeat, but if you're really really tired you just won't give a shit and will go right back to sleep. my point? even if you love things or are interested in them, if you're tired and have lost a lot lately (maybe in our example's case, had a close call with a disease ridden hooker), then you might be honest about it. why not? Nadal just is saying how he feels, don't take that as an excuse, if you get diagnosed by HIV you just say it, it's not about excuses, it's about expressing yourself and your state of condition

mickymouse
11-26-2011, 06:38 AM
Every year, at the WFT, Nadal displays this jaded attitude. Why do people still bother to comment on it?

BroTree123
11-26-2011, 07:02 AM
Haters throwing out biased opinions. What else is new?

BroTree123
11-26-2011, 07:05 AM
who says it's an excuse, he's tired and he's less interested at the moment because of that. Megan Fox (or whatever, some random gorgeous woman) might offer to have sex with you and normally you'd jump on that in a heartbeat, but if you're really really tired you just won't give a shit and will go right back to sleep. my point? even if you love things or are interested in them, if you're tired and have lost a lot lately (maybe in our example's case, had a close call with a disease ridden hooker), then you might be honest about it. why not? Nadal just is saying how he feels, don't take that as an excuse, if you get diagnosed by HIV you just say it, it's not about excuses, it's about expressing yourself and your state of condition

:superlol:

fast_clay
11-26-2011, 07:33 AM
the title would be more credible if it read 'I've lost a bit of hair'

addison
11-26-2011, 07:40 AM
Taken completely out of context and mistranslated. As usual MTF is all over a rumor.

Here's the quote verbatim:


Q. Do you feel that you haven't been at your very best form since the US Open? If so, why would that be?
RAFAEL NADAL: No, in the Davis Cup of Spain after US Open, I played great. In Tokyo I played one of my best sets of the year against Murray, the first set. Yeah, after that wasn't my best, that's true.

Q. Why is that?
RAFAEL NADAL: Seriously I can talk one hour for that. Is because of lot of things. Because probably I was little bit less passion for the game probably because I was a little bit more tired than usual.


So, after playing the whole gruelling season and then great DC semis and even the beginning of Tokyo, he felt a bit more tired and therefore had a bit less of chispa (Spanish for "spark") from then on.

See the difference between that and "Nadal lost his passion for tennis"? He simply explains his physical and mental freshness have been a bit lower since Tokyo, as compared to the beginning of the season.

MuzzahLovah
11-26-2011, 08:03 AM
Taken completely out of context and mistranslated. As usual MTF is all over a rumor.

Here's the quote verbatim:


Q. Do you feel that you haven't been at your very best form since the US Open? If so, why would that be?
RAFAEL NADAL: No, in the Davis Cup of Spain after US Open, I played great. In Tokyo I played one of my best sets of the year against Murray, the first set. Yeah, after that wasn't my best, that's true.

Q. Why is that?
RAFAEL NADAL: Seriously I can talk one hour for that. Is because of lot of things. Because probably I was little bit less passion for the game probably because I was a little bit more tired than usual.


So, after playing the whole gruelling season and then great DC semis and even the beginning of Tokyo, he felt a bit more tired and therefore had a bit less of chispa (Spanish for "spark") from then on.

See the difference between that and "Nadal lost his passion for tennis"? He simply explains his physical and mental freshness have been a bit lower since Tokyo, as compared to the beginning of the season.

So he's retiring then?

Manequin75
11-27-2011, 04:06 AM
oh my goodness. You guys seem to be giving too much credit to Nadal's english :). He often throws these words - passion, motivation, illusion etc. and sometimes i am not even sure he understands how they differ from each other and in what context he should be using these. Rafa is mentally burned and very disappointed that the year didn't turn the way he had expected after 2010. He had nine slams and was going for the Rafa slam. Novak was supposed to be just same ole novak. Rafa might have fancied his chances of pulling off the Rafa Slam and then going on to win French and Wimbledon again to at least get to 12 slams. Even though he publicly thinks getting to 16 is impossible you couldn't help but imagine he was thinking about it. And then Rafa gets sick and injured and the Rafa slam evaporates. That had to hurt. Then we have the second coming of Novak and Rafa painfully loses one big title after another to him. First the pair of outdoor master titles in the US, then a pair of clay master titles (are you kidding me). ANd then WIMBLEDON. Then USO. As a fan I was spent and just disillusioned and felt like turning away from tennis for some time and I just did that. Imagine how much of a stronger emotional drain Rafa himself must have gone through. All of a sudden 16 slams is a pipe dream even in his illusions. ANd same Novak questions everyday and all these other niggling injuries. Post USO, it was tough to stay motivated on anything.

It is very natural what rafa is going through. Now he has to forget about 16 or any of the records and just try to compete and begin 2012 at his very best. Davis cup next week should be a boost for him as he is immensely patriotic and winning something for his country and teammates will be just what the doctor ordered. So it seems Rafa might not be rewriting history as he might have secretly thought beginning of this year. He needs to be able to get up in the morning with the resolve to try his best and live for just 2012 and do his best. I think we will see a rafa resurgence next year - nothing out of the world dominance but a very good Rafa and he might grab 2 slams. He is going to be pumped up for OLYMPICS. He knows he won it 4 years ago and if he wins it again he would have denied everybody in his generation or at least his main rivals a shot at it. I doubt Fed, murray and novak would be what they are four years hence. Hoping for a Rafa run through the clay season next year and getting wins at WIMBLEDON and OLYMPICS.

we shall see :)

Crisstti
11-27-2011, 04:52 AM
I don't see what is the big deal. Everybody, even those who love what they do for a living, sometimes lose passion for what they do. But since this is Nadal, it will turn into a big discussion and drama.

It is actually a bit refreshing reading a quote from Nadal that stay away from the usual manufactured things he says on press conferences. Good for him for speaking his mind. Federer never said those things out loud, but it was clear from the way he was acting on the courts that he felt the same way from time to time. And it didn't mean that he was about to retire.

Fed has said some similar things I think... at least I heard him say in some 2010 (I believe) interview something like that, though in a more impersonal way... something about how they would have to wait and see if Rafa would be less motivated, like it happens to players when they have won a lot.

Taken completely out of context and mistranslated. As usual MTF is all over a rumor.

Here's the quote verbatim:


Q. Do you feel that you haven't been at your very best form since the US Open? If so, why would that be?
RAFAEL NADAL: No, in the Davis Cup of Spain after US Open, I played great. In Tokyo I played one of my best sets of the year against Murray, the first set. Yeah, after that wasn't my best, that's true.

Q. Why is that?
RAFAEL NADAL: Seriously I can talk one hour for that. Is because of lot of things. Because probably I was little bit less passion for the game probably because I was a little bit more tired than usual.


So, after playing the whole gruelling season and then great DC semis and even the beginning of Tokyo, he felt a bit more tired and therefore had a bit less of chispa (Spanish for "spark") from then on.

See the difference between that and "Nadal lost his passion for tennis"? He simply explains his physical and mental freshness have been a bit lower since Tokyo, as compared to the beginning of the season.

A sensible post...

What an amount of garbage some people post here... one has to just scroll down past most posts.

oh my goodness. You guys seem to be giving too much credit to Nadal's english :). He often throws these words - passion, motivation, illusion etc. and sometimes i am not even sure he understands how they differ from each other and in what context he should be using these. Rafa is mentally burned and very disappointed that the year didn't turn the way he had expected after 2010. He had nine slams and was going for the Rafa slam. Novak was supposed to be just same ole novak. Rafa might have fancied his chances of pulling off the Rafa Slam and then going on to win French and Wimbledon again to at least get to 12 slams. Even though he publicly thinks getting to 16 is impossible you couldn't help but imagine he was thinking about it. And then Rafa gets sick and injured and the Rafa slam evaporates. That had to hurt. Then we have the second coming of Novak and Rafa painfully loses one big title after another to him. First the pair of outdoor master titles in the US, then a pair of clay master titles (are you kidding me). ANd then WIMBLEDON. Then USO. As a fan I was spent and just disillusioned and felt like turning away from tennis for some time and I just did that. Imagine how much of a stronger emotional drain Rafa himself must have gone through. All of a sudden 16 slams is a pipe dream even in his illusions. ANd same Novak questions everyday and all these other niggling injuries. Post USO, it was tough to stay motivated on anything.

It is very natural what rafa is going through. Now he has to forget about 16 or any of the records and just try to compete and begin 2012 at his very best. Davis cup next week should be a boost for him as he is immensely patriotic and winning something for his country and teammates will be just what the doctor ordered. So it seems Rafa might not be rewriting history as he might have secretly thought beginning of this year. He needs to be able to get up in the morning with the resolve to try his best and live for just 2012 and do his best. I think we will see a rafa resurgence next year - nothing out of the world dominance but a very good Rafa and he might grab 2 slams. He is going to be pumped up for OLYMPICS. He knows he won it 4 years ago and if he wins it again he would have denied everybody in his generation or at least his main rivals a shot at it. I doubt Fed, murray and novak would be what they are four years hence. Hoping for a Rafa run through the clay season next year and getting wins at WIMBLEDON and OLYMPICS.

we shall see :)

Very, very good points. It must have been mentally exhausting for him. And the injury at the AO must have been very upsetting :(

merryploughbhoy
11-27-2011, 09:51 AM
Well thats what a blow out defeat probaly does to a player.

ballbasher101
11-27-2011, 02:45 PM
The passion is only there when he is winning. When he is losing the passion is no longer there ;). Time for him to retire if the passion is truly not there. Trust me he will not retire. Those beatings by Djokovic have got to him. He is used to having his own way but finally players seem to be getting to him. Loss of passion, what a load of nonsense.

tennis2tennis
12-16-2011, 07:54 AM
Rafa: I lacked intensity, passion, accuracy

Ticker - Thursday, December 15, 2011

In an interview with DPA, Rafael Nadal says that the key to a more successful 2012 will be to rest more and to regain some mental freshness. Nadal won Roland Garros for a sixth time, but lost to current world No. 1 Novak Djokovic in six finals.

Nadal also denied that he has serious physical problems. "It’s been mental exhaustion, but I hope to overcome these past months that have not been positive," said Nadal, who added that he has never seen a psychologist and isn’t planning on hiring one. "I've missed a little passion for the game, the intensity of my shots, strength in my legs and mental intensity. The most important thing lacking is the mental strength that leads to everything else… The main thing is to play again with the passion and intensity needed."

Nadal says that while he does not mind analysts saying that his mental strength is his best weapon, "People are very wrong when they say that I am a physical player. There are many people who can run faster than me."

The Spaniard disputed the contention of Boris Becker and other analysts who said that one of the reasons for his losses to Djokovic was that he went cross-court too much to the Serb's backhand, his stronger side.

"That’s too simple," Nadal said. "I don’t believe that. At times this year when I played him I have not been at the level [that I was in the past], and that’s the reality. That my forehand is not harmful to his backhand ... well it hurt him in the past, at Indian Wells, at Miami [where Nadal lost tight three-setters]. I see it more a mental issue. Maybe I hit three shots from the baseline and have been able to last to the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh ... With just three maybe I [wasn’t effective enough], but with more maybe I will be. That's what I have to do next year, not just against him, but also against the whole world."

Nadal added that he began to encounter problems with his serve after the start of the year, has a "coordination complex," and in order to do better in 2012, that he must serve harder and more accurately. He also said that his reflexes slowed in 2011 and he must return to normal.

GSMnadal
12-16-2011, 08:01 AM
Let me guess, you came up with this title :rolleyes:

That'll get things going in this thread. Don't see anything that's not true in this interview.

He was on his way beating Novak in IW and Miami, now wasn't he? He has the game to beat Djokovic, fact.

Castafiore
12-16-2011, 08:06 AM
Link please

Forehander
12-16-2011, 08:06 AM
great passion for the sport you love is a sign of a great champion.

bokehlicious
12-16-2011, 08:37 AM
Typical bitter humbalito

Guga_fan
12-16-2011, 09:18 AM
His level may have dropped at Madrid and Wimbledon (after the 2nd set), but even in those occasions he would probably have lost anyway.

Langers
12-16-2011, 09:28 AM
Ummmm this is the worst thread ever. You should be a journalist, with this gutter thread. :rolleyes:

alter ego
12-16-2011, 09:28 AM
Bitter tool from Spain is crying like little girl.:lol:

Action Jackson
12-16-2011, 09:48 AM
http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=15399&zoneid=25

gaitare
12-16-2011, 09:58 AM
People are very wrong when they say that I am a physical player. There are many people who can run faster than me.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 10:02 AM
lack of everything but shits stay committed to him

Foxy
12-16-2011, 10:04 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Feds, Murray, Djokovic and Ferrer to name just a few who now run faster than Nadal. So it is pretty much true what Nadal says.

gaitare
12-16-2011, 10:10 AM
Feds, Murray, Djokovic and Ferrer to name just a few who now run faster than Nadal. So it is pretty much true what Nadal says.

Yeah, presumably Bolt runs faster than Nadal too.

I know your brain cell work ethic leaves a lot to be desired, but Nadal's utterance consists of two sentences, not one.

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 10:11 AM
Feds, Murray, Djokovic and Ferrer to name just a few who now run faster than Nadal. So it is pretty much true what Nadal says.

i always knew that Fed is more physical player than nadal, just you are the first who said that openly . now i can finally leave my closet

henke007
12-16-2011, 10:12 AM
Nadull's excuses NID. I hope Nole plays Monte Carlo aswell this year.

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 10:15 AM
that arrogant swiss should listen humablito . injuries are child excuses, real men defeats in finals justifying with lack on passion and motives . shame on you swiss egoist

Shinoj
12-16-2011, 10:27 AM
Xisca here i come.. :drive::hatoff:

Castafiore
12-16-2011, 10:31 AM
Thanks for the link, AJ.


The thread title is misleading (because he never said it that way) but that's to be expected from the OP. :p
Tennis.com doesn't have the best reputation at taking over interviews either.

DPA stands for Deutsche Presse Agentur. The interview was done by Sebastian Fest (who writes for the German and the Spanish press). Fest has a very good reputation as a sports journalist.

I'll try to translate the original interview (at least, the bits that are related to this) in an effort to get closer to what he actually said. Not that it will matter for the OP and others, but perhaps some would like to read the actual Q&A.

My translation:
Q: You’re accentuating the mental aspect very strongly. Have you considered hiring a psychologist?
Nadal: I’ve never done so and I never will. Of course, I have full respect for the work of a psychologist. Just not in tennis. A psychologist has more important things to work on.

Q: Is the 2012 season the biggest challenge of your career so far?
Nadal: Noooooo

Q: It’s an Olympic year. You would like to find back your old strength and you would like to turn over a leaf in your duel against Djokovic. That’s quite a lot…
Nadal: No, it’s not that much. It’s a year in which I will have to improve my inner strength. It’s not about beating Djokovic but about focusing on improving yourself. All the rest is secondary. The most important thing is to be able to find the fighting spirit and intensity again. We will have to find out if that’s going to be enough. I want to improve again, even if I have to suffer for it.

Q: The 2011 season was not your best with “only” one grand slam tournament victory and you ended the year as world number two. Which role did your physical problems play in all of this?
Nadal: In the previous years, a lot has been said about my injuries. It’s true that I had physical problems. However, if I would have had a serious physical problem, I wouldn’t have been able to end seven consecutive years within the world top 2.

Q: But your game takes a lot of strength. Does it require more strength from you than from other players?
Nadal: No, it’s about the mental aspect. Everybody has their own style but perhaps I have to concentrate more than a Federer, a Murray or a Djokovic.

Q: So, the wear and tear is bigger for you than for others?
Nadal: There’s mental wear and tear. However, I do hope that I will have put the previous months behind me. They weren’t good. The training went well, but when it was time to play the tournaments, I lacked a bit of fighting spirit in my game, power in my shots and in my legs as well as mental strength. The rest depends on this.

Q: Does it bother you when they say that your head is your best weapon?
Nadal: It doesn’t bother me. I think it’s a mistake to say that I’m a physical player. There are many who run more than I do.

Q: But mental strength is an advantage.
Nadal: When you’re tired in your mind, it will show. That’s obvious. I have to be mentally strong. That was always one of my strenghts and I will have to work to make sure that it will stay that way.Full interview in German: Es gibt einen mentalen Verschleiss (http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/1248903)


Judging on previous interviews with Nadal, what he means to say - I think - is that it's not right to focus on beating one particular player, but you need to focus on your own strenghts and weaknesses and work on that. He has always said that you can't focus too much on others, you need to start with yourself.
There's no part of this interview where he says that Novak defeated him because his level dropped.


Edit: OP changed the thread title. Thanks. :hatoff:

MatchFederer
12-16-2011, 10:51 AM
At first I was outraged by Rafa's words, but given the true nature of the interview as revealed by Castafiore, I now believe his words were unacceptable and a horrendous slur on tennis as it is. Disgraceful!
Just kidding.

Nathaliia
12-16-2011, 11:25 AM
After he gets married, passion and intensity will disappear from his life completely :zzz:

BigJohn
12-16-2011, 11:39 AM
also lacking: hair

Sophocles
12-16-2011, 11:59 AM
That my forehand is not harmful to his backhand ... well it hurt him in the past, at Indian Wells, at Miami [where Nadal lost tight three-setters]. I see it more a mental issue.[/B] Maybe I hit three shots from the baseline and have been able to last to the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh ... With just three maybe I [wasn’t effective enough], but with more maybe I will be.

So Nadal's cunning plan for beating Djokovic is to hit even more moonballs to his backhand.

Good luck with that.

tennis2tennis
12-16-2011, 12:21 PM
just like i thought some on this site are grade A - righteous baloney hypocrites!

Why haven't the endless misinterpreted Roger thread titles been altered? God knows there's plenty to choose from! But when Rafa's interviews are dissected...it's a case of 'how could you... he didn't mean that' well ..blah blah blah...

analysing his duel with Novak Rafa gives zero credit to Novak's own level just the fact that he's going through some 'mental fart' period and that his level dropped...that's his ONLY explanation for why Novak's been on top in 2011!

Seriously imagine Roger giving that interview and lets see how many of 'outraged' rafa fans would be as objective and honest!

now I'm off to lift the lid on the murder of princess Di and the Kennedy brothers assasinations

bokehlicious
12-16-2011, 12:26 PM
Why haven't the endless misinterpreted Roger thread titles been altered by the OP? God knows there's plenty to choose from! But when Rafa's interviews are dissected...it's a case of 'how could you... he didn't mean that' well ..blah blah blah...

MTF has always been like that, humbalito rafalove can't do no wrong while the jerky arrogant swiss can't do no good :shrug:

Time Violation
12-16-2011, 12:29 PM
So Nadal's cunning plan for beating Djokovic is to hit even more moonballs to his backhand.

That was always his plan :p

Commander Data
12-16-2011, 12:34 PM
The coin toss still underrented.

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 12:38 PM
The coin toss still underrented.

actually a good point. loosing the coin toss in wimby finals was the last nail in the coffin . how life could be cruel sometimes

Castafiore
12-16-2011, 12:42 PM
Seriously imagine Roger giving that interview and lets see how many of 'outraged' rafa fans would be as objective and honest!
:spit: Yes, because the talk about Rafa on MTF is very objective and honest. :rolls:

Seriously, anybody who would start a thread like yours with a fake quote from Federer as the thread title would be burried on MTF by his vast army of loyal defenders and the link to the original article would also be added in a flash with a bunch of "he tells it like it is :inlove:" non-replies to boot.
This is how the game is played. Don't get your knickers in a twist. :hug:

The difference is that if you're a Federer fan, you will be bothered to check out the actual interview to see if the articles based on the interview was correct. If you're not a Federer fan, you won't bother.
Same applies to other players. You're not a Nadal fan, so you couldn't be bothered. That's understandable.

bokehlicious
12-16-2011, 12:45 PM
Seriously, anybody who would start a thread like yours with a fake quote from Federer as the thread title would be burried on MTF by his vast army of loyal defenders and the link to the original article would also be added in a flash with a bunch of "he tells it like it is :inlove:" non-replies to boot.

I will dig out some of Linda's threads on Roger's quotes. You'll compare the numbers of replies from "defenders" and haters.

tennis2tennis
12-16-2011, 12:52 PM
:spit: Yes, because the talk about Rafa on MTF is very objective and honest. :rolls:

Seriously, anybody who would start a thread like yours with a fake quote from Federer

seriously what fake quote? I said Rafa said he lost to nole 'cause his level dropped ...how's the fuck is that a fake quote?

Castafiore
12-16-2011, 12:53 PM
I will dig out some of Linda's threads on Roger's quotes. You'll compare the numbers of replies from "defenders" and haters.
I'll expect a full report with links and statistics in a PowerPoint presentation on Monday. Bonus points if you can uncover the deleted replies from defenders and haters to make the statistics complete.

Those threads from Linda received a HUGE reply. Within seconds of posting, Linda would have been countered to no end.
+
Linda wouldn't have thrown her toys out of her pram when she was busted trying to manipulate part of an interview.

Castafiore
12-16-2011, 12:58 PM
seriously what fake quote? I said Rafa said he lost to nole 'cause his level dropped ...how's the fuck is that a fake quote?
Look at the actual interview (DPA, not tennis.com). He talks about a lack of intensity and such but where in that interview does he say: "Novak defeated me because my level dropped".

Your quote is your interpretation of what he said but it's not a direct quote.

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 01:02 PM
for dumb people i can try whit my broken english explain the meaning of rafa words . " i am loosing to djokovic just because i am not on my best level, and that's just because i don't have passion for game like i had before when i still didn't win everyhing, if i am on highest level i am better than djokovic and that's reality " . if you didn't understand, rafa is clearly more humble than my english is developed

Logical
12-16-2011, 01:14 PM
Nadal did not meant Novak beat him because his level dropped. :wavey:Fedull Tard mugs are haters. hate for Nadal is more then their love for Tennis and Fedull.

Orka_n
12-16-2011, 01:26 PM
Nadal did not meant Novak beat him because his level dropped. :wavey:Fedull Tard mugs are haters. hate for Nadal is more then their love for Tennis and Fedull.:lol: Love for tennis? You would stop watching this sport if Rafa retired. Quiet down.

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 01:32 PM
one instant classic of 2011 . maybe this will return rafa's passion when he sees his father's passion for the game


3w_zPeQfW6E

Logical
12-16-2011, 01:34 PM
:lol: Love for tennis? You would stop watching this sport if Rafa retired. Quiet down.This coming from a FedullTard:spit:

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 01:35 PM
threads about nadal are for me the best part of mtf . always getting the best from me

Logical
12-16-2011, 01:47 PM
one instant classic of 2011 . maybe this will return rafa's passion when he sees his father's passion for the game


3w_zPeQfW6E
http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/mirka-vavrinec-aussie09b.jpg?w=450
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/60/197578-federer_cry.jpg

Passion will return by seeing this pictures of Melbourne 2009:wavey:

MatchFederer
12-16-2011, 01:57 PM
Nadal did not meant Novak beat him because his level dropped. :wavey:Fedull Tard mugs are haters. hate for Nadal is more then their love for Tennis and Fedull.

Your username still confuses me.. about that?

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 02:00 PM
http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/mirka-vavrinec-aussie09b.jpg?w=450
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/60/197578-federer_cry.jpg

Passion will return by seeing this pictures of Melbourne 2009:wavey:


doubt. first he has to kindly ask this guy if he could return his balls back


http://www.dnevno.hr/images/800/42491.jpg

arm
12-16-2011, 02:06 PM
just like i thought some on this site are grade A - righteous baloney hypocrites!

Why haven't the endless misinterpreted Roger thread titles been altered? God knows there's plenty to choose from! But when Rafa's interviews are dissected...it's a case of 'how could you... he didn't mean that' well ..blah blah blah...

analysing his duel with Novak Rafa gives zero credit to Novak's own level just the fact that he's going through some 'mental fart' period and that his level dropped...that's his ONLY explanation for why Novak's been on top in 2011!

Seriously imagine Roger giving that interview and lets see how many of 'outraged' rafa fans would be as objective and honest!

now I'm off to lift the lid on the murder of princess Di and the Kennedy brothers assasinations

MTF has always been like that, humbalito rafalove can't do no wrong while the jerky arrogant swiss can't do no good :shrug:

You two have got to be kidding. :baby: :lol: Roger love here is far superior than Rafa love. Nothing to complain about.

Logical
12-16-2011, 02:08 PM
doubt. first he has to kindly ask this guy if he could return his balls back


http://www.dnevno.hr/images/800/42491.jpgIf Dogig gives his balls what will he have?:confused: pluck your balls and drop inside his short?:lol:

nole_no1
12-16-2011, 02:09 PM
Nadull's excuses NID. I hope Nole plays Monte Carlo aswell this year.

This

Nadal just can't get over with the fact that Djokovic was superior this year can he?

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 02:25 PM
If Dogig gives his balls what will he have?:confused: pluck your balls and drop inside his short?:lol:

don't overreact, and be greedy . rafito will maybe get his own balls back, dodig balls are too heavy luggage for those glassy knees

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 02:27 PM
and logical it's time to give it up . the floor is almost clean

Johnny Groove
12-16-2011, 02:32 PM
Seems as though Rafa's tennis issues are more mental than physical.

After he gets married, passion and intensity will disappear from his life completely :zzz:

When he gets married, it will go down hill. When Xisca gets pregnant, it will go down hill faster. When the baby comes, Rafa is done.

tennis2tennis
12-16-2011, 02:43 PM
You two have got to be kidding. :baby: :lol: Roger love here is far superior than Rafa love. Nothing to complain about.

Seriously dude I'm not saying that Roger doesn't suffer from foot in mouth disease sometimes...but Rafa has a tenancy to have a dig at people in a more subtle way than Roger and it gets over-looked

when he's explaining his H2H with nole this year he omits any mention or credit to nole..he only talks about his short-comings and in that respect I didn't misquote or fake quote him

tennis2tennis
12-16-2011, 02:44 PM
Look at the actual interview (DPA, not tennis.com). He talks about a lack of intensity and such

the "and such" is MY LEVEL DROPPED!!!!!!!!

helvet empire
12-16-2011, 02:57 PM
stop moaning crybaby, you lack talent that's all:cool:

it was all good while you could run like a 20 year old fresh new pro tennis player:rolleyes:
but now you run slower, you're exhausted by years of moonballing: you are now history (and not a glorious page of history I might add):devil:

arm
12-16-2011, 03:15 PM
Seriously dude I'm not saying that Roger doesn't suffer from foot in mouth disease sometimes...but Rafa has a tenancy to have a dig at people in a more subtle way than Roger and it gets over-looked

when he's explaining his H2H with nole this year he omits any mention or credit to nole..he only talks about his short-comings and in that respect I didn't misquote or fake quote him

Rafa has given far more credit to Nole than Roger ever did. Do I really need to quote Roger's post match interview after USO semi final? :scratch:

Roger is the one who refuses to give Nole any credit or praising.

EddieNero
12-16-2011, 03:44 PM
Yes Rafa, lack of intensity in your shots surely derives from mental exhaustion. :haha:
Nadal can't reconcile himself to the fact of his own decline, also can't accept that his body refuses to bear those sick pressures anymore.
The guy should consider himself lucky he can still run and move like a normal person instead taking a part in wheelchair racing and finally stop complaining about everything.

Foxy
12-16-2011, 03:50 PM
Rafa's level dropped and Novak's level "uppped". Everybody sees that. What is the arguing here all about?
That doesn't mean it will not be the opposite next year. Actually it is far more likely to be just the opposite next year.

samanosuke
12-16-2011, 03:55 PM
nadal never had level

EddieNero
12-16-2011, 03:57 PM
Rafa's level dropped and Novak's level "uppped". Everybody sees that. What is the arguing here all about?
That doesn't mean it will not be the opposite next year. Actually it is far more likely to be just the opposite next year.

If this kind of thinking makes you happy then yes, Nadal will revert the rivarly in 2012.

Sophocles
12-16-2011, 03:58 PM
Rafa has given far more credit to Nole than Roger ever did. Do I really need to quote Roger's post match interview after USO semi final? :scratch:

Roger is the one who refuses to give Nole any credit or praising.

The significant difference is that Federer was in control of the match the first 2 sets and later served for it, so not unreasonably felt he should have won. Since Miami, Djoker hasn't given Nadull a chance. As for praise, what about Fed's words at the net at R.G.?

arm
12-16-2011, 04:21 PM
The significant difference is that Federer was in control of the match the first 2 sets and later served for it, so not unreasonably felt he should have won. Since Miami, Djoker hasn't given Nadull a chance. As for praise, what about Fed's words at the net at R.G.?

What did Roger say? I don't know. :shrug: :o

Look, I don't mean to turn this thread around as it is all about Rafa not Roger. But I wasn't the one who turned the attention to Roger. I just find a bit childish that someone would come here to complain that Roger is more often misinterpreted than Rafa in this forum. :lol: There are far more Roger fans / Nadal haters here and the other way around.

And don't come telling me that Roger was in control os the USO semi because that doesn't make his press conference any less of a joke. I do agree, that Rafa tends to blame himself for 2011 a bit too much and should agree that mostly it was all about Nole not himself. But as a Djoko fan I feel that Rafa respects and gives Nole a lot more credit than Roger does.

Sophocles
12-16-2011, 05:08 PM
What did Roger say? I don't know. :shrug: :o

Look, I don't mean to turn this thread around as it is all about Rafa not Roger. But I wasn't the one who turned the attention to Roger. I just find a bit childish that someone would come here to complain that Roger is more often misinterpreted than Rafa in this forum. :lol: There are far more Roger fans / Nadal haters here and the other way around.

And don't come telling me that Roger was in control os the USO semi because that doesn't make his press conference any less of a joke. I do agree, that Rafa tends to blame himself for 2011 a bit too much and should agree that mostly it was all about Nole not himself. But as a Djoko fan I feel that Rafa respects and gives Nole a lot more credit than Roger does.

He told Djokovic that his streak spoke for itself.

I disagree - Federer's press conferences have been analysed far more than Nadull's. Of course there is a reason for that, namely that Nadull's press conferences generally live up to his name and are stage-managed by Uncle Phoni to ensure that every last drop of (explicit) meaning is drained out of them. Nadal seems to give Nole more credit because Uncle Phoni has assiduously cultivated the image of the "humble champion", but if you drill underneath that and actually listen to what Nadal is saying instead of letting the stream of verbiage flow over you, you will find there is no factual basis for that impression.

arm
12-16-2011, 05:12 PM
He told Djokovic that his streak spoke for itself.

I disagree - Federer's press conferences have been analysed far more than Nadull's. Of course there is a reason for that, namely that Nadull's press conferences generally live up to his name and are stage-managed by Uncle Phoni to ensure that every last drop of (explicit) meaning is drained out of them. Nadal seems to give Nole more credit because Uncle Phoni has assiduously cultivated the image of the "humble champion", but if you drill underneath that and actually listen to what Nadal is saying instead of letting the stream of verbiage flow over you, you will find there is no factual basis for that impression.

I guess we have two different interpretations. :shrug: I am a bit biased, I know, because while I respect all that Roger accomplished and all that he did for the sport, I am not a very fan of his persona. I have to admit those were nice words, though. Had no idea! :yeah:

tennis2tennis
12-16-2011, 06:24 PM
Rafa has given far more credit to Nole than Roger ever did. Do I really need to quote Roger's post match interview after USO semi final? :scratch:

Roger is the one who refuses to give Nole any credit or praising.

so, at least we don't deny roger doesn't give him credit...according to some people her Rafa's the gift the keeps on giving!

Gagsquet
12-16-2011, 06:31 PM
Of course, injury-free Rafa is undefeated in RG, bad end of season due to exhaustion not poor indoor game, Novak domination because he lost faith in the game etc.. Common knowledge.

Castafiore
12-16-2011, 07:09 PM
the "and such" is MY LEVEL DROPPED!!!!!!!!
He tells it like it is. :shrug:

....Oh wait, that's the Fedtard defence tactic. :o


You don't have to shout. Calm down.
You're still interpreting and not giving direct quotes with links, though. :hug:

ssj100
12-16-2011, 07:57 PM
Of course levels drop. If Nadal could play at his best every time, he'd go through every year with something like a 90-5 record. Consistently playing your best is the key to greatness. Nadal is basically saying he's not that great (yet). However, he will end up winning about 19-20 Slams (including around 12 French Opens), so he can say what he likes now.

luie
12-16-2011, 07:57 PM
Nadull has been exposed by Novak as a fraud that only relies on raw physicality and moonballism and his defense is he just lacks passion.
Looks like uncle Toni is going soft.

bokehlicious
12-16-2011, 08:00 PM
Nadal is a little b*tch as usual, the sooner he retires the better.

luie
12-16-2011, 08:01 PM
Of course levels drop. If Nadal could play at his best every time, he'd go through every year with something like a 90-5 record. Consistently playing your best is the key to greatness. Nadal is basically saying he's not that great (yet). However, he will end up winning about 19-20 Slams (including around 12 French Opens), so he can say what he likes now.
Nadulls level of clay is highly dependant on his opponents level. He just plays the percentages.
Novak matched him in physicality and took him to the woodshed even on clay.

Matt01
12-16-2011, 08:47 PM
Poor Nadal :hug:


Nadal is a little b*tch as usual, the sooner he retires the better.


You are really hoping that so that your overrated fave finally gets another chane to win another Slam :awww:

r3d_d3v1l_
12-16-2011, 09:31 PM
The only tournament that Nadal´s level was sub-par was the French Open, period. He played fine throughtout the year, but got his ass handed by Djokovic and that´s another fact.

All the others defeats weren´t unusual.

Naudio Spanlatine
12-16-2011, 09:43 PM
gosh didnt we have a similar thread to this:rolleyes: :o :facepalm:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=193247

Tennis-Life
12-16-2011, 09:51 PM
Where is careergrandslam? Did he leave this forum? :confused: :(

tektonac
12-16-2011, 10:00 PM
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/60/197578-federer_cry.jpg

don't want to sound mean but this one is priceless :lol:

Guy Haines
12-16-2011, 10:15 PM
The more pissy posts by MTF blind haters, the better Nadal's chances in 2012 seem.

Looking good.

Pirata.
12-16-2011, 10:27 PM
your overrated fave

You're sick in the head.

Where is careergrandslam? Did he leave this forum? :confused: :(

CGS is a Nole tard, and yes he has left the forum.

Naudio Spanlatine
12-16-2011, 10:33 PM
http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/mirka-vavrinec-aussie09b.jpg?w=450
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/60/197578-federer_cry.jpg

Passion will return by seeing this pictures of Melbourne 2009:wavey:

LAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hysteric: :haha: :rolls:

i like fed but this pic is a classic:lol:

Sunset of Age
12-16-2011, 11:26 PM
Rafa's reaction is a very normal one for a player who's been having a "subpar" season ("subpar" for him of course, some 99,99% of players would perhaps kill for such a season!). He's of course disappointed and shows it, I think it's a completely normal reaction for any player who's been on top of the hill for such a long time, and now for the first time sees himself confronted with the challenge of having to deal with a rival taking him to the cleaners several times. :shrug:

Anyone who's followed his playing the past season should have noticed that indeed, his level wasn't the same as it was in his top years - imho, it wasn't "just" Djokovic that formed the problem, he struggled with a quite a few 'minor' players as well (more than in earlier seasons I mean). It will be interesting to see how he will take up the challenge this upcoming season.

Kat_YYZ
12-17-2011, 12:34 AM
Typical bitter humbalito

it just occurred to me that this would be a great username for someone on MTF :rolls:

Topspindoctor
12-17-2011, 12:53 AM
So tired of Fedtard gloating - can't wait till Nadal starts thrashing the old man on clay and outdoor hardcourts again and for them to go back to hiding :o

alter ego
12-17-2011, 01:19 AM
The more pissy posts by MTF blind haters, the better Nadal's chances in 2012 seem.

Looking good.

Obviously God is a member of this forum and will award next year slams according to the level of hate displayed here.:rolleyes:

tennis2tennis
12-17-2011, 07:42 AM
So tired of Fedtard gloating - can't wait till Nadal starts thrashing the old man on clay and outdoor hardcourts again and for them to go back to hiding :o

whose gloating?

Shinoj
12-17-2011, 08:43 AM
Poor Nadal :hug:





You are really hoping that so that your overrated fave finally gets another chane to win another Slam :awww:


That must be a Joke.. Federer is over rated... :lol:

delpiero7
12-17-2011, 10:06 AM
:facepalm: at all these comments about Nadal's demise.

It's like 2009 all over again.

tripwires
12-17-2011, 11:09 AM
You are really hoping that so that your overrated fave finally gets another chane to win another Slam :awww:

This is why people think you're a clown.

So tired of Fedtard gloating - can't wait till Nadal starts thrashing the old man on clay and outdoor hardcourts again and for them to go back to hiding

Did you enjoy the WTF match? I loved it. :hearts:

Chirag
12-17-2011, 01:24 PM
CGS is a Nole tard, and yes he has left the forum.

and how do you know that .I cant find the post where he says he will leave the forum ;)

Matt01
12-17-2011, 10:09 PM
You're sick in the head.


I must have hit a nerve to elicit such a strong reaction. :awww: Thanks for confirming that I'm right.


This is why people think you're a clown.


If you don't think that he is overrated by his minion-tards on MTF, then no offense, it is you who should be consideres as clown.