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Stensland
11-23-2011, 01:15 AM
obama v. romney.

it's on.

Seingeist
11-23-2011, 01:31 AM
'bout time. :)

world cup, olympics, bla bla bla, we all you know this is gonna be just as entertaining and thrilling as all the sports highlights 2012. now it's got a thread.

in the right corner (status quo):



Status quo?

emotion
11-23-2011, 01:35 AM
Obama-ineffective
Bachmann-Crazy
Cain-terrifying
Santorum-Terrifying AND crazy
Romney-unreliable
Gingrich- totally without a conscience
Paul-Foreign policy and social views are nice, economic ones...
Perry- Incredibly stupid
Huntsman- Completely hopeless

buddyholly
11-23-2011, 01:40 AM
Obama-ineffective
Bachmann-Crazy
Cain-terrifying
Santorum-Terrifying AND crazy
Romney-unreliable
Gingrich- totally without a conscience
Paul-Foreign policy and social views are nice, economic ones...
Perry- Incredibly stupid
Huntsman- Completely hopeless

That's about right. So it appears Gingrich is the only one with the right credentials.

Chip_s_m
11-23-2011, 02:02 AM
Paul is the only one who offers any significant change from the policies of each president in the last 83 years. He'll be the only one receiving my vote, although I wouldn't mind seeing the racists on the left go crazy if it came down to Obama vs. Cain.

emotion
11-23-2011, 02:27 AM
Paul is the only one who offers any significant change from the policies of each president in the last 83 years. He'll be the only one receiving my vote, although I wouldn't mind seeing the racists on the left go crazy if it came down to Obama vs. Cain.

racists on the left? Don't think you'll be finding too many of those.

orangehat
11-23-2011, 02:28 AM
this seems weird.

I want to hope that anyone but Romney gets nominated such that they would almost certainly lose to Obama next year.

yet if america goes crazy and elects that nominee (bar Romney, who has a few questionable policies himself) look for the US of A to fall into third world status by 2016 (exaggerating, of course, but you get my drift)

shiaben
11-23-2011, 03:54 AM
Time to pick the lesser of the 8 or so evils :D.

None of them fulfill their promises at the greater level.

Mjau!
11-23-2011, 04:00 AM
I would support the one non-imperialist, non-fascist in the field.

Seingeist
11-23-2011, 06:17 AM
I would support the one non-imperialist, non-fascist in the field.

Yes, the rest are all fascists, Mjau. ;)

Stop trying so hard to embody an over-the-top caricature of the clueless leftist.

Mjau!
11-23-2011, 06:46 AM
I wasn't referring to Obama...

Neumann
11-23-2011, 07:57 AM
That's about right. So it appears Gingrich is the only one with the right credentials.

:lol:

The only ones with intellectual stature in that group are Gingrich, Paul, Romney, Huntsman and Obama.

Gingrich is a bit too self-centered, and if he were to take wrong decisions, I don't see anybody talking him out of it.

Paul is the bravest and most self-coherent, but he's too inflexible.

Romney, Huntsman and Obama could make fine presidents if the society wasn't as polarized as it is, or the political system was conducive to more compromise.

I wish Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan and Jeb Bush had run. The conversation would be about actual solutions.
Instead, they fight about who can build the deepest moat on the border, or who can count to three.

Seingeist
11-23-2011, 12:23 PM
I wasn't referring to Obama...

I wasn't assuming that you were; the clichéd and hyperbolic charges of "fascist" and "imperialist" tend to issue from the mouths of left-wingers, not right-wingers.

As it happens, I am staunchly opposed to most of Obama's policies, but I would hardly call him a "fascist" or "imperialist" (this is absurd).

Then again, I am gathering from your work in some other threads that "reality" and "accuracy" are not among your primary interests.

Stensland
11-23-2011, 12:33 PM
i want obama to win. out of the republican bunch ron paul is obviously the most interesting candidate but voting for himn would probably have all kinds precasious ramification across the globe. but then again, he's not gonna get the nomination anyways, who are we kidding here.

judging by their track records and the way they've been behaving themselves so far, romney and gingrich seem like the only ones who can take down obama. it's stil la stretch though.

Gagsquet
11-23-2011, 12:39 PM
Obama has already win. Deal with it.

Seingeist
11-23-2011, 12:44 PM
Obama has already win. Deal with it.

The 2012 election?

I take it that you haven't really been keeping up with the current American political atmosphere.

Time Violation
11-23-2011, 12:52 PM
Whoever of those wants to fix USA, and not fix the world instead, would get my vote :)

Stensland
11-23-2011, 12:57 PM
well, obama is certainly gonna be the frontrunner. compared to 2008 i find the current republican field fairly weak. the actual election campaigns haven't even started yet already in most of the candidates' track recrods you can spot huge spots that the democrats are gonna attack, ranging from romney-care to that libya-pause.

plus if reports are any correct, his war chest is gonna be out of this world.

sexybeast
11-23-2011, 01:01 PM
Go Ron Paul! When I get to the US I want to have my drugs and my whores legally and no fiat money and no taxes!

I think it would be too much of a revolution, people are not prepared for him. Maybe when the system collapses, but then he will be too old.

Seingeist
11-23-2011, 01:04 PM
Whoever of those wants to fix USA, and not fix the world instead, would get my vote :)

Would that it were that simple, and that there weren't legions of fanatics whose (almost) sole desperate purpose in life is to see every last one of us Americans put to the sword.


well, obama is certainly gonna be the frontrunner. compared to 2008 i find the current republican field fairly weak.

The field can't get much weaker than John McCain, so this crop is already looking up as far as I'm concerned.

Gagsquet
11-23-2011, 01:06 PM
The 2012 election?

I take it that you haven't really been keeping up with the current American political atmosphere.

We will see. Too many mugs on the other side. He is going to destroy the chosen one. Obama is a campaign master.

buddyholly
11-23-2011, 01:14 PM
racists on the left? Don't think you'll be finding too many of those.

Try visiting Russia or Cuba. Racism is what people do, not what they say.

Seingeist
11-23-2011, 01:36 PM
We will see. Too many mugs on the other side. He is going to destroy the chosen one. Obama is a campaign master.

I thought Obama was the Chosen One. ;)

I have a difficult time evaluating his "campaign mastery," to be honest.

I mean, on the one hand, there is a sense in which he was simply in the right place at the right time. His predecessor's rock-bottom approval ratings, especially in the midst of a collapsing economy, practically guaranteed the Oval Office to any Democrat who could string together English sentences.

On the other hand, he must have some kind of special mastery, because when I heard his platform of "hope and change" and "uniting racial and political divides," I thought to myself, "People cannot possibly be naive enough to buy that crap," and yet they swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

Time Violation
11-23-2011, 02:02 PM
Would that it were that simple, and that there weren't legions of fanatics whose (almost) sole desperate purpose in life is to see every last one of us Americans put to the sword.

Yea, I know. That's why probably little will change whoever wins in the end.

emotion
11-23-2011, 02:12 PM
Try visiting Russia or Cuba. Racism is what people do, not what they say.

This is the US election. I live in the South, believe me, all racism here is from the right

sexybeast
11-23-2011, 02:35 PM
Racism this and racism that is the most boring topic in the world. The term "racism" has been watered down and is used to whatever purpose or agenda anyone wants, just to silence the opponent. This word should be banned from the vocabulary for some time so that debates can go on without the use of epithets to make cheap shots at each other.

Filo V.
11-23-2011, 03:00 PM
I'm voting for Obama out of desperation.

Stensland
11-23-2011, 03:02 PM
did anyone watch the debate last night? seems like it was a little more interesting than the previous ones.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/23/cnns-truth-squad-takes-on-gop-debate-3/?hpt=hp_bn3

CNN's Truth Squad takes on GOP debate

Filo V.
11-23-2011, 03:03 PM
As for the polls, Obama currently has a lead over every potential Republican candidate and he hasn't even gotten in official election mode, so he's the favorite by default. Romney is a recycled option that looks unable to receive more than 20-30% support from Republicans. Gingrinch is a joke, Cain is a joke, Perry is a joke, and there are no other relevant candidates.

Ron Paul will take votes away from whoever the Republican candidate is.

Filo V.
11-23-2011, 03:05 PM
Paul and Huntsman win EVERY SINGLE debate and won the debate last night, based on the parts of it I saw. But they're not "conservative enough" to be president.

In reality, Barack Obama has won the debates.

Filo V.
11-23-2011, 03:11 PM
Also Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman being so much more intelligent and presidential than every other Republican candidate show me that Right-wing extremists do not belong in the WH, and that would be a tragedy for America if one of the extremists do. They are stupid and bigger spenders than Obama, while calling themselves financially responsible. Paul is an extremist but at least he's not a totally stupid extremist.

sexybeast
11-23-2011, 03:26 PM
Also Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman being so much more intelligent and presidential than every other Republican candidate show me that Right-wing extremists do not belong in the WH, and that would be a tragedy for America if one of the extremists do. They are stupid and bigger spenders than Obama, while calling themselves financially responsible. Paul is an extremist but at least he's not a totally stupid extremist.

Haha, have fun with Obama taking your country and the dollar down to oblivion backed by his friends in the financial sector. Ron Paul, the not "totaly stupid" extremist dont want to pay trillions of dollars to failed banks, let the federal reserve destroy your economy creating false bubbles, fighting wars in foreign countries and another worthless war on drugs. In the end of Obama's 8 year span USA will be like Greece, you will be on your knees but no one will be able to save you.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-23-2011, 03:29 PM
obama hasnt impress me nor is not saving the country from huge debt and helping out the people with social security and MED-I-CAL yet........but we'll see

shiaben
11-23-2011, 05:18 PM
Ron Paul would be a great president, too bad that will be prevented from happening.

Newt Gingrich- he's too old (ideal president has to look like has some vitality) and his first name doesn't do any good.

Rick Perry would be an ideal George W Bush #2 when it comes to his speeches and his knowledge.

Michele Bachmann is a woman, and the U.S. despite being a secular country, does not favor women for president.
I mean, afterall, Obama was picked over Hilary, that speaks miles for itself.

Herman Cain- He's thrown in the candidacy to show that Republicans love black people too.

My prediction will be Mitt Romney to defeat Obama. Mitt Romney has that handsome sinister look to him. Like he's got something dangerous in store for the whole world. He'd be an ideal candidate, me thinks :)

sexybeast
11-23-2011, 05:42 PM
Ron Paul would be a great president, too bad that will be prevented from happening.

Newt Gingrich- he's too old (ideal president has to look like has some vitality) and his first name doesn't do any good.

Rick Perry would be an ideal George W Bush #2 when it comes to his speeches and his knowledge.

Michele Bachmann is a woman, and the U.S. despite being a secular country, does not favor women for president.
I mean, afterall, Obama was picked over Hilary, that speaks miles for itself.

Herman Cain- He's thrown in the candidacy to show that Republicans love black people too.

My prediction will be Mitt Romney to defeat Obama. Mitt Romney has that handsome sinister look to him. Like he's got something dangerous in store for the whole world. He'd be an ideal candidate, me thinks :)

I kind of agree with your analysis but thing about Romney is that he has no values and most people know it. No one is enthusiastic about him except bankers and corporations, not even mormons like him too much because he is so fake he is not even a mormon. I think Newt will win, I really cant see any other option at the moment, atleast he seems to know what he is talking about and belive in it aswell. Romney will say absolutely anything to be elected, he doesnt belive in anything at all except that he wants to become president. Even Bush had values.

Johnny Groove
11-23-2011, 05:44 PM
Obama for a 2nd term.

Neumann
11-23-2011, 06:06 PM
did anyone watch the debate last night? seems like it was a little more interesting than the previous ones.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/23/cnns-truth-squad-takes-on-gop-debate-3/?hpt=hp_bn3

The whole debate season has been a lot of fun. :D
Yesterday's was more substantive than previous ones, because the audience and the questioners had been thoroughly vetted (Paul Wolfowitz asked one of the questions!). Also, foreign policy is less conducive to pandering than domestic policy. And finally, the fact that Gingrich is getting more airtime as a result of his rise in the polls, makes the whole process more dignified as well.

But I feel a lot of the people watching do it looking for a reality show, with clashes and heated arguments between the contestants, ridiculous unsupported claims, and embarrassing gaffes... :rolleyes:
By that metric, yesterday's debate was a bore!

Filo V.
11-23-2011, 06:21 PM
Haha, have fun with Obama taking your country and the dollar down to oblivion backed by his friends in the financial sector. Ron Paul, the not "totaly stupid" extremist dont want to pay trillions of dollars to failed banks, let the federal reserve destroy your economy creating false bubbles, fighting wars in foreign countries and another worthless war on drugs. In the end of Obama's 8 year span USA will be like Greece, you will be on your knees but no one will be able to save you.

Like I said, Ron Paul is not a stupid extremist. As for the rest of your response, it's not worth a rebuttal. Thank you.

sexybeast
11-23-2011, 06:27 PM
Like I said, Ron Paul is not a stupid extremist. As for the rest of your response, it's not worth a rebuttal. Thank you.

Saying someone is not totaly stupid often means he is kind of stupid.

shiaben
11-23-2011, 06:55 PM
There's simply no way Obama will win 2012. Democrats, students, and the working people will be pissed off after he failed to deliver his promises. Not to mention, a lot of people that initially supported Obama against McCain, also love Ron Paul because he's a libertarian and certainly has some values that may appeal to them. As long as you care about fixing the country, doesn't matter what party you're running as, people will back you. But yeah unfortunately, Mitt Romney, the heartless evil one, will win. I just know it.

Filo V.
11-23-2011, 07:03 PM
I never said Ron Paul was stupid. I said he's not a totally stupid extremist unlike his contemporaries. And that's it.

Romney isn't winning, and the Ron Paul factor hurts Romney statistically more than it would Obama. In fact, the "less conservative" Republican vote is something Romney NEEDS to win the Republican nominee, let alone win the election, and those votes will not be going to him, they will at least be split with Paul.

Romney has no solid base. Liberals-obviously not. Conservatives-by and large, no. Libertarians-No. Moderates-split with several others.

Obama has at least some sort of base. Ron Paul has a base. Newt Gingrich has a base. Romney doesn't, and he's got too many holes.

Filo V.
11-23-2011, 07:10 PM
If Mitt Romney were a viable candidate, why does he keep getting passed in favorability polls? Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich. That's because Republicans don't like him by and large, except the liberal Republicans. Now he's pandering to the conservative Republican base and losing the only base he had. He's washed up, and when he loses Iowa and New Hampshire, the train will fly off the tracks. He's a recycled candidate, and he's been in this same position before, where he was considered one of the favorites in 2008, but eventually got passed.

Stensland
11-23-2011, 07:14 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8907884/Michael-Bloomberg-fuels-presidential-talk-with-attack-on-Barack-Obama.html

Michael Bloomberg fuels presidential talk with attack on Barack Obama

JolánGagó
11-23-2011, 07:19 PM
Barak Hussein Obama is clearly the worst president since Carter, and both the worst in the last 100 yrs. I hope Mr Obama goes on international election-watching soon too.

Jaz
11-23-2011, 08:46 PM
If romney doesn't win Obama will win by a landslide.

Bilbo
11-23-2011, 09:00 PM
Obama is going to win it easily

Bilbo
11-23-2011, 09:03 PM
Barak Hussein Obama is clearly the worst president since Carter, and both the worst in the last 100 yrs. I hope Mr Obama goes on international election-watching soon too.

you are right. bush was much better than these two :rolleyes:

Gagsquet
11-23-2011, 09:03 PM
I predict a bagel and a breadstick.

oz_boz
11-23-2011, 09:17 PM
racists on the left? Don't think you'll be finding too many of those.

Try visiting Russia or Cuba. Racism is what people do, not what they say.

Don't think you'll meet that many leftists in Russia, Cuba or even China :lol: governing parties' policies and public opinion are probably far from each other in those countries.

Anyway, this depends on definition of left, this, doesn't it? Nazi parties may adopt left-wing economic policies but have a racist ideological base. For me that is anathema; if you want to be a "true" socialist, you want share the resources with everyone and not exclude some for reasons like ethnicity.

Tough times, so peoples votes will go more towards the right and the republicans will probably win. People don't realize that they are just as helpless as the democrats when it comes to saving the US economy.

sexybeast
11-23-2011, 09:37 PM
you are right. bush was much better than these two :rolleyes:

Just as bad, yes.

Mae
11-23-2011, 10:06 PM
The one thing I wish is that the U.S. had a time limit on an election like England does! All those political ads make me sick and they go on forever :ras:

shiaben
11-24-2011, 12:02 AM
Barak Hussein Obama is clearly the worst president since Carter, and both the worst in the last 100 yrs. I hope Mr Obama goes on international election-watching soon too.

Carter was a great president. He was a peace maker. One of the finest presidents of the U.S.A.

He's usually hated by the particular patriots that prefer imperialistic invasions and robbery.

That's why the media depicts Reagan as some kind of idol, and Carter as some kind of slime.

When in reality, unlike Reagan, he did not have any war crimes in his name.

Carter= great for the world, bad for imperialism.

Reagan= great for imperialism, bad for the world.

JolánGagó
11-24-2011, 12:33 AM
Carter was a great president. He was a peace maker. One of the finest presidents of the U.S.A.

He's usually hated by the particular patriots that prefer imperialistic invasions and robbery.

That's why the media depicts Reagan as some kind of idol, and Carter as some kind of slime.

When in reality, unlike Reagan, he did not have any war crimes in his name.

Carter= great for the world, bad for imperialism.

Reagan= great for imperialism, bad for the world.

Bullshit.

sexybeast
11-24-2011, 01:06 AM
Carter was a great president. He was a peace maker. One of the finest presidents of the U.S.A.

He's usually hated by the particular patriots that prefer imperialistic invasions and robbery.

That's why the media depicts Reagan as some kind of idol, and Carter as some kind of slime.

When in reality, unlike Reagan, he did not have any war crimes in his name.

Carter= great for the world, bad for imperialism.

Reagan= great for imperialism, bad for the world.

I like much about Carter, but I think he is disliked for his economic pollicies more than anything else. Economy failed with Carter.

Chip_s_m
11-24-2011, 01:14 AM
racists on the left? Don't think you'll be finding too many of those.

You're kidding right?

fast_clay
11-24-2011, 01:45 AM
Paul is the only one who offers any significant change from the policies of each president in the last 83 years. He'll be the only one receiving my vote, although I wouldn't mind seeing the racists on the left go crazy if it came down to Obama vs. Cain.

Ron Paul has been calling the issues of today out for 20 odd years... i have never seen a candidate with such epic consistency...

i'm not a yank, but Paul is the first republican i would have voted for... he is right... american's have no business policing the world...

besides you're broke like the rest :lol:...

i have no doubt he will crush the fed and apply true free market principles... let the market decide what is of value and what is not... no more bailouts, just plain old tried and trusted economics - shit dies, shit grows again... no artificial levers and switches...

Whoever of those wants to fix USA, and not fix the world instead, would get my vote :)

that would be ron paul - the non-interventionalist...

Go Ron Paul! When I get to the US I want to have my drugs and my whores legally and no fiat money and no taxes!

I think it would be too much of a revolution, people are not prepared for him. Maybe when the system collapses, but then he will be too old.

ron paul will be assassinated if he is elected...

Paul and Huntsman win EVERY SINGLE debate and won the debate last night, based on the parts of it I saw. But they're not "conservative enough" to be president.

In reality, Barack Obama has won the debates.

ron paul not conservative enough...? :spit: he's a strict constitutionalist... he's voted no more times than you taken hot sausage up the poop chute old mate... dunno how much more conservative you wanna get than that...

though... today, in world 2 party politics the lines between are mostly blurred...


Paul is an extremist but at least he's not a totally stupid extremist.

:haha:

only would someone who has been brainwashed would say that... paul's 08 and now his 12 campaign is providing the only ray of hope in any candidate for as far back as i can remember... i was fooled by obama though... i mean, the problems of september 2008 were so obvious that you had to fuck up pretty badly to not successful mount an economic rethink... nope, just more of the same - BORROW to REPAY and that is as stupid as trying to drink yourself sober... doesnt work...

i don't believe there has been a more right man for the job than paul...

Haha, have fun with Obama taking your country and the dollar down to oblivion backed by his friends in the financial sector. Ron Paul, the not "totaly stupid" extremist dont want to pay trillions of dollars to failed banks, let the federal reserve destroy your economy creating false bubbles, fighting wars in foreign countries and another worthless war on drugs. In the end of Obama's 8 year span USA will be like Greece, you will be on your knees but no one will be able to save you.

the fed has inflated the world by producing meaningless cash...

the global vending scam has ended...

fractional reserve lending is the type of magic that should have been for Blotto the Clown...

Ron Paul would be a great president, too bad that will be prevented from happening.



the media blackout of paul has been nothing short of astounding...

all the media outlets are tied into to the status quo... ron paul just doesn't threaten the status quo... he will render it lifeless forever...

yes all that and he believes in a free market too... can you believe it...?

Obama for a 2nd term.

i was a supporter of barack obama... now i know that you are just another ill-educated yank who votes for style not substance...

you are the reason the world is in finincial meltdown...

sorry bro... educate yourself... it affects us too... be we can't do fuck all when only your voice drives the soon to be shipwreck of which we are a passenger...

Barak Hussein Obama is clearly the worst president since Carter, and both the worst in the last 100 yrs. I hope Mr Obama goes on international election-watching soon too.

it could have all been so different... but, you are so right... obama fell in love with the idea of being the admired former statesman like clinton and not stopped doing a job - he just didnt fucking start it...

obama... turned out to be too phoney to see what is really going on...

Pirata.
11-24-2011, 03:08 AM
Obama will be re-elected.

I like Huntsman and he seems like an intelligent, well-spoken and sensible guy. This is probably why he's currently dead last in the polls :o

fast_clay
11-24-2011, 03:19 AM
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sexybeast
11-24-2011, 10:51 AM
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Hilarious! Sadly I really think he has 0% to win this race. He is absolutely stuck at just under 10%, everyone else goes up and down like jojos between 5% and 30%, will any mainstream 40+ years old Limbaugh listening/fox new watcing voter ever decide to vote on dr.Paul?

It seems to be truly impossible, first old media needs to really become a nonfactor and not only for people under 30!

scoobs
11-24-2011, 11:01 AM
Obama should be re-elected - he's the best Republican candidate in the field.

Old-school Republican that is, before they lurched so far to the right that virtually their entire field of candidates are stupid, clueless, crazy, narcissistic or some combination of all these.

As someone firmly of the liberal / social democrat tendency, the whole field is pretty scary for various reasons but it is just frightening how stupidly reactionary and clueless some of them are and are still being taken seriously while the grown-ups on the card are polling in the low single digits.

Even so, Gingrich is currently the guy at the top of the wave because the field is so bad that everyone in turn is getting a moment in the spotlight in a concerted "anyone but Romney" effort by the crazies. And Gingrich really is disgusting.

Johnny Groove
11-24-2011, 11:44 AM
i was a supporter of barack obama... now i know that you are just another ill-educated yank who votes for style not substance...

you are the reason the world is in finincial meltdown...

sorry bro... educate yourself... it affects us too... be we can't do fuck all when only your voice drives the soon to be shipwreck of which we are a passenger...

Enough with the drama, fast clay. Obama is the best candidate available right now. You would rather vote for one of the Republican clowns? :spit:

Obama should be re-elected - he's the best Republican candidate in the field.

Old-school Republican that is, before they lurched so far to the right that virtually their entire field of candidates are stupid, clueless, crazy, narcissistic or some combination of all these.

As someone firmly of the liberal / social democrat tendency, the whole field is pretty scary for various reasons but it is just frightening how stupidly reactionary and clueless some of them are and are still being taken seriously while the grown-ups on the card are polling in the low single digits.

Even so, Gingrich is currently the guy at the top of the wave because the field is so bad that everyone in turn is getting a moment in the spotlight in a concerted "anyone but Romney" effort by the crazies. And Gingrich really is disgusting.

More or less.

buddyholly
11-24-2011, 11:47 AM
Obama is going to win it easily

I remember 3 years ago you posted that Obama would solve the Middle East/Israel problem within a month of his election. You are very forgiving - or maybe very forgetful.

Anyway, do you have any predictions for his second term to-do list?

Gagsquet
11-24-2011, 02:30 PM
Seingeist and Buddyholly, your Obama hating is ridiculous. He did a good job in a difficult context.

Stensland
11-24-2011, 04:46 PM
since i can't be bothered to do any research on this: can someone tell me about this "gingrich cheated on his wife while she had cancer"-thing? and if that's actually true, how in the world did he manage to survive the primaries so far? his opposition should've had a field day over the last couple of months.

Chip_s_m
11-24-2011, 06:52 PM
since i can't be bothered to do any research on this: can someone tell me about this "gingrich cheated on his wife while she had cancer"-thing? and if that's actually true, how in the world did he manage to survive the primaries so far? his opposition should've had a field day over the last couple of months.

He hasn't been near the top of the polls until last week or so. Now that he's doing well he'll get more scrutiny. I haven't bothered to look at the details either, but if there's even a hint of scandal then it'll come out. Right now he's being hammered on his immigration stance, though, so we'll probably have to wait for that to die down.

Neumann
11-24-2011, 07:58 PM
Hilarious! Sadly I really think he has 0% to win this race. He is absolutely stuck at just under 10%, everyone else goes up and down like jojos between 5% and 30%, will any mainstream 40+ years old Limbaugh listening/fox new watcing voter ever decide to vote on dr.Paul?

It seems to be truly impossible, first old media needs to really become a nonfactor and not only for people under 30!

Do not count Paul out. He has some weaknesses (drug legalization, his appearance, his age, etc), but some of his ideas really resonate with a good portion of the electorate, and he has a great strength: coherence/consistency. His name recognition and following have only grown since his 2008 campaign.

Given how passionate his base is, and his organization in Iowa, he has some chances of winning Iowa. If he does, and the anti-Romney feeling persists, he'd be in a rather strong position to get the nomination.

Seingeist
11-24-2011, 07:58 PM
Seingeist and Buddyholly, your Obama hating is ridiculous. He did a good job in a difficult context.

"Obama hating?"

Get lost, Grassquet. I grow so tired of this BS.

I said I am staunchly opposed to his policies (at the same time that I was defending him from Mjau's ridiculous epithets, you imbecile) and I noted his use of political rhetoric during his 2008 campaign.

Both my social and economic leanings are far more conservative than liberal, which aligns me much more closely with Republican platforms and policies than Democratic ones. I am not going to suddenly start thinking that wrongheaded initiatives are great ideas just because they issue from an international subject of worship.

And not even a great many Obama-supporting Democrats here in the U.S. would dare claim that he's done a "good job."

Seingeist
11-24-2011, 07:59 PM
since i can't be bothered to do any research on this: can someone tell me about this "gingrich cheated on his wife while she had cancer"-thing?

Colloquially known as "pulling a John Edwards."

jmjhb
11-24-2011, 08:06 PM
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Gotta love the American media!

Gagsquet
11-24-2011, 08:16 PM
"Obama hating?"

Get lost, Grassquet. I grow so tired of this BS.

I said I am staunchly opposed to his policies (at the same time that I was defending him from Mjau's ridiculous epithets, you imbecile) and I noted his use of political rhetoric during his 2008 campaign.

Both my social and economic leanings are far more conservative than liberal, which aligns me much more closely with Republican platforms and policies than Democratic ones. I am not going to suddenly start thinking that wrongheaded initiatives are great ideas just because they issue from an international subject of worship.

And not even a great many Obama-supporting Democrats here in the U.S. would dare claim that he's done a "good job."

Glad you just disagree with him but you are a bit harsh with him in my opinion.
I am sorry to tell you that many people think he did a good job (in the crisis context). And his reelection will prove it.

fast_clay
11-24-2011, 09:41 PM
Enough with the drama, fast clay. Obama is the best candidate available right now. You would rather vote for one of the Republican clowns? :spit:


yeah no worries then... we'll just authorise another loan from the federal reserve to pay the interest off the last loan...

obama is the change that never happened... until you know that, you are useless...

and another thing, if you think there is any difference between republican and democrat in this age then you are a media slave... woo... yeah... that's awesome...

Stensland
11-25-2011, 12:00 AM
Colloquially known as "pulling a John Edwards."

yeah and look what happened to him: erased from the politcal landscape (rightly so, don't get me wrong here).

so i guess what gingrich did can hardly be compared to edwards' "missteps". he wouldn't have run if his private life offered his opponents the kind of goodies they desperately long for. chances are he's not gonna bomb but slowly phase out.

romney will probably just wear them down, one by one, with his massive war chest. unless the media covers some major gaffe, the easiest way to attack gingrich would be his washingtonesque track record. after all, it'll be quite something to make him look like "outside the beltway". romney is gonna run on his business experience and nobody except for that doofus herman cain could possibly challenge him in that area.

sexybeast
11-25-2011, 12:07 AM
Enough with the drama, fast clay. Obama is the best candidate available right now. You would rather vote for one of the Republican clowns? :spit:



Are you serious? How can anyone still be enthusiastic about Obama? Bush was driving your country at 100 mph to oblivion, Obama is increasing the speed to 300 mph, just fast enought for your country to get there at the end of his 2nd term if not before.

Topspindoctor
11-25-2011, 12:21 AM
If Americans had any sense, they'd re-elect Obama

rocketassist
11-25-2011, 12:34 AM
Hope Obama gets re-elected. At least this president doesn't go round waging war and tries to build friendlier foreign relations.

rocketassist
11-25-2011, 12:37 AM
Barak Hussein Obama is clearly the worst president since Carter, and both the worst in the last 100 yrs. I hope Mr Obama goes on international election-watching soon too.

Thank God your ilk don't live here or the BNP would get in.

fast_clay
11-25-2011, 02:30 AM
Are you serious? How can anyone still be enthusiastic about Obama? Bush was driving your country at 100 mph to oblivion, Obama is increasing the speed to 300 mph, just fast enought for your country to get there at the end of his 2nd term if not before.

i see some people in the thread are scratching their head going ':confused: wtf they talking about?:scratch:'... the biggest threat to usa's national security isn't any so called war or trumped up pre-emptive charge against another state... the biggest threat to usa's national security is the financial meltdown...

shiaben
11-25-2011, 02:56 AM
Hope Obama gets re-elected. At least this president doesn't go round waging war and tries to build friendlier foreign relations.

Are you kidding? Under Obama, it took forever till they started pulling out troops (he promised ASAP but he started near the end of his campaign), on top of that, under his presidency, the U.S. invaded Libya. If that's not waging war, not sure what is.

Ron Paul>>>>>>>>Obama and the rest of the Republican candidates.

Too bad he won't get elected though.

Oh well. He tried.

Filo V.
11-25-2011, 01:19 PM
Ron Paul is alright, but some people drink his fucking Kool-Aid so much it's ridiculous. He's not anywhere near as magical as his diehard supporters think he is.

He's also not going to win the election, so it's sort of irrelevant to bring him up here. He's not a contender.

Filo V.
11-25-2011, 01:21 PM
the biggest threat to usa's national security is the financial meltdown
Yes. Tell that to our ineffectual Congress. They certainly don't give a damn.

Chip_s_m
11-25-2011, 09:52 PM
Are you kidding? Under Obama, it took forever till they started pulling out troops (he promised ASAP but he started near the end of his campaign), on top of that, under his presidency, the U.S. invaded Libya. If that's not waging war, not sure what is.

Ron Paul>>>>>>>>Obama and the rest of the Republican candidates.

Too bad he won't get elected though.

Oh well. He tried.

Don't forget expanded drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, not to mention sending troops into Uganda, or the aircraft carrier that's recently been parked off the coast of Syria.

Obama is a warmonger.

Topspindoctor
11-26-2011, 01:59 AM
Barak Hussein Obama is clearly the worst president since Carter, and both the worst in the last 100 yrs. I hope Mr Obama goes on international election-watching soon too.

He's better than all of the warmongering candidates elected previously and even now trying to get into the president seat. At least he somewhat cooled down the Russia-America crisis that Bush has escalated previously with the Georgia war. I don't know about you, but I don't want a nuclear war anytime soon. Obama might not be perfect, but at least he's capable of thinking rationally unlike a typical Yank redneck.

buddyholly
11-26-2011, 04:09 AM
Are you kidding? Under Obama, it took forever till they started pulling out troops (he promised ASAP but he started near the end of his campaign), on top of that, under his presidency, the U.S. invaded Libya.

The US invaded Libya? You must be reading the same news sources as abraxas.

buddyholly
11-26-2011, 04:11 AM
Don't forget expanded drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia,

Hitting Al Queda where it lives is not warmongering. It is self defence,

Time Violation
11-26-2011, 10:21 AM
Hitting Al Queda where it lives is not warmongering. It is self defence,

:bs:

It's not self defence when you have your army all over the world.

The US invaded Libya? You must be reading the same news sources as abraxas.

NATO did. Or perhaps you think Iceland and Slovakia are calling the shots :lol:

shiaben
11-26-2011, 05:46 PM
Hitting Al Queda where it lives is not warmongering. It is self defence,

Al-Qaida, Taliban, and company were created by the CIA to destabilize innocent countries and their relations between their neighbors. Now the innocent people of these countries have their hands full with NATO/army and synthetically created terrorist bastards, both ganging up on the average innocent joe. Good grief.

buddyholly
11-26-2011, 09:59 PM
Seingeist and Buddyholly, your Obama hating is ridiculous. He did a good job in a difficult context.

Where did I ever say I hated Obama? You hardly ever make sense.

I guess it is just that every time you see my name you are reminded of your hilarious anti-big oil thread that opened with a post about a perpetual motion car that the oil companies bought and buried. I still get a laugh at that one.

Stensland
11-27-2011, 11:06 PM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/27/n-h-union-leader-backs-gingrich/

N.H. Union Leader backs Gingrich

first major endorsement so far.

wee
11-29-2011, 08:23 AM
I'm not sure yet who I would root for, but I'm pretty positive that Barack Hussein Obama is the one I hope would go. BHO, one-termer, hoorah!

Stensland
11-29-2011, 09:34 AM
http://us.cnn.com/2011/11/28/politics/cain-accusation-affair/index.html?hpt=us_c2

Woman says she and Cain had 13-year affair; Cain denies accusation

down for the count, almost out. no way he's gonna survive the constant ambushes.

Filo V.
11-30-2011, 12:32 AM
Basically, all Barack has to do is allow every single Republican candidate (with a chance to win) blow up, and he'll win the election by default. And so far, the strategy is working.

Absolutely shocking how far things have devolved in America that we have Gingrich and Romney fighting for the chance to be president.

sexybeast
11-30-2011, 01:00 AM
Ron Paul is alright, but some people drink his fucking Kool-Aid so much it's ridiculous. He's not anywhere near as magical as his diehard supporters think he is.

He's also not going to win the election, so it's sort of irrelevant to bring him up here. He's not a contender.

I would rather drink the fucking Kool-aid of someone with convictions and ideals that stand against the media and corporation lobbyists than worship some guy that comes up as the messiah backed up by big banks and the media and with a lousy slogan for the stupids "yes, we can" (what can you do, mr.Obama?) and few can even identify what the guy actually wants to do in the first place, what does he belive in?

Obama is all about rhetoric without any content, wishywashy stuff that sounds good to the ear but few people actually can rationally explain what he actually said he wants to do. I dont even think Obama is a bad person, I think he is weak and he is a puppet without knowing with and he doesnt have experience to stand up for anything that goes against the big banks and media who backed him up. For example everyone knows Obama used to be pro-Palestina, but he is so afraid of the Israel lobby he wont change anything in the US policy. Obama had 2 years with absolute majority when he could increase taxes for the rich but didnt, now he can blame republicans for his irresponsible stimilus packages that he couldnt back up with any funding. If Obama is a socialdemocrat/socialist he certanly doesnt even dare to be that, Kucinich would be a man of the left who would stand by his ideals. Obama is just a corporate puppet who will just do anything he is commanded to do by those advisers the big companies put in place to move Obama to the right direction, alot like Bush in many ways.

Filo V.
11-30-2011, 01:09 AM
Obama is a weak ass president without convictions, but that doesn't mean Paul is a magical candidate. He has his holes. Just because someone has convictions doesn't make those convictions actually palatable to be president (general statement, not an indictment against Ron Paul).

Filo V.
11-30-2011, 01:10 AM
Anyway, in the tragic situation we're in right now, I'd take a generally decent person with weak convictions in Obama, than the corrupt Gingrich and slickster Romney. They are both evil. And those are really the only three candidates with a shot at winning the presidency.

Jaz
11-30-2011, 07:20 AM
Gingrich must not win the nomination. If he does Obama will surely become president. Gingrich has more baggage than a Super Jumbo.

Mjau!
11-30-2011, 06:56 PM
He's better than all of the warmongering candidates elected previously and even now trying to get into the president seat. At least he somewhat cooled down the Russia-America crisis that Bush has escalated previously with the Georgia war. I don't know about you, but I don't want a nuclear war anytime soon. Obama might not be perfect, but at least he's capable of thinking rationally unlike a typical Yank redneck.

:yeah:

Russia To Discuss Missile Shield With Iran, China
http://www.eurasiareview.com/29112011-russia-to-discuss-missile-shield-with-iran-china/

Russia activates missile early warning radar system
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15938494

"First, I am instructing the Defense Ministry to immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert. Second, protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop out air and space defenses. Third, the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads. Fourth, I have instructed the Armed Forces to draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems if need be...

Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring our ability to take out any part of the US missile defense system, in Europe. One step in this process will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region. Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary. Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not in Russia's favor we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures. Besides, given the intrinsic link between strategic offensive and defensive arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the New START Treaty could also arise."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/russia-retaliates-against-us-puts-radar-station-combat-alert-prepares-take-out-european-missile

US to cease observing arms treaty with Russia: State Dept
http://news.yahoo.com/us-cease-observing-arms-treaty-russia-state-dept-205507881.html

Report: Russia warships to enter Syria waters in bid to stem foreign intervention
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/report-russia-warships-to-enter-syria-waters-in-bid-to-stem-foreign-intervention-1.396359

Russian president warns missile talks failure will provoke new arms race
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/russian-president-medvedev-arms-race

JolánGagó
11-30-2011, 07:38 PM
World has been very wrong in dismissing Russia.

fast_clay
12-03-2011, 08:17 PM
:lol: finally getting the promotion looking equal to the message this campaign...

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buddyholly
12-03-2011, 09:38 PM
:yeah:

Russia To Discuss Missile Shield With Iran, China
http://www.eurasiareview.com/29112011-russia-to-discuss-missile-shield-with-iran-china/

Russia activates missile early warning radar system
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15938494

"First, I am instructing the Defense Ministry to immediately put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert. Second, protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop out air and space defenses. Third, the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defense penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads. Fourth, I have instructed the Armed Forces to draw up measures for disabling missile defense system data and guidance systems if need be...

Fifth, if the above measures prove insufficient, the Russian Federation will deploy modern offensive weapon systems in the west and south of the country, ensuring our ability to take out any part of the US missile defense system, in Europe. One step in this process will be to deploy Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region. Other measures to counter the European missile defense system will be drawn up and implemented as necessary. Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not in Russia's favor we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures. Besides, given the intrinsic link between strategic offensive and defensive arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the New START Treaty could also arise."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/russia-retaliates-against-us-puts-radar-station-combat-alert-prepares-take-out-european-missile

US to cease observing arms treaty with Russia: State Dept
http://news.yahoo.com/us-cease-observing-arms-treaty-russia-state-dept-205507881.html

Report: Russia warships to enter Syria waters in bid to stem foreign intervention
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/report-russia-warships-to-enter-syria-waters-in-bid-to-stem-foreign-intervention-1.396359

Russian president warns missile talks failure will provoke new arms race
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/russian-president-medvedev-arms-race

Is this meant to show that Russia is escalating the missile crisis, knowing it is dealing with a pussy US President?

rocketassist
12-04-2011, 02:27 AM
lol at mirkaland's beloved Herman Cain out of the race already :lol:

Neumann
12-04-2011, 05:23 AM
The race is now actually getting interesting.
Romney is still the overwhelming favorite, but with some good breaks, both Gingrich and Paul have a chance.

That, together with the proportional allocation of delegates in the primaries, is going to make for drawn-out and fun campaign. Awesome!

BTW, fantastic video for Paul up there.

gaitare
12-04-2011, 08:37 AM
Bye bye Cain.

Sukit.

Mjau!
12-04-2011, 04:22 PM
Experts :worship:

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grishotarian
12-06-2011, 09:09 AM
Palin :rocker2:

Surprise last minute nomination brings in land slide of votes :oh:

Time Violation
12-06-2011, 06:18 PM
:lol: finally getting the promotion looking equal to the message this campaign...

Check this one too :D

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buddyholly
12-07-2011, 01:06 AM
:lol: finally getting the promotion looking equal to the message this campaign...

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Too bad the loonies hijacked the Tea Party. I don't think anyone considers it an economic movement anymore.

@Sweet Cleopatra
12-07-2011, 01:53 AM
Vote for the more progressive. US is very backward in many ways especially economy and education. Renew yourself guys...instead of making wars in other areas!!!

Seingeist
12-07-2011, 03:15 AM
Vote for the more progressive. US is very backward in many ways especially economy and education. Renew yourself guys...instead of making wars in other areas!!!

:lol:

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 03:26 AM
:lol:

she's actually right on the money in her diagnosis about the sad state of affairs of the US.

too bad there aren't truly progressive candidates with a chance to win, though.

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 03:27 AM
Too bad the loonies hijacked the Tea Party. I don't think anyone considers it an economic movement anymore.

loonies are the tea party

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 03:37 AM
Would that it were that simple, and that there weren't legions of fanatics whose (almost) sole desperate purpose in life is to see every last one of us Americans put to the sword.


typical yank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLzo9pOXa-s

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 03:52 AM
Seingeist and Buddyholly, your Obama hating is ridiculous. He did a good job in a difficult context.

i don't have the will to read every stupid post those 2 have made in this thread so i'll just state my opinion on obama: he's a clown.

but please allow me to explain: he is an opportunist with little principles and an astaunding lack of moral codes, even for US presidents' standards. mind you, i maintained this exact opinion about him from the get go. his idiotic 'change to come' campaign was only swallowed by tons of dumb yanks who were tired of bush and a million of liberal euros who were so gullible to believe that just because obama was black and relatively young he was virtually going to be the savior of the world. then some mugs in stockholm had the balls to give him the nobel prize. the ceremony would have been quite hilarious if only the 'prize' hadn't been prostituted so much before that it could only be considered as the icing of the cake to watch a warmongering clown like obama winning an peace contest.

then again, there was never any reason to be fooled by him. his hawkish credentials were already well stated before he got to be president. from his stance in the patriot act until his approval of wars in the middle east or his support of the jewish state of israel.

buddyholly
12-07-2011, 03:53 AM
Vote for the more progressive. US is very backward in many ways especially economy and education. Renew yourself guys...instead of making wars in other areas!!!

Compared to who? Europe? The Middle East? Africa? South America? Asia? Antarctica? Oh wait......., maybe you are comparing it to Luxembourg.

Do you know anything at all about the US economy and education?

buddyholly
12-07-2011, 03:56 AM
she's actually right on the money in her diagnosis about the sad state of affairs of the US.

too bad there aren't truly progressive candidates with a chance to win, though.

She is not right on the money. It could be better, but if you consider it ''very backward'', then you would have to consider most of the world totally failed, especially South America.

However, if you keep repeating that US affairs are in a bad state, then eventually you may succeed in brainwashing a few gullible children.

buddyholly
12-07-2011, 03:56 AM
loonies are the tea party

Ron Paul is not a loony.

buddyholly
12-07-2011, 04:02 AM
i don't have the will to read every stupid post those 2 have made in this thread so i'll just state my opinion on obama: he's a clown.
.

I mentioned the word "Obama'' once in this thread, to say that I remember bilbo predicting he would solve the ME crisis in six weeks.

So you see, by reading and accepting the always nonsensical posts of Grassquet, you are just making a fool of yourself and posting nonsense in turn. But carry on, we are used to it by now.

Jimnik
12-07-2011, 06:38 AM
Vote for the more progressive. US is very backward in many ways especially economy and education. Renew yourself guys...instead of making wars in other areas!!!
:crazy:


she's actually right on the money in her diagnosis about the sad state of affairs of the US.

too bad there aren't truly progressive candidates with a chance to win, though.
:cuckoo:

Jimnik
12-07-2011, 06:44 AM
America is mostly fine the way it is. Not too bothered who gets elected though I'd prefer someone who has the guts to cut reckless government spending.

The debates are interesting but usually bollocks. Presidents rarely deliver pledged changes once in power.

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 03:12 PM
America is mostly fine the way it is. Not too bothered who gets elected though I'd prefer someone who has the guts to cut reckless government spending.

The debates are interesting but usually bollocks. Presidents rarely deliver pledged changes once in power.

:lol:

carry on then. i'd hate to burst your bubble...

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 03:28 PM
I mentioned the word "Obama'' once in this thread, to say that I remember bilbo predicting he would solve the ME crisis in six weeks.

So you see, by reading and accepting the always nonsensical posts of Grassquet, you are just making a fool of yourself and posting nonsense in turn. But carry on, we are used to it by now.

where have i accepted anything from grassquet or other user here?

read what i said again: i don't have the will to read every stupid post those 2 have made in this thread . i referred to your posts in general, not your obama-related posts as you assert.

and then you've got the guts to say i'm making a fool of myself :lol:

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 03:30 PM
Ron Paul is not a loony.

says who?

Gagsquet
12-07-2011, 03:39 PM
I mentioned the word "Obama'' once in this thread, to say that I remember bilbo predicting he would solve the ME crisis in six weeks.

So you see, by reading and accepting the always nonsensical posts of Grassquet, you are just making a fool of yourself and posting nonsense in turn. But carry on, we are used to it by now.

says the one calling Obama a thick-lipped bastard.

vucina
12-07-2011, 03:40 PM
Ron Paul is not a loony.

But he won't spread democracy across the world with F-16s. :sad:
How will the world live without democracy, buddyholly? HOW??? :bigcry:

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 03:43 PM
She is not right on the money. It could be better, but if you consider it ''very backward'', then you would have to consider most of the world totally failed, especially South America.

However, if you keep repeating that US affairs are in a bad state, then eventually you may succeed in brainwashing a few gullible children.


now allow me for a moment and let me set the record straight. to the likes of you and seingeist, this will all seem like crazy pinko marxist-inspired rethoric that will trigger all types of red alarms within your system so i know right know that the ideas you're about to read won't do you guys any good but deep down i hope others with more open minds will listen. That said, here's the truth: the USA is messed up. yanks live accruing wealth till the point where wealth itself becomes the purpose of their lives. to this end they have to destroy the enivornment and seel goods to their people. their deluded idea of a free market economy fails at the hands of massive subsides and corporate 'capitalism' (which doesn't really exist but that's another story) where most important politicians do whatever they can to help the ones who put money into their dirty campaigns... then these same politicos have to make wars on third world nations with the pretext that they're just protecting themselves from the evilness of others or, being more altruistic, with the pretext that they want to help others. then again, voters are the ones who put those guys in charge. seingeist's post a while ago showed precisely the type of mentality that has the USA deep in shit at the moment and that's because he's afraid. afraid that people from third world countries might try to destroy his 'american dream' with no provocation from them. to the average redneck yank those poor brown people simply hate their guts out because of their (illusion of) freedom and because of their money. with that in mind it becomes no freaking wonder to realize why so many yanks keep guns behind their beds and support warmongering authorities in virtually every election.


loved the jibe at south america there btw

shiaben
12-07-2011, 09:14 PM
now allow me for a moment and let me set the record straight. to the likes of you and seingeist, this will all seem like crazy pinko marxist-inspired rethoric that will trigger all types of red alarms within your system so i know right know that the ideas you're about to read won't do you guys any good but deep down i hope others with more open minds will listen. That said, here's the truth: the USA is messed up. yanks live accruing wealth till the point where wealth itself becomes the purpose of their lives. to this end they have to destroy the enivornment and seel goods to their people. their deluded idea of a free market economy fails at the hands of massive subsides and corporate 'capitalism' (which doesn't really exist but that's another story) where most important politicians do whatever they can to help the ones who put money into their dirty campaigns... then these same politicos have to make wars on third world nations with the pretext that they're just protecting themselves from the evilness of others or, being more altruistic, with the pretext that they want to help others. then again, voters are the ones who put those guys in charge. seingeist's post a while ago showed precisely the type of mentality that has the USA deep in shit at the moment and that's because he's afraid. afraid that people from third world countries might try to destroy his 'american dream' with no provocation from them. to the average redneck yank those poor brown people simply hate their guts out because of their (illusion of) freedom and because of their money. with that in mind it becomes no freaking wonder to realize why so many yanks keep guns behind their beds and support warmongering authorities in virtually every election.


loved the jibe at south america there btw

+100

Jimnik
12-07-2011, 09:45 PM
... i'm making a fool of myself :lol:
Indeed.

buddyholly
12-07-2011, 09:45 PM
says the one calling Obama a thick-lipped bastard.

Could you find that post, please. Or maybe apologize to the members for lying.

buddyholly
12-07-2011, 09:46 PM
But he won't spread democracy across the world with F-16s. :sad:
How will the world live without democracy, buddyholly? HOW??? :bigcry:

Ask abraxas. he has a plan for eliminating democracy.

Gagsquet
12-07-2011, 09:58 PM
Could you find that post, please. Or apologize to the members for lying.


Or that thick-lipped bastard Barack.



expect from you to say it was just a provocation/joke of course :) :rolleyes: :wavey:

buddyholly
12-07-2011, 10:01 PM
That said, here's the truth: the USA is messed up. yanks live accruing wealth

People like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elvis Presley, Lady Gaga, Tiger Woods and yes, even Donald Trump CREATED wealth. You can call it accruing if you want, it is not a bad description either. Think of all the wealth they created for thousands of people employed in what they invented or created.

The fact remains that the technological revolution came out of the US, because that is where people are best able to create.

When you seem to abhor that people get wealthy, you just become the punchline of my favourite Cuban joke: ''No, I don't want to be rich like everybody else, I want them all to be poor like me''.

buddyholly
12-07-2011, 10:09 PM
it was just a joke of course

OK

jmjhb
12-07-2011, 10:11 PM
Am I right in thinking buddyholly is Irish, and lives in Canada and/or Costa Rica? Why then is he one of the staunchest defenders of America's values and political system I've ever seen?

Gagsquet
12-07-2011, 10:12 PM
OK

:lol: :cool:

buddyholly
12-07-2011, 10:19 PM
Am I right in thinking buddyholly is Irish, and lives in Canada and/or Costa Rica? Why then is he one of the staunchest defenders of America's values and political system I've ver seen?

Only because in these threads we see some of the staunchest hating (Jealously). I certainly much prefer living in North America than I did in Britain. Great to get away from all that class consciousness and ''what school did you go to?'' snobbery. To be accepted for who you are and not for what your father did, etc.

Oh, and it seems to make all the Brits here go apeshit with indignation. I like that part.

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 11:16 PM
expect from you to say it was just a provocation/joke of course :) :rolleyes: :wavey:

total ownage. :lol:

abraxas21
12-07-2011, 11:20 PM
People like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Elvis Presley, Lady Gaga, Tiger Woods and yes, even Donald Trump CREATED wealth. You can call it accruing if you want, it is not a bad description either. Think of all the wealth they created for thousands of people employed in what they invented or created.

The fact remains that the technological revolution came out of the US, because that is where people are best able to create.

When you seem to abhor that people get wealthy, you just become the punchline of my favourite Cuban joke: ''No, I don't want to be rich like everybody else, I want them all to be poor like me''.

i don't abhor people who get wealthy. hell, i dont even abhor people who were born wealthy.

you've made an idea of myself that doesnt relate to reality in the slightest but i'll let you keep fighting with your strawmen. it is amusing.

Mjau!
12-08-2011, 12:36 AM
i don't have the will to read every stupid post those 2 have made in this thread so i'll just state my opinion on obama: he's a clown.

but please allow me to explain: he is an opportunist with little principles and an astaunding lack of moral codes, even for US presidents' standards. mind you, i maintained this exact opinion about him from the get go. his idiotic 'change to come' campaign was only swallowed by tons of dumb yanks who were tired of bush and a million of liberal euros who were so gullible to believe that just because obama was black and relatively young he was virtually going to be the savior of the world. then some mugs in stockholm had the balls to give him the nobel prize. the ceremony would have been quite hilarious if only the 'prize' hadn't been prostituted so much before that it could only be considered as the icing of the cake to watch a warmongering clown like obama winning an peace contest.

then again, there was never any reason to be fooled by him. his hawkish credentials were already well stated before he got to be president. from his stance in the patriot act until his approval of wars in the middle east or his support of the jewish state of israel.

Oslo, you ignoramus! The Nobel peace prize is NORWEGIAN! :cuckoo:

buddyholly
12-08-2011, 01:58 AM
total ownage. :lol:

Glad you liked that quote from Grassquet. But the truth is I have no idea what it means. It is not English. Maybe you guys speak a language nobody else understands.

buddyholly
12-08-2011, 02:11 AM
i don't abhor people who get wealthy. hell, i dont even abhor people who were born wealthy.

you've made an idea of myself that doesnt relate to reality in the slightest but i'll let you keep fighting with your strawmen. it is amusing.

You said that the US was in a mess because people are ruining the planet by accumulating wealth. I extrapolated from there.

abraxas21
12-08-2011, 02:49 AM
Oslo, you ignoramus! The Nobel peace prize is NORWEGIAN! :cuckoo:

good correction.

then again, what does ignorance have anything to do with being crazy as i take that's the meaning of the :cuckoo: emoticon there?

your constant usage of random smilies is, well, random.

abraxas21
12-08-2011, 02:52 AM
You said that the US was in a mess because people are ruining the planet by accumulating wealth. I extrapolated from there.

i could make a hell of a lot of extrapolations about you, sir... but i'm in a good mood tonight

shiaben
12-08-2011, 05:35 AM
The U.S. is in a mess though. Part of it is thanks to these terrible war campaigns. And another part of it is thanks to the corrupt politicians and corporatations that pretty much manipulate the politics and govt. of America.

Jimnik
12-08-2011, 09:57 AM
The American government has issues but not America. Yes they spend too much on military but it's still only 4% of GDP. The budget deficit is over 10%. Even if they cut to, say, 2% (which is less than what UK, France and Russia spend) it barely scratches the surface.

As for corruption, it exists in every country. America's is probably less bad than most.

buddyholly
12-08-2011, 12:58 PM
As for corruption, it exists in every country. America's is probably less bad than most.

A lot of uninformed people just make things up to suit their biases. For example, shiaben in the post above, could have consulted a world corruption index, before deciding to invent something. But that would conflict with already held biases. You are not likely to see shiaben come on here and rail about corruption in France.

In fact, if you lump together North America, Europe and Aus/NZ you can pretty much feel safe from corruption. Venture outside these areas and you had better watch your ass. These are just facts. Put another way - the Western World sets the standard for honesty.

buddyholly
12-08-2011, 01:00 PM
i could make a hell of a lot of extrapolations about you, sir... but i'm in a good mood tonight

That would be fine, as long as you base them on actual posts.

shiaben
12-09-2011, 12:18 AM
Corruption exists everywhere but what's ridiculous is the continuation of imperialism in today's world.

Though it seems though buddyholly that you're okay with that since judging from your flag I'm sure you paint a beautiful and glorious picture of imperialists and colonialists since they've helped the likes of you separate Northern Ireland from the mainland.

emotion
12-09-2011, 01:17 AM
Obama is lesser of two evils. Always has been. The cynical view is always right.

Topspindoctor
12-09-2011, 01:42 AM
Corruption exists everywhere but what's ridiculous is the continuation of imperialism in today's world.

Though it seems though buddyholly that you're okay with that since judging from your flag I'm sure you paint a beautiful and glorious picture of imperialists and colonialists since they've helped the likes of you separate Northern Ireland from the mainland.

There is almost no corruption and Australia :shrug: probably the reason why our politicians, cops and government workers are so bitter...

octatennis
12-09-2011, 01:48 AM
so, what does the next us president has to do to fix partially some of the problems they are having right now?

shiaben
12-09-2011, 01:50 AM
so, what does the next us president has to do to fix partially some of the problems they are having right now?

I'd say end wars for now. The rest will probably come naturally.

octatennis
12-09-2011, 02:00 AM
that wont be enough as jimmik said above, war is a big spending but not as much to drastically change their economy a bit in case of stoping it. even though i agree it would be a good start.

buddyholly
12-09-2011, 02:42 AM
Though it seems though buddyholly that you're okay with that since judging from your flag I'm sure you paint a beautiful and glorious picture of imperialists and colonialists since they've helped the likes of you separate Northern Ireland from the mainland.

What does that even mean?

buddyholly
12-09-2011, 02:43 AM
Corruption exists everywhere but what's ridiculous is the continuation of imperialism in today's world.



Ar you talking about China and Venezuela now?

buddyholly
12-09-2011, 03:00 AM
where have i accepted anything from grassquet or other user here?

read what i said again: i don't have the will to read every stupid post those 2 have made in this thread . i referred to your posts in general, not your obama-related posts as you assert.

and then you've got the guts to say i'm making a fool of myself :lol:

When you use a Grassquet post to lead into what you want to say, that tells me you are accepting Grassquet's lead.

But forget about it - anyone who can state an opinion on my posts and at the very same time claim not to read them, obviously is not to be taken seriously.

Stensland
12-09-2011, 05:14 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70156.html

Ron Paul takes foreign policy message to Iowa

boy, would the world be interesting (in all kinds of ways) with paul running washington...just imagine the power struggle in the middle east once america withdraws completely. he's certainly onto something politically but some of his views, if implemented, seem just downright scary.

Jimnik
12-09-2011, 05:57 AM
Ron Paul is the only republican I'd vote for. Otherwise I vote libertarian, even if it's a "wasted vote". Republicans and democrats don't make much difference to me.

shiaben
12-09-2011, 07:39 PM
Ar you talking about China and Venezuela now?

Care to elaborate how either of these countries are imperialists? (Especially the latter).

shiaben
12-09-2011, 07:43 PM
Ron Paul is the only republican I'd vote for. Otherwise I vote libertarian, even if it's a "wasted vote". Republicans and democrats don't make much difference to me.

That's kind of how I feel about the situation as well.

Regardless, of all the available candidates including Obama whose defending the Democratic race, without a shout of a doubt, I think Ron Paul would be ideal if he does all the things he says.

Then again even with his amazing ads and messages he's got out to really strengthen his position, the poor guy will not receive the required amount of votes he deserves to lead the country.

Har-Tru
12-09-2011, 08:04 PM
Here is your beloved Ron Paul:

6JyvkjSKMLw

Jimnik
12-09-2011, 08:57 PM
Good for him.

I believe in evolution but I can't stand arrogant scientific atheists. I bet he wound them right up.

Btw, that video didn't work for me.

scoobs
12-09-2011, 08:59 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57340513-503544/newt-gingrich-palestinians-are-invented-people/

Gingrich: Palestinians are an invented people.

That old chestnut again...

Har-Tru
12-09-2011, 10:05 PM
Good for him.

I believe in evolution but I can't stand arrogant scientific atheists. I bet he wound them right up.

Btw, that video didn't work for me.

Nevermind about the "arrogant scientific atheists". And you don't "believe" in evolution, just like you don't "believe" that Pluto exists.

You simply cannot pretend someone who ignores an established scientific theory is qualified to become the most powerful person in the world.

Jimnik
12-09-2011, 10:44 PM
Nevermind about the "arrogant scientific atheists". And you don't "believe" in evolution, just like you don't "believe" that Pluto exists.

You simply cannot pretend someone who ignores an established scientific theory is qualified to become the most powerful person in the world.
Actually, since he's trying to be president, I'm more concerned whether he believes in proven economic theories than evolution, gravity or Einstein's theory of relativity.

If he was applying to be a nuclear physicist, then I'd be worried.

abraxas21
12-10-2011, 12:27 AM
Actually, since he's trying to be president, I'm more concerned whether he believes in proven economic theories than evolution, gravity or Einstein's theory of relativity.

If he was applying to be a nuclear physicist, then I'd be worried.

proven economic theories :superlol:

i'd really like to see you elaborting on that

Topspindoctor
12-10-2011, 12:35 AM
Here is your beloved Ron Paul:

6JyvkjSKMLw

yet another yank bible humper. nothing to see here. I bet they'll still have presidents who believe in a magical wizard who created everything in thousand years' time. :o:o

fast_clay
12-10-2011, 01:36 AM
Here is your beloved Ron Paul:

6JyvkjSKMLw

mate, yeah... jokeworthy for sure...

but, i'd say this part of his campaign is rock solid... we must remember bush jr's campaign was run with one hand on the bible at all times inside a country where the porn industry rakes in a tonne more than hollywood does.. talk about a schizophrenic nation...

in many U.S. elections you'll see you almost need to polarise a mass of people to force one side to mobilise in fervant support - with any luck in your direction... this is just how their flawed form of democracy works...

i don't support this view of ron paul though... and because it is not the issue of the day, it will disarm any attack on him i'd say... and he doesn't sway from his views so it is an acceptable flaw imo...

but yeah, we must remember that voting isn't compulsory.. and mobilisation of everbody, anybody is the key...

Seingeist
12-10-2011, 02:34 AM
we must remember bush jr's campaign was run with one hand on the bible at all times inside a country where the porn industry rakes in a tonne more than hollywood does.. talk about a schizophrenic nation...

I think that you're exactly right. This particular "disease" seems to be the side-effect of a traditionally or nominally "Christian" nation in the throes of ever-increasing post-"Enlightenment" secularization (or secular humanization, if you like), for better or worse, depending on one's perspective.

It amounts to a society that is highly ambivalent and "confused," to say the very least, and this confusion will certainly continue to manifest itself in our presidential candidates.

To be fair, though, "moral confusion" is not confined to US borders, but is one of the hallmarks of modernity in the wake of "God's death." Nietzsche both recognized and foretold this with great candor.

who believe in a magical wizard who created everything

Ex nihilo nihil fit.

fast_clay
12-10-2011, 03:21 AM
I think that you're exactly right. This particular "disease" seems to be the side-effect of a traditionally or nominally "Christian" nation in the throes of ever-increasing post-"Enlightenment" secularization (or secular humanization, if you like), for better or worse, depending on one's perspective.

It amounts to a society that is highly ambivalent and "confused," to say the very least, and this confusion will certainly continue to manifest itself in our presidential candidates.

To be fair, though, "moral confusion" is not confined to US borders, but is one of the hallmarks of modernity in the wake of "God's death." Nietzsche both recognized and foretold this with great candor.


yes, digressing a little, but i would say the realms developed from which the bible was touted, and the realms developed from which the koran held sway have both had their own detailed periods of renaissance... but in this life i can clearly define which one and WHY i would choose to be brought into... even though, as you say, the one both you and i know is currently experiencing a period of confusion and decay... what i can also say though from this realm that i know, is that the book that is a major pillar of our realm, is essentially a good book - no matter how derided... it has just been twisted and manipulated too many times, and, the message lost in my opinion... and so, knowing that the book itself has become more or less a tool for the ages, i can fully accept ron paul using it at he pleases, if only it enables him to implement a monetary system that will largely destroy the abuse of money - money should be a tool for the people... not a tool for the few... and, in that, paul speakes a gospel not unlike that found in the good book...

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 04:10 AM
Care to elaborate how either of these countries are imperialists? (Especially the latter).

No need to elaborate on China's seizure of lands to the west.

Chavez is trying to spread his Bolivarian revolution throughout South America. He would see himself as the supreme leader of South America. So far the only puppets he has got are Bolivia and Ecuador. Of course Chavez is also the puppet of Cuba.

shiaben
12-10-2011, 04:52 AM
No need to elaborate on China's seizure of lands to the west.

Chavez is trying to spread his Bolivarian revolution throughout South America. He would see himself as the supreme leader of South America. So far the only puppets he has got are Bolivia and Ecuador. Of course Chavez is also the puppet of Cuba.

The Bolivarian revolution is an alliance of nations with similar ideologies. It has nothing to do with neither Chavez or Venezuela trying to take over their neighbors :facepalm:

And which lands are China occupying in the west? If you are referring to Tibet. It's a unique region of China. Look up the Seventeen Point Agreement. In fact they even have a picture of Mao with the Dalai Lama back then agreeing upon the incorporation of Tibet back to mainland China. Heck the Dalai Lama himself speaks Chinese as his mother language :D

But of course if you want Tibet to separate from China. You might as well expect Mexico to reclaim California, Texas, and its former territories ;)

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 01:54 PM
The Bolivarian revolution is an alliance of nations with similar ideologies. It has nothing to do with neither Chavez or Venezuela trying to take over their neighbors :facepalm:

And which lands are China occupying in the west? If you are referring to Tibet. It's a unique region of China. Look up the Seventeen Point Agreement. In fact they even have a picture of Mao with the Dalai Lama back then agreeing upon the incorporation of Tibet back to mainland China. Heck the Dalai Lama himself speaks Chinese as his mother language :D

But of course if you want Tibet to separate from China. You might as well expect Mexico to reclaim California, Texas, and its former territories ;)

Oh please! Are you that naive? Do you really expect me to accept a "Seventeen Point'' agreement allegedly made by the Mao regime? I didn't know there were still people around who thought anything produced by that genocidal monster could even have a shred of validity. Read up on Wikipedia.

A Chavez doll has just shown up in the manger with Jesus in an official creche in Caracas. Maybe I underestimated the guy. He now appears to be determined to save mankind.

PS: The word mainland keeps cropping up in your posts. Check your dictionary.

Time Violation
12-10-2011, 04:21 PM
You simply cannot pretend someone who ignores an established scientific theory is qualified to become the most powerful person in the world.

Lol, he isn't campaigning for the chair at the department of biology, it couldn't matter less. Get your priorities sorted out :o

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 04:38 PM
But of course if you want Tibet to separate from China. You might as well expect Mexico to reclaim California, Texas, and its former territories ;)

A bit of the old apples and oranges there. "Separate'' and ''reclaim.'' Your analogy should be Texas wanting to leave the US and be independent, not Texas being absorbed into Mexico.

shiaben
12-10-2011, 07:15 PM
A bit of the old apples and oranges there. "Separate'' and ''reclaim.'' Your analogy should be Texas wanting to leave the US and be independent, not Texas being absorbed into Mexico.

That wouldn't make sense given it was once part of Mexico. Therefore it should be part of Mexico.

But of course what would you understand?

After all you've got a flag of Northern Ireland which displays your pathetic separatist mentality.

abraxas21
12-10-2011, 08:48 PM
Chavez is trying to spread his Bolivarian revolution throughout South America. He would see himself as the supreme leader of South America. So far the only puppets he has got are Bolivia and Ecuador. Of course Chavez is also the puppet of Cuba.

sure, nevermind the fact that the presidents of bolivia, ecuador and venezuela were elected in sovereign democratic elections in their respective nations...

but i guess that in your paranoid mind anything linked in one way or another to leftiest ideologuies automatically means that they're 'puppets' of someone else. it's amazing to see how the same people who are quick to dismiss all types of lefty conspiracy theories (most of them quite crazy, i admit) are quick to make up the most deluded conspiracies when it comes to think about how left-wing leaders/countries work.

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 10:16 PM
But of course what would you understand?

After all you've got a flag of Northern Ireland which displays your pathetic separatist mentality.

Well, for starters I would never understand you. After you have checked ''mainland'' in the dictionary I suggest your next task should be to check ''separatist'' with reference to Ireland. I have never, ever been a member of the IRA. How dare you?

But I forgive you. You are so clueless, I have little choice. Here you are, arguing that Tibet's wish to separate from communist China is pathetic, just as Ireland's determination to separate from the UK was pathetic.

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 10:33 PM
sure, nevermind the fact that the presidents of bolivia, ecuador and venezuela were elected in sovereign democratic elections in their respective nations...

but i guess that in your paranoid mind anything linked in one way or another to leftiest ideologuies automatically means that they're 'puppets' of someone else. it's amazing to see how the same people who are quick to dismiss all types of lefty conspiracy theories (most of them quite crazy, i admit) are quick to make up the most deluded conspiracies when it comes to think about how left-wing leaders/countries work.

Chavez is a clown, a wannabe Gadaafi, who pictures himself as the strong man of South America. My posts mentioning Chavez will always have a mocking tone. Such as the Chavez Christmas creche now on display in Caracas. What the news article didn't explain is if he was depicted as one of the three wise men or just one of the asses.

And yes, Chavez is Castro's willing bitch.

shiaben
12-10-2011, 10:34 PM
Well, for starters I would never understand you. After you have checked ''mainland'' in the dictionary I suggest your next task should be to check ''separatist'' with reference to Ireland. I have never, ever been a member of the IRA. How dare you?

But I forgive you. You are so clueless, I have little choice. Here you are, arguing that Tibet's wish to separate from communist China is pathetic, just as Ireland's determination to separate from the UK was pathetic.

Ireland isn't part of the UK. But North Ireland, is part of Ireland :)

Why else do you think its called "Northern Ireland" ;)

shiaben
12-10-2011, 10:38 PM
Chavez is a clown, a wannabe Gadaafi, who pictures himself as the strong man of South America. My posts mentioning Chavez will always have a mocking tone. Such as the Chavez Christmas creche now on display in Caracas. What the news article didn't explain is if he was depicted as one of the three wise men or just one of the asses.

And yes, Chavez is Castro's willing bitch.

What is a "willing" bitch? You sound ludicrous.

The bottom line was, you claimed he was an imperialist when those countries democratically selected their own leaders. You've lost credibility my friend.

Well no point in going back and forth with you when you've irrationally labeled Venezuela as an imperialist state.

And yeah BTW, I do sympathize with the original IRA. They defended their country from colonialists (those that you happen to support, unfortunately).

BTW make yourself useful, and vote for Ron Paul. You'd do the world a huge favor dear holly. You'd select a peacemaker to come to power instead of a war monger :D

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 10:42 PM
Ireland isn't part of the UK. But North Ireland, is part of Ireland :)

Why else do you think its called "Northern Ireland" ;)

Ireland was part of the UK until the Republic of Ireland separated. Northern Ireland didn't separate from anything. You have just got everything totally reversed.

Maybe the fact that in the first line you demonstrate that you are unable to distinguish between geographical and political entities explains your confusion.

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 10:46 PM
What is a "willing" bitch? You sound ludicrous.

BTW make yourself useful, and vote for Ron Paul.

1) One that gives the people's oil away to a foreign country, whose leader he personally adores.

2) Sorry, I don't get a vote. But anyway, I couldn't vote for someone so lacking in common sense that he rejects evolution.

buddyholly
12-10-2011, 10:57 PM
And yeah BTW, I do sympathize with the original IRA. They defended their country from colonialists (those that you happen to support, unfortunately).



No clowning now.

Why do you say I happen to support colonialists?

I sympathize with the original IRA too. England was a cruel master. But being a pragmatist, and recognizing the realities of Northern Ireland over the last 40 years, I did not sympathize at all with the more recent version. Maybe it would have been better to swallow the whole bitter pill at the beginning, but once that opportunity was missed, then it was too late.
The movement for civil rights in the 70's was legitimate, but once the violent faction of the IRA hijacked that movement and turned it into a move to integrate the North with the South, legitimacy was lost. The IRA was not representing the people in the Republic, most of my friends in the South were of the opinion that Northern Ireland was London's problem and Dublin was better off without it.

habibko
12-11-2011, 08:39 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57340513-503544/newt-gingrich-palestinians-are-invented-people/

Gingrich: Palestinians are an invented people.

That old chestnut again...

I came here to post that, I liked this response:

Elliott Abrams, a Bush deputy national security adviser now with the Council on Foreign Relations, said: "There was no Jordan or Syria or Iraq, either, so perhaps he would say they are all invented people as well, and also have no right to statehood. Whatever was true then, Palestinian nationalism has grown since 1948, and whether we like it or not, it exists."

if anything, Israel is the truly invented nation for invented people who had no right to travel to Palestine and claim that land except by their own religious bullshit, they should have remained in diaspora where they belong

Har-Tru
12-11-2011, 09:28 AM
Actually, since he's trying to be president, I'm more concerned whether he believes in proven economic theories than evolution, gravity or Einstein's theory of relativity.

If he was applying to be a nuclear physicist, then I'd be worried.

mate, yeah... jokeworthy for sure...

but, i'd say this part of his campaign is rock solid... we must remember bush jr's campaign was run with one hand on the bible at all times inside a country where the porn industry rakes in a tonne more than hollywood does.. talk about a schizophrenic nation...

in many U.S. elections you'll see you almost need to polarise a mass of people to force one side to mobilise in fervant support - with any luck in your direction... this is just how their flawed form of democracy works...

i don't support this view of ron paul though... and because it is not the issue of the day, it will disarm any attack on him i'd say... and he doesn't sway from his views so it is an acceptable flaw imo...

but yeah, we must remember that voting isn't compulsory.. and mobilisation of everbody, anybody is the key...

Lol, he isn't campaigning for the chair at the department of biology, it couldn't matter less. Get your priorities sorted out :o

This is what I meant:


2) Sorry, I don't get a vote. But anyway, I couldn't vote for someone so lacking in common sense that he rejects evolution.

It's not about understanding evolution being key to run a country properly (which in many cases it might be), it's about the fact that it is extremely dangerous to have someone at the steering wheel of the most powerful nation on earth who is so stupid, stubborn or radical in his views that he refuses to accept a scientific fact from which the disciplines of biology, and thus its subdisciplines of zoology, botanics etc. derive.

If he is able to hold such jaw-dropping views, who knows what other things he'll be willing to "believe"...

Look at it this way: imagine you're ill and need to go to the doctor. You have no reasons to believe he isn't a perfectly qualified practician, but you've never actually been to his practice. At one point however you find out he firmly believes the earth is flat and orbits around the sun. Would you offer him your confidence and make him your regular MD? There you go.

fast_clay
12-11-2011, 10:19 AM
This is what I meant:



It's not about understanding evolution being key to run a country properly (which in many cases it might be), it's about the fact that it is extremely dangerous to have someone at the steering wheel of the most powerful nation on earth who is so stupid, stubborn or radical in his views that he refuses to accept a scientific fact from which the disciplines of biology, and thus its subdisciplines of zoology, botanics etc. derive.

If he is able to hold such jaw-dropping views, who knows what other things he'll be willing to "believe"...

Look at it this way: imagine you're ill and need to go to the doctor. You have no reasons to believe he isn't a perfectly qualified practician, but you've never actually been to his practice. At one point however you find out he firmly believes the earth is flat and orbits around the sun. Would you offer him your confidence and make him your regular MD? There you go.

that's ok...

i never really paid attention to religious views... of anyone... and especially not when the reasons that ail the western world is something that this man knows thoroughly - 40 years worth of consistency...

you'll wait a long time for that inch perfect candidate mate...

i'll put it this way: knowing that this man could reform the monetary function throughout the western world and thereby halting the road to serfdom and cease all war on foreign soil, you would still reject him with this one flaw...?

big call man

Har-Tru
12-11-2011, 11:03 AM
that's ok...

i never really paid attention to religious views... of anyone... and especially not when the reasons that ail the western world is something that this man knows thoroughly - 40 years worth of consistency...

you'll wait a long time for that inch perfect candidate mate...

i'll put it this way: knowing that this man could reform the monetary function throughout the western world and thereby halting the road to serfdom and cease all war on foreign soil, you would still reject him with this one flaw...?

big call man

I get what you mean. Paul has some surprisingly consistent positions and many (most?) of them would do some good to this fucked up planet of ours.

But going back to my doctor analogy, I would probably still trust that doctor and embrace him as my general practitioner, considering his excellent credentials, but that isolated, monumentally outrageous part of him that holds such a ridiculous view would keep on nagging me and keeping me unease. Chances are sooner that later I'd end up finding out it wasn't that isolated after all.

abraxas21
12-11-2011, 02:58 PM
I sympathize with the original IRA too. England was a cruel master. But being a pragmatist, and recognizing the realities of Northern Ireland over the last 40 years, I did not sympathize at all with the more recent version. Maybe it would have been better to swallow the whole bitter pill at the beginning, but once that opportunity was missed, then it was too late.
The movement for civil rights in the 70's was legitimate, but once the violent faction of the IRA hijacked that movement and turned it into a move to integrate the North with the South, legitimacy was lost. The IRA was not representing the people in the Republic

i must admit i'm surprised. i didnt expect this position from you.

most of my friends in the South were of the opinion that Northern Ireland was London's problem and Dublin was better off without it.
that's the problem with ireland these days. a lot of people simply don't care about a united ireland. it's their wish though.

abraxas21
12-11-2011, 03:04 PM
Chavez is a clown, a wannabe Gadaafi, who pictures himself as the strong man of South America. My posts mentioning Chavez will always have a mocking tone. Such as the Chavez Christmas creche now on display in Caracas. What the news article didn't explain is if he was depicted as one of the three wise men or just one of the asses.

And yes, Chavez is Castro's willing bitch.

since we're finally opening our hearts to each other, i must take the honesty-ride and say that yes, chávez is a clown. even though i think that the dude might care about the poor, his policies have been totally misguided and won't be good for the country in the long run.

still, there's no reason to say countries like bolivia or peru are chávez's puppets.

Time Violation
12-11-2011, 05:12 PM
But going back to my doctor analogy, I would probably still trust that doctor and embrace him as my general practitioner, considering his excellent credentials, but that isolated, monumentally outrageous part of him that holds such a ridiculous view would keep on nagging me and keeping me unease. Chances are sooner that later I'd end up finding out it wasn't that isolated after all.

Well, Paul is actually an MD and I don't remember reading somewhere his patients were complaining of his evolution views :p

shiaben
12-12-2011, 05:18 AM
You pick a leader when it comes to doing a good damn job. You don't pick one on whether or not he believes in God.

The guy can have religious beliefs, be agnostic, or be an atheist, but as long as he can help improve the country, that's all that matters.

History is testament to that.

abraxas21
12-12-2011, 05:31 AM
ron paul is a semi-libertarian clown but at least he's not such an interventionist hawk like obama or bush... i really like his stance on israel but that's probly the main reason he'll fail. the american zionist jews won't simply let that pass.

all in all, he's a crap candidate but -in terms of the world's welfare- he is probly a lot better than the other guys around. without knowing much about the upcoming yank elections, i'd say theres no chance in hell he even gets the republican nomination to run for president.

Har-Tru
12-12-2011, 07:25 AM
You pick a leader when it comes to doing a good damn job. You don't pick one on whether or not he believes in God.

The guy can have religious beliefs, be agnostic, or be an atheist, but as long as he can help improve the country, that's all that matters.

History is testament to that.

Who the hell talked about his believing or not believing in God?

buddyholly
12-12-2011, 11:08 AM
since we're finally opening our hearts to each other, i must take the honesty-ride and say that yes, chávez is a clown. even though i think that the dude might care about the poor, his policies have been totally misguided and won't be good for the country in the long run.

still, there's no reason to say countries like bolivia or peru are chávez's puppets.:inlove:

Must be the season.

buddyholly
12-12-2011, 11:15 AM
It's not about understanding evolution being key to run a country properly (which in many cases it might be), it's about the fact that it is extremely dangerous to have someone at the steering wheel of the most powerful nation on earth who is so stupid, stubborn or radical in his views that he refuses to accept a scientific fact from which the disciplines of biology, and thus its subdisciplines of zoology, botanics etc. derive.



My main concern was that he wasn't stating his beliefs - just pandering to the voters. I am not sure which is worse.

Mae
12-12-2011, 11:23 AM
It doesn't matter who wins the election. The U.S. is already halfway to H*LL in a hand basket and I don't think any one can stop the downward slide at this point :sad:

buddyholly
12-12-2011, 11:24 AM
if anything, Israel is the truly invented nation for invented people who had no right to travel to Palestine and claim that land except by their own religious bullshit, they should have remained in diaspora where they belong

You are no more tolerant than anyone posting that all the Muslims should get out of Western civilization and take their primitive religious beliefs with them.

But that does not surprise me. What does amuse me is that when you say the ''diaspora'' you really mean Jews, even though you use a less obvious word ''Israelis''. I am not aware of any Israeli diaspora.
But anyway, now that you accept there was a diaspora, then you do indeed accept that there was a place from which the diaspora took place. And that would be.........

habibko
12-12-2011, 12:32 PM
You are no more tolerant than anyone posting that all the Muslims should get out of Western civilization and take their primitive religious beliefs with them.

not a valid comparison as I'm not saying they should get out of Palestine, what happened happened and we have to deal with the reality, they must be driven off their illegal settlements though which will happen sooner or later

the antithesis in my post was for that bigot's benighted comment that Palestinians are an invented people, when it's more befitting to say that about Europeans that travelled all the way to the middle east

But that does not surprise me. What does amuse me is that when you say the ''diaspora'' you really mean Jews, even though you use a less obvious word ''Israelis''. I am not aware of any Israeli diaspora.
But anyway, now that you accept there was a diaspora, then you do indeed accept that there was a place from which the diaspora took place. And that would be.........

there is a Kurdish diaspora as well when there never was a country called Kurdistan

speaking of diaspora and since you are so empathetic for it, there is also a Palestinian diaspora and there is a place where they should go back to, and that would be.......

abraxas21
12-12-2011, 01:48 PM
:inlove:

Must be the season.

well, it's springtime around here

abraxas21
12-12-2011, 01:52 PM
if anything, Israel is the truly invented nation for invented people who had no right to travel to Palestine and claim that land except by their own religious bullshit, they should have remained in diaspora where they belong

+1

Stensland
12-12-2011, 06:35 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70274.html

The return of Newt Skywalker

pretty interesting to see that gingrich has quite some street cred in silicon valley. i didn't expect him to be into that kinda stuff at all.

buddyholly
12-12-2011, 09:12 PM
not a valid comparison as I'm not saying they should get out of Palestine, what happened happened and we have to deal with the reality, they must be driven off their illegal settlements though which will happen sooner or later



What you said is ''the Israelis should have remained in diaspora where they belong.''

Why not just say the Palestinians should leave in diaspora to the surrounding Muslim states?

habibko
12-12-2011, 09:43 PM
What you said is ''the Israelis should have remained in diaspora where they belong.''

Why not just say the Palestinians should leave in diaspora to the surrounding Muslim states?

where in my post did I even type the word "Israelis"?

learn how to quote properly before you ask questions

buddyholly
12-12-2011, 10:07 PM
if anything, Israel is the truly invented nation for invented people who had no right to travel to Palestine and claim that land except by their own religious bullshit, they should have remained in diaspora where they belong

"Type the word Israelis?'' Well you did not actually ''type'' Israelis, but you did ''type'' the word Israel. The only way I can understand your post is by ''they'' being the citizens of Israel.

If not, then I must assume that you referred to some people as '''they'' without identifying them.

Stensland
12-18-2011, 12:09 PM
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/17/23902/

The Des Moines Register’s GOP caucus endorsement: Mitt Romney

big push for romney. desperately needed, as the latest poll shows:

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/presidential-polls/iowa/iowa-gop-caucus/

Newt Gingrich 22%
Ron Paul 21%
Mitt Romney 16%
Michele Bachmann 11%
Rick Perry 9%
Rick Santorum 8%
Undecided 7%
Jon Huntsman 5%
Gary Johnson 1%

the republican caucuses are gonna take place on january 3.

JolánGagó
12-18-2011, 01:33 PM
To be fair, though, "moral confusion" is not confined to US borders, but is one of the hallmarks of modernity in the wake of "God's death." Nietzsche both recognized and foretold this with great candor.

Kierkegaard explained it first.

:wavey:

Black Adam
12-19-2011, 01:51 AM
buddyholly jizzes in his pants with threads like this.
"Type the word Israelis?'' Well you did not actually ''type'' Israelis, but you did ''type'' the word Israel. The only way I can understand your post is by ''they'' being the citizens of Israel.

If not, then I must assume that you referred to some people as '''they'' without identifying them. __________________There can't be any citizens of a country whose very existence is still in dispute. "They" is a much nicer/diplomatic word than other ones habiko could have used.

Pretend-intellectual WUM.

Topspindoctor
12-19-2011, 02:03 AM
You are no more tolerant than anyone posting that all the Muslims should get out of Western civilization and take their primitive religious beliefs with them.


They really should. Western world has evolved past primitive imaginary friends, oppression of women and worshipping some mentally diseased clown from 2000 years ago. Perhaps they should stay in their own counties if they want to worship someone who doesn't exist.

habibko
12-19-2011, 11:27 AM
They really should. Western world has evolved past primitive imaginary friends, oppression of women and worshipping some mentally diseased clown from 2000 years ago. Perhaps they should stay in their own counties if they want to worship someone who doesn't exist.

what about native American/European/Australian Muslims? should they be deported as well?

buddyholly
12-19-2011, 01:21 PM
There can't be any citizens of a country whose very existence is still in dispute.

So that ends the Palestinian problem, I suppose.

tripwires
12-19-2011, 02:37 PM
They really should. Western world has evolved past primitive imaginary friends, oppression of women and worshipping some mentally diseased clown from 2000 years ago. Perhaps they should stay in their own counties if they want to worship someone who doesn't exist.

Christians and Catholics should get out of the West too, then?

abraxas21
12-19-2011, 02:46 PM
Christians and Catholics should get out of the West too, then?

as much as aloimeh and his kind would like us to believe otherwise, i got to insist with the premise that Catholics are Christians too

buddyholly
12-19-2011, 02:54 PM
Christians and Catholics should get out of the West too, then?

I think he meant that people should stay in the countries they are born in if they are not willing to adapt to countries they may move to.

Not that I am supporting his idea.

Stensland
12-19-2011, 03:43 PM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/paul-leads-in-iowa.html

Paul leads in Iowa


http://img283.imagevenue.com/loc410/th_312441825_RonPaulDec18_122_410lo.jpg (http://img283.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=312441825_RonPaulDec18_122_410lo.jpg )

the old man easily outdistancing the rest of the field...

Seingeist
12-20-2011, 12:51 AM
Kierkegaard explained it first.

:wavey:

The two thinkers have a very different approach to the matter, and I am not so much interested in who said it "first" as in who said it in a way that is likely to grab more people's attention.

Nietzsche is not only more popular than Kierkegaard among the younger generation, he is also (emphatically) not a theist, and so his claims about the destructive results of the "death of God" are less likely to be dismissed as the biased presumptions of an interested party.

But please accept my congratulations for your feeble attempt at one-upmanship. :yeah:

shiaben
12-20-2011, 05:58 AM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/paul-leads-in-iowa.html




http://img283.imagevenue.com/loc410/th_312441825_RonPaulDec18_122_410lo.jpg (http://img283.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=312441825_RonPaulDec18_122_410lo.jpg )

the old man easily outdistancing the rest of the field...

Yep, Ron Paul finally getting some decent results.

Black Adam
12-21-2011, 09:14 AM
Paul's fans tend to appear in mass at these straw polls, sadly don't read much into it.

Stensland
12-21-2011, 09:28 PM
just got back from the movies and i gotta say while i did like "the ides of march", some things didn't add up. major plot holes, implausible storyline etc.

Time Violation
12-21-2011, 10:05 PM
Paul's fans tend to appear in mass at these straw polls, sadly don't read much into it.

If they also appear in mass at the elections, good enough :)

Chip_s_m
12-21-2011, 10:22 PM
Paul's fans tend to appear in mass at these straw polls, sadly don't read much into it.

That wasn't a straw poll. Public Policy Polling is a legit polling company that puts a lot of effort into attempting to scientifically replicate the applicable electorate in its samples, although primary caucuses are notoriously difficult to predict. Paul is a serious contender and according to Intrade currently has the best odds to win Iowa, which would likely give him a boost in New Hampshire, where he's currently polling second:

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventClassId=19

fast_clay
12-22-2011, 12:51 AM
paul the renaissance man

buddyholly
12-22-2011, 01:45 AM
The publicity coming out on the racist newsletters he used to publish has killed his chances.

Yesterday he told Wolf Blitzer that although he was the publisher of the newsletter which made lots of money, the content of the newsletter had nothing to do with him.
Today when CNN returned to the story, he walked out of the interview.

He is this week's Herman Cain.

buddyholly
12-22-2011, 01:49 AM
just got back from the movies and i gotta say while i did like "the ides of march", some things didn't add up. major plot holes, implausible storyline etc.
I thought it was going to be a political thriller, but politics was just the setting, not the theme. The Descendants was not great either, but Hollywood can see no wrong with Clooney. He needs to be at the awards for the TV ratings, thus all the nominations will keep coming.

fast_clay
12-22-2011, 02:01 AM
The publicity coming out on the racist newsletters he used to publish has killed his chances.

Yesterday he told Wolf Blitzer that although he was the publisher of the newsletter which made lots of money, the content of the newsletter had nothing to do with him.
Today when CNN returned to the story, he walked out of the interview.

He is this week's Herman Cain.

i think it is a pretty thin argument... to have to dig so deep and so far back to get any dirt on paul is pretty poor and anyone with half a brain knows that it's impossible for raging libertarians to hold any sort of racial line other than equality amongst the individual people of the state... paul is not going away... the media think they have found something, but it won't stick...

gingrinch's change of opinion depending on the forecast of his bank account is another thing entirely...

fast_clay
12-22-2011, 02:05 AM
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buddyholly
12-22-2011, 04:08 AM
i think it is a pretty thin argument... to have to dig so deep and so far back to get any dirt on paul is pretty poor and anyone with half a brain knows that it's impossible for raging libertarians to hold any sort of racial line other than equality amongst the individual people of the state...

So the fact that these things were published in his newsletter under his name does not necessarily mean it was something he believed? Then why should we accept that what he says today is something he believes?
From what you wrote above it seems the logical conclusion to be drawn is that he is not a libertarian.

Or as someone said, if his own newsletter was publishing racist articles in his name and he did not know it, then he is not competent to be president.

fast_clay
12-22-2011, 04:38 AM
So the fact that these things were published in his newsletter under his name does not necessarily mean it was something he believed? Then why should we accept that what he says today is something he believes?
From what you wrote above it seems the logical conclusion to be drawn is that he is not a libertarian.

Or as someone said, if his own newsletter was publishing racist articles in his name and he did not know it, then he is not competent to be president.

you believe what you wish to believe... with the typical amount of shit slinging that goes on in election mode, i'd argue that fact that they have to dig as far back as 1982 to find something that he says he didnt back would represent a pretty solid candidate... notwithstanding the hours upon endless hours of footage preaching consistent libertarian ideology and monetary reform that he did say...

you should know yourself buddyholly, you are the one amongst us able to recall such consistency he preached when nixon finally separated the US dollar from the gold standard in 1971...

but forget all that, the only reason paul has gained steadily throughout the campaign while the other candidates are up and down like a yo-yo is that paul's followers are an informed bunch... they are not the fair-weather friends obama fooled with an empty slogan and a series of forgettable one-liners about the change that never happened... 'wooo yeah, yes we can, change wooooo, this is ahhhhsum...'

educated punters are the punters you want behind you... and he is educating them...

Jimnik
12-22-2011, 04:47 AM
CNN and the Jewish community will dig up everything and anything they can to destroy Ron Paul's integrity. Racism is the cheapest and most effective political attack but, as long as voters distinguish desperate accusations vs the real deal, it shouldn't work.

fast_clay
12-22-2011, 06:31 AM
CNN and the Jewish community will dig up everything and anything they can to destroy Ron Paul's integrity. Racism is the cheapest and most effective political attack but, as long as voters distinguish desperate accusations vs the real deal, it shouldn't work.

fresh, moist sh!t sticks to a wall when slung at a pace...

this is more your dry, outdated kind of shit... pretty sad really...

i'm not surprised he walked off the set of an interview really... because he can afford to... the demographic of the paul supporter does pick up the majority of their info from the mainstream... i use italics to emphasise because perhaps sites like youtube are quickly becoming the mainstream due to the fact that it does not preach an agenda under the guise of something else....

abraxas21
12-22-2011, 12:10 PM
talking about ron paul as if he had a shot to get the republican nomination, let alone get a shot to run for president, is useless.

even in the impossible lala land scenario in which he'd actually become president he'd either have to change his political agenda or else he'd probly get shot dead.

buddyholly
12-22-2011, 01:05 PM
you believe what you wish to believe... with the typical amount of shit slinging that goes on in election mode, i'd argue that fact that they have to dig as far back as 1982 to find something that he says he didnt back would represent a pretty solid candidate... notwithstanding the hours upon endless hours of footage preaching consistent libertarian ideology and monetary reform that he did say...



Hey, I wanted to like him too, but anyone who can say with a straight face that ''what was written in my name in my newsletter has nothing to do with what I really think'' can not be trusted with the presidency. What if he said ''it was my nuclear button and only I was authorized to press it, but I gave it to some extreme conspiracy theorists to do with as they pleased. So stop bothering me, what pleased them just happened to be something I would not have done."

fast_clay
12-22-2011, 03:13 PM
Hey, I wanted to like him too, but anyone who can say with a straight face that ''what was written in my name in my newsletter has nothing to do with what I really think'' can not be trusted with the presidency. What if he said ''it was my nuclear button and only I was authorized to press it, but I gave it to some extreme conspiracy theorists to do with as they pleased. So stop bothering me, what pleased them just happened to be something I would not have done."

that's ok mate.... your rule of thumb just excluded pretty much every US president ever elected...

forgive me the need to elaborate...

buddyholly
12-22-2011, 04:36 PM
that's ok mate.... your rule of thumb just excluded pretty much every US president ever elected...

forgive me the need to elaborate...

Excluding them from the presidency after they are elected would be difficult.

PS Is your avatar eternal or can we look forward to one of the Chaz Bono wannabe?

Stensland
12-22-2011, 04:53 PM
this turns into such a field of clowns and maniacs, obama will have a field day in 2012. he's leading all of them in the polls and hasn't even started campaigning. plus it's self-destruction galore on the right side.

whatever the economy is gonna look like, obama got bernanke in the tank, the guy who can create money out of thin air and will do so time and time again. i don't believe you can kick the can down the road forever, but you most certainly can kick it into 2013. pop the trainwreck that is the u.s. economy after the election, what the heck.

it's over for the republicans. the earlier they accept the upcoming meltdown, the easier it will be to come to terms with it. christie knew why he let this one go.

Garson007
12-22-2011, 06:52 PM
The need electorate reform. Nothing less will change anything in the USA political sphere so I'm not sure how different presidents will differ.

Black Adam
12-22-2011, 11:38 PM
So the fact that these things were published in his newsletter under his name does not necessarily mean it was something he believed? Then why should we accept that what he says today is something he believes?
From what you wrote above it seems the logical conclusion to be drawn is that he is not a libertarian.

Or as someone said, if his own newsletter was publishing racist articles in his name and he did not know it, then he is not competent to be president.
Obama. Reverend Wright. Hate Sermons.

Paul is not out. He'll run as 3rd party if necessary.

Topspindoctor
12-22-2011, 11:40 PM
They need to elect either Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter. Both are MILFs :hearts: It's not like Yanks will ever have a decent president anyway.

Garson007
12-23-2011, 10:57 AM
SMHBEAeNa-c

The guy's actually making sense. Scary.

Time Violation
12-23-2011, 11:28 AM
Hey, I wanted to like him too, but anyone who can say with a straight face that ''what was written in my name in my newsletter has nothing to do with what I really think'' can not be trusted with the presidency. What if he said ''it was my nuclear button and only I was authorized to press it, but I gave it to some extreme conspiracy theorists to do with as they pleased. So stop bothering me, what pleased them just happened to be something I would not have done."

Do you really think comparing some newsletter with a nuclear button is apt comparison? As Paul said himself, how come nobody is asking him about this or that policy, how do you solve this or that problem, they all want to hear about some ancient newsletter, if that's all they could dig up it shows just how desperate they are :)

Btw, now that you mentioned nuclear button, who would be safer to entrust it to, Paul or the likes of Bachmann, etc? :p

Chip_s_m
12-23-2011, 12:07 PM
Even if Paul was a massive racist he would still be significantly preferable to every other candidate.

Jimnik
12-23-2011, 03:50 PM
Indeed.

buddyholly
12-23-2011, 05:12 PM
Even if Paul was a massive racist he would still be significantly preferable to every other candidate.

I doubt he is a massive racist. Nevertheless back then he was looking for votes by pandering to the racists who were preparing for the coming race wars in America.

Black Adam
12-23-2011, 06:32 PM
Obama is the 4th greatest President.

Love the arrogance.

abraxas21
12-24-2011, 01:29 AM
I doubt he is a massive racist. Nevertheless back then he was looking for votes by pandering to the racists who were preparing for the coming race wars in America.

one of the first times i agree with you.

the racist letters aren't a surprise to me considering his long history record of pandering to rednecks all over the nation. after all, he did pull out this little gem in his prior failed campaign http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-iJKwskH4

still, it's funny to say it but the fact is that a semi libertarian racist clown would be a massive improvement over the other candidates. the USA really is in sad state.

buddyholly
12-24-2011, 04:21 AM
still, it's funny to say it but the fact is that a semi libertarian racist clown would be a massive improvement over the other candidates. the USA really is in sad state.

Dream on. The reality is that whoever is president hardly matters. The US is not a nanny nation.

buddyholly
12-24-2011, 04:25 AM
the racist letters aren't a surprise to me considering his long history record of pandering to rednecks all over the nation. after all, he did pull out this little gem in his prior failed campaign http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-iJKwskH4



Why did you pick a perfectly reasonable ad? If you think being opposed to open borders is a ''little gem'', then give me some examples of nations that the US should try to copy in its immigration policy.

Stensland
12-24-2011, 12:36 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70833.html

Gingrich fails to qualify for Va. primary ballot

Neumann
12-24-2011, 06:03 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70833.html

Gingrich fails to qualify for Va. primary ballot

It doesn't really matter, he was toast before he started running.
The only question left in this race is if Ron Paul will be able to end second and win a few primaries along the way.

If Paul wins Iowa, it will be so much fun to see the media going into a tailspin asking if he could win the whole thing :D
(before Romney crushes him due to superior electability and organization).

fast_clay
12-26-2011, 04:10 PM
he didn't walk it seems...

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fast_clay
12-26-2011, 05:40 PM
Today when CNN returned to the story, he walked out of the interview.

He is this week's Herman Cain.

^^

now i know where your sources are buddy ;)

media edit job getting carved the fuck up online.. class... :lol:

habibko
12-26-2011, 06:55 PM
SMHBEAeNa-c

The guy's actually making sense. Scary.

good stuff

doubt he can make it to office, "they" won't let him