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Whats keeping Tsonga from being a great of the game??

SetSampras
11-22-2011, 07:02 PM
And racking up a few slams in your opinion?

DrJules
11-22-2011, 07:03 PM
Too injury prone and movement could be better.

Saberq
11-22-2011, 07:04 PM
talent,game,BIG 3,his mind........

rubbERR
11-22-2011, 07:06 PM
What is? He is not good enough. :lol:

MuzzahLovah
11-22-2011, 07:06 PM
Movement, backhand, height. He moves about as well Berdych, but Berdy is 3 inches taller.

MaxPower
11-22-2011, 07:12 PM
His BMI is too high + he's french. They surrender sometimes :devil:

No but on a serious note it's the same thing that prevents Berdych. Plays a risky style. Also he's not a very smooth mover (that indeed has to do with his heavy build). That's not good in the clay season and on all the slow courts.

thrust
11-22-2011, 07:12 PM
And racking up a few slams in your opinion?

His brain mostly, sorry to say. I really like him, but he ususally manages to attempt the wrong shot at critical points of a match. He does seem to be getting better with this problem lately though.

yuri27
11-22-2011, 07:21 PM
BH.
You cannot seriously hope to win a GS in modern tennis with such a huge weakness in one of your groundstroke,especially not with the slowing of every surface.

Dougie
11-22-2011, 07:22 PM
Lack of variety and ability to adapt to different match-ups. Pretty one-dimensional player, whose good day and bad day are too far apart from each other.

henke007
11-22-2011, 07:27 PM
Bh and a brain..

buzz
11-22-2011, 07:31 PM
I think he is one of the guys who could win a slam in the next 3 years.

Ibracadabra
11-22-2011, 07:32 PM
No balls

MIMIC
11-22-2011, 07:41 PM
Consistency.

madmax
11-22-2011, 07:47 PM
he's not called Clownga for nothing...

yuri27
11-22-2011, 07:47 PM
No balls


Actually i d say he has too much balls for the talent he has.

Dougie
11-22-2011, 07:54 PM
Actually i d say he has too much balls for the talent he has.

Thereīs a fine line between having huge balls and very little brain.

tyruk14
11-22-2011, 07:58 PM
Brain. Tsonga is a huge talent. Solid technique with awesome firepower. If he had a brain Tsonga would be a consistent grand slam semifinalist, though he's not far off that standard to be fair. He might peak in his later years and reach another final, but he will not win one.

ossie
11-22-2011, 08:09 PM
serve bot

tektonac
11-22-2011, 08:24 PM
Iq.

hipolymer
11-22-2011, 08:27 PM
Return of Serve. What do all of the top players of the game have in common? They all have great returns of serve.

Tsonganator
11-22-2011, 08:38 PM
It is indeed his return of serve. His BH has improved a lot. He is more patient in rallies. But his ROS simply throws away tons of games. It amazes me how many times he can get the racquet on the ball and simply not hit it well/too far. He should spend every day training ROS for five hours.

DrJules
11-22-2011, 08:48 PM
Return of Serve. What do all of the top players of the game have in common? They all have great returns of serve.

It is indeed his return of serve. His BH has improved a lot. He is more patient in rallies. But his ROS simply throws away tons of games. It amazes me how many times he can get the racquet on the ball and simply not hit it well/too far. He should spend every day training ROS for five hours.

Poor return of serve has a lot to do with his movement.

BIGMARAT
11-22-2011, 08:51 PM
i think he has the balls, but too much balls rather with the talent that he has.

romismak
11-22-2011, 08:52 PM
Is this joke? i think it is obvious for anyone who is watching tennis. Tsonga is great player, when in form has the game to beat anyone- just like Berdych-Soderling, all of those guys simply can beat anyone, but Tsongaīs weaknesses- unconsistent, canīt play great for 5 matches in a row, his ROS sucks- comparing to top guys, his BH also used to better i think. Generally his movement is not good enough in modern physicall - quick tennis. His tennis IQ also isnīt very high i think, he is not thinking much on the court and also is very dependent on crowd- when is on his side goof for his game - more energy, seems play better, but also is going for more and making erroors. He needs mature just like Nole did. Novak was funny guy, now is more serious, also Tsonga should be more serious. Also his game is vulnerable on slower surfaces- very slow HC, clay- he canīt do much damage there, so he canīt earn enough points to go higher, but has the game to win Wimbledon, US open- fast normal US open, not this year slow. But he needs in future be more consistent, improove ROS, BH and moovement.

yuri27
11-22-2011, 08:57 PM
It is indeed his return of serve. His BH has improved a lot. He is more patient in rallies. But his ROS simply throws away tons of games. It amazes me how many times he can get the racquet on the ball and simply not hit it well/too far. He should spend every day training ROS for five hours.

I'm not sure about that.
It's still a terrible shot.

yuri27
11-22-2011, 08:59 PM
Is this joke? i think it is obvious for anyone who is watching tennis. Tsonga is great player, when in form has the game to beat anyone- just like Berdych-Soderling, all of those guys simply can beat anyone, but Tsongaīs weaknesses- unconsistent, canīt play great for 5 matches in a row, his ROS sucks- comparing to top guys, his BH also used to better i think. Generally his movement is not good enough in modern physicall - quick tennis. His tennis IQ also isnīt very high i think, he is not thinking much on the court and also is very dependent on crowd- when is on his side goof for his game - more energy, seems play better, but also is going for more and making erroors. He needs mature just like Nole did. Novak was funny guy, now is more serious, also Tsonga should be more serious. Also his game is vulnerable on slower surfaces- very slow HC, clay- he canīt do much damage there, so he canīt earn enough points to go higher, but has the game to win Wimbledon, US open- fast normal US open, not this year slow. But he needs in future be more consistent, improove ROS, BH and moovement.

Even when he was "funny", he was still winning far more things than Tsonga and especially a Grand Slam (at AO 2008).
Why??? Because contrary to Tsonga, he has no big weakness.

Djoker's FH: 90/100 (more consistent than Tsonga albeit not as destructive)
Tsonga's FH: 89/100

Djoker's BH: 95/100
Tsonga's BH: 65/100

That's all you need to know.

AllezUSA
11-22-2011, 09:00 PM
Return of Serve. What do all of the top players of the game have in common? They all have great returns of serve.

Amidst all of the ignorant responses, someone appears to have a clue.

romismak
11-22-2011, 09:05 PM
Even when he was "funny", he was still winning far more things than Tsonga and especially a Grand Slam (at AO 2008).
Why??? Because contrary to Tsonga, he has no big weakness.

Djoker's FH: 90/100 (more consistent than Tsonga albeit not as destructive)
Tsonga's FH: 89/100

Djoker's BH: 95/100
Tsonga's BH: 65/100

That's all you need to know.

Of course, Novak never had such weakneses like Jo- if he even has any weaknesses. But i was pointing out there about how serious he is dedicated to the game, definetely i think it would be much better for Tsonga to be more serious- adult, it is good for crowd to be showman, go for shots, but sometimes this hurts him much more than he benefit from it. Similar is Monfils- he is even worse in this case:D

Bradley~
11-23-2011, 03:46 AM
backhand and mental strength :shrug:

yuri27
11-23-2011, 06:51 AM
backhand and mental strength :shrug:

Mental strenght is fine.
Don t Forget the guy managed to come back from two sets down against the GOAT (and at Wimbledon to make it even more impressive) and also managed to save 3 break points against arguably the best returner when in form(fit Dave) to win his first Master serie.

Forehander
11-23-2011, 07:54 AM
He's got an awesome serve, amazing touch and volleys and an explosive forehand. His biggest weakness is his movement, which i honestly don't think it can get any better. Then 2nd of course is the backhand technique.

wee
11-23-2011, 08:30 AM
talent,game,BIG 3,his mind........
what do you mean his mind? He isn't tough enough?:confused:

BroTree123
11-24-2011, 07:53 AM
Solely his brain/mind/iq/mental strength. If that improves, every other flaw that he has in his game will fade.

Chase Visa
11-24-2011, 09:52 AM
Brain, fitness.

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 10:03 AM
his mediocre defense...

simplet
11-24-2011, 10:05 AM
I don't see how Tsonga has a brain problem. He plays pretty much exactly the way he needs to play to maximize his results. Sometimes the execution goes away for a while but that's a focus problem, not an IQ problem.

According to Tsonga himself his problem is physical. He was a beast circa 2008 but he was always injured. You can see now that he's a bit heavy on the court and slow to start all the time. If you go back and watch some of his matches in 2008, especially at the AO, he had a lot more explosivity, and having better movement improved his backhand and his ROS. I don't know if he can come back to that (and not be injured all the time).

Egreen
11-24-2011, 10:17 PM
Champion mentality.

Guest12315544
11-24-2011, 11:23 PM
Brain, fitness.

I agree although he has improved himself in both those area a good bit recently. Plus improve the back hand.

Guest12315544
11-24-2011, 11:26 PM
I don't see how Tsonga has a brain problem. He plays pretty much exactly the way he needs to play to maximize his results. Sometimes the execution goes away for a while but that's a focus problem, not an IQ problem.

According to Tsonga himself his problem is physical. He was a beast circa 2008 but he was always injured. You can see now that he's a bit heavy on the court and slow to start all the time. If you go back and watch some of his matches in 2008, especially at the AO, he had a lot more explosivity, and having better movement improved his backhand and his ROS. I don't know if he can come back to that (and not be injured all the time).

I think what people mean is not I.Q., but to be mentally tough in Matches.

Yolita
11-24-2011, 11:27 PM
He cannot win against the big guys when it really matters. He gets distracted by their aura. Watch him lose meekly to Roger if they meet again in the final. You won't see half the game you saw today. You'll see all those magnificently played drop-shots today miss spectacularly on Sunday.

He'll never win a Grand Slam like that. You have to beat the big guys consistently, in the big matches.

Shinoj
11-25-2011, 03:53 AM
There is nothing wrong with tsonga. The only problem is he relies too much on talent when facing the players. Because there are days when your A game wont be with you. Thats when he needs to have a back up plan. If his A game is not on his court he usually loses.

The thing with players like Nadal is, they have zero offensive game about them but they have a method of winning because for winning consistently you need a method but with Tsonga he relies almost on talent. When its on the court he can beat the best but that it doesnt happen for him regularly.

if he sorts out his consistency he will definitely win a Grand Slam.

tests
11-25-2011, 05:17 AM
He cannot win against the big guys when it really matters. He gets distracted by their aura. Watch him lose meekly to Roger if they meet again in the final. You won't see half the game you saw today. You'll see all those magnificently played drop-shots today miss spectacularly on Sunday.

He'll never win a Grand Slam like that. You have to beat the big guys consistently, in the big matches.

pretty sure nadal is a "big" guy

abraxas21
11-25-2011, 05:59 AM
slow courts

abraxas21
11-25-2011, 06:00 AM
He cannot win against the big guys when it really matters. He gets distracted by their aura. Watch him lose meekly to Roger if they meet again in the final. You won't see half the game you saw today. You'll see all those magnificently played drop-shots today miss spectacularly on Sunday.


:rolleyes:
didnt he beat federer in wimbledon this year coming from 2 sets down?

abraxas21
11-25-2011, 06:04 AM
I think what people mean is not I.Q., but to be mentally tough in Matches.

i happen to think tsonga is generally a pretty sound player in the mental toughness department. the thing that gets some people off is that he likes to takes a lot of risks in the big moments and sometimes they pay off and sometimes they don't. it's a bit like fernando gonzalez but a bit less extreme, imo.

however, that's what his game is about. tsonga isnt a mug defensive player like 90% of the tour is right now (thanks, slow courts). tsonga likes being in control of the points and he needs to be dictating play and win the matches on his own terms.

Haelfix
11-25-2011, 06:32 AM
His D is fine, his bh is fine, his mental strength is good and the movement is excellent for his size

The return of serve is mediocre tis true, in particular the 2nd serve Ros.

But far and away it's his shot selection that's the problem. It's not that he is too aggressive, it's that he makes stupid judgement calls all the time.

Sampras was an aggressive guy, but he was a master at choosing his spots. Tsonga chooses the wrong spots consistently.

I've seen him kill a fh winner when a simple tap into the open court would suffice as an example of what i mean.

bandabou
11-25-2011, 07:31 AM
A bit frenchness..they ain't killers. He's got the game, but the mind isn't there yet.

Much like with Monfils.

Dr.Slice
11-25-2011, 07:53 AM
His problem is that he has to face three awesome tennis players (Fed, Nadal, Djoker), they are mostly too good for him to beat. If he was playing in a weaker era (like the 90s) he would have won slams by now.

MatchFederer
11-25-2011, 08:10 AM
slow courts....

atennisfan
11-25-2011, 09:35 AM
His D is fine, his bh is fine, his mental strength is good and the movement is excellent for his size

The return of serve is mediocre tis true, in particular the 2nd serve Ros.

But far and away it's his shot selection that's the problem. It's not that he is too aggressive, it's that he makes stupid judgement calls all the time.

Sampras was an aggressive guy, but he was a master at choosing his spots. Tsonga chooses the wrong spots consistently.

I've seen him kill a fh winner when a simple tap into the open court would suffice as an example of what i mean.

I totally agree with this assessment.

There were a few times when I was like WTF, watching him at the net choosing a very laboured cross-court forehand back to where nadal was exactly standing, instead of just putting away the ball down the line easy.

It seems his brain freezes everytime now and then.

yuri27
11-25-2011, 11:16 AM
He cannot win against the big guys when it really matters. He gets distracted by their aura. Watch him lose meekly to Roger if they meet again in the final. You won't see half the game you saw today. You'll see all those magnificently played drop-shots today miss spectacularly on Sunday.

He'll never win a Grand Slam like that. You have to beat the big guys consistently, in the big matches.

So it didn't really matter for you when he beat Federer at Wimbledon (Federer's main objective every year) or when he destroyed Nadal in a GS 1/2 final??
I guess only the matches against Djoker matter.:worship:

slow courts

+100000000000
I bet my computer that Tsonga would not have been slamless during the 90's.

A bit frenchness..they ain't killers. He's got the game, but the mind isn't there yet.

Much like with Monfils.

Please, don't even compare PushFils to Tsonga.

His D is fine, his bh is fine, his mental strength is good and the movement is excellent for his size


No, it is not.

henke007
11-25-2011, 11:51 AM
The clay season

oranges
11-25-2011, 11:52 AM
Injuries