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who's the greatest tie break mug?

helvet empire
11-20-2011, 11:32 PM
any other ideas?:confused::confused:

LawrenceOfTennis
11-20-2011, 11:32 PM
don't know but Fish is a fine one.

ZaZoo)
11-20-2011, 11:33 PM
Ferrer

shiaben
11-20-2011, 11:34 PM
Troicki, even though he probably never plays that much tiebreaks. He sucks at everything.

abraxas21
11-20-2011, 11:38 PM
fish is 23-44

cilic is 11-28

so cilic, i guess.

helvet empire
11-20-2011, 11:40 PM
fish is 23-44

cilic is 11-28

so cilic, i guess.

yes but you also need to take into account the general suckiness of the player: cilic is undoubtedly much more of a mug than fish in general, his level of play doesn't drop THAT much in the TB.
Fish however...:worship::worship:

alter ego
11-20-2011, 11:46 PM
I don't think I can remember a more horrible TB than what Fish showed tonight. He couldn't even keep the ball in play. I mean Nadal was just rolling 80 mph 2nd serve towards Fish' FH and Mardy was missing FH after FH.

Voo de Mar
11-20-2011, 11:56 PM
Fish's career final set tie-break record is 18-13 which places him above most of guys in this stats.

Deathless Mortal
11-21-2011, 12:09 AM
fish is 23-44

cilic is 11-28

so cilic, i guess.

:scratch: Cilic is 15-9 in TBs this year :shrug:

emotion
11-21-2011, 02:00 AM
198-202 Karlovic is AWFUL given his serve

abraxas21
11-21-2011, 02:11 AM
:scratch: Cilic is 15-9 in TBs this year :shrug:

my bad. i was looking at the wrong stats

cilic is 58-69 in tiebreaks in his career. not that bad actually.
fish is 104-110. not that bad at all either

emotion
11-21-2011, 02:18 AM
73-97 Wawrinka

abraxas21
11-21-2011, 02:20 AM
btw, last year i compiled the career tiebreak stats for all active players with at least 90 tiebreaks played in their careers.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=170019&highlight=

Voo de Mar
11-21-2011, 02:40 AM
Here's my helpful post (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=4944848&postcount=9)

v-money
11-21-2011, 02:50 AM
Here's my helpful post (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=4944848&postcount=9)

In a Andreev vs Seppi thread I think I mentioned that Seppi was a worse TB player than Andreev, but I didn't have the stats to prove it. Do you happen to know the stats for deciding set tiebreaks? I imagine Seppi would be near the top of that one as well, considering how much trouble he has closing matches.

Henry Chinaski
11-21-2011, 03:10 AM
Fish's career final set tie-break record is 18-13 which places him above most of guys in this stats.

that's pretty good.

Without looking into it I'd guess most of them were against other yank mugs in places like Newport, LA, Memphis and San Jose.

Voo de Mar
11-21-2011, 03:28 AM
In a Andreev vs Seppi thread I think I mentioned that Seppi was a worse TB player than Andreev, but I didn't have the stats to prove it. Do you happen to know the stats for deciding set tiebreaks? I imagine Seppi would be near the top of that one as well, considering how much trouble he has closing matches.

I work on this stats and will post it soon. Andreev has one of the worst ratios in the deciding 3rd set tie-break, I haven't counted Seppi yet, but the Italian despite his poor tie-break record, has one of the best ratios of m.p. matches among active players.


Without looking into it I'd guess most of them were against other yank mugs in places like Newport, LA, Memphis and San Jose.

Not exactly, Fish has won deciding tie-breaks against excellent players in this department like Nalbandian and Murray (twice).

Voo de Mar
11-21-2011, 02:06 PM
^ Seppi is paradoxical, an awful tie-break player but very good when it comes to the deciding tie-break set. He has a 11-5 record (.687) - the same numbers for Murray, only Nalbandian is better with 15-6 (.714) among active players, who played at least 10 tie-breaks of this kind.

guyha4
11-21-2011, 02:38 PM
Sela is pretty good in his career as well, winning over players like Roddick and Gonzo (he is 31-30) but fish is better from the two of the poll

Mateya
11-21-2011, 07:46 PM
^ Seppi is paradoxical, an awful tie-break player but very good when it comes to the deciding tie-break set. He has a 11-5 record (.687) - the same numbers for Murray, only Nalbandian is better with 15-6 (.714) among active players, who played at least 10 tie-breaks of this kind.

Andreas :worship:

He had just an embarrassing TB record in 2008 and 2009. It was something like 7-15, he probably couldn't win a tiebreak if he played it against his grandfather. Having such a bad TB record can't be good for confidence, he was nervous already at 5-5, sensing there is a tiebreak coming soon. He lost plenty of matches just because of these losing tiebreaks.

He really got better last year and this year too. My positive energy and therapies he has been receiving in Umag must have helped him a lot. :angel:
:)

philosophicalarf
11-21-2011, 08:42 PM
What's interesting is to weight tiebreaks by player serving ability. For example, Karlovic's tiebreak record at 49/50%ish or whatever it is is absolutely atrocious. Seppi sub 50% isn't so bad though, because of a weak serve.

Tricky to do properly though, it's on my todo but well down the list :-)

janko05
11-21-2011, 11:11 PM
Berdych has just qualified :)

henke007
11-21-2011, 11:19 PM
Berdych became GOAT right there..