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O2 Arena looks faster than last year

Luinir
11-20-2011, 12:53 PM
I am now watching doubles match and court DEFINITELY looks faster than last year.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-20-2011, 12:54 PM
Surprising. ATP should correct themselves and change it to blue clay in time.

Saberq
11-20-2011, 01:00 PM
doubles always look faster ......it is a faster pace....your mind is playing tricks it is the same speed

Luinir
11-20-2011, 01:01 PM
We'll see better in next match.

MaxPower
11-20-2011, 01:10 PM
I don't see much difference. But it's the combo of balls + surface that matters. Those HEAD balls plays tricks on people. Sometimes they get worn superfast like in Paris and then it looks slow (like ass) and then they switch to new balls and it suddenly looks medium again. They need to fix the balls + surface combo so it never again can be like Paris. If they got a rough surface that fluffs up the balls then they need different balls and so on

GSMnadal
11-20-2011, 01:15 PM
Disgusting that they changed the speed against the tradition of the O2 arena

scoobs
11-20-2011, 01:17 PM
Wow. If it's faster do you think everyone will start serve and volleying?

No. Me neither.

emotion
11-20-2011, 01:22 PM
Becker said he thought it was slower.

Sunset of Age
11-20-2011, 01:23 PM
I doubt you can fully judge the velocity/bounce of the court by just watching the first set of a doubles match...

alter ego
11-20-2011, 01:47 PM
Disgusting that they changed the speed against the tradition of the O2 arena

Tradition of the O2 arena. :haha:

Saberq
11-20-2011, 02:09 PM
Tradition of the O2 arena. :haha:

that 2 years really made history

Chirag
11-20-2011, 02:19 PM
the tournament director said that the surface was the same as last year

Wojtek
11-20-2011, 02:31 PM
it's slower

scarecrows
11-20-2011, 02:32 PM
no big change from paris

Action Jackson
11-20-2011, 02:33 PM
No

Filo V.
11-20-2011, 02:36 PM
Still slow and awful.

solowyn
11-20-2011, 02:43 PM
Castle/Henman said it seemed a little slower and higher bouncing than last year but should speed up a bit as the week goes on.

Shirogane
11-20-2011, 02:59 PM
Those HEAD balls plays tricks on people. Sometimes they get worn superfast like in Paris and then it looks slow (like ass) and then they switch to new balls and it suddenly looks medium again.I laughed, I must admit. :lol:

rocketassist
11-20-2011, 03:11 PM
If it's been slowed down then like Paris I'm not gonna be watching a single point.

Nole Rules
11-20-2011, 03:11 PM
No. Still slower than ass.

philosophicalarf
11-20-2011, 03:14 PM
Tsonga said it's faster than Bercy. That's not difficult though, Bercy was insanely slow.

Slice Winner
11-20-2011, 03:34 PM
Looks slow and high bouncing. Nadal should do well.

Jaz
11-20-2011, 03:44 PM
Slow.

Nadal will do well.

ossie
11-20-2011, 04:52 PM
Wow. If it's faster do you think everyone will start serve and volleying?

No. Me neither.
no but that has more to do with it being an outdated, ineffective playstyle than the speed of the courts

rocketassist
11-20-2011, 05:05 PM
no but that has more to do with it being an outdated, ineffective playstyle than the speed of the courts

wrong AS USUAL

Filo V.
11-20-2011, 05:06 PM
The fact people continue to think Nadal will automatically do well because it's a slow surface shows me how little so many here know about tennis.

timafi
11-20-2011, 05:10 PM
hell no that shit slow as hell

Slice Winner
11-20-2011, 05:31 PM
The fact people continue to think Nadal will automatically do well because it's a slow surface shows me how little so many here know about tennis.

It's a slow court which apparently takes spin well. The perfect HC for Nadal. It's not a guarantee that he will do well, but it's the perfect conditions.
(I know Nadal has said he prefers a fast court, but Murray says his favourite surface is clay. Nadal's best HC results have been on slow, high-bouncing HCs.)

Bashak
11-20-2011, 05:39 PM
I am now watching doubles match and court DEFINITELY looks faster than last year.

What channel showed it?

KoOlMaNsEaN
11-20-2011, 05:43 PM
It only looked faster because Tsonga hits the crap out of the ball...

lilygotsilly
11-20-2011, 06:08 PM
Ive dealt with contacts at Gerflor, and the Jean Francois at Paris along with a Tour official.

Its really not too complicated - they wanted the same surface conditions for the Big 4 at the end of the year - problem is that climate effects the indoors more than people think. Valencia this time of year is very damp and that gets into thier arena and slows down play. Basel has some altitude that is somewhat exaggerated indoors and speeds up play. London and Paris are somewhere in between

But the Greenset for Basel, Valencia and London all the same and very close to the Gerflor in Paris this year. They tried to make them the same, but Gerflor was using a little harder acrylic- but more rounded silica == higher but faster bounce. Greenset went back to more slick, rounded silica on top like they use to use a few years ago when they were a quicker surface = Greenset a little quicker than last year(more sticky sub angular sand last year) - but still a little slower than Gerflor BUT lower bounce == BASICALLY THE SAME

So all surfaces with all Head ATP balls = Medium pace of play giving advantages to no single player. Because of climate Basel little quicker, Valencia a little slower

The reason London looked so slow in the First Singles match today is due to problems with Heat and AC - -sounds weird , but a lot of DRY AIR = STATIC CHARGE = SLOW ! Once the humidity picks up it will lose the dryness and static and start playing a little quicker

Will then be at the MEDIUM PACE LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THESE DAYS

rocketassist
11-20-2011, 06:16 PM
Ive dealt with contacts at Gerflor, and the Jean Francois at Paris along with a Tour official.

Its really not too complicated - they wanted the same surface conditions for the Big 4 at the end of the year - problem is that climate effects the indoors more than people think. Valencia this time of year is very damp and that gets into thier arena and slows down play. Basel has some altitude that is somewhat exaggerated indoors and speeds up play. London and Paris are somewhere in between

But the Greenset for Basel, Valencia and London all the same and very close to the Gerflor in Paris this year. They tried to make them the same, but Gerflor was using a little harder acrylic- but more rounded silica == higher but faster bounce. Greenset went back to more slick, rounded silica on top like they use to use a few years ago when they were a quicker surface = Greenset a little quicker than last year(more sticky sub angular sand last year) - but still a little slower than Gerflor BUT lower bounce == BASICALLY THE SAME

So all surfaces with all Head ATP balls = Medium pace of play giving advantages to no single player. Because of climate Basel little quicker, Valencia a little slower

The reason London looked so slow in the First Singles match today is due to problems with Heat and AC - -sounds weird , but a lot of DRY AIR = STATIC CHARGE = SLOW ! Once the humidity picks up it will lose the dryness and static and start playing a little quicker

Will then be at the MEDIUM PACE LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THESE DAYS

:confused: most courts aren't anywhere near medium pace!

lilygotsilly
11-20-2011, 06:52 PM
:confused: most courts aren't anywhere near medium pace!

LOL - that's the goal of all the TV big wigs and the tour - - eliminate conditions as a factor- one medium pace - so its all about the players!

But Medium is a subjective term. Maybe you think everything is slow now - compared to the 1990s you would be right. By Medium pace , I simply mean fair to every style - not like the Grass or indoor carpets of the 90s, but not like the slower Clay of the old French open or some of the slower clay courts that exist today - Monte Carlo, Estoril.

But if you are just rating Indoor pace - then this isnt even medium - you are correct. Did you watch the challengers the last couple of weeks- there's some faster indoor tennis for you ;)

Kat_YYZ
11-20-2011, 06:54 PM
thanks for the explanation, lilygotsilly :)

rocketassist
11-20-2011, 06:56 PM
LOL - that's the goal of all the TV big wigs and the tour - - eliminate conditions as a factor- one medium pace - so its all about the players!

But Medium is a subjective term. Maybe you think everything is slow now - compared to the 1990s you would be right. By Medium pace , I simply mean fair to every style - not like the Grass or indoor carpets of the 90s, but not like the slower Clay of the old French open or some of the slower clay courts that exist today - Monte Carlo, Estoril.

But if you are just rating Indoor pace - then this isnt even medium - you are correct. Did you watch the challengers the last couple of weeks- there's some faster indoor tennis for you ;)

These courts ALL favour defensive brick wall players, not pro-active attacking players, shot makers or serve volleyers.

Shirogane
11-20-2011, 07:42 PM
Higher bounce compared to last year, according to Federer.

Matt01
11-20-2011, 07:51 PM
:confused: most courts aren't anywhere near medium pace!

These courts ALL favour defensive brick wall players, not pro-active attacking players, shot makers or serve volleyers.


Oh, rocket my friend, still whining I see. :lol:
Seriously, if you cannot enjoy the tennis anymore, why don't you just stop watching tennis (and quit posting on this forum) and let the true tennis fans enjoy the sport? :D

:D

rocketassist
11-20-2011, 08:19 PM
Oh, rocket my friend, still whining I see. :lol:
Seriously, if you cannot enjoy the tennis anymore, why don't you just stop watching tennis (and quit posting on this forum) and let the true tennis fans enjoy the sport? :D

:D

You aren't a true tennis fan, you're a corporate ATP 'fan' who eats up anything it spits out.

Matt01
11-20-2011, 08:34 PM
You aren't a true tennis fan, you're a corporate ATP 'fan' who eats up anything it spits out.


No,, I'm not. But if you think that your whining on an internet message board will change anything, please go on :lol:

rocketassist
11-20-2011, 08:39 PM
No,, I'm not. But if you think that your whining on an internet message board will change anything, please go on :lol:

Your faves get handed everything on a silver platter, course you're not gonna give a damn. :shrug:

Matt01
11-20-2011, 11:08 PM
You know this is crap, rocket.

Mae
11-21-2011, 12:34 AM
Actually the media people were saying it was a quick court :shrug:

philosophicalarf
11-21-2011, 01:25 AM
Ive dealt with contacts at Gerflor, and the Jean Francois at Paris along with a Tour official.


Lol, you're here also. I suspect you won't last long, it's not as polite as elsewhere.

By the way, describing them as "contacts" you're "dealing with" - are you a tennis journalist?


The reason London looked so slow in the First Singles match today is due to problems with Heat and AC - -sounds weird , but a lot of DRY AIR = STATIC CHARGE = SLOW ! Once the humidity picks up it will lose the dryness and static and start playing a little quicker


I think you must have been looking at some other London.

Humidity was actually 98-100% during the Fed-Tsonga match, because of the fog. It was so bad a pile of flights got cancelled.

lilygotsilly
11-21-2011, 01:57 AM
LOL - i have my guesses as to who you are. Anyway - I really do talk to these people - amazing that people will believe whatever they read on the internet , but someone saying they go back and forth with manufacturers and tournament officials is completely un believable.

Of course , with London , I was talking about inside the Arena - but if the info you gave is correct then that explains something - but as I said earlier - if there's any real effect it pretty much balances out between dry and wet - which makes for good indoor conditions. iF its getting too humid indoors today , then that will make for a slower pace - either way they do a good job at the O2 so it will be ironed out -

Ive been here for a while - dont use the site that often or post that often - just thought I would chime in quick this time

YOu better get over to your player quotes - there should be a lot - -Feds already saying "high bounce" better mark it down in your notes. LOL

hosay
11-21-2011, 06:40 AM
its much slower and bouncy than Paris. Federer serve and one punch tennis all the way in Paris and against Tsonga. Today Tsonga gets to rally a lot more and won a set. With this court Djokovic had this easy.

Jaz
11-21-2011, 08:11 AM
its much slower and bouncy than Paris. Federer serve and one punch tennis all the way in Paris and against Tsonga. Today Tsonga gets to rally a lot more and won a set. With this court Djokovic had this easy.

I disagree with this assessment. In my mind Joker is more vulnerable on slower surfaces. Djokovic is not really a retriever as such, not in the Murray and Nadal sense.

henke007
11-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Its still blu clay nothing new here..

Agrajag
11-21-2011, 09:50 AM
I disagree with this assessment. In my mind Joker is more vulnerable on slower surfaces. Djokovic is not really a retriever as such, not in the Murray and Nadal sense.

Not like them, he is even better at it.

hosay
11-21-2011, 10:05 AM
I disagree with this assessment. In my mind Joker is more vulnerable on slower surfaces. Djokovic is not really a retriever as such, not in the Murray and Nadal sense.

He is the best returner out of top 4 right now. He is strongest at slowest court like AO, miami and indian wells. But who knows he may be vulnerable to play defensively right now health wise.

Multiple Ernests
11-21-2011, 12:49 PM
I really do talk to these people - amazing that people will believe whatever they read on the internet , but someone saying they go back and forth with manufacturers and tournament officials is completely un believable.

lol, god forbid someone actually knows something on mtf. around these parts, i find that baseless/biased complaining trumps actual knowledge and insight most of the time. at any rate, i appreciate your court speed info, so thanks for sharing.