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The best season? Fed, Nadal or Djoko?

legolandbridge
11-19-2011, 02:03 PM
We've seen a few 3-Slam seasons recently. But which one was really the best?
I say it's the player who accumulated the most points.

The ATP points double in 2009 (2000 for a Slam instead of 1000; 1000 for a Masters series instead of 500) so I adjusted Federer's total in 2006 and 2007 by doubling his point total.

Djokovic 2011: 13,475 (possibly up to 14,975 after the Masters)
Nadal 2010: 12,450
Federer 2007: 14,360
Federer 2006: 16,740

So Federer in 2006 had the best season, Djokovic in 2011 has a chance to take second if he wins the WTF in London, then 2007 Fed and finally 2010 Nadal.

What did I miss?

legolandbridge
11-19-2011, 02:07 PM
I missed Fed 2004 who had 6,335 points x 2 = 12,670.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-19-2011, 02:10 PM
121st time this issue is discussed

Apemant
11-19-2011, 02:11 PM
You missed something else... the points weren't just doubled.

It was 1000 points GS win, 700 points GS final, 450 points semi.

Now its 2000, 1200, 720.

So you can't just double Federer's points from 2006; you get more than it really was.

It would be better to actually take Fed's results from 2006 and just use the today's scoring system. However, I'm too lazy to do that now.

legolandbridge
11-19-2011, 02:14 PM
Thanks. Yeah, I did a quick adjustment, not good enough then. Has anyone actually done the math, as LawrenceofTennis seems to imply this has been done before?

Also wondering who's held the most points at a single time? Perhaps that's the most dominant tennis player.

GSMnadal
11-19-2011, 02:16 PM
No need to recalculate, it's obviously Nadal's :p

barbadosan
11-19-2011, 02:18 PM
Thanks. Yeah, I did a quick adjustment, not good enough then. Has anyone actually done the math, as LawrenceofTennis seems to imply this has been done before?

Also wondering who's held the most points at a single time? Perhaps that's the most dominant tennis player.

I've seen the comparison done across titles won, matches won/lost, but I can't remember seeing total points with adjustments made - but I may have missed that <shrug>

Arakasi
11-19-2011, 02:29 PM
Also wondering who's held the most points at a single time?

Federer.

The interesting thing is whether you should calculate todays point in the old format or the old point in todays format because you don't get necessarily get the same results. It's a moot point though because I think Federer leads no matter how you calculate it.

legolandbridge
11-19-2011, 02:30 PM
It's probably still Federer 2006. He's the only one who reached the final of the Slam he didn't win (French Open), plus he won the WTF and 4 Masters titles (IW / Miami / Canada / Madrid) and 2 finals (Monaco, Rome).

Arakasi
11-19-2011, 02:30 PM
Also Nadal 2010 isn't really in the discussion. In fact I think Nadal's highest ever points total was just after Indian Wells '09.

Fedex
11-19-2011, 03:01 PM
Federer 2006 is clearly #1. Then a case could be made for Federer 2007 season or Djokovic's 2011 season (pending the WTF). Then I'd place Federer's 2004 season over Nadal's 2010.

Orka_n
11-19-2011, 03:07 PM
Golubev 2011

Saberq
11-19-2011, 03:23 PM
Nadal's is the weakest in 2010...worst competition ever....his US Open draw was a joke ....Novak was shit the entire year along with Murray and Fed...We had Ljubicic and Roddick winning IW and Miami and stuff........his Wimbledon was also a joke with Berdych who folded and Soderling and Jurgen in RG so no Rafa's 2010 was weak

SetSampras
11-19-2011, 04:50 PM
Novak 2011>>> all. 10-1 over Fedal. The most masters, 3 slams etc. Fed's 2006 is close but Nole's is more impressive when you factor in the Fedal h2h (Nadal in his prime, he was a few years prior to his prime in 2006), masters, and equal slam count. The only thing that could stop Nole was injuries.. Because no other player could.

2006 was a very dominant year for Fed but was a SHIT year in terms of competition. Roddick going downhill from a few years prior, Hewitt going downhill, Nadal still just a greenhorn and pretty crappy outside of clay etc. Crap like Davydenko, Ljubicic, Baghaditis, and the rest of the clowns hanging around. Safin and Nalbandian MIA

Mountaindewslave
11-19-2011, 05:03 PM
Federer 2004/2006/2007 and probably the best with Djokovic 2011 next and Nadal 2010 in last. However, all are great years and none should be diminished that much by another, when it is a a tournament or two difference between them

barbadosan
11-19-2011, 05:52 PM
I finally figured out who SetSampras reminds me of: the boy who stood on the burning deck.. :haha:

SetSampras
11-19-2011, 06:02 PM
ROFL.. Lets put 2011 Djokovic into Fed's place 2006 and see what results he has. He EASILY gets the calendar slam that year. If all he has to worry about is clay king Rafa who sucks everywhere else. Or declined Hewitt or Roddick or Davydenko or Ljubcic etc.

barbadosan
11-19-2011, 06:50 PM
ROFL.. Lets put 2011 Djokovic into Fed's place 2006 and see what results he has. He EASILY gets the calendar slam that year. If all he has to worry about is clay king Rafa who sucks everywhere else. Or declined Hewitt or Roddick or Davydenko or Ljubcic etc.

Except that to get the RG title, you actually have to play the final - and only in fairy tale ifa, coulda and shoulda land, can any match not actually played be assured of a wished for outcome.

For instance, I'm sure if the 2001 match between Fed and Sampras had not actually taken place, all like now you'd be trying to convince us that "had they met", Pete would have won it at a canter. Luckily, that match did take place in reality, and not in if, coulda, shoulda land.

juan27
11-19-2011, 07:03 PM
Novak 2011>>> all. 10-1 over Fedal. The most masters, 3 slams etc. Fed's 2006 is close but Nole's is more impressive when you factor in the Fedal h2h (Nadal in his prime, he was a few years prior to his prime in 2006), masters, and equal slam count. The only thing that could stop Nole was injuries.. Because no other player could.

2006 was a very dominant year for Fed but was a SHIT year in terms of competition. Roddick going downhill from a few years prior, Hewitt going downhill, Nadal still just a greenhorn and pretty crappy outside of clay etc. Crap like Davydenko, Ljubicic, Baghaditis, and the rest of the clowns hanging around. Safin and Nalbandian MIA

federer is in decline since 2010 , the only true rival of nole is nadal, because the rest of the field( without nadal and decline federer) is patetic, worst than in previous years , this top-10 and 2010 top-10 were patetic with many mugs like melzer,monfils or almugro!!!!

only 1 player or maybe two is stroger season???

Corey Feldman
11-19-2011, 07:12 PM
2 things that only need said:

4 GS Finals

92-5


ROFL.. Lets put 2011 Djokovic into Fed's place 2006 and see what results he has. He EASILY gets the calendar slam that year. If all he has to worry about is clay king Rafa who sucks everywhere else. Or declined Hewitt or Roddick or Davydenko or Ljubcic etc.you mean declined Roddick who has a winning record over Nole :lol:

legolandbridge
11-19-2011, 07:12 PM
I recalculated Federer's 2006 and 2007 seasons using the point system of 2011.

Here are the results for best season by number of points:

Federer 2006 - 15,745 points
Federer 2007 - 14,080
Djokovic 2011 - 13,475 * (pending WTF)
Nadal 2010 - 12,450

I didn't calculate Fed 2004 but that season has a lot of holes with a R3 loss at FO and a few others.

Math below, if anybody cares to verify. Also I'm assuming all results count, and didn't take Davis Cup into account.

2006
250 Doha winner
2000 Australian winner
300 Dubai final
1000 IW winner
1000 Miami winner
600 Monaco final
600 Rome final
1200 French Open final
250 Halle winner
2000 Wimbly winner
1000 Canada winner
45 Cincy R32
2000 US Open winner
500 Tokyo winner
1000 Madrid winner
500 Basel winner
1500 WTF winner
------
15,745

2007
2000 Australia winner
500 Dubai winner
10 IW R64
90 Miami R16
600 Monaco final
90 Rome R16
2000 Hamburg winner
1200 FO final
2000 wimbly winner
600 canada final
1000 cincy winner
2000 uso winner
600 madrid final
90 paris R16
1300 WTF winner (one loss)
------
14,080

solowyn
11-19-2011, 07:28 PM
Federer 2006 - 15,745 points
Awesome :yeah:

RogerFedererNo1
11-19-2011, 07:46 PM
ROFL.. Lets put 2011 Djokovic into Fed's place 2006 and see what results he has. He EASILY gets the calendar slam that year. If all he has to worry about is clay king Rafa who sucks everywhere else. Or declined Hewitt or Roddick or Davydenko or Ljubcic etc.

:o

Hewitt won 2 GS, 2 TMC and finished 2 years at No. 1. Roddick would be a multiple slam winner if he had not to play against peak Federer. And Ljubicic won his first Masters in 2010, in 2006 the competition was too hard to win a masters ;)And at 32 1/2 years old he´s still able to finish at No.30

And you forget how strong Fed was in 2006. 18-0 against all Top 10 players but Nadal (2-4), 6 bagels in finals (2 slam finals, 2 masters finals, 1 TMC final and against Berdych on Grass), and two bagels in Slam semis, too :cool:

No way, Djokovic´s 2011 is as good as Federer´s 2006.

rocketassist
11-19-2011, 07:59 PM
ROFL.. Lets put 2011 Djokovic into Fed's place 2006 and see what results he has. He EASILY gets the calendar slam that year. If all he has to worry about is clay king Rafa who sucks everywhere else. Or declined Hewitt or Roddick or Davydenko or Ljubcic etc.

2011 Djokovic gets nowhere near Wimbledon, and has his arse spanked by Fed in both hardcourt slams. Game over.

rocketassist
11-19-2011, 08:01 PM
BTW I take Fed 04 over Fed 06 for the simple reason I believe the competition was a lot better in 04 than 06, for example Guga in an RG third round, can't diss that.

Fed 04
Fed 06
Fed 07
Djokovic 11
Nadal 10

Djoker's easily pisses over Nadal's cause of the Streak and also he played a much higher level of tennis, overpowering the Spaniard in the big matches instead of Nadal relying on errorfests from Soderling, Berdych and Djoker himself in the 2010 finals.

RogerFedererNo1
11-19-2011, 08:13 PM
BTW I take Fed 04 over Fed 06 for the simple reason I believe the competition was a lot better in 04 than 06, for example Guga in an RG third round, can't diss that.

Fed 04
Fed 06
Fed 07
Djokovic 11
Nadal 10

Djoker's easily pisses over Nadal's cause of the Streak and also he played a much higher level of tennis, overpowering the Spaniard in the big matches instead of Nadal relying on errorfests from Soderling, Berdych and Djoker himself in the 2010 finals.

What about Fed 05? ;) And Djokovic 11 is better than Fed 07, I think. And although 2004 was great (18-0 against Top 10), 2006 was still better.

DrJules
11-19-2011, 08:30 PM
Novak 2011>>> all. 10-1 over Fedal. The most masters, 3 slams etc. Fed's 2006 is close but Nole's is more impressive when you factor in the Fedal h2h (Nadal in his prime, he was a few years prior to his prime in 2006), masters, and equal slam count. The only thing that could stop Nole was injuries.. Because no other player could.

2006 was a very dominant year for Fed but was a SHIT year in terms of competition. Roddick going downhill from a few years prior, Hewitt going downhill, Nadal still just a greenhorn and pretty crappy outside of clay etc. Crap like Davydenko, Ljubicic, Baghaditis, and the rest of the clowns hanging around. Safin and Nalbandian MIA

I have no difficulties with anybody claiming either the Djokovic 2011, Federer 2006, Nadal 2010, Federer 2007 or Federer 2004 is the greatest year. However, the use of >>> massively exaggerates the differential between all these exceptional years (winning 3 of 4 GS, the year end masters and 4/5 master series in one year is phenomenal).

I have said elsewhere that Djokovic needs to win the year end masters title to be considered the best year of those years and stick to that point of view.

Of course players such as Sampras and Agassi both seemed to lack whatever is necessary to win 3 GS in a year and so did not do it unlike the mentioned players, Connors and Wilander who have all done it.

DrJules
11-19-2011, 08:34 PM
I recalculated Federer's 2006 and 2007 seasons using the point system of 2011.

Here are the results for best season by number of points:

Federer 2006 - 15,745 points
Federer 2007 - 14,080
Djokovic 2011 - 13,475 * (pending WTF)
Nadal 2010 - 12,450

I didn't calculate Fed 2004 but that season has a lot of holes with a R3 loss at FO and a few others.

Math below, if anybody cares to verify. Also I'm assuming all results count, and didn't take Davis Cup into account.

2006
250 Doha winner
2000 Australian winner
300 Dubai final
1000 IW winner
1000 Miami winner
600 Monaco final
600 Rome final
1200 French Open final
250 Halle winner
2000 Wimbly winner
1000 Canada winner
45 Cincy R32
2000 US Open winner
500 Tokyo winner
1000 Madrid winner
500 Basel winner
1500 WTF winner
------
15,745

2007
2000 Australia winner
500 Dubai winner
10 IW R64
90 Miami R16
600 Monaco final
90 Rome R16
2000 Hamburg winner
1200 FO final
2000 wimbly winner
600 canada final
1000 cincy winner
2000 uso winner
600 madrid final
90 paris R16
1300 WTF winner (one loss)
------
14,080

In many ways the points analysis as a means of comparing the various years is probably as accurate and objective as any of the other subjective and objective methods which have been used to compare the years.

Saberq
11-19-2011, 08:37 PM
2011 Djokovic gets nowhere near Wimbledon, and has his arse spanked by Fed in both hardcourt slams. Game over.

In this other world Fed does not exist

SetSampras
11-19-2011, 09:27 PM
I have no difficulties with anybody claiming either the Djokovic 2011, Federer 2006, Nadal 2010, Federer 2007 or Federer 2004 is the greatest year. However, the use of >>> massively exaggerates the differential between all these exceptional years (winning 3 of 4 GS, the year end masters and 4/5 master series in one year is phenomenal).

I have said elsewhere that Djokovic needs to win the year end masters title to be considered the best year of those years and stick to that point of view.

Of course players such as Sampras and Agassi both seemed to lack whatever is necessary to win 3 GS in a year and so did not do it unlike the mentioned players, Connors and Wilander who have all done it.

Hard to compare eras.. Different times. One can argue ( and justifably its much EASIER to dominate today then before in the 80s or 90s) to win 3 slams and dominate the season today then it was back in the 80s and 90s. Homogenized conditions etc. Now you can win ANY slam from the baseline. In Laver's day it was 3 grass slams and one clay.. Imagine the domination someone like Sampras would have under those conditions.. Could someone like Nadal or Djokovic in come CLOSE to dominating in Pete and Andre's day like they do now? Djokovic would have to contend with Pete and Andre on hardcourts, he would have to compete with Sampras on grass under fast slick grass conditions, so would Nadal.. I already don't like their chances under the old conditions. Outside of clay, chances are Rafa would NEVER dominate much less get close to 3 slams a year back in the 80s or 90s

But we can reasonably compare 2006-2011. Not much has changed since then really.

In terms of the modern era and the conditions, I don't see anyone trummping Nole this year however again factoring in the Fedal h2h, masters, and 3 slams. In terms of threats at the top, Djokovic had to go through Roger who is older but still better then any player in 2006 and Nadal etc. who is also better then any player in 2006 (aside from Fed)

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-19-2011, 09:32 PM
just because nole owns current nadal

no way does nole beat 2006 nadal who was a one surface player

they would only meet on clay surfaces

2006 nadal was FASTER
more defensive
never missed
and had more stamina than anyone (bar mighty borg)

2011 nole would NOT outlast 2006 nadal- thats the only reason federer lost- you simply couldnt outlast nadal in 2006 over 5 sets (yeah, remember- 5 set masters finals)

people act like nadal has just improved everywhere- thats BULLSHIT- his clay game has been going down the toilet for 4 years- just like muster when you adjust for hardcourts the other aspects suffer

2006 nadal was probably the best version for clay- dont give me the 2008 RG final beatdown- federer was shit that day- 2006 nadal would have bagled him aswell

DrJules
11-19-2011, 09:32 PM
Hard to compare eras.. Different times. One can argue ( and justifably its much EASIER to dominate today then before in the 80s or 90s) to win 3 slams and dominate the season today then it was back in the 80s and 90s. Homogenized conditions etc. Now you can win ANY slam from the baseline. In Laver's day it was 3 grass slams and one clay.. Imagine the domination someone like Sampras would have under those conditions.. Could someone like Nadal or Djokovic in come CLOSE to dominating in Pete and Andre's day like they do now? Djokovic would have to contend with Pete and Andre on hardcourts, he would have to compete with Sampras on grass under fast slick grass conditions, so would Nadal.. I already don't like their chances under the old conditions. Outside of clay, chances are Rafa would NEVER dominate much less get close to 3 slams a year back in the 80s or 90s

But we can reasonably compare 2006-2011. Not much has changed since then really.

In terms of the modern era and the conditions, I don't see anyone trummping Nole this year however again factoring in the Fedal h2h, masters, and 3 slams.

I suppose that makes the Wilander achievement of winning 3 GS in 1988 exceptional. Especially as Lendl, Edberg and Becker were still near their peak periods in 1988.

SetSampras
11-19-2011, 09:35 PM
I suppose that makes the Wilander achievement of winning 3 GS in 1988 exceptional. Especially as Lendl, Edberg and Becker were still near their peak periods in 1988.

We can certainly argue it is. We can argue Agassi's career slam is more superior and impressive then say Nadal's etc. too or Laver who won on 2 surfaces.

SetSampras
11-19-2011, 09:37 PM
just because nole owns current nadal

no way does nole beat 2006 nadal who was a one surface player

they would only meet on clay surfaces

2006 nadal was FASTER
more defensive
never missed
and had more stamina than anyone (bar mighty borg)

2011 nole would NOT outlast 2006 nadal- thats the only reason federer lost- you simply couldnt outlast nadal in 2006 over 5 sets (yeah, remember- 5 set masters finals)

people act like nadal has just improved everywhere- thats BULLSHIT- his clay game has been going down the toilet for 4 years- just like muster when you adjust for hardcourts the other aspects suffer

2006 nadal was probably the best version for clay- dont give me the 2008 RG final beatdown- federer was shit that day- 2006 nadal would have bagled him aswell



Outside of clay you can argue 11'Djokovic over 06 Nadal at the French.. Maybe.. Outside of clay.. Nadal in his 4th or 5th grass court tournament ever at wimbledon in 2006 is way INFERIOR then Nadal of today on grass. He was much worse on hardcourts back then then he is now. He couldnt even reach a hardcourt slam semis back then

DrJules
11-19-2011, 10:12 PM
Nadal lost 10 times in his best year :o

But remains the only player to win a clay court, grass court and hard court GS in the same calender year.

Chase Visa
11-19-2011, 10:13 PM
2006 Fed
2011 Faker
2004 Fed
2010 Rafa
2007 Fed
2005 Fed
2008 Rafa

legolandbridge
11-19-2011, 10:44 PM
I dont think Fed 04 is really in the mix here. He lost R3 at the FO (to Kuerten past his prime, who went on to lose in the 1/4 to Nalbandian). Fed also lost to Hrbaty and Henman during the season and skipped Monaco, Madrid and Paris (for reasons I can't remember now).

Federer '06 is the best season as is shown by his total tally of points. He made all 4 GS finals, won 3 of them, + WTF and 4 Masters. 92-5 record. Only losses came to Nadal and Murray. He almost had Nadal's number too: epic five-setter in Rome and 4th set tie-break at RG.

Then it's a toss up between Djoko 11 and Fed 07, depending on the upcoming WTF. Slight edge to Djokovic because of the streak and being undefeated thru RG and taking Rafa down on clay. But his shoulder in the second half of the season might be his demise.

In any case, who's winning 3 slams next year?

cocrcici
11-19-2011, 10:48 PM
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rocketassist
11-19-2011, 10:53 PM
I dont think Fed 04 is really in the mix here. He lost R3 at the FO (to Kuerten past his prime, who went on to lose in the 1/4 to Nalbandian). Fed also lost to Hrbaty and Henman during the season and skipped Monaco, Madrid and Paris (for reasons I can't remember now).

Federer '06 is the best season as is shown by his total tally of points. He made all 4 GS finals, won 3 of them, + WTF and 4 Masters. 92-5 record.

Then its' a toss up between Djoko 11 and Fed 07, depending on the upcoming WTF. Slight edge to Djokovic because of the streak and being undefeated thru RG and taking Rafa down on clay. But his shoulder in the second half of the season might be his demise.

In any case, who's winning 3 slams next year?

Henman wasn't a bad loss.

rocketassist
11-19-2011, 10:54 PM
But remains the only player to win a homogenized clay court, grass court and hard court GS in the same calender year.

Key word there missed.

mark73
11-19-2011, 11:09 PM
Novak 2011>>> all. 10-1 over Fedal. The most masters, 3 slams etc. Fed's 2006 is close but Nole's is more impressive when you factor in the Fedal h2h (Nadal in his prime, he was a few years prior to his prime in 2006), masters, and equal slam count. The only thing that could stop Nole was injuries.. Because no other player could.

2006 was a very dominant year for Fed but was a SHIT year in terms of competition. Roddick going downhill from a few years prior, Hewitt going downhill, Nadal still just a greenhorn and pretty crappy outside of clay etc. Crap like Davydenko, Ljubicic, Baghaditis, and the rest of the clowns hanging around. Safin and Nalbandian MIA

translation: fed was not that good, so pete is the goat.

Saberq
11-19-2011, 11:10 PM
you Fedtards make me sick ......like grass,clay and hard play exactly the same now.....

SetSampras
11-19-2011, 11:11 PM
translation: fed was not that good, so pete is the goat.

Fed was good in 2006.. The field however at the top? CLEARLY inferior to the 2011 top field. Beating the field in 2006 doesn't come close to having a 10-1 h2h over Fedal for slams and masters wins in 2011

Topspindoctor
11-19-2011, 11:20 PM
I might be biased, but Nadal's 2010 winning consecutive slams on 3 different surfaces is the best for me. First time it happened in the open era.

mark73
11-19-2011, 11:26 PM
Fed was good in 2006.. The field however at the top? CLEARLY inferior to the 2011 top field. Beating the field in 2006 doesn't come close to having a 10-1 h2h over Fedal for slams and masters wins in 2011

I agree the field has gotten stronger in the last 5 years..and it generally gets stronger every 5 to 10 years. I think 2006 was much stronger than 1996 for instance. Players are becoming more athletic all the time.

I get the feeling that every time you downgrade Fed's achievements by saying his competition was crap you are doing it to serve your agenda that Sampras is the GOAT.

Seriously on a slow court prime fed would own prime Sampras and on a fast court it would be roughly even.

As a side note Fed is way past his prime.

SetSampras
11-19-2011, 11:26 PM
I might be biased, but Nadal's 2010 winning consecutive slams on 3 different surfaces is the best for me. First time it happened in the open era.

Slam wise, I do agree it was the most impressive considering 3 different surfaces.. I guess outside of slams is where Nadal's 2010 season slips compared to Nole and Rogers?

mark73
11-19-2011, 11:27 PM
I might be biased, but Nadal's 2010 winning consecutive slams on 3 different surfaces is the best for me. First time it happened in the open era.

If you don't win the AO its a bad year no matter what else happened. :p

SetSampras
11-19-2011, 11:28 PM
I agree the field has gotten stronger in the last 5 years..and it generally gets stronger every 5 to 10 years. I think 2006 was much stronger than 1996 for instance. Players are becoming more athletic all the time.

I get the feeling that every time you downgrade Fed's achievements by saying his competition was crap you are doing it to serve your agenda that Sampras is the GOAT.

Seriously on a slow court prime fed would own prime Sampras and on a fast court it would be roughly even.

As a side note Fed is way past his prime.


I don't agree with that persay in that .. If it keeps getting stronger then I guess the 2002 or early 00's field is >>>>> 93 field or early 90s field for instance? Or the 80s field? But still the 2011 in terms of top 2-4>>>>>>>>>>>> the top 2-4 in 2006.. Any level headed tennis fan should agree with that.

Who in 2006 outside of Fed measure up to '11 Nadal or '11 Djokovic?

barbadosan
11-19-2011, 11:37 PM
Hey SetSampras, all your convoluted arguments and changing, contrived criteria depending on whether Fed's winning or losing, still end up back at one irrefutable figure: 16 >> 14 :D

Oh and PS: it's "per se", not "persay"

SetSampras
11-20-2011, 12:10 AM
Hey SetSampras, all your convoluted arguments and changing, contrived criteria depending on whether Fed's winning or losing, still end up back at one irrefutable figure: 16 >> 14 :D

Oh and PS: it's "per se", not "persay"

ROFL convoluted? If you can't see the field in 2011 was superior then the 2006 field you have blinders on or you are just a flat out Rosey tinted Fed tard.. Thus it makes Djokovic 2011 season>>>>>>>>>>>>Fed's 2006 season because of how much better the competition at the top was and who Djokovic had to beat to get the achievements.

Going 10-1 over the Fedal trio and beating Murray to get your masters and slams is much better then going 200-1 over goofs like Broken down Hewitt, Roddick, Baghaditis or Davydenko or Ljubicic or a baby Nadal who pretty much sucked outside of clay. It makes the Nole's 2011 season the best of the modern era for sure considering the results and who he had to beat to get the results

zlaja777
11-20-2011, 12:14 AM
Djokovic 2011 for me and no one will convince me in anything different. Same as I'll never try the similar thing with Federer fan. You have your arguments, I have mine. Simple as that.

Fedex
11-20-2011, 01:25 AM
ROFL.. Lets put 2011 Djokovic into Fed's place 2006 and see what results he has. He EASILY gets the calendar slam that year. If all he has to worry about is clay king Rafa who sucks everywhere else. Or declined Hewitt or Roddick or Davydenko or Ljubcic etc.

2011 Djokovic couldn't even beat 2011 Fed at RG, now he's going to beat 2006 Nadal there? Roddick made a USO Final in 2006, and should have beaten Federer in 06 TMC, so he clearly wasn't in decline.

Fedex
11-20-2011, 01:34 AM
Hard to compare eras.. Different times. One can argue ( and justifably its much EASIER to dominate today then before in the 80s or 90s) to win 3 slams and dominate the season today then it was back in the 80s and 90s. Homogenized conditions etc. Now you can win ANY slam from the baseline. In Laver's day it was 3 grass slams and one clay.. Imagine the domination someone like Sampras would have under those conditions.. Could someone like Nadal or Djokovic in come CLOSE to dominating in Pete and Andre's day like they do now? Djokovic would have to contend with Pete and Andre on hardcourts, he would have to compete with Sampras on grass under fast slick grass conditions, so would Nadal.. I already don't like their chances under the old conditions. Outside of clay, chances are Rafa would NEVER dominate much less get close to 3 slams a year back in the 80s or 90s

But we can reasonably compare 2006-2011. Not much has changed since then really.

In terms of the modern era and the conditions, I don't see anyone trummping Nole this year however again factoring in the Fedal h2h, masters, and 3 slams. In terms of threats at the top, Djokovic had to go through Roger who is older but still better then any player in 2006 and Nadal etc. who is also better then any player in 2006 (aside from Fed)

The 90's saw plenty of ordinary players winning grand slams (Krajicek, Korda, Moya, Kafelnikov) or making slam finals (Pioline, Goran, Rusedski, MaliVai Washington :lol: ). It wasn't appreciably harder to win a major in the 90's than in the 2000's, if at all.

The fact is, you're bitter because Sampras never even had a season that is even in the conversation for being the best of the Open Era. His best season is probably not even in the top 10.

Saberq
11-20-2011, 01:36 AM
If you take top 5 seasons you get.......

Fed 2006
Novak 2011
Fed 2004
Fed 2007
Nadal 2010

Johhny Mac is here somewhere but he only won 2 Slams

Fedex
11-20-2011, 01:38 AM
I might be biased, but Nadal's 2010 winning consecutive slams on 3 different surfaces is the best for me. First time it happened in the open era.

A declining Federer almost accomplished that in 2009. Nadal 2010 is not even in the conversation. He lost, what 10 matches, and was a non factor after the US Open and didn't really dominate like the other guys did.

Fedex
11-20-2011, 01:41 AM
If you take top 5 seasons you get.......

Fed 2006
Novak 2011
Fed 2004
Fed 2007
Nadal 2010

Johhny Mac is here somewhere but he only won 2 Slams

Johnny Mac 84 is right with 2005 Fed. A tremendous season, that could have been GOAT, if it weren't for a couple disappointments in the majors. Connors 74 gets overlooked a lot too; I believe he went about 100-5 that year, won all 3 majors he played (he wouldn't have won RG regardless if he played or not, but it's worth noting that he was undefeated in majors that year).

Naudio Spanlatine
11-20-2011, 01:43 AM
1st place goes to The Djoker

2nd place goes to The Bull

3rd place goes to JesusFederina


any questions?:shrug:

Fedex
11-20-2011, 02:01 AM
1st place goes to The Djoker

2nd place goes to The Bull

3rd place goes to JesusFederina


any questions?:shrug:

Sorry, but Federer has at least two seasons better than Nadal's 2010 (06-07) if not three.

barbadosan
11-20-2011, 02:56 AM
ROFL convoluted? If you can't see the field in 2011 was superior then the 2006 field you have blinders on or you are just a flat out Rosey tinted Fed tard.. Thus it makes Djokovic 2011 season>>>>>>>>>>>>Fed's 2006 season because of how much better the competition at the top was and who Djokovic had to beat to get the achievements.

Going 10-1 over the Fedal trio and beating Murray to get your masters and slams is much better then going 200-1 over goofs like Broken down Hewitt, Roddick, Baghaditis or Davydenko or Ljubicic or a baby Nadal who pretty much sucked outside of clay. It makes the Nole's 2011 season the best of the modern era for sure considering the results and who he had to beat to get the results

:worship: You have to be the finest exponent of sophistry I've ever come across :lol:

Naudio Spanlatine
11-20-2011, 03:06 AM
just because nole owns current nadal

no way does nole beat 2006 nadal who was a one surface player

they would only meet on clay surfaces

2006 nadal was FASTER
more defensive
never missed
and had more stamina than anyone (bar mighty borg)

2011 nole would NOT outlast 2006 nadal- thats the only reason federer lost- you simply couldnt outlast nadal in 2006 over 5 sets (yeah, remember- 5 set masters finals)

people act like nadal has just improved everywhere- thats BULLSHIT- his clay game has been going down the toilet for 4 years- just like muster when you adjust for hardcourts the other aspects suffer

2006 nadal was probably the best version for clay- dont give me the 2008 RG final beatdown- federer was shit that day- 2006 nadal would have bagled him aswell

I might be biased, but Nadal's 2010 winning consecutive slams on 3 different surfaces is the best for me. First time it happened in the open era.

thank you i totally agree:worship:

do you know how hard it is to win three titles consectively in one year in DIFFERENT surfaces yet alone keep up the momentum, the last person to do that in 3 different surfaces in one year was rod laver, not only did he do that in one year, but he made it to the finals of WTF and it took three sets for fed to beat rafa, this guy was still being the best player that year, nole on the other hand retired in some of the tournaments, thats why he has that 65-4 record, rafa retired only once or twice in 2010 while nole retired about 6 or i think seven times, that for that tells your that rafas year was better than nole, plus the court were a lil faster than this year

Topspindoctor
11-20-2011, 03:06 AM
A declining Federer almost accomplished that in 2009. Nadal 2010 is not even in the conversation. He lost, what 10 matches, and was a non factor after the US Open and didn't really dominate like the other guys did.

"Almost" doesn't count. Nadal's 2010 achievement was historic, will always be remembered as one of a kind. Olderer's 2009 will be remembered by his tards for "almost" winning against a ballbashing mug Del Potro.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-20-2011, 03:11 AM
plus delpo was playing at his best, fed was too, but delpo surprised me when he i think saved matchpoints against fed, delpo not only beat rafa but he also beat fed, its sad that a guy his caliber then ends up with one of the worst injuries possible on his right wrist, and it effected him mentally ever since :sad: :tears:

Topspindoctor
11-20-2011, 03:16 AM
plus delpo was playing at his best, fed was too, but delpo surprised me when he i think saved matchpoints against fed, delpo not only beat rafa but he also beat fed, its sad that a guy his caliber then ends up with one of the worst injuries possible on his right wrist, and it effected him mentally ever since :sad: :tears:

:superlol:

Olderer was serving at 50% and made DFs in double digits. He basically let the Argentine win the match because of overconfidence and arrogance. Had he showed more respect to his opponent, he would have won 4 slams in a row...

Fedex
11-20-2011, 04:08 AM
"Almost" doesn't count. Nadal's 2010 achievement was historic, will always be remembered as one of a kind. Olderer's 2009 will be remembered by his tards for "almost" winning against a ballbashing mug Del Potro.

LOL

Not really. Nadal's 2010 season will be remembered as the 4th best season of the last 10 years. Behind Federer 06, Federer 07, Djokovic 11.

Shinoj
11-20-2011, 04:21 AM
I might be biased, but Nadal's 2010 winning consecutive slams on 3 different surfaces is the best for me. First time it happened in the open era.


And in 2010 who was there to challenge Nadal? Djokovic,Murray all had issues and Federer was deciding which color of Pigeon Suit he should wear.

Shinoj
11-20-2011, 04:24 AM
just because nole owns current nadal

no way does nole beat 2006 nadal who was a one surface player

they would only meet on clay surfaces

2006 nadal was FASTER
more defensive
never missed
and had more stamina than anyone (bar mighty borg)

2011 nole would NOT outlast 2006 nadal- thats the only reason federer lost- you simply couldnt outlast nadal in 2006 over 5 sets (yeah, remember- 5 set masters finals)

people act like nadal has just improved everywhere- thats BULLSHIT- his clay game has been going down the toilet for 4 years- just like muster when you adjust for hardcourts the other aspects suffer

2006 nadal was probably the best version for clay- dont give me the 2008 RG final beatdown- federer was shit that day- 2006 nadal would have bagled him aswell

Djokovic has Nadals game in a stranglehold and no matter how much stamina Nadal has, DJokovic will always hit the last winner.

2011 Djokovic > 2006 Nadal on Clay.

Topspindoctor
11-20-2011, 05:03 AM
lol @ tards who started watching tennis in 2011. Nadal's clay level 2006-2008 was SICK. He wouldn't lose to anyone, even God himself. He never tired. His BH was actually reliable. He had more weight on his shots. He never choked. He was faster. Nadal is the greatest clay courter of all time. Deal.

juan27
11-20-2011, 05:07 AM
"Almost" doesn't count. Nadal's 2010 achievement was historic, will always be remembered as one of a kind. Olderer's 2009 will be remembered by his tards for "almost" winning against a ballbashing mug Del Potro.

the history of tennis remembered much more federer and his records than nadal, it`s sure friend.

federer is in another dimension in records than nadal.

juan27
11-20-2011, 05:16 AM
:o

Hewitt won 2 GS, 2 TMC and finished 2 years at No. 1. Roddick would be a multiple slam winner if he had not to play against peak Federer. And Ljubicic won his first Masters in 2010, in 2006 the competition was too hard to win a masters ;)And at 32 1/2 years old he´s still able to finish at No.30

And you forget how strong Fed was in 2006. 18-0 against all Top 10 players but Nadal (2-4), 6 bagels in finals (2 slam finals, 2 masters finals, 1 TMC final and against Berdych on Grass), and two bagels in Slam semis, too :cool:

No way, Djokovic´s 2011 is as good as Federer´s 2006.

it`s true.

by setsampras is desesperate to says things against roger for try to put sampras above roger and like the goat.....it`s funny.

players like fish,ljubicic or melzer won his first titles or had the best season of his life in 2010 and 2011,,, thats says all.

Kat_YYZ
11-20-2011, 05:38 AM
The retirements, withdrawals from tournaments and walkover make it impossible for Novak's 2011 to be the best year ever. Since Montreal, the only notable thing he did was win the US Open. Now that is a huge accomplishment; but if you say "only slams matter" then don't expect to be in the "best season ever" conversation, because there's more to the season than slams. Nadal skipped Bercy in 2010 and Roger skipped it in 2006, but Novak withdrew from 2 tournaments before Basel, retired in Cincy and DC and pulled out of Bercy. He started off great but couldn't maintain it and has been breaking down for months.

Fiberlight1
11-20-2011, 06:36 AM
OMG UNBELIEVABLE.. THIS TURNED INTO A FEDERER v. NADAL THREAD.

manadrainer
11-20-2011, 07:29 AM
I think it all goes down to the WTF. If Nole wins it, to me it's enough to consider 2011 the best season. If not, Fed 2006 wins.

3 Slams + 4 Master + WTF > 3 Slams + 5 Masters.

Also 92-5 would be better than 73? - 5.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-20-2011, 07:34 AM
The retirements, withdrawals from tournaments and walkover make it impossible for Novak's 2011 to be the best year ever. Since Montreal, the only notable thing he did was win the US Open. Now that is a huge accomplishment; but if you say "only slams matter" then don't expect to be in the "best season ever" conversation, because there's more to the season than slams. Nadal skipped Bercy in 2010 and Roger skipped it in 2006, but Novak withdrew from 2 tournaments before Basel, retired in Cincy and DC and pulled out of Bercy. He started off great but couldn't maintain it and has been breaking down for months.

This is exactly why I said that nole didnt have a better than fedal because he retired outta more matches in his dominating season than fedal ever did combine, its tells you that nole couldn't keep his stamina up like fedal can, yet he wins these titles

Naudio Spanlatine
11-20-2011, 07:37 AM
OMG UNBELIEVABLE.. THIS TURNED INTO A FEDERER v. NADAL THREAD.


Actually its more like fedal vs nole

Pirata.
11-20-2011, 07:44 AM
And in 2010 who was there to challenge Nadal? Djokovic,Murray all had issues and Federer was deciding which color of Pigeon Suit he should wear.

:haha:

Shinoj
11-20-2011, 07:58 AM
lol @ tards who started watching tennis in 2011. Nadal's clay level 2006-2008 was SICK. He wouldn't lose to anyone, even God himself. He never tired. His BH was actually reliable. He had more weight on his shots. He never choked. He was faster. Nadal is the greatest clay courter of all time. Deal.


In short his Moonballing had no answer. Now Djokovic has thrashed his moonballing style consistently. Now the game is over. MugSpin Doctor.

Chirag
11-20-2011, 08:11 AM
lol @ tards who started watching tennis in 2011. Nadal's clay level 2006-2008 was SICK. He wouldn't lose to anyone, even God himself. He never tired. His BH was actually reliable. He had more weight on his shots. He never choked. He was faster. Nadal is the greatest clay courter of all time. Deal.
I agree .Nadal in 06-08 was a perfect player on clay with immense stamina and lot of great ground strokes .This Nadal is better than 06-08 nadal on hards and grass but he will get his ass handed to him on clay .2008 was the best because it was a perfect combination of defense and offense

Corey Feldman
11-20-2011, 01:03 PM
lol NID topspinmug bigging up Nadull's 2010

oooh winning on 3 surfaces, how is it possible! :inlove::inlove::cheerleader:

i will say to you what i said to Djokovic fans.. come back and talk when either them have reached all 4 GS Finals and won Masters Cup in the same year - back to back years

Saberq
11-20-2011, 01:06 PM
lol NID topspinmug bigging up Nadull's 2010

oooh winning on 3 surfaces, how is it possible! :inlove::inlove::cheerleader:

i will say to you what i said to Djokovic fans.. come back and talk when either them have reached all 4 GS Finals and won Masters Cup in the same year - back to back years

impressive but irrelevant because Slams and WTF is not all that matters....if that was all Fed's 2006,2007 would be ranked the same and they're not ....there are other factors like Masters,top 10 wins,in Novak's case the streak ect

Corey Feldman
11-20-2011, 01:07 PM
yeah sure... and how many times you win Belgrade etc etc ;)

Fed at one stage had something like 23 wins in a row over top10 players... beat that!

rocketassist
11-20-2011, 01:09 PM
lol @ tards who started watching tennis in 2011. Nadal's clay level 2006-2008 was SICK. He wouldn't lose to anyone, even God himself. He never tired. His BH was actually reliable. He had more weight on his shots. He never choked. He was faster. Nadal is the greatest clay courter of all time. Deal.

Sensible post. Nadal's clay game in 06 and 07 was better than it was in 2010 and 2011. No one could hit through him. Davydenko played a sick match in Rome and still couldn't get it done.

Saberq
11-20-2011, 01:14 PM
yeah sure... and how many times you win Belgrade etc etc ;)

Fed at one stage had something like 23 wins in a row over top10 players... beat that!

did I mention Belgrade? :cool:

anyway I am not taking anything from Fed just saying Slams are not everything in 1 year.....if that was the case John Mcenroe's 84 is not in the same league as Fed's 2006 or Novaks 2011 or Rafa's 2010 and we all know that's not true :)

acionescu
11-20-2011, 01:26 PM
Fed 2006

Corey Feldman
11-20-2011, 01:37 PM
did I mention Belgrade? :cool:

anyway I am not taking anything from Fed just saying Slams are not everything in 1 year.....if that was the case John Mcenroe's 84 is not in the same league as Fed's 2006 or Novaks 2011 or Rafa's 2010 and we all know that's not true :)dont agree

they are everything

the holy grail of tennis is to win the calender year GS, its why Rod Laver is still talked as the GOAT

atennisfan
11-20-2011, 09:26 PM
Fed.

stewietennis
11-20-2011, 10:02 PM
the last person to do that in 3 different surfaces in one year was rod laver

I don't think Laver won slams on 3 different surfaces.

Super Djoker
11-20-2011, 10:39 PM
No need to recalculate, it's obviously Nadal's :p

Lol. WRONG! Nadal only won 7 titles that season , Djokovic has won 10 and got closer than nadal to winning all 4! Also 5 masters! A Record!

Corey Feldman
11-20-2011, 11:25 PM
Fed won 12

and what is better

5 TMS titles

or 4 TMS titles + the Masters Cup

Nole better wins this week if he wants to be in the discussion

Saberq
11-20-2011, 11:47 PM
Fed won 12

and what is better

5 TMS titles

or 4 TMS titles + the Masters Cup

Nole better wins this week if he wants to be in the discussion

even if he wins it doesnt matter....Fed's 2006 is better in my opinion and then Novak's 2011

Fedex
11-21-2011, 12:20 AM
even if he wins it doesnt matter....Fed's 2006 is better in my opinion and then Novak's 2011

Agreed. We can also agree that Novak's 2011 is definitively better than Nadal's 2010.

Saberq
11-21-2011, 12:28 AM
Agreed. We can also agree that Novak's 2011 is definitively better than Nadal's 2010.

Of course much better

Naudio Spanlatine
11-21-2011, 12:35 AM
for a guy who withdrawals/retires more than fedal's domniating years combine is pretty embarassing if you ask me, i dont think he will be capable to last longer than fedal because he still is weaker than fedal

Saberq
11-21-2011, 01:23 AM
for a guy who withdrawals/retires more than fedal's domniating years combine is pretty embarassing if you ask me, i dont think he will be capable to last longer than fedal because he still is weaker than fedal

No he is much stronger ergo 10-1 this year......you can be bitter all you want my friend but it is the truth....he didnt cheat he just retired when he was injured ...fact

legolandbridge
11-21-2011, 10:55 AM
There is a number of reasons why Federer 2006 is better than Djokovic 2011.

- 4 Grand Slams finals to 3
- 15,745 points to MAX 14,975 (if Djoko goes undefeated at the Masters)
- Fed won 92 matches to Djoker's 69 (with a max 74 after the Masters), that's a lot of matches, including some masters series final 5-setters (Rome)
- Fed didn't retire multiple times (in fact he never has) and didn't eat up a bagel dished out by Nishikori.
- Fed backed it up with another season in 2007 that might be just be as good as Djoker's 2011

Furthermore:
- Fed didn't stroll around with a pet named Pierre and whine he couldn't bring him to the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/8598686/Wimbledon-2011-Novak-Djokovic-pleads-for-pet-poodle-Pierre-to-be-allowed-into-tournament.html
- Fed didn't hit up the Cannes Film Festival for no good reason http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Media/Images/Photo-Galleries/2011/Djokovic-Cannes/Djokovic-Fashion-Show-2.aspx

What other proof do you need?

Saberq
11-21-2011, 10:59 AM
There is a number of reasons why Federer 2006 is better than Djokovic 2011.

- 4 Grand Slams finals to 3
- 15,745 points to MAX 14,975 (if Djoko goes undefeated at the Masters)
- Fed won 92 matches to Djoker's 69 (with a max 74 after the Masters), that's a lot of matches, including some masters series final 5-setters (Rome)
- Fed didn't retire multiple times (in fact he never has) and didn't eat up a bagel dished out by Nishikori.
- Fed backed it up with another season in 2007 that might be just be as good as Djoker's 2011

Furthermore:
- Fed didn't stroll around with a pet named Pierre and whine he couldn't bring him to the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/8598686/Wimbledon-2011-Novak-Djokovic-pleads-for-pet-poodle-Pierre-to-be-allowed-into-tournament.html
- Fed didn't hit up the Cannes Film Festival for no good reason http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Media/Images/Photo-Galleries/2011/Djokovic-Cannes/Djokovic-Fashion-Show-2.aspx

What other proof do you need?

he have all the proof we need that you are a loser tard

legolandbridge
11-21-2011, 11:11 AM
he have all the proof we need that you are a loser tard

At least I have some arguments, you have only insults.

Saberq
11-21-2011, 01:03 PM
At least I have some arguments, you have only insults.

your arguments sucks given that last 3 are stupid

ciprianned
11-21-2011, 01:04 PM
Golubev 2011
+ Zverev 2011 :worship:

EliSter
11-21-2011, 01:05 PM
for a guy who withdrawals/retires more than fedal's domniating years combine is pretty embarassing if you ask me, i dont think he will be capable to last longer than fedal because he still is weaker than fedal

Please this all coming from Nadul fan? Think before u blame some1 for retiring and faking :o

EliSter
11-21-2011, 01:10 PM
There is a number of reasons why Federer 2006 is better than Djokovic 2011.

- 4 Grand Slams finals to 3
- 15,745 points to MAX 14,975 (if Djoko goes undefeated at the Masters)
- Fed won 92 matches to Djoker's 69 (with a max 74 after the Masters), that's a lot of matches, including some masters series final 5-setters (Rome)
- Fed didn't retire multiple times (in fact he never has) and didn't eat up a bagel dished out by Nishikori.
- Fed backed it up with another season in 2007 that might be just be as good as Djoker's 2011

Furthermore:
- Fed didn't stroll around with a pet named Pierre and whine he couldn't bring him to the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/8598686/Wimbledon-2011-Novak-Djokovic-pleads-for-pet-poodle-Pierre-to-be-allowed-into-tournament.html
- Fed didn't hit up the Cannes Film Festival for no good reason http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Media/Images/Photo-Galleries/2011/Djokovic-Cannes/Djokovic-Fashion-Show-2.aspx

What other proof do you need?
http://diylol.com/meme-generator/trumped/memes/not-sure-if-trolling-or-just-stupid

Naudio Spanlatine
11-21-2011, 02:06 PM
No he is much stronger ergo 10-1 this year......you can be bitter all you want my friend but it is the truth....he didnt cheat he just retired when he was injured ...fact

Please this all coming from Nadul fan? Think before u blame some1 for retiring and faking :o

Wow cause I'm a "rafa" fan im suppose to be bitter? Excuse me for ruinning you guys day and making your hairs stand up!:rolleyes: I didnt say anything about nole faking ever at all so if you wanna put words in my mouth at least you could be smarter by not using such dumb words:o To me its embarassing to retire from alot of tournaments regardless of how good he started, but I didnt say he didnt have a good year, its embarassing for any player to retire during a match! But whatevers, im happy he had a good year FINALLY!

BIGMARAT
11-21-2011, 04:12 PM
getting 3 slams, 5 masters and beating the two best players of this era is the best for me!!!
Imagine a season being number 3, then trashing world number 1 and 2, back to back, slams after slams!!!

Solista
11-21-2011, 05:11 PM
Is this MTF or Federer forum ? This is ridiculous ! Can I hear one objective opinion of a real tennis fan ?
Yeah , Federer is all-time best player , but let"s be honest here , this season ( Djokovic 2011) is the best ever ! I am Croat and i dont like Djokovic very much , his behaviour is disgusting ( trying so hard to be liked ) , and that is why i like Andy Murray , HE DONT GIVE A SHIT about crowd ! Fed 06 was a best player ever , but Djokovic 2011 is more successfull 3 GS but 5 M 1000 tittles , i dont give a shit about GS finals , no one will remember a GS finalist , Andy is best example for that , really hope he will win one becouse he need that to start believe in himself ! Someone mentioned that Nadal 2006 was better than Nadal 2011 , you really need to find mental institution , becouse this is crazy thing to say ! Nadal 2006 was just a kid , yes he was maybe little faster but he was just a clay specialist , today Nadal is all-court specialist , and yes Fed 2011 is better player than all Fed"S 06 competition ! So , please , this is tennis forum , not a ( Djoko , Fed , Nad , Murr) fansite ! Many former and active players confirmed that Djoko 2011 is probably best season ever , and it"s imposible that they are all just "FED HATERS" , sooo just a little objectivity please ! thank you @

DrJules
11-21-2011, 05:55 PM
There is a number of reasons why Federer 2006 is better than Djokovic 2011.

- 4 Grand Slams finals to 3
- 15,745 points to MAX 14,975 (if Djoko goes undefeated at the Masters)
- Fed won 92 matches to Djoker's 69 (with a max 74 after the Masters), that's a lot of matches, including some masters series final 5-setters (Rome)
- Fed didn't retire multiple times (in fact he never has) and didn't eat up a bagel dished out by Nishikori.
- Fed backed it up with another season in 2007 that might be just be as good as Djoker's 2011

Furthermore:
- Fed didn't stroll around with a pet named Pierre and whine he couldn't bring him to the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/8598686/Wimbledon-2011-Novak-Djokovic-pleads-for-pet-poodle-Pierre-to-be-allowed-into-tournament.html
- Fed didn't hit up the Cannes Film Festival for no good reason http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Media/Images/Photo-Galleries/2011/Djokovic-Cannes/Djokovic-Fashion-Show-2.aspx

What other proof do you need?

The headline figures are important, but do need to consider year end final result, master series performances, total titles, number of top 10 beaten and winning % is probably more important than total matches win.

Retirements and next year performance should be irrelevant to this assessment of best season.

The only certainty is that it is very close between the Djokovic 2011 and Federer 2006 years. Anybody who denies that fact is biased.

Silvester
11-21-2011, 06:33 PM
The headline figures are important, but do need to consider year end final result, master series performances, total titles, number of top 10 beaten and winning % is probably more important than total matches win.

Retirements and next year performance should be irrelevant to this assessment of best season.

The only certainty is that it is very close between the Djokovic 2011 and Federer 2006 years. Anybody who denies that fact is biased.

Winning % can only be important I think if similar amount of matches are played..Fed has almost 20 more matches in his best season so the potential for more losses is obviously greater.

EliSter
11-21-2011, 06:33 PM
Is this MTF or Federer forum ? This is ridiculous ! Can I hear one objective opinion of a real tennis fan ?
Yeah , Federer is all-time best player , but let"s be honest here , this season ( Djokovic 2011) is the best ever ! I am Croat and i dont like Djokovic very much , his behaviour is disgusting ( trying so hard to be liked ) , and that is why i like Andy Murray , HE DONT GIVE A SHIT about crowd ! Fed 06 was a best player ever , but Djokovic 2011 is more successfull 3 GS but 5 M 1000 tittles , i dont give a shit about GS finals , no one will remember a GS finalist , Andy is best example for that , really hope he will win one becouse he need that to start believe in himself ! Someone mentioned that Nadal 2006 was better than Nadal 2011 , you really need to find mental institution , becouse this is crazy thing to say ! Nadal 2006 was just a kid , yes he was maybe little faster but he was just a clay specialist , today Nadal is all-court specialist , and yes Fed 2011 is better player than all Fed"S 06 competition ! So , please , this is tennis forum , not a ( Djoko , Fed , Nad , Murr) fansite ! Many former and active players confirmed that Djoko 2011 is probably best season ever , and it"s imposible that they are all just "FED HATERS" , sooo just a little objectivity please ! thank you @

QFT.

Start da Game
11-21-2011, 07:07 PM
nadal's 2010 can be strongly argued as the best ever for the simple reason that nobody apart from him in the history of men's tennis has ever won 3 slams on all 3 major surfaces in a single year and slam achievements are the widely accepted basis for ultimate judgment......in my book that's the greatest single season ever by a tennis player......the level of tennis exhibited by him particularly at the french open and us open was breathtaking......wimbledon was great too considering the injury he had during that tournament......

still, i am happy to give it to djokovic for the level of domination he exhibited over such a massively historic top 3 and the rest of the field......downing nadal in two best of 5 sets matches back to back is some achievement......

stewietennis
11-21-2011, 08:48 PM
yes he was maybe little faster but he was just a clay specialist , today Nadal is all-court specialist

Would one be a specialist if they were good on all courts?

rocketassist
11-21-2011, 09:06 PM
nadal's 2010 can be strongly argued as the best ever for the simple reason that nobody apart from him in the history of men's tennis has ever won 3 slams on all 3 major surfaces in a single year and slam achievements are the widely accepted basis for ultimate judgment......in my book that's the greatest single season ever by a tennis player......the level of tennis exhibited by him particularly at the french open and us open was breathtaking......wimbledon was great too considering the injury he had during that tournament......
still, i am happy to give it to djokovic for the level of domination he exhibited over such a massively historic top 3 and the rest of the field......downing nadal in two best of 5 sets matches back to back is some achievement......

:haha:

atennisfan
11-21-2011, 09:49 PM
Had Djokovic played as many matches this year as Federer in 2006, Djoker would have 10 "retirements from injuries"

Sparta?
I think Not.
Spartans do not retire from injuries.
:rolls:

Saberq
11-21-2011, 10:21 PM
Had Djokovic played as many matches this year as Federer in 2006, Djoker would have 10 "retirements from injuries"

Sparta?
I think Not.
Spartans do not retire from injuries.
:rolls:

So what you play through it???and make it worse?

rickcastle
11-22-2011, 12:14 AM
Is this MTF or Federer forum ? This is ridiculous ! Can I hear one objective opinion of a real tennis fan ?
Yeah , Federer is all-time best player , but let"s be honest here , this season ( Djokovic 2011) is the best ever ! I am Croat and i dont like Djokovic very much , his behaviour is disgusting ( trying so hard to be liked ) , and that is why i like Andy Murray , HE DONT GIVE A SHIT about crowd ! Fed 06 was a best player ever , but Djokovic 2011 is more successfull 3 GS but 5 M 1000 tittles , i dont give a shit about GS finals , no one will remember a GS finalist , Andy is best example for that , really hope he will win one becouse he need that to start believe in himself ! Someone mentioned that Nadal 2006 was better than Nadal 2011 , you really need to find mental institution , becouse this is crazy thing to say ! Nadal 2006 was just a kid , yes he was maybe little faster but he was just a clay specialist , today Nadal is all-court specialist , and yes Fed 2011 is better player than all Fed"S 06 competition ! So , please , this is tennis forum , not a ( Djoko , Fed , Nad , Murr) fansite ! Many former and active players confirmed that Djoko 2011 is probably best season ever , and it"s imposible that they are all just "FED HATERS" , sooo just a little objectivity please ! thank you @

It is not as done deal as you make it seem to be. Yeah, if Djokovic wins the WTF he may have a case for greatest season but as it is, he may have 5 Masters to Federer's 4 but if Djokovic does not win WTF, Federer will have his WTF title to up Djokovic once more because a WTF title is worth more than a Masters title. All in all, for me, it really hinges in the WTF title if Djokovic manages to win it or not. Winning the WTF will also mean they will be equal at 11 titles, if I'm correct.

Even then, Federer will still have a case because he has a lot more match wins than Djokovic and Djokovic's latter part of the season has been kind of horrendous, getting bageled and retiring and withdrawing and whatnot. But for me, I'm willing to acquiesce the title of best season for Djokovic if he manages to win the WTF.

Nadal is a non-factor when it comes to best season ever.

rubbERR
11-22-2011, 12:32 AM
Spartans? There has never been spartans, only fools, ages ago.

atennisfan
11-22-2011, 01:49 AM
So what you play through it???and make it worse?

Noletards claim that Djoker is sparta warrior.
And since 2006 Fed played almost 30 more matches (with best of 5 masters finals) and NEVER retired, using noletards standard, he must be Spartan God.

stewietennis
11-22-2011, 03:23 AM
Noletards claim that Djoker is sparta warrior.
And since 2006 Fed played almost 30 more matches (with best of 5 masters finals) and NEVER retired, using noletards standard, he must be Spartan God.

I don't really want to get in between the argument of who the "spartan warrior" is but some are using it in the context of fighting spirit (winning) and some are using it in terms of stamina (total matches played)

hosay
11-22-2011, 03:50 AM
Djoko retire way too much to avoid the extra loss. I am sure he didn't expect to lose to nishikori. If he won the match i think he'll retire the final against Federer. Federer 2006 is much better, not afraid about losing and playing on. Whats more Djokovic and Nadal did exist in 2006.

legolandbridge
11-22-2011, 06:58 AM
It is not as done deal as you make it seem to be. Yeah, if Djokovic wins the WTF he may have a case for greatest season but as it is, he may have 5 Masters to Federer's 4 but if Djokovic does not win WTF, Federer will have his WTF title to up Djokovic once more because a WTF title is worth more than a Masters title. All in all, for me, it really hinges in the WTF title if Djokovic manages to win it or not. Winning the WTF will also mean they will be equal at 11 titles, if I'm correct.

Even then, Federer will still have a case because he has a lot more match wins than Djokovic and Djokovic's latter part of the season has been kind of horrendous, getting bageled and retiring and withdrawing and whatnot. But for me, I'm willing to acquiesce the title of best season for Djokovic if he manages to win the WTF.

Nadal is a non-factor when it comes to best season ever.

I agree with this assessment of the matter. The fact that Fed played 20 more matches with similar or better results means he had a better season. It will be definite if Djoker loses at the Masters since they will both equal 5 losses then.

Also Federer didn't eat grass at Wimbledon or look like a wide-eyed demon in victory, which counts for something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnZzlJ2DAgY

Saberq
11-22-2011, 10:42 AM
Djoko retire way too much to avoid the extra loss. I am sure he didn't expect to lose to nishikori. If he won the match i think he'll retire the final against Federer. Federer 2006 is much better, not afraid about losing and playing on. Whats more Djokovic and Nadal did exist in 2006.

I am glad that you are telling us right from the start that you know shit about tennis

atennisfan
11-22-2011, 11:21 AM
I don't really want to get in between the argument of who the "spartan warrior" is but some are using it in the context of fighting spirit (winning) and some are using it in terms of stamina (total matches played)

It still doesn't negate my point.
2006 Fed played many more matches than 2011 Nole, and 2006 Fed never retired.

If 2011 Nole=Spartan warrior, then 2006 Fed=Spartan god

Saberq
11-22-2011, 11:51 AM
It still doesn't negate my point.
2006 Fed played many more matches than 2011 Nole, and 2006 Fed never retired.

If 2011 Nole=Spartan warrior, then 2006 Fed=Spartan god

you have no idea what Spartan even means you fool

atennisfan
11-22-2011, 09:29 PM
you have no idea what Spartan even means you fool

so noletards now have changed the definition of spartan from "fighting through death" to "retire from possible slight injuries"?

:rolls:
:wavey:

Silvester
11-23-2011, 08:37 PM
Very good chance that Nole now finishes the year with 6 losses after today. Fed and Nadal only have a few less Wins than him this season.

Corey Feldman
11-23-2011, 08:38 PM
5 loses now

Saberq
11-23-2011, 08:44 PM
5 loses now

Mickey you know that the only person that cares about this season are Fedtards right? dont be like that

MIMIC
11-23-2011, 08:48 PM
:haha: @ all this emphasis on win-loss. So, so pathetic. No wonder that Nadal-Fed thread will reach 1,000 posts. There isn't a barrel on earth that they won't scrape clean :cool:

stewietennis
11-23-2011, 08:57 PM
It's now one of the best seasons rather than being the definitive best.

helvet empire
11-23-2011, 08:57 PM
Mickey you know that the only person that cares about this season are Fedtards right? dont be like that

yeah... noletards weren't talking about the number of djokovic losses this season... never ever:D

atennisfan
11-23-2011, 08:59 PM
Mickey you know that the only person that cares about this season are Fedtards right? dont be like that


LOL. this is not the tune that noletards was singing throughout the first 10 months.
:rolls:

Saberq
11-23-2011, 08:59 PM
yeah... noletards weren't talking about the number of djokovic losses this season... never ever:D

true but still if Novak wins WTF it wont still be the best season so no point in talking about it :cool:

MIMIC
11-23-2011, 09:02 PM
yeah... noletards weren't talking about the number of djokovic losses this season... never ever:D

I think the entire world was at one point :scratch:

helvet empire
11-23-2011, 09:03 PM
true but still if Novak wins WTF it wont still be the best season so no point in talking about it :cool:

well yeah, that loss just made it official (although it could be argued the nishikori one already did). From now on, no need to talk about it indeed

DrJules
11-23-2011, 09:08 PM
It's now one of the best seasons rather than being the definitive best.

Certainly because you do have to consider the whole season.

Sophocles
11-23-2011, 09:20 PM
Looks as though Fed's probably safe.

sexybeast
11-23-2011, 09:23 PM
Fed 2004 also deserves to be compared to Djoko's season.

DrJules
11-23-2011, 09:25 PM
Looks as though Fed's probably safe.

Djokovic could still make a full recovery and win his next 3 matches in straight sets on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-23-2011, 10:58 PM
nadal's 2010 can be strongly argued as the best ever for the simple reason that nobody apart from him in the history of men's tennis has ever won 3 slams on all 3 major surfaces in a single year and slam achievements are the widely accepted basis for ultimate judgment......in my book that's the greatest single season ever by a tennis player......the level of tennis exhibited by him particularly at the french open and us open was breathtaking......wimbledon was great too considering the injury he had during that tournament......

still, i am happy to give it to djokovic for the level of domination he exhibited over such a massively historic top 3 and the rest of the field......downing nadal in two best of 5 sets matches back to back is some achievement......

Preach on my brother PREACH!
jmknyTMua-8

rocketassist
11-23-2011, 11:00 PM
Djokovic could still make a full recovery and win his next 3 matches in straight sets on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Not if Berdych straight sets Ferrer he won't, and if he does get the first set, I doubt Ferrer's gonna wanna fight like a beast with a SF in store the next day.

Egreen
11-24-2011, 01:54 AM
Fed's 2006.

ssj100
11-24-2011, 04:13 AM
Federer's 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 seasons could all be argued as the greatest years in tennis history. That's the amazing thing about it - he was so consistent through all those 4 years. He won more Slams in those 4 years than Nadal has won in his entire career. Nadal hasn't come close yet. Neither has Djokovic.

MIMIC
11-24-2011, 06:50 AM
I have to reconsider. Considering what Djokovic has done all season, I'd rank his ahead of Federer's 2006. I just realized that Federer lost to Nadal FOUR TIMES in a single year! Djokovic has yet to lose to anyone more than once. Djokovic didn't have a nemesis this year. He beat everyone, everywhere.

Also, Djokovic did better against Top 10 opponents (as well as top 3)

hosay
11-24-2011, 09:25 AM
I think Federer would very much like djokovic 2011 to become his main rival rather than nadal all his career. He had already win 5 more slams. Djoko is righty with a flat backhand which can be exploited by slice and only nadal's lefty topspin game is immune to the slice. IMO Federer deserves to turn his early opponents(2004-2007) into scrubs because he is a pioneer that bring tennis to new level. He had the best season.

Sophocles
11-24-2011, 10:19 AM
I have to reconsider. Considering what Djokovic has done all season, I'd rank his ahead of Federer's 2006. I just realized that Federer lost to Nadal FOUR TIMES in a single year! Djokovic has yet to lose to anyone more than once. Djokovic didn't have a nemesis this year. He beat everyone, everywhere.

Also, Djokovic did better against Top 10 opponents (as well as top 3)

Djoker's beat everyone, everywhere, until after the US Open. His "nemesis" was the last 3 months of the season.

Sophocles
11-24-2011, 10:19 AM
Djokovic could still make a full recovery and win his next 3 matches in straight sets on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

That's why I said "probably". ;)

sexybeast
11-24-2011, 11:03 AM
Needs to be said that Djokovic's worst surfaces are very fast surfaces and he won most of his matches in medium paced surfaces. He did great on grasscourts but indoors he would even fully fit probably not be able to match Federer and maybe not even Murray in Asia.

Federer 2006 lost almost only on clay, Djokovic 2011 lost mostly on very fast surfaces like Cincy and indoors. Anyway, it is not even about W/L anymore, not winning the YEC is a major hole in his resume this year. YEC is the 5th slam and ofcourse this year cant be compared to Federer 2006, 2004 without the 5th slam. 5 master series over 4 master series and YEC?

I think Fed's season is alot better than Djokovic's now when he probably wont get the YEC.

Commander Data
11-24-2011, 11:35 AM
Fed has won 20% more torunaments in 2006 then Nole in 2011 and was in all Slam finals. I can not see why Nole's season would be better.

SaFed2005
11-24-2011, 01:30 PM
Djoker's beat everyone, everywhere, until after the US Open. His "nemesis" was the last 3 months of the season.

This is where the problem lies. The questions is asking who had the best "SEASON"?
I do believe that the final 3 months are still part of the SEASON.

If Djokovic was great for 3/4th of the season but went AWOL for 1/4th of it... that clearly means he did not have the best season as a whole. You can only argue that he had the best 3/4th of a season.

Egreen
11-24-2011, 01:33 PM
I have to reconsider. Considering what Djokovic has done all season, I'd rank his ahead of Federer's 2006. I just realized that Federer lost to Nadal FOUR TIMES in a single year! Djokovic has yet to lose to anyone more than once. Djokovic didn't have a nemesis this year. He beat everyone, everywhere.

Also, Djokovic did better against Top 10 opponents (as well as top 3)

Nadal was way better on clay when he was 19-20 in 2006. He was faster, he could get to any ball, his BH was much better, mentally stronger with less mileage and a way better grinder than the mid-life crisis 2011 version on clay.:wavey: Him almost losing to Isner:eek::o:lol: at RG this year proves it.

Shinoj
11-24-2011, 01:34 PM
In fact when i had started arguing i really thought Noles season was the best ever. It was phenomenal till US Open, that was the best season i ever saw but he really has gone down the hill ever since and there was no need for him to participate in certain tournaments but the fact of the matter is that he did participate and was thrown out of the competition fast. So his peak averages out in the end.

Now i have to say that for sheer Consistency and Supremacy throughout the Season Federer's season was better. No wonder he is called the Goderer. Young Punks come and go but he remains the Goderer :worship:

Corey Feldman
11-24-2011, 01:38 PM
Goderer in 3 seasons (2004, 2006, 2007) won 3 GS and TMC

in 3 seasons he also reached ALL 4 GS final (2006, 2007, 2009) 2005 was quite average only winning 2 GS and losing 4 matches.

03 and 10 were one slam wonder years but again did have TMC titles with them and #2 ranking

remember his win/loss record at its best: 247-15 and like half of those 15 defeats he had MP or served for match

Shinoj
11-24-2011, 01:42 PM
Goderer :worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:.


No Naduller No Burnovic Just Goderer :worship::worship::worship::worship:

Egreen
11-24-2011, 01:48 PM
Goderer in 3 seasons (2004, 2006, 2007) won 3 GS and TMC

in 3 seasons he also reached ALL 4 GS final (2006, 2007, 2009) 2005 was quite average only winning 2 GS and losing 4 matches.

03 and 10 were one slam wonder years but again did have TMC titles with them and #2 ranking

remember his win/loss record at its best: 247-15 and like half of those 15 defeats he had MP or served for match

Let's face it: Novak is a poor man's Goderer.:cool:

MIMIC
11-24-2011, 02:00 PM
Nadal was way better on clay when he was 19-20 in 2006. He was faster, he could get to any ball, his BH was much better, mentally stronger with less mileage and a way better grinder than the mid-life crisis 2011 version on clay.:wavey: Him almost losing to Isner:eek::o:lol: at RG this year proves it.

When Djokovic does something against Nadal Fed could never do, all of a sudden Nadal sucks on clay. NID :lol:

danieln1
11-24-2011, 02:11 PM
Roger clearly in 06 is the best, followed by Novak this year

MIMIC
11-24-2011, 02:19 PM
This is where the problem lies. The questions is asking who had the best "SEASON"?
I do believe that the final 3 months are still part of the SEASON.

If Djokovic was great for 3/4th of the season but went AWOL for 1/4th of it... that clearly means he did not have the best season as a whole. You can only argue that he had the best 3/4th of a season.

Well he won everything up TO the last few months of the year. You're telling me that not only does he have to win everything before it, but also AFTER? Fed never had to deal with winning so many tournaments back-to-back that year. Is it fair to punish Djokovic because he couldn't stop winning?

Lopez
11-24-2011, 02:48 PM
Well he won everything up TO the last few months of the year. You're telling me that not only does he have to win everything before it, but also AFTER? Fed never had to deal with winning so many tournaments back-to-back that year. Is it fair to punish Djokovic because he couldn't stop winning?

:rolleyes: It's not like Federer played less matches than Nole come the indoor season.

If he lost, it was usually against Nadal in a final, including an epic Rome five-set final. The only time he lost before a final was at Cincy to Murray.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-24-2011, 02:56 PM
ok since you added fed in the mix, i say fed:angel:

Fedex
11-24-2011, 03:44 PM
Well he won everything up TO the last few months of the year. You're telling me that not only does he have to win everything before it, but also AFTER? Fed never had to deal with winning so many tournaments back-to-back that year. Is it fair to punish Djokovic because he couldn't stop winning?

Are you saying that Djokovic only started to lose because he became fatigued? lol, Fed 06 played over 20 more matches than Djokovic this year.

DDrago2
11-24-2011, 03:55 PM
The best season was Federer's when he collected 16th Grand Slam trophy. I hope for more in 2012 since Fed now plays close to his best.

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 04:10 PM
novak 2011 >= rafael 2010 > rafael 2008 > any other season...

as far as level of play is concerned,

rafael 2008 > novak 2011

Fedex
11-24-2011, 04:12 PM
novak 2011 >= rafael 2010 > rafael 2008 > any other season...

as far as level of play is concerned,

rafael 2008 > novak 2011

LOL

Nadal's 2010 is at the bottom of the top ten seasons in the open era. Nadal 2008 is probably not even in the top 20.

Glad I could educate you on this matter.

Sapeod
11-24-2011, 04:13 PM
Federer's.

Sapeod
11-24-2011, 04:13 PM
novak 2011 >= rafael 2010 > rafael 2008 > any other season...

as far as level of play is concerned,

rafael 2008 > novak 2011
You're hilarious.

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 04:19 PM
LOL

Nadal's 2010 is at the bottom of the top ten seasons in the open era. Nadal 2008 is probably not even in the top 20.

Glad I could educate you on this matter.

blind stats obsessed fools like you know jackshit......french open, wimbledon, olympics singles gold, multiple major titles on all three major surfaces clay, grass and hardcourts......that's 2008 for you......

HKz
11-24-2011, 04:23 PM
Honestly, Federer's 2006 is much better, and Federer's 2007 season is a bit better than Novak's 2011 season. Sure, Novak has won many great matches outside of the slams, so there is no need to take anything away from Novak, but at the end of the day, people most remember the slams, and Federer got to the French Open final.

Sure you can try to compare "the field" but that shit is so subjective that it makes politics look objective. Everyone will always complain of how light the field is. We call the 70s mugs, the 80s mugs, the 90s mugs, etc.

blind stats obsessed fools like you know jackshit......french open, wimbledon, olympics singles gold, multiple major titles on all three major surfaces clay, grass and hardcourts......that's 2008 for you......

A fool as always.

barbadosan
11-24-2011, 04:31 PM
Why bother to respond to the tin-foil hatted SdG. Face it, even if Fed had won a CYGS, SdG would have found some totally illogical line of reasoning to discredit it. Better to leave people like that in their blissful idiocy :)

Fedex
11-24-2011, 04:32 PM
blind stats obsessed fools like you know jackshit......french open, wimbledon, olympics singles gold, multiple major titles on all three major surfaces clay, grass and hardcourts......that's 2008 for you......

I use stats and objective analysis on the level of play of said player, and Nadal simply does not have very many dominant seasons on his resume, and his most dominant season, is arguably only the 4th or 5th best in the last ten years.

2008 doesn't even enter the discussion. Other two slam seasons, like Federer 05, Mac 84, and some Sampras years are clearly better than Nadal's 2008.

sexybeast
11-24-2011, 04:40 PM
If Djokovic doesnt win YEC he will just barely beat Federer's 2007. 2007 Federer had only 8 titles and 2 master series but YEC and RG final, Djokovic got 5 master series and 10 titles.

Right now it is in my opinion: Federer 2006>Federer 2004>Djokovic 2010>Federer 2007=Nadal 2010>Federer 2005>Nadal 2008

In Open era:

1.Laver 69
2.Federe 2006
2.Mcenroe 84
4.Connors 74
5.Federer 2004
6.Djokovic 2010
7.Federer 2007
7.Nadal 2010
9.Wilander 1988
10.Federer 2005
Honorable candidates: Nadal 08, Borg 79-80, Lendl 86-87, Sampras 94, Vilas 77

Naudio Spanlatine
11-24-2011, 04:41 PM
but rafa won 2 slams plus a medal in 2008, and had a great record that year

2010 he also had a great record as well and had three slams in different surfaces, so im sorry my friend yes rafa did had two dominating season and he didnt have to start superb either

and yes i agree that feds season in 2004 & 2006 was the best but you cant tell me that rafa didnt have a dominating season either not even noles 2011 season either

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 04:41 PM
Why bother to respond to the tin-foil hatted SdG. Face it, even if Fed had won a CYGS, SdG would have found some totally illogical line of reasoning to discredit it. Better to leave people like that in their blissful idiocy :)

there is no need for attacks......if you differ with what i say, do it without getting fits......

this forum seems to have become a permanent camp base for blind breed......they are always on the watch out like night owls and whoever doesn't worship their weak goddess are attacked rightaway......

djokovic's 2011 >= nadal's 2010 > nadal's 2008 > laver's 69 > others

Fedex
11-24-2011, 04:44 PM
there is no need for attacks......if you differ with what i say, do it without getting fits......

this forum seems to have become a permanent camp base for blind breed......they are always on the watch out like night owls and whoever doesn't worship their weak goddess are attacked rightaway......

djokovic's 2011 >= nadal's 2010 > nadal's 2008 > laver's 69 > others

Nope. None of Nadal's seasons crack the top 8 all time. Try again.

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 04:46 PM
Nope. None of Nadal's seasons crack the top 8 all time. Try again.

if i say they belong at the top, they do......

Fedex
11-24-2011, 04:49 PM
if i say they belong at the top, they do......

A broken clock is right more often than you are.

barbadosan
11-24-2011, 04:56 PM
there is no need for attacks......if you differ with what i say, do it without getting fits......

this forum seems to have become a permanent camp base for blind breed......they are always on the watch out like night owls and whoever doesn't worship their weak goddess are attacked rightaway......

djokovic's 2011 >= nadal's 2010 > nadal's 2008 > laver's 69 > others

And you don't constantly, unendingly attack Federer fans simply because they support Federer? Oh wait, I guess you calling people "blind breed" is your idea of a compliment then. In that case, let me compliment you right back. You, SdG, are the blindest of the blind breed :)

Sophocles
11-24-2011, 04:58 PM
If Djokovic doesnt win YEC he will just barely beat Federer's 2007. 2007 Federer had only 8 titles and 2 master series but YEC and RG final, Djokovic got 5 master series and 10 titles.

Right now it is in my opinion: Federer 2006>Federer 2004>Djokovic 2010>Federer 2007=Nadal 2010>Federer 2005>Nadal 2008

In Open era:

1.Laver 69
2.Federe 2006
2.Mcenroe 84
4.Connors 74
5.Federer 2004
6.Djokovic 2010
7.Federer 2007
7.Nadal 2010
9.Wilander 1988
10.Federer 2005
Honorable candidates: Nadal 08, Borg 79-80, Lendl 86-87, Sampras 94, Vilas 77

Yes, pretty spot on I'd say.

helvet empire
11-24-2011, 04:58 PM
there is no need for attacks......if you differ with what i say, do it without getting fits......

this forum seems to have become a permanent camp base for blind breed......they are always on the watch out like night owls and whoever doesn't worship their weak goddess are attacked rightaway......

djokovic's 2011 >= nadal's 2010 > nadal's 2008 > laver's 69 > others

LOL:smash:

fed 2006> fed 2004> nole 2011> fed 2007> nadal 2010> fed 2005> nadal 2008

get over it:cool:

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 04:58 PM
A broken clock is right more often than you are.

with such kiddish back and forths, you don't deserve anymore attention......i don't give a damn about 100 wins in a season over bald chumps like davydonkey, ljuba truba, flake and other clowns......i prefer quality over quantity......

fedclown's 2007 is greater than any of his previous seasons till that point......in 07 he had at least one respectable slam conquer over nadal on grass(although injured that win was still okay)......he also finally beat nadal on clay that year......so you better boast about 2007 than talking out of your arse about those wins over utter chumps in 2005 and 2006......baby nadal blasted your god some 4 or 5 times in a row in 2006, i don't remember the exact number......what greatness are you exactly speaking about?

helvet empire
11-24-2011, 04:59 PM
with such kiddish back and forths, you don't deserve anymore attention......i don't give a damn about 100 wins in a season over bald chumps like davydonkey, ljuba truba, flake and other clowns......i prefer quality over quantity......

fedclown's 2007 is greater than any of his previous seasons......in 07 he had at least one respectable slam conquer over nadal on grass(althought injured that win was still okay)......he also finally beat nadal on clay that......so you better boast about 2007 than talking out of your arse about those wins over utter chumps......

yeah chumps like davydenko and blake who were slaughtering nadal:p:p

Fedex
11-24-2011, 05:04 PM
with such kiddish back and forths, you don't deserve anymore attention......i don't give a damn about 100 wins in a season over bald chumps like davydonkey, ljuba truba, flake and other clowns......i prefer quality over quantity......

fedclown's 2007 is greater than any of his previous seasons till that point......in 07 he had at least one respectable slam conquer over nadal on grass(although injured that win was still okay)......he also finally beat nadal on clay that year......so you better boast about 2007 than talking out of your arse about those wins over utter chumps in 2005 and 2006......baby nadal blasted your god some 4 or 5 times in a row in 2006, i don't remember the exact number......what greatness are you exactly speaking about?

Oh, quality matters? Okay then, we can take away Nadal's 2010 Wimbledon title, since he beat a big time clown in the finals, Berdych. We can also eliminate Nadal's first RG title, since he played another clown in the finals, Puerta, never to be heard from again, besides the doping scandal. Nadal had the biggest cakewalk draw in the 2010 US Open, so that is eliminated as well. Fed had mono in 2008, so that removes his 2008 Wimbledon title. That leaves Nadal with just 6 slams, and only one legit grand slam off of clay (2009 AO). Doesn't seem so great when you really think about it.

DrJules
11-24-2011, 05:06 PM
blind stats obsessed fools like you know jackshit......french open, wimbledon, olympics singles gold, multiple major titles on all three major surfaces clay, grass and hardcourts......that's 2008 for you......

The Olympics is not a major title.

A major title is either AO, FO, Wimbledon or US Open.

DDrago2
11-24-2011, 05:07 PM
blind stats obsessed fools like you know jackshit......french open, wimbledon, olympics singles gold, multiple major titles on all three major surfaces clay, grass and hardcourts......that's 2008 for you......

Blind are you if you can't see that Federer is simply the most elite tennis player ever... who produced
many records, including several most dominating years ever, going like 3 GS and finals of the 4th, then only 4 losses for the whole season, crazy winning streaks... and other stuff. Not to mention how easy he made it look like.

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 05:11 PM
Oh, quality matters? Okay then, we can take away Nadal's 2010 Wimbledon title, since he beat a big time clown in the finals, Berdych. We can also eliminate Nadal's first RG title, since he played another clown in the finals, Puerta, never to be heard from again, besides the doping scandal. Nadal had the biggest cakewalk draw in the 2010 US Open, so that is eliminated as well. Fed had mono in 2008, so that removes his 2008 Wimbledon title. That leaves Nadal with just 6 slams, and only one legit grand slam off of clay (2009 AO). Doesn't seem so great when you really think about it.

bullshit.....you din't get the point.....it's not like nadal never beat fed at wimbledon for you to discount 2010 wimbledon......

plus nadal won his us open over djokovic......nadal's first slam came over fed and even puerta + drugs couldn't stop nadal......hahaha mono, say that to ancic, soderling......

fed's 2006 was utter crap with not even one single great win......nadal was only starting on grass, kiefer and flukedhatis(playing 3 5 setters before the final) in australia was a travesty......i don't even remember who he beat at the us open......

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 05:15 PM
djokovic's 2011 >= nadal's 2010 > nadal's 2008 > other seasons in contention.....

DrJules
11-24-2011, 05:16 PM
If Djokovic doesnt win YEC he will just barely beat Federer's 2007. 2007 Federer had only 8 titles and 2 master series but YEC and RG final, Djokovic got 5 master series and 10 titles.

Right now it is in my opinion: Federer 2006>Federer 2004>Djokovic 2010>Federer 2007=Nadal 2010>Federer 2005>Nadal 2008

In Open era:

1.Laver 69
2.Federe 2006
2.Mcenroe 84
4.Connors 74
5.Federer 2004
6.Djokovic 2010
7.Federer 2007
7.Nadal 2010
9.Wilander 1988
10.Federer 2005
Honorable candidates: Nadal 08, Borg 79-80, Lendl 86-87, Sampras 94, Vilas 77

Its Djokovic 2011.

Overall a reasonable list that can be substantiated with evidendence rather than prejudice.

McEnroe 84 probably too high because in the end he did lose at RG and did not play AO, and Connors won all 3 GS on grass in 1974.

Probably go (based on Djokovic winning YE 2011):

1.Laver 69 - the grand slam year.
2.Federer 2006 - 3 GS + weight of titles.
2.Djokovic 2011 - 3 GS + presence of Federer and Nadal.
4.Nadal 2010 - 3 GS on different surfaces.
5.Federer 2004 - 3 GS + weight of titles.
6.Mcenroe 84 - so few losses.
7.Connors 74 - 3 GS + many titles.
8.Federer 2007 - 3 GS
9.Wilander 1988 - 3 GS
10.Federer 2005 - so few losses, but incurred some key defeats in year.

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 05:18 PM
1. djokovic's 2011

1. nadal's 2010

3. nadal's 2008

4. laver's 1969

and the rest......

DrJules
11-24-2011, 05:21 PM
there is no need for attacks......if you differ with what i say, do it without getting fits......

this forum seems to have become a permanent camp base for blind breed......they are always on the watch out like night owls and whoever doesn't worship their weak goddess are attacked rightaway......

djokovic's 2011 >= nadal's 2010 > nadal's 2008 > laver's 69 > others

Your bias is in danger of you being accused of belonging to the "stupid breed". You correctly note much unfair and inaccurate bias against Rafael Nadal, but you are equally biased against Federer.

barbadosan
11-24-2011, 05:22 PM
1. djokovic's 2011

1. nadal's 2010

3. nadal's 2008

4. laver's 1969

and the rest......

:haha: Like John the Baptist, one man crying in the wilderness :D

GOAT = Fed
11-24-2011, 05:23 PM
IMO in terms of statistics:

Federer's 2006/2004 > Novak 2011 (Assuming Novak doesn't win WTF 2011)> Federer 2005 > Nadal 2010 > Nadal 2008

In terms of level of play:

Federer 2006/2005/2004 > Novak 2011 = Rafa 2008 > Rafa 2010.

Start da Game
11-24-2011, 05:25 PM
Your bias is in danger of you being accused of belonging to the "stupid breed". You correctly note much unfair and inaccurate bias against Rafael Nadal, but you are equally biased against Federer.

there is no bias, blind breed societal member......i have reasoned why i think nadal's seasons are greater than any of your weak goddess's......quality over quantity, is it that tough to comprehend? of course it's tough for you but still......

Fedex
11-24-2011, 05:27 PM
bullshit.....you din't get the point.....it's not like nadal never beat fed at wimbledon for you to discount 2010 wimbledon......

plus nadal won his us open over djokovic......nadal's first slam came over fed and even puerta + drugs couldn't stop nadal......hahaha mono, say that to ancic, soderling......

fed's 2006 was utter crap with not even one single great win......nadal was only starting on grass, kiefer and flukedhatis(playing 3 5 setters before the final) in australia was a travesty......i don't even remember who he beat at the us open......

The top 8 players in 2006 is pretty handily superior to today's top ten, or last year's top ten.

Beating Djokovic last year in the US Open final wasn't some grand accomplishment. Djokovic had no wins over the top ten going into that semifinal with Federer and his serve was horrid (more double faults than aces for chrissakes).

DDrago2
11-24-2011, 05:29 PM
there is no bias

:spit:

Naudio Spanlatine
11-24-2011, 05:30 PM
lavers 1969
feds 2006
rafa 2010 slightly better than no.4
nole 2011
agassi 1999

Saberq
11-24-2011, 05:36 PM
lavers 1969
feds 2006
rafa 2010 slightly better than no.4
nole 2011
agassi 1999

Rafa's 2010 is not better than Novak's 2011...give me a break man......more masters more top 10 wins,the streak,more points......

Singularity
11-24-2011, 05:50 PM
there is no bias, blind breed societal member......i have reasoned why i think nadal's seasons are greater than any of your weak goddess's......quality over quantity, is it that tough to comprehend? of course it's tough for you but still......
Well, Nadal played better in 2008 than he did in 2010, I think. Certainly the quality of the opposition in all his finals was a lot higher. By your standards, Federer > Soderling, Federer > Berdych. Murray in 2008 was also possibly better opposition than Djokovic in 2010, though in any case Djokovic was far from his best.

Quality over quantity puts Nadal's 2008 over his 2010.

DDrago2
11-24-2011, 05:51 PM
Federer won 3 grand slams and was in the finals of the 4-th two years in a row. He was the closest you can be from equaling Lavers achievement - all 4 GS events two times. Therefore, all best years lists must beggin with Laver on 1st and Federer on 2nd place. Federer's place is then further supported by numerous records: only 4 defeats during the season, record grass winning streak, record HC winning streak, record distance from no.2 in points etc.

rocketassist
11-24-2011, 06:20 PM
Yep Nadal's 08 was better than his 2010. Higher level. Played well in all slams bar the AO, went on a streak from Hamburg to the USO of something like 30-1.

Melzer in an RG semi in 2010, old man Youzhny in a USO semi, not comparable!

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-24-2011, 06:24 PM
might sound crazy to some but i think theres a good argument for fed 2005> fed 2006

only safin at his best stopped 2005 being a better year

imo

fed 2005/2006
fed 2004
fed 2007
nole 2011
nadal 2008
nadal 2006
nadal 2010 (yes he won 3 slams but it was without any competetion at all and the easiest draws i have ever seen)

wilanders 88 and connors 74 are the 2 most overrated years in history- and both players suck d!ck anyway

mac's 84 is as good as any single year ever
pete's 94/95 (considering) the competition is as good as any year aswell

laver lost 16 times in 69- just saying
and his 1967 was better than his 69

borg's runs between 78 and 80 are all amazing

venky91
11-24-2011, 06:49 PM
As an Indian, I'm so glad I'm not related to Start da Game.

Fed 2006 > everything.

Egreen
11-24-2011, 09:27 PM
fed's 2006 was utter crap with not even one single great win......

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/5056550061_0d23ddaa25.jpg

rocketassist
11-24-2011, 10:53 PM
Is SDG related to the Rao family?

DDrago2
11-24-2011, 11:02 PM
Federer's 2012 will be mirraculous. It will eclipse everything achieved in the world of tennis to this day; Federer's star will shine with such brilliance that it will cast a deep shadow on everything and everyone else. All 4 grand slams, olympic gold, and Davis Cup will be won. And WTF, unless Nadal does some incantations.

So there is huge job to be done infront of us. Let's start immediately! Let Federer win this WTF, and continue with such victories throughoy the next season. God give us health to live and see best tennis of Rogers life!

tektonac
11-24-2011, 11:14 PM
Federer's 2012 will be mirraculous. It will eclipse everything achieved in the world of tennis to this day; Federer's star will shine with such brilliance that it will cast a deep shadow on everything and everyone else. All 4 grand slams, olympic gold, and Davis Cup will be won. And WTF, unless Nadal does some incantations.

So there is huge job to be done infront of us. Let's start immediately! Let Federer win this WTF, and continue with such victories throughoy the next season. God give us health to live and see best tennis of Rogers life!

yeah, sure.

Arkulari
11-24-2011, 11:39 PM
Federer's 2012 will be mirraculous. It will eclipse everything achieved in the world of tennis to this day; Federer's star will shine with such brilliance that it will cast a deep shadow on everything and everyone else. All 4 grand slams, olympic gold, and Davis Cup will be won. And WTF, unless Nadal does some incantations.

So there is huge job to be done infront of us. Let's start immediately! Let Federer win this WTF, and continue with such victories throughoy the next season. God give us health to live and see best tennis of Rogers life!

:lol: :spit: good one :haha:

Saberq
11-24-2011, 11:41 PM
Federer's 2012 will be mirraculous. It will eclipse everything achieved in the world of tennis to this day; Federer's star will shine with such brilliance that it will cast a deep shadow on everything and everyone else. All 4 grand slams, olympic gold, and Davis Cup will be won. And WTF, unless Nadal does some incantations.

So there is huge job to be done infront of us. Let's start immediately! Let Federer win this WTF, and continue with such victories throughoy the next season. God give us health to live and see best tennis of Rogers life!

hey mods time to ban this troll ...do your job :wavey:

DDrago2
11-24-2011, 11:48 PM
NO... NOT BAN... there is no place other then this where I can pour out all the garbage from my self... It's enough that my threads usually get deleted very fast...

Federer_28
11-25-2011, 10:00 PM
Feds 2006 > Nole 2011

4 Masters shield + WTF > 5 Masters Shield.

92-5 > 69-6

12 tiles > 10 titles

Corey Feldman
11-25-2011, 10:01 PM
i like you Federer 28

post more

guga2120
11-25-2011, 10:03 PM
Feds 2006 > Nole 2011

4 Masters shield + WTF > 5 Masters Shield.

92-5 > 69-6

12 tiles > 10 titles


It's not all about numbers. Level of competition is obviously a huge factor when comparing something like this. Novak, played and beat better players.

Silvester
11-25-2011, 10:08 PM
numbers is what people remember. They will look at statistics, not opponents played that season.

Corey Feldman
11-25-2011, 10:12 PM
settled once and for all, your winner

http://cornedbeefhash.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/raul-gautier-federer.jpg?w=450

fmolinari2005
11-25-2011, 10:23 PM
The weak era theory is a "one size fits all" kind of thing.

First of all: yeah, Nole beat Nadal left and right. But he didn't do it so at the FO- even if one can argue that he could'd done that. So, not much different from Fed's 2006 year- it wasn't Fed's fault that at that time Nadal couldn't get past the "weaker guys" on hard courts. And Fed did beat Nadal on a GS final.

Second of all: if one can play the weak era card, another one can play the "transitional era" card too. Fed and his generation past his prime, Murray still unable to make a stand on a GS final, Nadal finally getting bitten on the ass by the a poor match up. And the next generation still not mature. Fed was playing his own generation at full flight between 04-07, plus one of the younger guns (Nadal) doing quite some damage already.

To me: Fed 2006 > Nole 2011 = Nadal 2010 (the guy achieved something nobody ever did I suppose: winning three GS on a row, played in 3 different surfaces). Of course that Fed had 2004, 2005 and 2007 to back it up. And Nadal had that amazing 2008 season.

guga2120
11-25-2011, 10:30 PM
settled once and for all, your winner

http://www.novakdjokovic.rs/slike/TvrdaPodloga/263b.jpg

fmolinari2005
11-25-2011, 10:34 PM
I didn't know the question was "who is the best media attention whore". Yeah, he is the winner. Damn it, and I am not even a Nolehater. :lol:

bluefork
11-25-2011, 11:00 PM
Feds 2006 > Nole 2011

4 Masters shield + WTF > 5 Masters Shield.

92-5 > 69-6

12 tiles > 10 titles

To me, it's pretty hard to argue with these stats, particularly the fact that Federer won 23 more matches than Djokovic. Another thing to consider is that there were no byes in the first rounds of the TMS tournaments back in 2006 (except IW and Miami), which made them just that much harder to win.

I'll admit that parts of Djokovic's 2011 season were better than Federer's 2006 season, but on the whole, it was clearly Federer.

ssj100
11-25-2011, 11:25 PM
Feds 2006 > Nole 2011

4 Masters shield + WTF > 5 Masters Shield.

92-5 > 69-6

12 tiles > 10 titles

There's always a need to go back to pure statistics sometimes. It makes things much more simple.

samanosuke
11-26-2011, 12:18 AM
Don't understand why some people can't get it clear . Nobody touches Fed's records

thrust
11-26-2011, 01:35 AM
It's not all about numbers. Level of competition is obviously a huge factor when comparing something like this. Novak, played and beat better players.

TRUE!!

ssj100
11-26-2011, 01:52 AM
TRUE!!

Define "better players". Very hard to. However, numbers make it simpler. Not saying statistics is the be all and end all, but you guys are mostly using your emotions to judge here.