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nobama
11-19-2011, 12:14 PM
2-year ranking?!? No thanks. :o

Off Court, Engaging in the Future of Tennis
By CHRISTOPHER CLAREY
Published: November 18, 2011

It will be a busy, potentially pivotal tournament for the world’s best players in London, and not only because of the tennis at the ATP World Tour Finals.

There will also be board meetings, player meetings and discussions in and out of the locker room about the future of the men’s circuit and the identity of the tour’s next chief executive.

“This is going to be a very interesting 10 days,” said Justin Gimelstob, an American and a former player who is one of three player representatives on the ATP board of directors, which also includes three tournament representatives.

Adam Helfant, a sharp-minded 46-year-old American who was a tough negotiator at Nike, is about to leave after three years in his post. Although he announced his decision in June, tournament officials and players are still haggling over who might become his successor, with the leading candidate, Richard Krajicek, the 1996 Wimbledon champion, generating both strong opposition and considerable support.

There is a chance the tour will have to postpone naming a successor and re-embark on a talent search, leaving the circuit without a chief executive for an undetermined stretch.

Helfant’s replacement is hardly the only off-court issue in London. There have been renewed calls for changes, a cyclical activity in the Balkanized world of professional tennis, where competing agendas and complaints about the calendar are as much part of the landscape as toweling off between points.

The difference this time is that the biggest stars are deeply engaged in the game’s governance and are also on uncommonly good terms, even if competitive tensions exist. “There’s no one who is in their cocoon; people are respecting each other,” said David Ferrer, the Spaniard who is ranked No. 5 in the world.

Roger Federer continues to serve as president of the ATP Player Council and Rafael Nadal as its vice president.

“I’ve been impressed by their judgment,” Helfant said in a recent interview. “They are active participants in those meetings, and they care deeply about the governance of the sport. Their accomplishments on the court will speak for themselves over time and they’ll obviously be linked together forever in tennis history. But I would hope in the history of tennis, people will also remember all the work they put in off the court.”

Gimelstob said he was impressed by their attention to detail and staying power.

“We’re sitting there on a Friday night in a meeting room at the U.S. Open for four or four and a half hours with Roger, Rafa and Fernando González,” he said. “Speaking on everything from qualifying cutoffs, doubles and small stuff to prize-money allocation, to pensions, to real big issues. But the most impressive thing about Roger and Rafa in these meetings is that there is no less level of intensity and connection to the issues that don’t affect them.”

Plenty of tennis players have been deeply engaged off court. Billie Jean King was among a group of players who were pivotal in starting the women’s professional circuit in 1970. For the men, Cliff Drysdale took the risk of leading the Wimbledon boycott in 1973, and many top players participated in a news conference in a parking lot at the U.S. Open in 1988 that anticipated the creation of the existing ATP Tour in 1990.

Such radical moves seem unlikely to happen in this more scripted era, although there was grumbling at the rain-interrupted U.S. Open this year, where leading players like Nadal and Andy Murray criticized the tournament’s long-standing scheduling policies. U.S. Open officials have since addressed some of those concerns, announcing that they are working toward giving the men a day of rest between the semifinals and the final.

Mardy Fish, the top American player, said he believed the player protest movement had “dissipated a little bit.”

But major issues remain, none of which will be easy to solve in the fractious tennis world. Many players, including Nadal and his compatriot Ferrer, continue to push for the Davis Cup to reform its schedule by reducing the number of rounds or switching to a two-year cycle.

There is frustration among non-American players about the spring hardcourt swing in the United States, in which the Masters 1000 tournaments in Indian Wells, California, and Miami take up nearly four weeks in an overstuffed schedule. Reports in the Spanish news media also indicate that some leading players are pushing for a modified ranking system, modeled in part on the world golf rankings, that would take two years of results into account instead of one.

There is lingering frustration that the Grand Slam tournaments do not commit a greater percentage of their revenue to player compensation. Although Helfant and the tour have succeeded in ending the season two weeks earlier in 2012 and 2013 by shuffling tournaments, there have been calls for further shortening.

“The season is too long,” said Jean-François Caujolle, tournament director in Paris. “But you have to remember that Federer doesn’t play one long season. He plays four mini-seasons, with breaks or training blocks in between. I think it’s a false problem.“

Although there has been ample dialogue, injuries and withdrawals have kept the top players from meeting as a group since the U.S. Open. Federer and Novak Djokovic skipped the Asian swing to Tokyo and Shanghai. Nadal skipped the Paris indoor event last week. He did find the time and energy, however, to travel from Spain to visit Disneyland Paris with relatives on the final weekend of the tournament.

It will be difficult to make a push for any major changes without a new chief executive in place. Most of the leading players did not want Helfant to leave. He brought in new sponsorship, successfully orchestrated the shortening of the season and had genuine connections to stars like Federer.

“I wish he would have stayed,” Federer said in a recent interview. “We tried to make it work. He had a great chemistry with the players and also with sort of the council, and we really respected him. I knew him from Nike. I always thought he was a tough negotiator and really good for our sport.”

Helfant has not publicly explained his reasons for leaving after being offered an extension and a raise by the board, but there was tension between Helfant and some tournament directors.

An outspoken player who had one of the best, most beautiful serves in tennis, Krajicek is now tournament director in Rotterdam in his native Netherlands. He would fulfill the European players’ desire for a European leader. But there are concerns in some quarters about Krajicek’s lack of extensive administrative experience and concern that tournament directors might support him because they feel he would be easy to influence.

Whether Krajicek or someone else, whomever is picked will have to deal with the same deep fault lines that Helfant and his predecessors, Étienne de Villiers and Mark Miles, had to negotiate.

“It’s not an impossible job, but it’s a tough one, like trying to herd kittens,” said Paul Annacone, the former American pro now coaching Federer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/sports/tennis/19iht-SRWTPOLITICS19.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Pirata.
11-19-2011, 12:20 PM
Many players, including Nadal and his compatriot Ferrer, continue to push for the Davis Cup to reform its schedule by reducing the number of rounds

what the fuck, there are only four rounds per year, and that's only for the two finalists. do they just want two teams randomly selected from a bowl and they play in the final? What in the hell kind of solution is this?

Reports in the Spanish news media also indicate that some leading players are pushing for a modified ranking system, modeled in part on the world golf rankings, that would take two years of results into account instead of one.

I wonder who :lol:

nobama
11-19-2011, 12:42 PM
what the fuck, there are only four rounds per year, and that's only for the two finalists. do they just want two teams randomly selected from a bowl and they play in the final? What in the hell kind of solution is this?



I wonder who :lol:I'm just waiting for him to propose a calendar with all tournaments on clay and grass. :lol:

Rumors on Twitter are that #2 wants Krajicek for Helifant's job but Fed doesn't think he has enough business experience.

paseo
11-19-2011, 12:44 PM
some leading players are pushing for a modified ranking system, modeled in part on the world golf rankings, that would take two years of results into account instead of one.

No. No, no, no, no, no, no. NO. NO! NO! These 'leading players' should just play golf then. F*ck off!

bluesoleil
11-19-2011, 12:47 PM
Rumors on Twitter are that #2 wants Krajicek for Helifant's job but Fed doesn't think he has enough business experience.
Other rumors on Twitter are that Krajicek is a Nadaltard, so that may explain why rafa wants him for the job and roger doesn't :lol:

Chirag
11-19-2011, 01:30 PM
Shame on Nadal ,really .To change the ranking system to 2 years is just :o:o:o.He really should just shut up about the ranking system play the game .All the greats had 1 year ranking system and they dealt with it no problem .Nadal defend your points for next season and dont crib about it .Every player has to do it .

MaxPower
11-19-2011, 01:58 PM
Other rumors on Twitter are that Krajicek is a Nadaltard, so that may explain why rafa wants him for the job and roger doesn't :lol:

Krajicek was the tournament director of Rotterdam and they put down the fastest surface probably of all tournaments this year. Maybe even a little faster than they wanted but they sure wanted fast hc

I think Krajicek got a soft spot for big serving and aggressive tennis maybe because of how he played himself. I don't mind him taking Helfant's job one bit, he might spice things up a little

bluesoleil
11-19-2011, 02:06 PM
Krajicek was the tournament director of Rotterdam and they put down the fastest surface probably of all tournaments this year. Maybe even a little faster than they wanted but they sure wanted fast hc

I think Krajicek got a soft spot for big serving and aggressive tennis maybe because of how he played himself. I don't mind him taking Helfant's job one bit, he might spice things up a little

He was asked by a journalist who was his favourite between Nadal and Federer, and he said he was a nadal fan because he loved his passion or something like that... with that I'm not saying he can't be impartial while doing his job. :)

TennisOnWood
11-19-2011, 02:14 PM
Krajicek was the tournament director of Rotterdam and they put down the fastest surface probably of all tournaments this year. Maybe even a little faster than they wanted but they sure wanted fast hc

I think Krajicek got a soft spot for big serving and aggressive tennis maybe because of how he played himself. I don't mind him taking Helfant's job one bit, he might spice things up a little

Rotterdam will be slower in 2012. cause he wants to bring Rafa

Time Violation
11-19-2011, 02:17 PM
n the corridors of power at the O2 Arena—home of the approaching ATP World Tour Finals—and hotels in central London, there is chatter going on about changing the method of calculating the men's rankings, going from a one-year/12-month cycle of results to a two-year/24-month cycle.

Rafael Nadal, along with other top players, is a strong advocate of changing the rankings, while Roger Federer is not at all anxious to break with the traditional way that things are done, an impeccable source indicated.

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/features.aspx?articleid=15146&zoneid=9

Pirata.
11-19-2011, 02:21 PM
:o

MM_1257
11-19-2011, 02:25 PM
Shame on Nadal ,really .To change the ranking system to 2 years is just :o:o:o.He really should just shut up about the ranking system play the game .All the greats had 1 year ranking system and they dealt with it no problem .Nadal defend your points for next season and dont crib about it .Every player has to do it .

DITTO! If there is something I do not agree with Rafa, that is mostly the 2-yr ranking system. All had one -year so no change there, please.

emotion
11-19-2011, 02:34 PM
It astounds me Nadal has fans

No idea how you reduce davis cup rounds. Unless they mean making it all happen at once.

fran70
11-19-2011, 02:37 PM
This is the calendar that I propose and the main points to be considered on this schedule are the following ones:
• Reduce the lenght of the tour. Starting on January and finish it beggining of November
• Contemplate the fact that players consider the present calendar as too long and at the same time tennis is a world wide sport and there should be as many tournaments as possible around the world
• Keep the tradition of tennis: That means to give more importance to traditional tournaments, give more importance to grass courts and return back to the speed of the grass ones. Return of importance to carpet ones and maintain the importance of clay courts ones.
• Give more importance to GS and MS tournaments which points system should be reconsidered giving more points than they are receiving now.
• 500 and 250 tournaments draws should be reduced to 28 players where the top 4 players should be given a bye on the first round
• MS tournaments draw should be reduced to 32 players and the lenght of all of them should be of one week.
• Only GS should be played at the best of 5 sets as well as Davis Cup matches. The rest of the tournaments, MS included, should be played at the best of 3 sets.
• WTF should be played to be the best of 3 sets and give the same amount of points they are giving right now (a possibility could be to cancel it).
• Reorganize the distribution of tournaments around the world
• Reorganize the ranking points system considering the best of 16 tournaments : The four Grand Slams, 7 of 9 MS, and the other 5 tournaments considering the best performance on 500, 250 and Davis cup performances.
• Keep the location of certain traditional tournaments (read Miami, Montecarlo, Rome) while the location of certain MS tournaments can be moved every two years (read a MS in Asia between Shanghai and Tokio), a MS in Latin America between Buenos Aires, Santiago, San Pablo/Rio de Janeiro, Acapulco), a grass court one in Europe (as UK holds a GS so another place in Europe can be consider as Halle, Hamburg or Hertogenbosch), Toronto/Montreal, Cincinatti/Indianapolis/Washington/Los Angeles) a carpet MS at the end of the year in Europe between Madrid, Stockholm and Viena)
• Develop a new Challenger system of tournaments with three categories of tournaments with more tournaments especially in Africa
• The possibility of considering an ATP ranking system similar to the PGA Golf tour (the best results of the last two years)

Preliminary idea of an ATP Calendar 2012:
Jan 2nd. Johannesburg (HC) 250-Kuala Lumpur (HC) 250-Doha (HC 500
Jan 9th. Chennai 250- Bangkok 250- Dubai 500
Jan 16th. Auckland 250-Sydney 500
Jan 23th. Australian Open. Week 1
Jan 30th. Australian Open. Week 2
February 6th. Tokio 500 – Beijing/Seoul 250
February 13th. MS Shanghai
February 20th. Davis Cup 1st round
February 27th. Delray Beach 250 – San Jose 250
March 5th. Memphis 500 – Indian Wells 500
March 12th. MS Miami
March 19th. Costa do Sauipe 250- Santiago 250
March 26th. San Pablo 500- Buenos Aires 500
April 2nd. Acapulco MS 1000
April 9th. Casablanca 250-Bucarest 250
April 16th. Barcelona 500-Belgrado 250
April 23th. Montecarlo MS 1000
April 30th. Munich 250- Kitzbuhel 500-
May 7th. Rome MS 1000
May 14th. Nice 250-Bucarest 250
May 21st. French Open week 1
May 28th. French Open week 2
June 4th. Newport 250-Eastbourne 250
June 11th. Hamburg MS 1000
June 18th. Queens 500 – Hertogenbosch 250
June 25th. Wimbledon. Week 1
July 2nd. Wimbledon Week 2
July 9th. Davis Cup . Quarterfinals
July 16th. Atlanta 250 – Bastad 250-
July 23rd. Los Angeles 500 – Stuttgart 250
July 30th. Washington 500 – Gstaad 250.
August 6th. Montreal MS 1000
August 13th. Houston 250
August 20th Cincinatti MS 1000
August 27th. New Haven 250
September 3rd. US Open week 1
September 10th. US Open week 2
September 17th. Davis Cup Semifinal.
September 24th. Zagreb 250- Marseille 250- Valencia 250
October 1st. Rotterdam 500 – Metz 250
October 8th. Viena 500-St. Petersburg 250-Montpellier 250
October 15th. Stockholm 500 – Moscow 500
October 22nd. Madrid MS 1000
October 29th. WTF. London
November 5th. Davis Cup final.

Pirata.
11-19-2011, 02:58 PM
Two and a half month clay season, I'd kill myself :o

Looks good though. Replace Hamburg with Halle, which actually has the grass courts.

• 500 and 250 tournaments draws should be reduced to 28 players where the top 4 players should be given a bye on the first round
• MS tournaments draw should be reduced to 32 players and the lenght of all of them should be of one week.
• The possibility of considering an ATP ranking system similar to the PGA Golf tour (the best results of the last two years)

These will be detrimental to younger players trying to climb the rankings and 250s are already small events with small draws, no need to make it even easier for top guys by giving them a first round bye. Under a two year system, you'd have some players have a great year, then spend the next 10 months losing first round every other tournament and still maintaining a high ranking.

nobama
11-19-2011, 02:58 PM
http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/features.aspx?articleid=15146&zoneid=9

I'd love a list of names of the clowns supporting 2 year ranking. What a joke. The only ones who benefit from it are those at the top. :o

Sunset of Age
11-19-2011, 03:06 PM
I'd love a list of names of the clowns supporting 2 year ranking. What a joke. The only ones who benefit from it are those at the top. :o

As if the top players aren't already getting pampered enough. :o
It would be a massive shame if this would come to be.

Pirata.
11-19-2011, 03:06 PM
Rafa supports it, according to this impeccable source, while Roger is a against it.

philosophicalarf
11-19-2011, 03:20 PM
It shouldn't be beyond the wit of tennis to come up with a ranking system that weights older results less. Say results 13-24 months ago have half-weighting.

We certainly can't have 24 month rankings otherwise, you'd see Golubev-style absurdities (ie someone hotrodded their way to a title two years ago, but hasn't won a match for 8 months and is still top 40). Also old guys would continue taking draw spots for an eternity - they could even stop training, lose endlessly, would make a mockery of things.

Nole fan
11-19-2011, 03:26 PM
It will be difficult to make a push for any major changes without a new chief executive in place. Most of the leading players did not want Helfant to leave. He brought in new sponsorship, successfully orchestrated the shortening of the season and had genuine connections to stars like Federer.

Now, that explains it all.