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Is Murray's style of play the Nonslam factor?!

henke007
11-19-2011, 09:22 AM
I have always thought about this. Either Andy loses to a hardhitter hot on the day along the way Cilic, Wawrinka, Berdych The Don :D etc. Or he struggles against top players like Fed, Nole and Nadal the first 2 more offensive aswell. Maybe his biggest chance is against Rafa on HC if he can play like in Tokyo for 5 sets. The mental aspect is a factor also maybe in Wimbledon mostly.

3 Finals and 0-9 in sets to more skilled offensive players with a solid def..

I can't help to think of Wozniacki aswell as comparison...

I don't like Murray that much but i am not trying to talk him down. I just can't see him winning more then 1-2 Slams tops if he is a little lucky and all clicks compared to the others :confused:...

Certinfy
11-19-2011, 09:42 AM
Well playing the way he does if he is to win a Grand Slam it's clear it'll not only depend on his level but also the other top guys'. Whereas with the likes of someone who plays like Federer generally he can win Grand Slams regardless of anyone else's.

Andy's game is more than good enough to win a few Grand Slams, but to win anything more than a few, even as a fan I don't really see it.

ossie
11-19-2011, 09:47 AM
yup, no forehand means no slam in this day and age.

JurajCrane
11-19-2011, 06:26 PM
I like Murrayīs chances in Australia next year.

But, letīs imagine he can get into Melbourne final again. Against every top player he wonīt be a favourite.

Sham Kay
11-19-2011, 06:37 PM
If that's the case, I'd say the hardhitter hot on the day style is the non-slam factor considering their lack of success in comparison to Murray. Unsure why he's the only one being scrutinized when other majorly talented players are doing far worse overall and in slams.

Time Violation
11-19-2011, 07:05 PM
Unsure why he's the only one being scrutinized when other majorly talented players are doing far worse overall and in slams.

Well, he is kinda unique there - 21 titles/8 Masters and 0 sets won in slam finals :)

LawrenceOfTennis
11-19-2011, 07:07 PM
Murray has the big game although everybody forgot it. 2008 USO is the proof.

Saberq
11-19-2011, 07:38 PM
Murray has the big game although everybody forgot it. 2008 USO is the proof.

and what was at that US Open 2008 that you all talk about....he got DESTROYED in the FINAL......he got lucky in the SF that Nadal was worn out

LawrenceOfTennis
11-19-2011, 07:39 PM
and what was at that US Open 2008 that you all talk about....he got DESTROYED in the FINAL......he got lucky in the SF that Nadal was worn out

bullshit. he got beaten but he showed he has an attacking game. He wasn't experienced enough to compete with JesusFed back then.

rocketassist
11-19-2011, 07:47 PM
and what was at that US Open 2008 that you all talk about....he got DESTROYED in the FINAL......he got lucky in the SF that Nadal was worn out

He outplayed Nadal, fair and square, debate over Big 3 Gloryboy.

It isn't style of play as much as mental frailty, the world's top 2 have managed to get by playing brick wall tennis.

Saberq
11-19-2011, 08:42 PM
He outplayed Nadal, fair and square, debate over Big 3 Gloryboy.

It isn't style of play as much as mental frailty, the world's top 2 have managed to get by playing brick wall tennis.

well Fed isnt playing brick wall tennis and still is beating his ass

Sham Kay
11-19-2011, 08:43 PM
Well, he is kinda unique there - 21 titles/8 Masters and 0 sets won in slam finals :)
No need to spit the stats at me, I know all too much about his successes and failures over the 7 years I've followed him. But I take your point.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-19-2011, 08:45 PM
he has the game to win a slam but the problem really is his mental, he always had that issue if he continues to have that issue it will affect his game and he'll be downgraded into a useless defensive pusher instead of a offensive grinder

Mae
11-20-2011, 01:11 AM
he has the game to win a slam but the problem really is his mental, he always had that issue if he continues to have that issue it will affect his game and he'll be downgraded into a useless defensive pusher instead of a offensive grinder

I'm afraid you are right there :sad: The pressure seems to get to Murray more than the other top players :tears:

Naudio Spanlatine
11-20-2011, 01:21 AM
I'm afraid you are right there :sad: The pressure seems to get to Murray more than the other top players :tears:

yes but dont wry, he will improve, he needs to believe that he can win big matches like the slams:hug: :hug: :hug:

Topspindoctor
11-20-2011, 03:23 AM
Mugray is a mental midget, that's why he can feast on MM titles to maintain his rank but fails in slams. Who cares that he "can play offensively" when he turns to a counterpunching mug on the big stage?

MuzzahLovah
11-20-2011, 03:28 AM
Well playing the way he does if he is to win a Grand Slam it's clear it'll not only depend on his level but also the other top guys'. Whereas with the likes of someone who plays like Federer generally he can win Grand Slams regardless of anyone else's.

Andy's game is more than good enough to win a few Grand Slams, but to win anything more than a few, even as a fan I don't really see it.

Other than Nadal. And Djokovic. And Safin.

Chirag
11-20-2011, 08:07 AM
Murrays attitude is the problem here,not his game .Until he learns to take responsibility for his mistakes on the court instead of blaming his camp in between matches ,he wont win a slam .If he changes that attitude then he wont crumble in the bug stage and that will give him a 50-50 shot at the title .

He does need a forehand though to finish points quickly in the early rounds

henke007
11-20-2011, 08:39 AM
Many speak of the mental aspect and i think you are right. I am to pretty annoyed of his junior antics on court talking outloud whenever he misses a shot like the opponent couldn't possibly have hit that shoot bla bla..

I think his serve still is a weakness even if he produces a respectable amount of aces and servicegames hold etc. The 1st serve can still dip to lower 40.s on any given day. Add to that his weak 2nd serve.

Vida
11-20-2011, 01:00 PM
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .

Slice Winner
11-20-2011, 04:28 PM
The old saying goes 'you're only as good as your second serve'. ;)
Being a bit facetious, but if Murray had a reliable 2nd serve, it would give him more freedom to attack on the 1st.
His problem is being too passive - it's a mentality thing. Nothing can change that except Muzz himself. He brings his A game a few times each year though, but I can see him being burnt out and slowing down at 27.

Dougie
11-20-2011, 04:32 PM
Murrays game certainly has itīs limitations, but when you reach 3 Slam finals and fail to win even a set, then itīs pretty much a mental issue.

Vida
11-20-2011, 08:29 PM
Murrays game certainly has itīs limitations, but when you reach 3 Slam finals and fail to win even a set, then itīs pretty much a mental issue.

no guarantee even a peak-prime playing murray would've made it vs fed in 08, 10, and novak in 11.

Clydey
11-20-2011, 10:35 PM
Well, he is kinda unique there - 21 titles/8 Masters and 0 sets won in slam finals :)

I'd agree with this. If you were to look at Murray's career outside of the majors, you would assume that he had won multiple slams. Players with even a fraction of his success in MS events tend to win majors. It's a bit of a mystery why he crumbles in major finals, yet is so mentally strong everywhere else.

blank_frackis
11-20-2011, 11:38 PM
I don't think he's going to keep choking in slam finals for the rest of his career. If he continues to be good enough to make them then he'll win one sooner or later. Nerves get better the more you're exposed to a situation, plus he could always get lucky with the opponent he's up against.

shiaben
11-21-2011, 12:37 AM
He got screwed over hard in the first U.S. Open final. Had no sleep. Federer had a huge advantage there. But there were no excuses for the beatings he took at the Australian Opens. He might win a slam OR two with this style assuming key players are injured, fatigued (had a tough set of players to go through), or had some terrible off days. But this type of style will not grant him many titles if he does manage to preserve it (nor would it merit him further respect).