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Fair that 2 of the 4 slams are played on hardcourt? Unfairly skews slam records?

nadalwon2012
11-18-2011, 05:47 PM
Wouldn't it be fairer if there were only 3 slam titles (one clay, one grass, one hard)?

And back when Laver twice won 4 slams in the Calendar Year there were 3 slams on grass and one slam on clay.

Either the slam distribution becomes fair by taking away one of the hardcourt slams, leaving just 3 slams, or replace one of the hardcourt slams with a 2nd clay slam (because clay is the only surface never to have hosted multiple slams).

Rodre Fegassi
11-18-2011, 05:50 PM
Wouldn't it be fairer if there were only 3 slam titles (one clay, one grass, one hard)?

And back when Laver twice won 4 slams in the Calendar Year there were 3 slams on grass and one slam on clay.

Either the slam distribution becomes fair by taking away one of the hardcourt slams, leaving just 3 slams, or replace one of the hardcourt slams with a 2nd clay slam (because clay is the only surface never to have hosted multiple slams).

Nah, I reckon all 4 should be played on clay just for your little Nadal boy.

Oh, except Djokovic might still be able to beat him.

feuselino
11-18-2011, 06:38 PM
there is also no carpet slam and no indoor slam... the current system is okay I think.

Start da Game
11-18-2011, 06:43 PM
i would love to see us open switched to green clay again......green clay plays faster and is a lot more easier on the body compared to the brutal hardcourts inside arthur ashe stadium and other stadiums in the USTA tennis center......

Jankotipsaurus
11-18-2011, 06:44 PM
all four surfaces are different and especially weather condition at US and Aussy Open

Acer
11-18-2011, 06:45 PM
Nah, I reckon all 4 should be played on clay just for your little Nadal boy.

Oh, except Djokovic might still be able to beat him.

teehehe

oz_boz
11-18-2011, 07:39 PM
To make it more balanced, they could switch one of the hc slams to indoor carpet. Not that I think it will happen.

Anyway it would be much more fun with greater variety between the surfaces again. The surface equalisation must be a big contributing factor to the fact that every season since 2004 has involved one player winning 2+ slams, and 4 of those with 3 slam wins (then I don't even take into account final apperances).

SetSampras
11-18-2011, 08:16 PM
I always thought it should have been:
Slow clay
fast, slick grass
medium hardcourt
lightning fast carpet
for the slams.. and it should NEVER be changed

I don't agree with two hardcourt slams.. There is too much hardcourt tennis as it is throughout the year. Thus winning the career slam or a calendar slam EXTREMELY difficult and making it the ultimate prize in tennis. Now.. Its not so prestigous at all anymore. They had it pretty close to perfect in the 90s.. With the exception of the two hardcourt slams. Carpet should have been the USO IMO.

This helps offset the development of future-ama racket technology with sweetpots on the strings the size of Serena Williams' arse.

shadows
11-18-2011, 08:17 PM
Yup, there definitely should be a super fast carpet slam instead of one of the HC's

rocketassist
11-18-2011, 09:15 PM
I always thought it should have been:
Slow clay
fast, slick grass
medium hardcourt
lightning fast carpet
for the slams.. and it should NEVER be changed

I don't agree with two hardcourt slams.. There is too much hardcourt tennis as it is throughout the year. Thus winning the career slam or a calendar slam EXTREMELY difficult and making it the ultimate prize in tennis. Now.. Its not so prestigous at all anymore. They had it pretty close to perfect in the 90s.. With the exception of the two hardcourt slams. Carpet should have been the USO IMO.

This helps offset the development of future-ama racket technology with sweetpots on the strings the size of Serena Williams' arse.

It's supposed to be extremely difficult and the ultimate prize in tennis! Now it's nothing cause all the surfaces and games play the same.

Next June, don't be surprised if we're crowning a third Career GS winner in four years.

Certinfy
11-18-2011, 09:17 PM
Like I've said in the past, a Grand slam should be played on ice.

Would make MonfilsFanatic happy too.

Lee
11-18-2011, 09:25 PM
Yup, there definitely should be a super fast carpet slam instead of one of the HC's

If you can find a place that have enough courts to host the event. US Open used about 15 courts for completition in the first few days. You need to add more courts for practise.

Ibracadabra
11-18-2011, 09:57 PM
If there was a carpet slam nalbandian would be goat and nadal would never of completed the career slam. Pick your posion fan boys.

stewietennis
11-18-2011, 10:18 PM
all four surfaces are different and especially weather condition at US and Aussy Open

Is there a big speed difference between the Australian Open hardcourts and the US Open hardcourts? I don't think the different weather, which is random anyway, is enough to justify having two majors on one surface.

BigJohn
11-18-2011, 11:02 PM
Sometimes it feels like a very even tug of war competition between rafatards and noletards.

MuzzahLovah
11-18-2011, 11:03 PM
Um? Two Hard Court Slams? One of the slams is played indoors and the other on water,completely different :haha:

Roadmap
11-18-2011, 11:12 PM
The French open should be turned into a carpet slam.

shiaben
11-18-2011, 11:30 PM
Wouldn't it be fairer if there were only 3 slam titles (one clay, one grass, one hard)?

And back when Laver twice won 4 slams in the Calendar Year there were 3 slams on grass and one slam on clay.

Either the slam distribution becomes fair by taking away one of the hardcourt slams, leaving just 3 slams, or replace one of the hardcourt slams with a 2nd clay slam (because clay is the only surface never to have hosted multiple slams).

Truth is a good player can play anywhere. He shouldn't be defined as a clay courter, a grass court guy, or a hard court one.

stewietennis
11-18-2011, 11:44 PM
(because clay is the only surface never to have hosted multiple slams).

The US Open was played on clay between 1975 - 1977

BodyServe
11-19-2011, 12:10 AM
Ausopen should be on another surface than hard, or move it elsewhere.

Maybe they could use a thin layer of green clay...
French Open would need to be slowed down if this happen.

Pirata.
11-19-2011, 12:17 AM
sweetpots on the strings the size of Serena Williams' arse.

:haha:

Fedex
11-19-2011, 02:40 AM
To make it more balanced, they could switch one of the hc slams to indoor carpet. Not that I think it will happen.

Anyway it would be much more fun with greater variety between the surfaces again. The surface equalisation must be a big contributing factor to the fact that every season since 2004 has involved one player winning 2+ slams, and 4 of those with 3 slam wins (then I don't even take into account final apperances).

Actually, 5 of those were 3 slam seasons (3 Fed, 1 Nadal, 1 Djokovic).

rocketassist
11-19-2011, 03:07 AM
To be fair when it was first done there was still some difference (2004) as you had a field of Gaudio, Coria, Moya, Guga, Nalbandian going deep at RG, Grosjean, Schalken, Roddick, Fed and Hewitt at Wimbledon, Safin and Agassi excelled at the AO playing a great SF, and the USO saw fast courters excel.

nadalwon2012
11-19-2011, 05:17 AM
Truth is a good player can play anywhere. He shouldn't be defined as a clay courter, a grass court guy, or a hard court one.

Well, a 'good player' can't win all 4 slams, as only a handful of guys have the Career Grand Slam.

And Nadal is the only man in history to win slams on clay, hard, grass in a Calendar year. So I don't agree that a 'good player' can play anywhere. A legend can play anywhere.

If we're talking about number of slams won, there is no doubt a player who performs better on hardcourts is given a huge edge in racking up slams.