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Only 2 overweight players in top 100 by BMI - both of them in TOP 10

Jankotipsaurus
11-18-2011, 03:42 PM
You must be thinking Roddick, Nalbandian, Wawrinka, Baghdatis, Malisse, Dodik,... but not of them

I just looked at the ATP site ranking (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx) of all 100 players in few minutes and found out that only 2 are overweight by Body Mass Index. I just needed to calculate (http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bminojs.htm) for Roddick and all others are obvious normal at first sight






http://www.atpworldtour.com/~/media/D5DB409B037F40C798CBEE3B048E02D8.ashx?w=148&h=198

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
6
Singles Ranking

Height:
6'2" (188 cm)
Weight:
200 lbs (91 kg)


http://www.atpworldtour.com/~/media/E8502ECCF98148A89D14AED369C0522E.ashx?w=148&h=198

Janko Tipsarevic
9
Singles Ranking
Height:
5'11" (180 cm)
Weight:
183 lbs (83 kg)



next big fish :)

http://www.atpworldtour.com/~/media/C8C4A9057D6D48A9830D2359F14413F0.ashx?w=148&h=198

Michael Berrer
106
Singles Ranking

Height:
6'4" (193 cm)
Weight:
220 lbs (100 kg)

:worship::worship::worship:


Correct me if I forgot someone other cause i've done this in 5 minutes .



So Tipsarevic and Tsonga still could improve a lot of their physics as we know that MOVEMENT is most important part of modern game.

Tsonga style of playing favors short points, powerful strokes, but he has obvious poor movement in a rallies and Tipsarevic as BASELINER needs urgently to lose some weight if he thinks not to risk serious injury and want some decent results next year.
This explains why he always get injured in high pace matches like with Djokovic at US Open when he played high quality match 2 sets and then just disappear...

SetSampras
11-18-2011, 03:52 PM
BMI is ridiculous. It never takes into account, muscle density, a person's frame etc.

Dejan16
11-18-2011, 03:56 PM
BMI is ridiculous. It never takes into account, muscle density, a person's frame etc.

+1

Jankotipsaurus
11-18-2011, 03:56 PM
BMI is ridiculous. It never takes into account, muscle density, a person's frame etc.

not ridicoulous in sports where movement is in first place

or courts would be full of others

Sunset of Age
11-18-2011, 04:09 PM
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Rodre Fegassi
11-18-2011, 04:10 PM
Plus, players often have incorrect stats.

A few years ago, Federer's weight was listed as the same as Nadal. Since they're the same height, just look at the difference in their arm size and you know that Nadal must be heavier, thus Federer's weight stat is bumped up for some reason.

solowyn
11-18-2011, 04:17 PM
:lol:
Yes, I'm sure these athletes are checking BMI charts every minute. BF% ... who cares.

Jankotipsaurus
11-18-2011, 04:18 PM
Plus, players often have incorrect stats.

A few years ago, Federer's weight was listed as the same as Nadal. Since they're the same height, just look at the difference in their arm size and you know that Nadal must be heavier, thus Federer's weight stat is bumped up for some reason.

yeah :rolls: tell that to their teams. Nadal an Federer are same for ages

Jankotipsaurus
11-18-2011, 04:22 PM
:lol:
Yes, I'm sure these athletes are checking BMI charts every minute. BF% ... who cares.

why would they need it if they were working hard


but we could find out who are the laziest players on tour;)

abraxas21
11-18-2011, 04:22 PM
this: BMI is ridiculous. It never takes into account, muscle density, a person's frame etc.

and this: Plus, players often have incorrect stats.


cant believe im agreeing with these 2 tbh

Jankotipsaurus
11-18-2011, 04:29 PM
this:

and this:

cant believe im agreeing with these 2 tbh

yeah you are always areeing with fails, thats is your nature :)

top players have teams who control every step of them...

Shinoj
11-18-2011, 04:31 PM
No surpises that Tsonga is the leader of the pack. Such a clown he is.

And how did Roddick miss this list. He would have bribed ATP.

yesh222
11-18-2011, 04:54 PM
I was gonna point out how ridiculous it is to use BMI for this but you all beat me to it.
Look at (American) football players. Most are probably "overweight" by BMI and some are world-class sprinters. And they all need to be able to move very quickly for short periods of time.

Sophocles
11-18-2011, 05:04 PM
I do hope the OP gets to 300 posts.

philosophicalarf
11-18-2011, 05:15 PM
Tipsarevic has exploded in muscle this last year, his figure will be wrong. Looks more like a weightlifter nowadays.

tangerine_dream
11-18-2011, 05:18 PM
And how did Roddick miss this list. He would have bribed ATP.
Eh, Roddick has never been overweight. You must be thinking of Nalbandian. :)

Helevorn
11-18-2011, 05:29 PM
Plus, players often have incorrect stats.

Yes, players sometimes have incorrect stats for what regards weight, height and so on.. since some months ago Dolgopolov's weight on the ATP site was more than 80 kg :lol:

r2473
11-18-2011, 05:29 PM
That's hard to believe to be honest.

If you are 6 foot, you are considered overweight by BMI if you weigh 185 (i.e.; BMI of 25 or greater).

For each inch add/subract 5 lbs.

I'm thinking more than just the guys you mentioned are "overweight".

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

Lopez
11-18-2011, 05:31 PM
BMI is such BS, especially if you're a male with some muscle mass.

Calculating the body fat percentage is better, though it's tough to measure correctly.

henke007
11-18-2011, 05:37 PM
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

+1

green25814
11-18-2011, 05:41 PM
Fail thread. No top tennis player is 'overweight'. People joked about Nalbandian but even he was in amazing shape compared to your average person. A lot of people have no idea just how much athleticism being a pro tennis player takes these days.

BMI is a retarded way to judge athletes btw.

r2473
11-18-2011, 05:45 PM
BMI is such BS, especially if you're a male with some muscle mass.

Calculating the body fat percentage is better, though it's tough to measure correctly.

BMI is a surprisingly good health predictor for large populations.

As far as muscle mass goes, you might be amazed to realize that the greatest NATURAL bodybuilding champions in history only carried between 30-40 lbs. more muscle than some that has never trained before (depending on height). The average gym rat / lifter will have a really hard time adding even 15 lbs. of actual muscle. Just for reference, an additional 15 lbs. is what a fitness model would carry. There is not one single tennis player (with the possible exception of Tsonga) that has added that much muscle.

Most weight guys add is actally just fat. You may get stronger, but that doesn't necessarily mean that what you added is muscle.

But, nobody will ever believe this (even though its true).

Mountaindewslave
11-18-2011, 05:49 PM
BMI is a useless statistic as some have already mentioned for very good reasons. I don't know why you made this thread at all.

as formentioned it does not take into an account how broad a person is as far as bone size and shoulders nor muscle mass. I mean look at someone like Tsonga, I can't promise that he's in perfect shape, but certainly his shoulders are very large and certainly he has a good deal of muscle. BMI fails so this is pointless

Jankotipsaurus
11-18-2011, 06:05 PM
BMI is such BS, especially if you're a male with some muscle mass.

Calculating the body fat percentage is better, though it's tough to measure correctly.

it is about body mass, not fat, it could be muscles too

more muscles means less speed. Have you ever seen bodybuilder plays tennis :) they just pose on stage

Jankotipsaurus
11-18-2011, 06:10 PM
I was gonna point out how ridiculous it is to use BMI for this but you all beat me to it.
Look at (American) football players. Most are probably "overweight" by BMI and some are world-class sprinters. And they all need to be able to move very quickly for short periods of time.

Look at european football players. All of them are in normal range, thousands of them, not even one is overweight why? Movement is their most important weapon same as tennis players,

American football is different sport, there are players with different tasks, same as basketball, mass vs speed - Shaq vs Kobe


BMI is a useless statistic as some have already mentioned for very good reasons. I don't know why you made this thread at all.

as formentioned it does not take into an account how broad a person is as far as bone size and shoulders nor muscle mass. I mean look at someone like Tsonga, I can't promise that he's in perfect shape, but certainly his shoulders are very large and certainly he has a good deal of muscle. BMI fails so this is pointless



yes it is useless statistic, even if it says 98%.

MTF at its best :)

star
11-18-2011, 07:31 PM
Plus, players often have incorrect stats.

A few years ago, Federer's weight was listed as the same as Nadal. Since they're the same height, just look at the difference in their arm size and you know that Nadal must be heavier, thus Federer's weight stat is bumped up for some reason.

They are not even the same height. Federer is clearly taller in every picture they take together.

Also, how do you “know” Nadal must be heavier?

Henry Chinaski
11-18-2011, 08:17 PM
Look at european football players. All of them are in normal range, thousands of them, not even one is overweight why? Movement is their most important weapon same as tennis players,

American football is different sport, there are players with different tasks, same as basketball, mass vs speed - Shaq vs Kobe






yes it is useless statistic, even if it says 98%.

MTF at its best :)

part about footballers isn't strictly true.

I read an article years ago and several top players were overweight by BMI.

Sol Campbell and Kolo Toure were both obese. (this is when they were at their peak...both really did get fat later in their careers)

I'm sure plenty of footballers are overweight by BMI.

You are correct in saying that too much weight is a hindrance in tennis whether ir be muscle or fat. Obviously it is tough to find the right balance between strength and weight.

Take Del Potro for example. He put ona lot of weight and his movement improved dramatically because he gained so much leg strength.

Nadal on the other hand, when he was having knee problems it seems his team decided he was carrying too much weight. I don't think there is any evidence that this happened but Rafa certainly looks less bulky than he did from 2005-2007.

SetSampras
11-18-2011, 08:37 PM
Part of the problem with this whole BMI thing, is if you are a certain weight at a certain height you are overweight. I seem to remember saw Tyson who was what 5'10, 220? With close to ZERO percent body fat.. Yet if we go by his weight for his respective height he is overweight. Look at all these short roided bodybuilders, are they overweight with close to zero percent bodyfat?

How can u have very little if any body fat percentage yet be overweight?

StevoTG
11-19-2011, 12:38 AM
BMI is ridiculous. It never takes into account, muscle density, a person's frame etc.

True.

It is an interesting discussion, but anyone who summises that Tsonga and Tipsy are simply 'overweight' is a bit mislead.

marquez
11-19-2011, 12:43 AM
schoorel was listed at 2.17m(7 ft 1 in) some months ago

so much about the credibility of this thread :lol:

fast_clay
11-19-2011, 12:56 AM
interesting... but, if you took it to the street Murray would put them all in the meat grinder...

MuzzahLovah
11-19-2011, 01:18 AM
As much as I dislike Janko's personality, he's not overweight.

http://www.tennisperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Janko-Tipsarevic-underwear.jpg

Tsonga could be a bit more cut, but overweight is a stretch.
http://famewatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/jo-wilfried-tsonga-naked-for-everyman-campaign.jpg

MuzzahLovah
11-19-2011, 01:22 AM
interesting... but, if you took it to the street Murray would put them all in the meat grinder...

Agreed :worship:
http://i1.cdnds.net/09/26/550w_gayspy_shirtless_tennis_8.jpg

Kat_YYZ
11-19-2011, 03:28 AM
it is about body mass, not fat, it could be muscles too

more muscles means less speed. Have you ever seen bodybuilder plays tennis :) they just pose on stage
Look at sprinters vs long-distance runners. Sprinters are muscular; muscles help them burst off the start and push themselves to crazy speeds in a short period of time. Long-distance runners are much thinner, some even look too thin. This is because you don't want to carry all that muscle a long distance, it makes you tired.

For a tennis player, the muscle is needed to hit the ball hard and to change directions and get around the court quickly. But too much muscle means it's hard to keep running in long rallies. (unless you're Nadal, but we'll leave that one alone, for now :angel:)

So a tennis player needs to have the right amount of muscle for his body and playing style.

Jankotipsaurus
11-19-2011, 05:19 AM
part about footballers isn't strictly true.

I read an article years ago and several top players were overweight by BMI.

Sol Campbell and Kolo Toure were both obese. (this is when they were at their peak...both really did get fat later in their careers)


Kolo Toure not even close;)

Kolo Touré (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/23601/kolo-toure?cc=5739)
Height: 6' 0'' (1.83m)
Weight: 74 kg

Sol Campbell is not serious player more than 5 years, but he is now fat and 37y old
Sol Campbell (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/8049/sol-campbell?cc=5739)
Age: 37
Height: 1.88m
Weight: 91 kg
same as Tsonga :rolls:

but look Campbell at peak
http://torontofc.theoffside.com/files/2009/08/campbell416celeb.jpg
and now :rolls:
http://www.nufcblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sol-campbell-svd.jpg


I'm sure plenty of footballers are overweight by BMI.

if tennis players are 98% in normal range, top football players are 99.99% or even more, these 00.01% are just oldies



You are correct in saying that too much weight is a hindrance in tennis whether ir be muscle or fat. Obviously it is tough to find the right balance between strength and weight.

Take Del Potro for example. He put ona lot of weight and his movement improved dramatically because he gained so much leg strength.

Nadal on the other hand, when he was having knee problems it seems his team decided he was carrying too much weight. I don't think there is any evidence that this happened but Rafa certainly looks less bulky than he did from 2005-2007.


agree but Delpo still was a kid and he needed more power or he would have been same as Cilic


Look at sprinters vs long-distance runners. Sprinters are muscular; muscles help them burst off the start and push themselves to crazy speeds in a short period of time. Long-distance runners are much thinner, some even look too thin. This is because you don't want to carry all that muscle a long distance, it makes you tired.

For a tennis player, the muscle is needed to hit the ball hard and to change directions and get around the court quickly. But too much muscle means it's hard to keep running in long rallies. (unless you're Nadal, but we'll leave that one alone, for now :angel:)

So a tennis player needs to have the right amount of muscle for his body and playing style.

don't believe everythin what you see on TV ;)
best sprinters:
Usain Bolt (1.96 m). Weight, 207 lb (94 kg) NORMAL
Tyson Gay (1.80 m). Weight, 165 pounds (75 kg) NORMAL - same height sa Tipsarevic but 8 kilos less than Tipsy
Asafa Powell 1.90 m 85 kg NORMAL
Yohan Blake 1,85 m 84 kg NORMAL
......
Dwain Chambers Overweight but was taking steroids :rolls: and was average sprinter - same height and weight as Tipsarevic

but they sprint 10 seconds(speed over endurance) and tennis players could be half of day on a court (both endurance and speed)

Say Hey Kid
11-19-2011, 07:17 AM
Anyone who is claiming BMI is relative at all is ignorant beyond belief.

BMI is a solid barometer for the "average human" who does not partake in alot of strength training exercises, and engages in a a lifestyle where working a desk job and going home is their routine day.

For individuals who work professionaly as an athletic trainer or professional athletes, BMI is literally irrelevant.

NFL running back Reggie Bush is 6'0 206lb. He would be considered overweight by BMI standards. Yet, he would destroy literally any tennis player in contests of outright speed (4.3 40 yard dash), accerlation and agility exercises. He would beat anyone on tour, and most likely endurance as well, as he was a stud cross country runner in highschool.

Andre Johnson, recognized as the NFL's best receiver is listed at 6'3 225 lb, 5.3% body fat (show me a ATP tennis player has less body fat). He also runs a 4.4 40 yard dash which indicates he's one of the most explosive runners on the planet.

Lastly, the fastest player to ever walk the planet in Usaisn Bolt is listed at 6'5 207 lbs which is very close to "overweight" by BMI standards.


Obviously these athletes aren't in the same line of work as ATP Tennis players, but when it comes to pure "movement" drills Reggie Bush would not only beat any ATP player in agility and accerlation drills, but literally destroy every ATP player in them in those contests, Review his combine numbers and tell me an ATP player who has better agility, speed, or accerlation (which are the 3 athletic drills which decide athletic movement). None would beat him.

The reason ATP and soccer professionals do have an average BMI for the most part is due to the fact because muscle mass will not assist them in their sport. Therefore, they do not partake in many weight training exercises to increse muscle mass. However, that doesn't mean a good athlete with a high BMI will be effected negatively when it comes to movement, agility, accerlation, and endrance.

In fact, if the tennis players with a high BMI tried to lose wieght, it would hinder their game most likely.

Let's take Tsonga as an example and say he tried to lose 20 lbs to get his BMI down. Those 20 lbs lost would be mainly muscle, as he does not have alot of body fat. After the weight loss, His game would definitely regress due to the fact his muscle memory would be greatly atlered. This would result in much more errors and faults on the 1st serve

Henry Chinaski
11-19-2011, 09:27 AM
Kolo Toure not even close;)

Kolo Touré (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/23601/kolo-toure?cc=5739)
Height: 6' 0'' (1.83m)
Weight: 74 kg



Have you ever seen Kolo Toure with his shirt off?

He is RIPPED. 74kg...well that's just hilarious. He's at least 10kg heavier than that. He even ate a ban for taking his wife's slimming pills he struggles with his weight so badly.

I don't know why you believe these official listed weights for any sports stars.

They're an absolute joke. They seem to be like official boxing weights that are taken when a fighter has starved and dehydrated himself for 48 hours beforehand to make weight.

Speaking of boxers...heavyweight fighters are the only athletes whose listed weights can be taken with any credibility.

Against Klitschko David Haye weighted in just under 213lbs. At 6 3 that puts him overweight by BMI.

Klitschko was 243lbs (6'6) which puts him firmly in the overweight category too.

In MMA, Junior Dos Santos is in the overweight category while Brock Lesnar, Cain Velasquez and Shane Carwin are classed as obese.

Even if we accept the official listings that find tennis players overweight, they are not alone in the world of pro sport.

nole_no1
11-19-2011, 09:32 AM
lol at Tipsarevic being overweight :spit:

Henry Chinaski
11-19-2011, 10:04 AM
Like Philisophical said, Tipsy is probably even heavier now.

Remember he tweeted that pic of his quad?

It was so big it looked fucking deformed. It was something you'd on a roided up mr universe contestant

MaxPower
11-19-2011, 10:18 AM
BMI has always been a poor indicator for top atheletes as muscles are heavier than fat. That said Tsonga would only benefit from losing a few pounds. He's like a freaking tank out there but he pays for it too.

It's way more demanding to run around with 90kg compared to say 85kg. Not to mention the increased stress on all the joints, especially the knees on hard surfaces. For Tsonga's height it's definitely reasonable that he could play slightly lighter without losing any power.

Jankotipsaurus
11-19-2011, 07:01 PM
Have you ever seen Kolo Toure with his shirt off?

He is RIPPED. 74kg...well that's just hilarious. He's at least 10kg heavier than that. He even ate a ban for taking his wife's slimming pills he struggles with his weight so badly.

I don't know why you believe these official listed weights for any sports stars.

They're an absolute joke. They seem to be like official boxing weights that are taken when a fighter has starved and dehydrated himself for 48 hours beforehand to make weight.

Speaking of boxers...heavyweight fighters are the only athletes whose listed weights can be taken with any credibility.

Against Klitschko David Haye weighted in just under 213lbs. At 6 3 that puts him overweight by BMI.

Klitschko was 243lbs (6'6) which puts him firmly in the overweight category too.

In MMA, Junior Dos Santos is in the overweight category while Brock Lesnar, Cain Velasquez and Shane Carwin are classed as obese.

Even if we accept the official listings that find tennis players overweight, they are not alone in the world of pro sport.


Kolo Toure is normal, he maybe was overweight after injury as other players but when he was fit obviosly not. Not even close means that he need 10 kiolos at his peak. And i know that he had health problems which result with belly and thats why he is not playing this year, just substitution

And I don't believe in official listed weights for any sports stars, just for best athlete on world like football and tennis players and 100m sprinters,
add one kilo to Nadal weigth and he is going to strugle in second set with Djokovic, just one kilo...

why are trying to compare boxers with tennis players i don't get it .Of course they are all OVERWEIGHT if their category is called HEAVYWEIGHT ;)

Jankotipsaurus
11-19-2011, 07:05 PM
@ Say Hey Kid

Ameirican football is not best example of athleticism, you could compare them with boxers or some strength discipline. Look:

1) all attacks last for 5-10 seconds
2) and then waiting for a new attack position for minute or more
question - where have you seen endurance here??? they have defensive players with 150 kilos too

Sport is only popular in USA and i understand why you are all obsessed with it.

And that your massive runnin back would leave tennis court with broken ankles after five minutes of serious tennis because he can only run in a straight line and push opponents from his back by strenght...but, but...his body is not designed to change direction of movement almost every second

BMI has always been a poor indicator for top atheletes
All top athletes in modern sport have normal BMI. More muscles they have, more chance to get injured and bad results. Look at Tipsarevic. He is only overweight player and BASELINER at same time...and thats why he has more retirements then anyone else on Tour

as I said in 1st post he and Tsonga are the laziest players on Tour and could improve their game a lot in future.

Henry Chinaski
11-19-2011, 07:47 PM
@ Say Hey Kid

Ameirican football is not best example of athleticism, you could compare them with boxers or some strength discipline. Look:

1) all attacks last for 5-10 seconds
2) and then waiting for a new attack position for minute or more
question - where have you seen endurance here??? they have defensive players with 150 kilos too

Sport is only popular in USA and i understand why you are all obsessed with it.

And that your massive runnin back would leave tennis court with broken ankles after five minutes of serious tennis because he can only run in a straight line and push opponents from his back by strenght...but, but...his body is not designed to change direction of movement almost every second


All top athletes in modern sport have normal BMI. More muscles they have, more chance to get injured and bad results. Look at Tipsarevic. He is only overweight player and BASELINER at same time...and thats why he has more retirements then anyone else on Tour

.

you keep saying that despite being dis-proven with other sporting examples.

here's 2 more: Wayne Rooney http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1349632/The-Rooneys-While-Wayne-fame-fortune-brother-John-following-dream-New-York.html

and Didier Drogba http://www.chelseafc.com/page/PlayerProfileDetail/0,,10268~28142,00.html

two of the best footballers on the planet

Time Violation
11-19-2011, 07:51 PM
Look at Tipsarevic. He is only overweight player and BASELINER at same time...and thats why he has more retirements then anyone else on Tour

as I said in 1st post he and Tsonga are the laziest players on Tour and could improve their game a lot in future.

Interesting point :)

StevoTG
11-19-2011, 08:21 PM
Look at sprinters vs long-distance runners. Sprinters are muscular; muscles help them burst off the start and push themselves to crazy speeds in a short period of time. Long-distance runners are much thinner, some even look too thin. This is because you don't want to carry all that muscle a long distance, it makes you tired.

For a tennis player, the muscle is needed to hit the ball hard and to change directions and get around the court quickly. But too much muscle means it's hard to keep running in long rallies. (unless you're Nadal, but we'll leave that one alone, for now :angel:)

So a tennis player needs to have the right amount of muscle for his body and playing style.

This is very true. When I went to a physical trainer to improve my tennis, his basic demand was that I put on ten-fifteen kilos of muscle. He guaranteed that, coupled with the right training, this would work wonders for my movement around the court - and I had previously thought that being light was my best bet to cover the court. I haven't managed to put all of the muscle on yet, but everything he says seems to be holding up.

Of course, if you put too much muscle on your body will tire quicker, as those muscles have to be fed with oxygen and you have to carry a lot of weight around the court, which is also tough on the joints. You need to find a happy medium. A tennis player, generally speaking, shouldn't be as big as a bodybuilder (well, upper body anyway) and shouldn't be as skinny as a marathon runner. Murray's physique looks perfect for a tennis player, as does Tipsy in the picture posted above. Though everyone's biology is a bit different of course.

Mae
11-20-2011, 02:22 AM
I don't think BMI is that big of deal in and of itself. But movement is important so a player can't be out of shape, strength is needed in today's tennis, and I think what most players forget is they need to have flexibility. I think it is that lack of flexibility that leads to so many players getting hurt.

Jankotipsaurus
11-21-2011, 02:57 PM
you keep saying that despite being dis-proven with other sporting examples.

here's 2 more: Wayne Rooney http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1349632/The-Rooneys-While-Wayne-fame-fortune-brother-John-following-dream-New-York.html

and Didier Drogba http://www.chelseafc.com/page/PlayerProfileDetail/0,,10268~28142,00.html

two of the best footballers on the planet
being dis-proven:) hehe you can find dozens of players but they will still be in 1% cause in Europe thousands of them playing football


Drogba wasnt overweight when he was in good shape, he had injury almost whole last year and that why he is almost always substitution now, not even close to be best footballer on the planet, not even close to be best in his team :)

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/18727/didier-drogba?cc=5739


Ronney is overweigt a little but he is just 1% exception, his genetics allows him to be beast

Haelfix
11-21-2011, 05:06 PM
This is very true. When I went to a physical trainer to improve my tennis, his basic demand was that I put on ten-fifteen kilos of muscle. He guaranteed that, coupled with the right training, this would work wonders for my movement around the court - and I had previously thought that being light was my best bet to cover the court. I haven't managed to put all of the muscle on yet, but everything he says seems to be holding up.

Of course, if you put too much muscle on your body will tire quicker, as those muscles have to be fed with oxygen and you have to carry a lot of weight around the court, which is also tough on the joints. You need to find a happy medium. A tennis player, generally speaking, shouldn't be as big as a bodybuilder (well, upper body anyway) and shouldn't be as skinny as a marathon runner. Murray's physique looks perfect for a tennis player, as does Tipsy in the picture posted above. Though everyone's biology is a bit different of course.

This.
It of course depends where you put on the weight too. Having a huge upper body does very little for a tennis player. It actually can increase the risk of injury. Having a strong core otoh, is always useful.

In terms of athletic performance, an NFL player like Reggie Bush would struggle on the tennis court. He has way too much muscle mass in the wrong areas, and it is more or less guarenteed that he'd be gassed after the first set.

Further, racquet head speed is sort of like punching power. Some amount of muscle is needed, but for the most part it is uncorrelated. Power comes from technique/cns+brain interaction, which is why you often see really skinny guys able to punch through a wall whereas the huge olympic lifter can only seem to push the bag around uselessly.

Ouragan
11-23-2011, 07:46 AM
Just look at the top rugby players. Healthy weight among them means over 100kg.

mark73
11-23-2011, 01:01 PM
It's body fat percentage that matters with athletes not BMI. Some athletes are so muscular like weightlifters (who have low body fat) that thire BMI is over 30. With athletes BMI is useless.

With the general public it gives a good estimate of a healthy weight but is not better than a body fat reading which after all is the what people try to reduce to get in better shape.

Hian-GOAT
11-23-2011, 04:09 PM
:o What a useless thread.

Fujee
11-23-2011, 05:28 PM
hahahaha tipsarevic overweight?

Naudio Spanlatine
11-23-2011, 05:58 PM
:bowdown: nalby THE GREAT overweight champion, who has mad skills on the court.......hoooooooooooooorrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa :bowdown:

Agrajag
11-23-2011, 07:50 PM
BMI is a surprisingly good health predictor for large populations.

As far as muscle mass goes, you might be amazed to realize that the greatest NATURAL bodybuilding champions in history only carried between 30-40 lbs. more muscle than some that has never trained before (depending on height). The average gym rat / lifter will have a really hard time adding even 15 lbs. of actual muscle. Just for reference, an additional 15 lbs. is what a fitness model would carry. There is not one single tennis player (with the possible exception of Tsonga) that has added that much muscle.

Most weight guys add is actally just fat. You may get stronger, but that doesn't necessarily mean that what you added is muscle.

But, nobody will ever believe this (even though its true).

I fully agree with you.