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The Nole Slam - Four slams in a row for Novak?

Sri
11-17-2011, 11:52 AM
Possible?

I think yes, highly possible. He needs to stay fit. If it means pulling out or tanking matches in the WTF, so be it. He can learn from and not repeat Rafa's mistakes.

Come 2012, Australian Open is his favorite slam. He has a great record over there. If he does it, he has one non-debatable record that clearly surpasses Fed & Rafa.

Sri
11-17-2011, 11:58 AM
Oh wait, he needs to win RG as well. #me #fail :lol:

Rodre Fegassi
11-17-2011, 12:08 PM
he could win RG tho.

The 2 players who are totally unpredictable in tennis are Nadal and Djokovic. Every other player you can write off totally. Maybe except Federer.

We CAN predict that those 2 will easily be in the finals of every Grand Slam until the end of 2016, but we can't predict who out of Rafa or Nole will win those Grand-Slam finals. Rafa might turn things around again.

Sham Kay
11-17-2011, 01:00 PM
Unlikely, I see a repeat of 2010 for Novak. See? It's easy to downplay a player's future without outright trashing them. Same result of course.

swisht4u
11-17-2011, 01:04 PM
Possible, I have him the favorite in any slam.
Fed's the only one who can stop him anywhere.

But he has to be healthy and somewhat rested.

Djokovic is the first guy who's favored everywhere since.... ??

Apemant
11-17-2011, 01:22 PM
Djokovic is the first guy who's favored everywhere since.... ??

... since the homogenization of the surfaces took place.

Let's face it, Novak plays the same game regardless of the surface; there is no need for transition... there IS no transition.

I fail to see what is weird about someone being favourite on all surfaces, if all surfaces play very similarly and his style of playing is thus effective on all surfaces.

swisht4u
11-17-2011, 01:25 PM
... since the homogenization of the surfaces took place.

Let's face it, Novak plays the same game regardless of the surface; there is no need for transition... there IS no transition.

I fail to see what is weird about someone being favourite on all surfaces, if all surfaces play very similarly and his style of playing is thus effective on all surfaces.

You have a point but that's what we have. It's up to the players to adjust.

abraxas21
11-17-2011, 01:31 PM
:lol:

no

Egreen
11-17-2011, 01:43 PM
Nope.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-17-2011, 01:55 PM
possible

i dont think anyone has a chance against nole at the AO

unless federer turns into super awesome 2005-2006 federer

Rodre Fegassi
11-17-2011, 01:56 PM
Possible, I have him the favorite in any slam.
Fed's the only one who can stop him anywhere.

But he has to be healthy and somewhat rested.

Djokovic is the first guy who's favored everywhere since.... ??

No, Nadal is the only guy who can stop him anywhere.

Djoker 2.0 was probably unsustainable.

Sunset of Age
11-17-2011, 02:15 PM
5 years ago on MTF: "Federer will surely pick up 20 GS titles!"
2 years ago on MTF: "Nadal will surely pass Federer's GS record and win the Career Golden Slam!"

And now it's Djokovic' turn to get outrages expectations from his fans... one can only wonder, who's next? Murray? (oh, wait... :p)
Be careful with these kind of expectations/predictions. Things change FAST in tennis.

Saberq
11-17-2011, 02:36 PM
5 years ago on MTF: "Federer will surely pick up 20 GS titles!"
2 years ago on MTF: "Nadal will surely pass Federer's GS record and win the Career Golden Slam!"

And now it's Djokovic' turn to get outrages expectations from his fans... one can only wonder, who's next? Murray? (oh, wait... :p)
Be careful with these kind of expectations/predictions. Things change FAST in tennis.

you are right and you opinion would hold much more value if you weren't some blind fangirl that loves both Fed and Nadal....

Sunset of Age
11-17-2011, 02:43 PM
you are right and you opinion would hold much more value if you weren't some blind fangirl that loves both Fed and Nadal....

Sure man, I know that fact totally disqualifies me - to Noletards. :spit:
Try again. :wavey:

Matchu
11-17-2011, 02:58 PM
5 years ago on MTF: "Federer will surely pick up 20 GS titles!"
2 years ago on MTF: "Nadal will surely pass Federer's GS record and win the Career Golden Slam!"

And now it's Djokovic' turn to get outrages expectations from his fans... one can only wonder, who's next? Murray? (oh, wait... :p)
Be careful with these kind of expectations/predictions. Things change FAST in tennis.

It would be very unlikely Federer will win another 4 slams in his career so that is out the window but he did surpass Sampras' record and that is all that really matters right now. Five years ago most people would say Federer will never win RG but he did. Nadal is certainly capable of winning more slams, seven might be a bit of an ask but he has already got the career golden slam so he is half way there. Djokovic will be the favorite coming into the 2012 AO and if he can come into RG with three slams under his belt he will get the chance at the Grand Slam, something Nadal and Federer have not been able to complete. Out of all the slams you could probably say Clay is the most predictable with Nadal, Djokovic and Federer seemingly the only possible winners for at least another 2 years. Hard and Grass are completely different as we have seen with the likes of Tomic coming up who are only going to get better.

swisht4u
11-17-2011, 03:00 PM
No, Nadal is the only guy who can stop him anywhere.

Djoker 2.0 was probably unsustainable.

Nadal will win one eventually but Fed has done better this past year as he matches up better than Nadal.

Djokovic doesn't have to sustain his top level, he has a little leeway where he can still win.
It's not his skill that is his biggest concern, it's staying away from injury.

janko05
11-17-2011, 03:07 PM
Half a way there but still a long distance
AJDE :rocker2:

Jankotipsaurus
11-17-2011, 03:14 PM
... since the homogenization of the surfaces took place.

Let's face it, Novak plays the same game regardless of the surface; there is no need for transition... there IS no transition.

I fail to see what is weird about someone being favourite on all surfaces, if all surfaces play very similarly and his style of playing is thus effective on all surfaces.

:haha::haha::haha:

MEGA FAIL

...since He has the physical abilities that allow him to play that well and thats why his style og playing is so effective on every surface...who have ever got these abilities, noone or only Nadal :wavey: ...or you would have seen Roddick wins clay and Almagro hard court events these days :rolls:

these Crotards are clueless as always, mate you can change your flag on profile how many times you want :)

funny thing that they see every success of Nole as their personal failure and thats why they're always making these kind of lame excuses:)

abraxas21
11-17-2011, 03:18 PM
:haha::haha::haha:

MEGA FAIL

...since He has the physical abilities that allow him to play that well and thats why his style og playing is so effective on every surface...who have ever got these abilities, noone or only Nadal :wavey: ...or you would have seen Roddick wins clay and Almagro hard court events these days :rolls:

these Crotards are clueless as always, mate you can change your flag on profile how many times you want :)

funny thing that they see every success of Nole as their personal failure and thats why they're always making these kind of lame excuses:)

great, a new serbian clown on MTF

MIMIC
11-17-2011, 03:18 PM
Meh, who knows. He was supposed to win the French but look what happened. Nadal was supposed to win 4 in a row this year and look what happened in Australia: Ferrer took him out in straights.

Nothing written in stone and he could be upset at Australia and win the French, or vice versa.

Vida
11-17-2011, 03:38 PM
Meh, who knows. He was supposed to win the French but look what happened. Nadal was supposed to win 4 in a row this year and look what happened in Australia: Ferrer took him out in straights.

Nothing written in stone and he could be upset at Australia and win the French, or vice versa.

true. but what if?

Apemant
11-17-2011, 03:43 PM
:haha::haha::haha:

MEGA FAIL

...since He has the physical abilities that allow him to play that well and thats why his style og playing is so effective on every surface...who have ever got these abilities, noone or only Nadal :wavey: ...or you would have seen Roddick wins clay and Almagro hard court events these days :rolls:

these Crotards are clueless as always, mate you can change your flag on profile how many times you want :)

funny thing that they see every success of Nole as their personal failure and thats why they're always making these kind of lame excuses:)

Geez, that's why I changed my flag, so I don't attract idiots like you. :devil:

Obviously you noticed me on some other forums, genius. Don't make this a nationalistic thing, it has nothing to do with it.

Or rather, do whatever you want, see if I care. :wavey:


@topic: Novak has great physical attributes and is strong on both wings, which makes him deadly from the baseline. However, it wouldn't allow him to dominate all surfaces, if the surfaces weren't homogenized as they are. Only 'tards can't see something that obvious.

nole_no1
11-17-2011, 03:47 PM
Of course it's possible
Nole would've won the French Open if Federer wouldn't have played one of the best matches in the last 2-3 years

Sham Kay
11-17-2011, 03:54 PM
On the bright side, if Djokovic failed to win Aussie and Wimbledon the "Bleh Pe-eww" style temporary Djokertards will have left the building by Roland Garros. Instantly recognisable from a single post - a Serbian flag combined with a join date around or after February 2011 and a barely legible statement of intent to become his personal ass licker.

zlaja777
11-17-2011, 04:22 PM
"Surface homogenization" ? Please stop using that stupid MTF term. I know that it can sound smart to some people but it's not and it's totally clueless. As for Djokovic, he was always equally good on all surfaces.

Sophocles
11-17-2011, 04:38 PM
Murray will take him down at the A.O. You heard it here first.

BIGMARAT
11-17-2011, 04:51 PM
Murray will take him down at the A.O. You heard it here first.

Nope, I heard this tons of times already ang still not happening.

BIGMARAT
11-17-2011, 04:53 PM
Nole is on his way for greatness, I see no-one stopping him.
I think Nole would be ready this time on clay against anyone, even Rafa.

nole_no1
11-17-2011, 05:07 PM
Nole is on his way for greatness, I see no-one stopping him.
I think Nole would be ready this time on clay against anyone, even Rafa.

I think there is already no doubt about this
He proved last year he can beat Nadal on every surface

Apemant
11-17-2011, 05:11 PM
"Surface homogenization" ? Please stop using that stupid MTF term. I know that it can sound smart to some people but it's not and it's totally clueless. As for Djokovic, he was always equally good on all surfaces.

Instead of replying to this, I'm much more interested in the name of the girl in your avatar. Care to share it? :devil:

Apemant
11-17-2011, 05:18 PM
I think there is already no doubt about this
He proved last year he can beat Nadal on every surface

Much more importantly, he proved he can beat him on the biggest of stages: GS finals.

Despite the fact that Nadal looked extremely fired up to beat him. I'm kinda convinced Fed would fold rather meekly if Nadal threw himself on him, like he did on Novak in the USO final. :shrug:

Usually when Nadal play Federer, he doesn't look as pumped up; often it looks as if he's bored and just waiting for Federer to defeat himself. But in the USO he threw a kitchen sink at Novak and still couldn't make it more than a tiebreak.

Jaz
11-17-2011, 05:21 PM
I get the feeling that he might start to crumble soon.

Apemant
11-17-2011, 05:24 PM
I get the feeling that he might start to crumble soon.

There's no way to tell.

It's true that he managed it to #1, which was his goal since the early childhood. (Wasn't even afraid to admit it even when he was a teenager, barely breaking into top 100).

Now how's he going to handle the pressure of being the one everyone wants to beat as a trophy, remains to be seen.

arm
11-17-2011, 05:31 PM
First time I read the title I read "The Nole Spam" and was far more excited about the thread than I am now. :rolls:

Sapeod
11-17-2011, 05:39 PM
I get the feeling that he might start to crumble soon.
Hopefully.

Saberq
11-17-2011, 05:40 PM
Hopefully.

only way Murray might win something....wait he will fail even if that happens

Everko
11-17-2011, 05:49 PM
Murray will take him down at the A.O. You heard it here first.

:haha:, run long enough and you might pass an elephant. But in this case it never happens.

nole_no1
11-17-2011, 05:50 PM
only way Murray might win something....wait he will fail even if that happens

Exactly what i wanted to say :lol:

Time Violation
11-17-2011, 06:12 PM
5 years ago on MTF: "Federer will surely pick up 20 GS titles!"
2 years ago on MTF: "Nadal will surely pass Federer's GS record and win the Career Golden Slam!"

And now it's Djokovic' turn to get outrages expectations from his fans... one can only wonder, who's next? Murray? (oh, wait... :p)
Be careful with these kind of expectations/predictions. Things change FAST in tennis.

Spot on. :) Only a year ago a lot of people would laugh at the thought Novak wins 3 more GS in his career, let alone in a year, and Wimbledon was out of the question even for hard core Nole supporters. Now he's expected to win everything till retirement. Similar like Tignor said in his article, "An inch one way and Federer is “surging”; an inch the other way and Federer is “aging.”

EliSter
11-17-2011, 06:15 PM
First time I read the title I read "The Nole Spam" and was far more excited about the thread than I am now. :rolls:

I red it same :o

Amukinado
11-17-2011, 06:26 PM
First time I read the title I read "The Nole Spam" and was far more excited about the thread than I am now. :rolls:

well... your assumption turned out to be kind of right. :p

legolandbridge
11-17-2011, 06:31 PM
Possible, yes. Probable, no.
I mean, the guy never made the FO final, his shoulder is sore and winning two Slams is no easy feat.

MatchFederer
11-17-2011, 06:40 PM
He has a shot but I don't think he'll make it.

Ben.
11-17-2011, 06:40 PM
On the bright side, if Djokovic failed to win Aussie and Wimbledon the "Bleh Pe-eww" style temporary Djokertards will have left the building by Roland Garros. Instantly recognisable from a single post - a Serbian flag combined with a join date around or after February 2011 and a barely legible statement of intent to become his personal ass licker.

:worship: We can only hope.

abraxas21
11-17-2011, 07:06 PM
"Surface homogenization" ? Please stop using that stupid MTF term. I know that it can sound smart to some people but it's not and it's totally clueless. As for Djokovic, he was always equally good on all surfaces.

sure, i mean, it's not like clay hasnt been speed up and hardcourts/grass slowed down...

Saberq
11-17-2011, 07:33 PM
sure, i mean, it's not like clay hasnt been speed up and hardcourts/grass slowed down...

let's say all surfaces are the same speed...it's still different to play on grass than on clay

Mountaindewslave
11-17-2011, 07:46 PM
Possible, I have him the favorite in any slam.
Fed's the only one who can stop him anywhere.

But he has to be healthy and somewhat rested.

Djokovic is the first guy who's favored everywhere since.... ??

you are nuts to say that Djokovic is favored on clay at all, particularly at Roland Garros. one good season on a surface does not make you a natural favorite particular when you didn't win the most important title on that surface. you have no idea what would have happened if Nadal and Djokovic had met at the Roland Garros final. he is not favorite there and it is foolish to say anyone other than Rafael Nadal is.

Mountaindewslave
11-17-2011, 07:51 PM
Of course it's possible
Nole would've won the French Open if Federer wouldn't have played one of the best matches in the last 2-3 years

please :facepalm:, Djokovic was not that great for the first few sets. Federer played a fantastic match but let's not pretend that Djokovic was a lock to win the tournament if he somehow won that match

Mountaindewslave
11-17-2011, 07:53 PM
"Surface homogenization" ? Please stop using that stupid MTF term. I know that it can sound smart to some people but it's not and it's totally clueless. As for Djokovic, he was always equally good on all surfaces.

what? Djokovic is a much better hard court player than grass or clay. this has been and will not change. one season of some success on the two surfaces does not make him a favorite on them nor does it mean he is anywhere near as good on them as hard court. you are truly not thinking to say otherwise. Grass plays fast at times which does not suit him all too well and although he can play great on clay obviously he does not favor it as much as slow hard court.

this is ridiculous and surface homogenization of course plays a huge role since his game would not work well at all on fast courts

Saberq
11-17-2011, 07:56 PM
you are nuts to say that Djokovic is favored on clay at all, particularly at Roland Garros. one good season on a surface does not make you a natural favorite particular when you didn't win the most important title on that surface. you have no idea what would have happened if Nadal and Djokovic had met at the Roland Garros final. he is not favorite there and it is foolish to say anyone other than Rafael Nadal is.

Djokovic IS a NATURAL claycourter given that he learned to play tennis on clay.....once his stamina was improved Nadal had no chance.....IMO Nadal has the least % of chances against Novak on clay

Mountaindewslave
11-17-2011, 08:03 PM
Djokovic IS a NATURAL claycourter given that he learned to play tennis on clay.....once his stamina was improved Nadal had no chance.....IMO Nadal has the least % of chances against Novak on clay

it's not about what he starting playing on or grew up on, that does not make you a 'natural' on it. his game naturally suits slow hard court better than clay OR grass. on clay the ball slows down so much that his athleticism is not as effective as it is on slow hardcourt which clearly is the faster surface, because opponents with less athleticism have extra time. and grass is WAY too fast for him to dominate; the perfect medium for him is slow hard.

Novak Djokovic does not have a purely great clay court game and the fact that he won a GS on slow hard (AO 2008) before he apparently got into better shape proves it. if he wins Roland Garros in 2012 I will apologize but I doubt he will, at this point Andy Murray is as good clay court player.

one good season on clay and a mental edge owithNadal coming into play, does not make someone a great clay court player. if he wins Roland Garros we'll talk.

Sham Kay
11-17-2011, 08:12 PM
I get the feeling that he might start to crumble soon.
Djokovic is already starting to crumble.. all that's left is to bung him in the oven for 20 minutes at 200 degrees, leave to set till Australian Open and there you have it, Djoko crumble pie.. serve piping hot with a side order of bagels.

Dougie
11-17-2011, 08:22 PM
it's not about what he starting playing on or grew up on, that does not make you a 'natural' on it. his game naturally suits slow hard court better than clay OR grass. on clay the ball slows down so much that his athleticism is not as effective as it is on slow hardcourt which clearly is the faster surface, because opponents with less athleticism have extra time. and grass is WAY too fast for him to dominate; the perfect medium for him is slow hard.

Novak Djokovic does not have a purely great clay court game and the fact that he won a GS on slow hard (AO 2008) before he apparently got into better shape proves it. if he wins Roland Garros in 2012 I will apologize but I doubt he will, at this point Andy Murray is as good clay court player.

one good season on clay and a mental edge owithNadal coming into play, does not make someone a great clay court player. if he wins Roland Garros we'll talk.

He won everything else but RG on clay this year, beating Nadal, what, 2-3 times? I agree he´s still not the favorite at RG, in a best of 5 match, but saying he is not a great clay court player is just stupid.

Saberq
11-17-2011, 08:36 PM
it's not about what he starting playing on or grew up on, that does not make you a 'natural' on it. his game naturally suits slow hard court better than clay OR grass. on clay the ball slows down so much that his athleticism is not as effective as it is on slow hardcourt which clearly is the faster surface, because opponents with less athleticism have extra time. and grass is WAY too fast for him to dominate; the perfect medium for him is slow hard.

Novak Djokovic does not have a purely great clay court game and the fact that he won a GS on slow hard (AO 2008) before he apparently got into better shape proves it. if he wins Roland Garros in 2012 I will apologize but I doubt he will, at this point Andy Murray is as good clay court player.

one good season on clay and a mental edge owithNadal coming into play, does not make someone a great clay court player. if he wins Roland Garros we'll talk.

you are a blind hater and a frontrunner for ACC......just this statement proves how little you know about tennis ...

MuzzahLovah
11-17-2011, 08:41 PM
Djoko will have a slump for the rest of the hardcourt season, as another player who shall remain nameless to guard against jinxing will make a break through. But, with the cyclical nature of tennis he will rise like a clay phoenix and crush Nadal in Paris.

Clashcityrocker
11-17-2011, 08:42 PM
no

Nole fan
11-17-2011, 09:20 PM
Very doable, actually I'd bet all my money that he will. :)

swisht4u
11-17-2011, 09:23 PM
you are nuts to say that Djokovic is favored on clay at all, particularly at Roland Garros. one good season on a surface does not make you a natural favorite particular when you didn't win the most important title on that surface. you have no idea what would have happened if Nadal and Djokovic had met at the Roland Garros final. he is not favorite there and it is foolish to say anyone other than Rafael Nadal is.

If Nadal meets Djokovic at RG it'll be 5 sets, a big disadvantage for Nadal.
Clay takes plenty of endurance.
Djokovic hasn't lost a set on clay to Nadal this year either.
It doesn't matter where they meet, Djokovic has Nadal's number for now.

I have Djokovic as a favorite anywhere over Nadal and the rest of the field except Fed at RG where it's even.

What's the big deal? This is the new reality now.

Getta
11-17-2011, 09:28 PM
Novak is an unbelievable player, so it's possible

just look at Roger and Rafa

eduggs
11-17-2011, 10:05 PM
he could win RG tho.

The 2 players who are totally unpredictable in tennis are Nadal and Djokovic. Every other player you can write off totally. Maybe except Federer.

We CAN predict that those 2 will easily be in the finals of every Grand Slam until the end of 2016, but we can't predict who out of Rafa or Nole will win those Grand-Slam finals. Rafa might turn things around again.

Sarcasm? If not, dumbest post ever. We can't even be sure Rafa or Novak will ever be in another GS final. Sure it's very likely, but not a guarantee. And 20 straight slam finals made easily? WTF is wrong with you? They sometimes make it look easy but it's definitely not. Many players can beat them on a particular day.

eduggs
11-17-2011, 10:07 PM
People speak with way too much certainty about a sport that is highly unpredictable. Games, sets, and matches are won and lost based on a few critical points which could go either way. Luck alone could turn a match. Even the best players can have a terrible day, for so many different reasons.

zlaja777
11-17-2011, 10:48 PM
what? Djokovic is a much better hard court player than grass or clay. this has been and will not change. one season of some success on the two surfaces does not make him a favorite on them nor does it mean he is anywhere near as good on them as hard court. you are truly not thinking to say otherwise. Grass plays fast at times which does not suit him all too well and although he can play great on clay obviously he does not favor it as much as slow hard court.

this is ridiculous and surface homogenization of course plays a huge role since his game would not work well at all on fast courts
Nonsense. The most recent attempt from some (Federer) fans to underestimate Djokovic success in 2011.

Name me some current players who are better than Djokovic in "all surface player" category?

MIMIC
11-18-2011, 02:17 AM
please :facepalm:, Djokovic was not that great for the first few sets. Federer played a fantastic match but let's not pretend that Djokovic was a lock to win the tournament if he somehow won that match

2011 RG Final: Djokovic def. Nadal 6-2, 6-4, 6-1 :rocker2:

If Djokovic won that match, I firmly believe that he would have slaughtered Nadal.

Mountaindewslave
11-18-2011, 03:10 AM
He won everything else but RG on clay this year, beating Nadal, what, 2-3 times? I agree he´s still not the favorite at RG, in a best of 5 match, but saying he is not a great clay court player is just stupid.

I never said he was a bad clay court player so YOU are just stupid. I said he was a much better hard court player than anything else, esspecially slow hard court. if you don't see that then you are delusional. He didn't win Monte Carlo so you are also wrong. he beat Nadal twice and Nadal certainly was not at his best.

no one stated Djokovic is a bad clay court player but for someone to state that he is the favorite for RG next season is extremely foolish given he has never won the title nor reached the final and after being at the top of the tour for years.... it's really silly anyway. I wasn't speaking to you and you misquoted me so I do not comprehend why you bothered at all

Mountaindewslave
11-18-2011, 03:13 AM
you are a blind hater and a frontrunner for ACC......just this statement proves how little you know about tennis ...

I am not a blind hater, I have nothing truly against Djokovic but it is impossible not comment on the freakish things you die hard fans of his say. when you say something like "Djokovic is a lock to dominate on clay" or "Djokovic is huge favorite at RG" it is just silly and of course I am going to correct such silly assertions.

and the truth is Murray is just as good clay court player as Djokovic at this point... obviously you did not catch their match in Rome this season where Murray had the match on his racket at one point

shiaben
11-18-2011, 03:15 AM
Unless he decides to tank out of all the Master series shields, possibly sacrifice his #1 ranking to Nadal, enter the slams fresh from 2nd or 3rd round defeats at most of those small tournaments, then yes, he can easily take the 4 if he puts his mind to it. But unfortunately that's not the case, he treats each tournament seriously, so 3 would still be a reach, and 2 would be a grab.

Mountaindewslave
11-18-2011, 03:22 AM
Nonsense. The most recent attempt from some (Federer) fans to underestimate Djokovic success in 2011.

Name me some current players who are better than Djokovic in "all surface player" category?

did you seriously miss what I said. Djokovic is not an all surface player because there is only one surface now. it is not to demean Djokovic, but this exxageration of giving him credit has gone to far this year. He is extremely talented but the fact that his gamestyle of grinding out resulted in a win at Wimbledon says less about him and more about what conditions are like on the tour today.

Mountaindewslave
11-18-2011, 03:25 AM
If Nadal meets Djokovic at RG it'll be 5 sets, a big disadvantage for Nadal.
Clay takes plenty of endurance.
Djokovic hasn't lost a set on clay to Nadal this year either.
It doesn't matter where they meet, Djokovic has Nadal's number for now.

I have Djokovic as a favorite anywhere over Nadal and the rest of the field except Fed at RG where it's even.

What's the big deal? This is the new reality now.

HAHA you're assuming that Nadal does not improve at all ( he did not play as well as he has in the past on clay in 2011, fact) and that DJokovic remains phenominal which appears to be doubtful given his recent displays in matches and questions regarding injury.

a new season is a fresh start so stop living in the past. tennis changes every day.

Mountaindewslave
11-18-2011, 03:28 AM
2011 RG Final: Djokovic def. Nadal 6-2, 6-4, 6-1 :rocker2:

If Djokovic won that match, I firmly believe that he would have slaughtered Nadal.

so you're saying if Nadal beats Federer in 4 sets, whom beat DJokovic in 4 sets, then Djokovic would have beaten Nadal in 3 sets?

it's his favorite surface that would never have happened. this is a joke and I can't take you seriously. all of you are in for a wake up call at Roland Garros 2012 if you really think that Novak is so great on clay. for that matter I think many of you may be in for a surprise throughout the year, expecting him to sweep the whole field again. It won't happen.

shiaben
11-18-2011, 03:38 AM
Novak still needs to do homework on his clay performance. I remember he got outplayed by Kolschreiber, and outlasted by Melzer. The former scares me more than the latter. But in addition to that, it's not going to be an easy ride. Federer was able to defeat Djokovic, because Roland Garros is the slowest surface, it allows Federer to retrieve Djokovic's shots. Now imagine Nadal? The guy is MUCH quicker than Federer, meaning, he'll even put MORE balls into play. So if Djokovic's serve falls short, he's going to be in for a real nightmare. Nadal just needs to get his serve ready before then, once he has that, he's good to go, as for Djokovic, he'll need to somehow miraculously hit Nadal off the court which is almost impossible (like we saw what happened to Federer who played remarkable this year in the final against him). I think it will be an awesome match. I think that's the only match where both guys can take it to 5.

stewietennis
11-18-2011, 03:42 AM
I think 2011 was Novak's career year just like J-Mac in 1984 and Fed in 2005; and just as those other two, I believe Novak will cool down a bit next year. He might sacrifice a couple of masters shields or another major to get that RG title.

guga2120
11-18-2011, 03:51 AM
It all depends on his health, which by then most likely be fine. Since Nole, is apparently immune to heat now, for somebody to take 3 sets off him on slow hardcourt like that, it will take something crazy. Most likely it will be #4 in a row.

swisht4u
11-18-2011, 05:25 AM
HAHA you're assuming that Nadal does not improve at all ( he did not play as well as he has in the past on clay in 2011, fact) and that DJokovic remains phenominal which appears to be doubtful given his recent displays in matches and questions regarding injury.

a new season is a fresh start so stop living in the past. tennis changes every day.

There's no guarantees, all posters know that.

I'm just saying I would favor Djokovic and nothing more than that.
Nadal can improve a few things and no doubt he'll try but right now he hasn't done it.

People will have different favorites and I wouldn't have it any other way. :cool:

Shinoj
11-18-2011, 06:56 AM
Novak Djokovic does not have a purely great clay court game and the fact that he won a GS on slow hard (AO 2008) before he apparently got into better shape proves it. if he wins Roland Garros in 2012 I will apologize but I doubt he will, at this point Andy Murray is as good clay court player.

one good season on clay and a mental edge owithNadal coming into play, does not make someone a great clay court player. if he wins Roland Garros we'll talk.


Your statement does have great paradox. If one has a very good clay court season and he is beating Rafael Nadal, you can bet your Farmhouse in US that He is a very good clay court player and better than Andy Murray.

paseo
11-18-2011, 07:26 AM
Don't really want this to happen, but there's no denying the probability of it happening.

doomsday
11-18-2011, 08:44 AM
so you're saying if Nadal beats Federer in 4 sets, whom beat DJokovic in 4 sets, then Djokovic would have beaten Nadal in 3 sets?

it's his favorite surface that would never have happened. this is a joke and I can't take you seriously. all of you are in for a wake up call at Roland Garros 2012 if you really think that Novak is so great on clay. for that matter I think many of you may be in for a surprise throughout the year, expecting him to sweep the whole field again. It won't happen.

Matchup thing dude, we clearly saw this year that Djoko was a nightmare for Nadal, a nightmare that Federer will never be. Heck, even Federer admitted helping Nadal a lil bit by beating Djoko in the SF.

Rodre Fegassi
11-18-2011, 10:32 AM
EDIT - posted in wrong thread

Start da Game
11-18-2011, 01:50 PM
i very much doubt if he gets fit by australian open and just forget about the french open......so no, the nole dlam is not on......

Saberq
11-18-2011, 02:10 PM
i very much doubt if he gets fit by australian open and just forget about the french open......so no, the nole dlam is not on......

he is fit for WTF let alone for AO......he only needs to make the final of the FO to have a shot at it.....Nadal cant beat him anymore on slow surface

Start da Game
11-18-2011, 02:18 PM
he is fit for WTF let alone for AO......he only needs to make the final of the FO to have a shot at it.....Nadal cant beat him anymore on slow surface

dynamics at the top change a little in 2012......djokovic cannot repeat 2011 no matter what......i am not sure if he recovered from the shoulder injury, according to me he pushed it a little too much by playing that swiss tournament and paris......

making a slam final next year won't be as easy as this year......plus nadal picks it up a little in 2012.....we have outsiders like del potro who are waiting for their turn......i suggest nole fans better keep an eye on d pot in slams......

all in all we will wait and see what happens at the AO first......

Egreen
11-18-2011, 02:19 PM
i very much doubt if he gets fit by australian open and just forget about the french open......so no, the nole dlam is not on......

He seems to be fit atm.


dynamics at the top change a little in 2012......djokovic cannot repeat 2011 no matter what......i am not sure if he recovered from the shoulder injury, according to me he pushed it a little too much by playing that swiss tournament and paris......

making a slam final next year won't be as easy as this year......plus nadal picks it up a little in 2012.....we have outsiders like del potro who are waiting for their turn......i suggest nole fans better keep an eye on d pot in slams......

all in all we will wait and see what happens at the AO first......

I think each of the top 4 players wins a slam in 2012.

Saberq
11-18-2011, 02:45 PM
dynamics at the top change a little in 2012......djokovic cannot repeat 2011 no matter what......i am not sure if he recovered from the shoulder injury, according to me he pushed it a little too much by playing that swiss tournament and paris......

making a slam final next year won't be as easy as this year......plus nadal picks it up a little in 2012.....we have outsiders like del potro who are waiting for their turn......i suggest nole fans better keep an eye on d pot in slams......

all in all we will wait and see what happens at the AO first......

Del Potro cant win shit and you know it .....Novak wont repeat 2011 next year of course but just because you want Nadal to pick it up next year doesnt mean he will ...Second making a Slam final for Novak was easy this year??????give me a break...he played Fed,Tsonga,Fed to make the final....Also Nadal is on the other side of the draw and Novak at his best will kill everyone in his half....

Start da Game
11-18-2011, 03:14 PM
that "killing" might not be as easy next year......he has expended a lot of physical and mental reserves this year......some of his work to win titles was absolutely robotic......the fact that the era wasn't a weak one and the fact that his game is not light, he had to dig really deep to win 10 titles or something......

i sense that he has gone a little off the boil already and will struggle to pick it up right from get go next year......main reason for his early season super success this year was, he was not the hunted man out there and that enabled him to pick it up like crazy before everybody else even started settling in......next year will be a different story, he won't be physically ready for most of the early season events......nadal gets away with such brutal seasons because he is a unique specimen......fed got away with big seasons because of ultra weak era plus his game is ultra light......

even if djokovic starts fresh at AO, fatigue will kick in sometime or the other......he has to win the AO to keep his spirits up or it could all go wrong very soon.......

Shinoj
11-18-2011, 03:24 PM
that "killing" might not be as easy next year......he has expended a lot of physical and mental reserves this year......some of his work to win titles was absolutely robotic......the fact that the era wasn't a weak one and the fact that his game is not light, he had to dig really deep to win 10 titles or something......

i sense that he has gone a little off the boil already and will struggle to pick it up right from get go next year......main reason for his early season super success this year was, he was not the hunted man out there and that enabled him to pick it up like crazy before everybody else even started settling in......next year will be a different story, he won't be physically ready for most of the early season events......nadal gets away with such brutal seasons because he is a unique specimen......fed got away with big seasons because of ultra weak era plus his game is ultra light......

even if djokovic starts fresh at AO, fatigue will kick in sometime or the other......he has to win the AO to keep his spirits up or it could all go wrong very soon.......


Bollocks.

Nadal has been playing a similar game for years. Nothing has happened to him

Saberq
11-18-2011, 03:49 PM
Bollocks.

Nadal has been playing a similar game for years. Nothing has happened to him

this

arm
11-18-2011, 03:54 PM
Novak doesn't need to win AO in order to save his season. RG 2011 anyone? First loss of the season, in the second GS of the year. Everyone was thinking that it was going to go down after that. What happens next? He wins Wimby. The loss didn't affect him at all.

Those of you who think that he needs a confidence boost in AO in order to have a good season are wrong. 2011 was enough of a confidence boost for him, he now knows that he can win slams.

Rodre Fegassi
11-18-2011, 04:52 PM
Novak doesn't need to win AO in order to save his season. RG 2011 anyone? First loss of the season, in the second GS of the year. Everyone was thinking that it was going to go down after that. What happens next? He wins Wimby. The loss didn't affect him at all.

Those of you who think that he needs a confidence boost in AO in order to have a good season are wrong. 2011 was enough of a confidence boost for him, he now knows that he can win slams.

He didn't know it when he won his 1st slam in '08?

arm
11-18-2011, 05:52 PM
He didn't know it when he won his 1st slam in '08?

He has admitted many times that during 2009 and 2010 he doubted himself a lot, and didn't quite believe he could consistently beat Rafa and Roger in Grand Slams.

Consistently being the key word.

stewietennis
11-18-2011, 09:29 PM
......he only needs to make the final of the FO to have a shot at it.....

This is the case for anyone at any GS Final, not just Novak at RG.

Sunset of Age
11-18-2011, 09:39 PM
Novak doesn't need to win AO in order to save his season. RG 2011 anyone? First loss of the season, in the second GS of the year. Everyone was thinking that it was going to go down after that. What happens next? He wins Wimby. The loss didn't affect him at all.

Those of you who think that he needs a confidence boost in AO in order to have a good season are wrong. 2011 was enough of a confidence boost for him, he now knows that he can win slams.

Words of reason.
Djokovic just already had a season of which about everyone can only dream off, everyone meaning about everyone who's been playing tennis since multiple decades! And now he should 'save his season' by winning AO 2012? Too funny.

cardio
11-19-2011, 09:19 AM
I think 2011 was Novak's career year just like J-Mac in 1984 and Fed in 2005; and just as those other two, I believe Novak will cool down a bit next year. He might sacrifice a couple of masters shields or another major to get that RG title.

Fed didnt cool down at all in 2006 : 3 slams, RG final,4 Masters and WTF . But Federer is exception, people make common mistake thinking : Djoko had a great year, he is gonna continue like this at least 3-4 seasons in a row. Most likely he cant and he wont.

Mac after stellar 1984 didnt win a slam and he was 25 y.o.. only year older than Djoko now. Wilander after stellar year 1988 didnt win a slam and he was 24.y.o. Nadal after brilliant 2010 couldnt continue in same pace either .

Comparing Djoko (or any other player) to Fed and saying : if Fed could do it, why cant Novak ? is just plain wrong approach. Fed has (super)natural ability to play full schedule and stay injury-free.He never looks dead tired or exhausted on court. What is his secret, we dont know, but whatever it is, others dont have it. He is just big exception of the rule.

Perhaps Djoko´s success will not end so suddenly like Mac`s or Wilanders, but to expect that he wins another 3 slams on even all 4 next year is not realistic.I think he cools down a LOT, even 1 slam would be great for him, most likely on hardcourt.

Nole fan
11-19-2011, 01:59 PM
Fed didnt cool down at all in 2006 : 3 slams, RG final,4 Masters and WTF . But Federer is exception, people make common mistake thinking : Djoko had a great year, he is gonna continue like this at least 3-4 seasons in a row. Most likely he cant and he wont.

Mac after stellar 1984 didnt win a slam and he was 25 y.o.. only year older than Djoko now. Wilander after stellar year 1988 didnt win a slam and he was 24.y.o. Nadal after brilliant 2010 couldnt continue in same pace either .

Comparing Djoko (or any other player) to Fed and saying : if Fed could do it, why cant Novak ? is just plain wrong approach. Fed has (super)natural ability to play full schedule and stay injury-free.He never looks dead tired or exhausted on court. What is his secret, we dont know, but whatever it is, others dont have it. He is just big exception of the rule.

Perhaps Djoko´s success will not end so suddenly like Mac`s or Wilanders, but to expect that he wins another 3 slams on even all 4 next year is not realistic.I think he cools down a LOT, even 1 slam would be great for him, most likely on hardcourt.

Of course it's not realistic to expect that from anyone. But to say that he will make a McEnroe's? No way, McEnroe had been winning many slams before his great season, he wasn't peaking then. He already had peaked. But Nole has just started peaking now, that's the difference in my opinion. Of course, I don't think anyone expects the ruthless dominance of 2011, but I'm pretty sure he's going to win more slams in the next 3-5 years at least.

cardio
11-19-2011, 02:53 PM
Of course it's not realistic to expect that from anyone. But to say that he will make a McEnroe's? No way, McEnroe had been winning many slams before his great season, he wasn't peaking then. He already had peaked. But Nole has just started peaking now, that's the difference in my opinion. Of course, I don't think anyone expects the ruthless dominance of 2011, but I'm pretty sure he's going to win more slams in the next 3-5 years at least.

I meant 1 slam in next year,"coming back to normal year", not overall. Of course he can win even 3 - 4 more until his career ends, if he can stay healthy that is .Usually decline starts at 28, he has 3-4 peak years left.But nothing is guaranteed, seems like there is very strong "resistance level" at 8 slams, only very few can break it. In fact in Open Era only Fed, Sampras,Borg and Nadal broke the 8 slam barrier. My guess Djoko`s maximum stays also at 8 or less. Which is great, hell , even 4 is super-excellent , guy has every right to be very proud of what he achieved already.

Nole fan
11-19-2011, 02:58 PM
I meant 1 slam in next year,"coming back to normal year", not overall. Of course he can win even 3 - 4 more until his career ends, if he can stay healthy that is .Usually decline starts at 28, he has 3-4 peak years left.But nothing is guaranteed, seems like there is very strong "resistance level" at 8 slams, only very few can break it. In fact in Open Era only Fed, Sampras,Borg and Nadal broke the 8 slam barrier. My guess Djoko`s maximum stays also at 8 or less. Which is great, hell , even 4 is super-excellent , guy has every right to be very proud of what he achieved already.

I agree. :)

Fedex
11-19-2011, 03:11 PM
No, Nadal is the only guy who can stop him anywhere.

Djoker 2.0 was probably unsustainable.

lol

Fed matches up with Djokovic2.0 a lot better than Nadal does. Fed should have beaten him in 2 of 3 slam meetings this year if he didn't completely choke at the USO.

Fedex
11-19-2011, 03:23 PM
I think 2011 was Novak's career year just like J-Mac in 1984 and Fed in 2005; and just as those other two, I believe Novak will cool down a bit next year. He might sacrifice a couple of masters shields or another major to get that RG title.

Fed's career year was 2006, not 2005.

GSMnadal
11-19-2011, 04:20 PM
Let him win the AO before we start discussing this. Or are we going to bring up the possibility for 4 slams in a row every time someone wins a slam from now on?

He won't win the AO, he won't win RG.

arm
11-19-2011, 04:41 PM
Let him win the AO before we start discussing this. Or are we going to bring up the possibility for 4 slams in a row every time someone wins a slam from now on?

He won't win the AO, he won't win RG.

Again, that is where you people are wrong. He didn't win RG 2011 but still showed up a month later in Wimby to win it.

Mountaindewslave
11-19-2011, 05:09 PM
Novak still needs to do homework on his clay performance. I remember he got outplayed by Kolschreiber, and outlasted by Melzer. The former scares me more than the latter. But in addition to that, it's not going to be an easy ride. Federer was able to defeat Djokovic, because Roland Garros is the slowest surface, it allows Federer to retrieve Djokovic's shots. Now imagine Nadal? The guy is MUCH quicker than Federer, meaning, he'll even put MORE balls into play. So if Djokovic's serve falls short, he's going to be in for a real nightmare. Nadal just needs to get his serve ready before then, once he has that, he's good to go, as for Djokovic, he'll need to somehow miraculously hit Nadal off the court which is almost impossible (like we saw what happened to Federer who played remarkable this year in the final against him). I think it will be an awesome match. I think that's the only match where both guys can take it to 5.

a lot of what shiaben said is true. you all are taking for granted how well Nadal plays on clay in the best of 5 scenario and the fact that the court speed is just slow enough to take away Djokovic advantages.

naturally one is a much better clay courter as it is and NOvak certainly does not have the confidence on clay that Rafael Nadal has despite a great season last year.

I definitely think that Djokovic has a great chance for 3 in a row (Australia) but Roland Garros I am highly skeptical of him winning. look how long it took Federer to win Roland Garros, and there is no debate that he is of a much higher caliber clay court player than DJokovic

GSMnadal
11-19-2011, 05:31 PM
Again, that is where you people are wrong. He didn't win RG 2011 but still showed up a month later in Wimby to win it.

So? :shrug:

Does that say anything about his chances to win AO/RG almost a year later? No.

Saberq
11-19-2011, 05:55 PM
a lot of what shiaben said is true. you all are taking for granted how well Nadal plays on clay in the best of 5 scenario and the fact that the court speed is just slow enough to take away Djokovic advantages.

naturally one is a much better clay courter as it is and NOvak certainly does not have the confidence on clay that Rafael Nadal has despite a great season last year.

I definitely think that Djokovic has a great chance for 3 in a row (Australia) but Roland Garros I am highly skeptical of him winning. look how long it took Federer to win Roland Garros, and there is no debate that he is of a much higher caliber clay court player than DJokovic

I am to skeptical about RG but Novak has a great advantage over players on a slow surface

Sri
11-19-2011, 11:51 PM
Let him win the AO before we start discussing this. Or are we going to bring up the possibility for 4 slams in a row every time someone wins a slam from now on?

He won't win the AO, he won't win RG.
I agree. I created this topic by mistake. I was (wrongly) assuming he is on 3 consecutive slams. My second post in this thread explains it. :-)

Sri
01-29-2012, 02:23 PM
Okay..

Here we are..

Novak is another step closer!

rinnegan
01-29-2012, 02:32 PM
It is ON!

Sri
01-29-2012, 02:48 PM
It is ON!
That's right. Clay season 2012 will be awesome! :D

buzz
01-29-2012, 02:49 PM
Pressure will be high for the French Open.

hipolymer
01-29-2012, 02:51 PM
Nadal must be mentally destroyed after this defeat, and considering Nole beat him in the last two clay matches they've played Nole has a huge chance to get the grand slam.

SERBINATOR
01-29-2012, 02:53 PM
Last year Nadal got lucky

otherwise Novak would have won the "Grand slam" in 2011 itself

Mystique
01-29-2012, 03:00 PM
Nope. Finger Wagerer to spoil the party again :D

Sri
01-29-2012, 03:02 PM
Nope. Finger Wagerer to spoil the party again :D
I'm a Federer fan but I doubt the ThirtyYearOlderer can beat Rafa or Nole in a best of 5. :-)

Evitman
01-29-2012, 03:37 PM
All Novak has to do is hoping for Federer to fall in Nadal's half of the draw at Roland Garros.

syc23
01-29-2012, 03:40 PM
The draw will be rigged again so Fedal will be on seperate half of the draw. I predict a Djokovic v Lendl final.