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2011 Djokovic mirroring 2010 Nadal??

Thunderfish8
11-15-2011, 01:42 PM
When Nadal won the 2010 US Open, we all assumed that this guy was gonna destroy everybody again in 2011. However, Nadal suffered a minor injury after the US Open. He ended up falling early in Shanghai and withdrawing from Paris. He then showed up in London in a very shaky condition. He almost lost to Roddick in round robin, and Murray in the semifinals. Despite making the finals, he had no chance against an in form Federer.

Now look at Djokovic in 2011...

He had an incredible season winning 3 of the 4 slams. However, after the U.S. Open, he suffered from a nagging shoulder injury. He had to withdraw from Shanghai, and was very shaky in Basel and Paris. The injury also forced him to withdraw from Paris, and like Nadal, it was more as a precautionary measure to make sure he was ready for London. But what if he faces Berdych in the first Round Robin match, and he experiences similar problems to Nadal with Roddick last year. He might barely scrape by Berdych, but Murray will give him a good run, and Federer will destroy him if they meet in the semis.

Djokovic has torn his body apart, like Nadal did last year. He might come into 2012 out of steam, and like Nadal, another nagging injury, or the same one, could take him out for a month after the Aussie Open.


Obviously this is all speculation but it mirrors Nadal's slip up at the end of the 2010 season. I think the biggest similarity is that the guy who dominated the big tournaments for the first 9 months of the year has not won a title since his U.S. Open victory. In fact, after Nadal's U.S. Open title, he did not win another title until Monte-Carlo the next year.


So what do you guys think. Is Djokovic falling down a slippery slope like Nadal did? Or is he mature enough to overcome his injuries and keep going strong next year??

ballbasher101
11-15-2011, 01:49 PM
Decent comparison. Djokovic is brilliant on hard-courts so I expect him to bounce back early in January. Nadal on the other-hand gets his confidence back during the clay season. Most tennis is played on hard-courts these days so I don't expect Djokovic to go into a prolonged slump.

*bunny*
11-15-2011, 02:05 PM
In fact, after Nadal's U.S. Open title, he did not win another title until Monte-Carlo the next year.
Rafa won Tokyo after USO last year. :angel:

Egreen
11-15-2011, 02:21 PM
They are both physical, defensive grinders unlike Federer.

Roger the Dodger
11-15-2011, 04:27 PM
Rafa won Tokyo after USO last year. :angel:

Against quality clowns.

Coming back to the question, fitnesswise, Novak has always been worse than Nadal. Nadal's bad luck in 2011 wasn't his injuries from 2010 but the epic rise in Novak's form. Plausibly, Novak took away, 6 of his titles this year. So yes, I might expect a lapse from Novak because of his fitness (he's certainly not winning 10 tournaments next year) but it would still not be as pathetic as Nadal's 2011. If the Serb is really inspired, he might take the important hard court titles all over again, and Nadal roll a couple in clay.

SetSampras
11-15-2011, 04:49 PM
Now now lets not talk about clowns:) Basel and Paris this year?

Anyways.. it all depends on this re-occuring shoulder injury. It could still be affecting Nole even past the Australian Open. If he doesn't win the AO, there is still a chance he can't win the French or Wimbledon either since they are clearly his two weakest surfaces.. It will be tough for him to repeat on grass for sure. Hes solid on clay, but still its a weaker surface.

So that could give him just the USO to get one. One slam for Nole in '12 just as one slam for Nadal in '11? It could happen

Sophocles
11-15-2011, 04:52 PM
The difference is that Djokovic was there to take advantage of the reduced level of Nadal's game. After this year, I can't see Nadal turning the tables on Djoker in such a spectacular fashion.

Saberq
11-15-2011, 04:52 PM
DJokovic doesnt have a weak surface ....

Roger the Dodger
11-15-2011, 04:54 PM
Now now lets not talk about clowns:) Basel and Paris this year?

Anyways.. it all depends on this re-occuring shoulder injury. It could still be affecting Nole even past the Australian Open. If he doesn't win the AO, there is still a chance he can't win the French or Wimbledon either since they are clearly his two weakest surfaces.. It will be tough for him to repeat on grass for sure. Hes solid on clay, but still its a weaker surface.

So that could give him just the USO to get one. One slam for Nole in '12 just as one slam for Nadal in '11? It could happen

Whichever way you put it, Novak's gonna win more than just 3 tournaments, for sure. This year has been by far, Nadal's worst.

As for Roger's Basel/Bercy triumph, those were well deserved. He bit off the tail of a piping hot Nishikori and thumped strong WTA contenders and Grand Slam finalists in Tsonga and Berdych. Nadal simply ticked of Monfils to win Tokyo.

Time Violation
11-15-2011, 08:43 PM
So what do you guys think. Is Djokovic falling down a slippery slope like Nadal did? Or is he mature enough to overcome his injuries and keep going strong next year??

Depends how fit he's going to be next year, and also depends on his priorities. He said that his schedule next year will be more-less the same as this one, however if I were him, I would probably want to save a bit more for the slams, and a bit less for the masters. Not sure whether that would make sense though, I guess that's why he's #1 and I'm writing on MTF :p

stewietennis
11-15-2011, 08:46 PM
Maybe a recent US Open curse that began in 2009

Mountaindewslave
11-15-2011, 10:39 PM
Maybe a recent US Open curse that began in 2009

yeah it is quite quite strange, dominating players seem to be crashing the year after. I would not be surprised if it happens again. some of you seem to be confident because Djokovic is a better hard court player than Nadal BUT his body seems to be getting affected as much Nadal ever did.

Also recall, interestingly enough, Djokovic is about a year younger than Nadal. Patterns anyone? so Nadal in 2010 had this strange decline and now in 2011 at the same age as Nadal had been, Djokovic seems to be having troubles?

I don't think either player is facing serious problems and I think they have a lot more titles to win but it is quite strange. coincidence

MuzzahLovah
11-15-2011, 10:49 PM
The difference is that Djokovic was there to take advantage of the reduced level of Nadal's game. After this year, I can't see Nadal turning the tables on Djoker in such a spectacular fashion.

But maybe Muzzah might :hearts:

MuzzahLovah
11-15-2011, 10:54 PM
Yep, this analogy only works if you accept Nadal has had a bad year this year due to injuries- that's not the case. Actually, until Tokyo, Nadal's only real problem was Djokovic. Every other big match loss was against Djokovic and Ferrer that one time at the very beginning of the season.
Will Djokovic have similar 2012 to Nadal's 2011- only if he recovers fully and Murray steps up :D(because face it, Fedal have already peaked)

Thunderfish8
11-15-2011, 11:06 PM
Yep, this analogy only works if you accept Nadal has had a bad year this year due to injuries- that's not the case. Actually, until Tokyo, Nadal's only real problem was Djokovic. Every other big match loss was against Djokovic and Ferrer that one time at the very beginning of the season.
Will Djokovic have similar 2012 to Nadal's 2011- only if he recovers fully and Murray steps up :D(because face it, Fedal have already peaked)

Well, I think Nadal might have beaten Djokovic in Indian Wells if he didn't get his injury at the Australian Open. It was his first tournament since the Aussie Open. Had he won there, he might have never fallen into Djokovic's dominance.

Murray is on the brink of a breakout season, and according to patterns, 2012 will be Murray's year to knock Djokovic down. Then he, Nole, and Rafa will have a relatively close battle for the #1 and #2 positions.

Shinoj
11-16-2011, 03:46 AM
Nadals game has not reduced, its Djokovic who has raised his game.


In fact in Nadals game not much is there to improve or go down.. He has the same retrieving style, moonball here and there and out grind the opponents. And there is a limit to how much one can play that game. Its simple he is running out of options

While Djokovic has a natural hitting style. His natural game is aggresive, go for the shots,hitting the lines etc.

So there is no comparison between Nadal 2010 and Djokovic 2011

Nadal 2011 is an exhausted entity due to his limited game while Djokovics game knows no bounds.

rickcastle
11-16-2011, 04:21 AM
Well, I think Nadal might have beaten Djokovic in Indian Wells if he didn't get his injury at the Australian Open. It was his first tournament since the Aussie Open. Had he won there, he might have never fallen into Djokovic's dominance.

Too many if's in this. Indian Wells was not the straw that broke the camel's back. Djokovic has won against Nadal in IW before and Djokovic always had a decent record against Nadal on hard courts.. It was the straight set wins on clay that made Nadal quiver under Djokovic's dominance.

Mountaindewslave
11-16-2011, 04:24 AM
Nadals game has not reduced, its Djokovic who has raised his game.


In fact in Nadals game not much is there to improve or go down.. He has the same retrieving style, moonball here and there and out grind the opponents. And there is a limit to how much one can play that game. Its simple he is running out of options

While Djokovic has a natural hitting style. His natural game is aggresive, go for the shots,hitting the lines etc.

So there is no comparison between Nadal 2010 and Djokovic 2011

Nadal 2011 is an exhausted entity due to his limited game while Djokovics game knows no bounds.

if you are truly implying that Djokovic is more talented than Nadal than I think you may have made a mistake. overall Nadal is a better athlete, has a better forehand, and is much better at the net. one lap (year) does not determine a race (career) and you should respect the fact that Nadal's accomplishments far surpass Djokovic and that he even remains with a nice lead in the head to head

stewietennis
11-16-2011, 04:36 AM
Nadal 2011 is an exhausted entity due to his limited game while Djokovics game knows no bounds.

Knows no bounds except for when extreme physical exertion takes a toll on the body… just like Nadal.

Topspindoctor
11-16-2011, 04:40 AM
I am not sure :shrug: We'll have to see next year if Nole's shoulder/back can hold up. I hope he can stay healthy though. I always hated how Nadal went out due to injuries and now my second favorite player looks like to be heading the same way :sad:

Shinoj
11-16-2011, 05:37 AM
if you are truly implying that Djokovic is more talented than Nadal than I think you may have made a mistake. overall Nadal is a better athlete, has a better forehand, and is much better at the net. one lap (year) does not determine a race (career) and you should respect the fact that Nadal's accomplishments far surpass Djokovic and that he even remains with a nice lead in the head to head

Just look at the shots that Djokovic produces. It looks more effortless than how Nadal hits. That is an indicator who is the better talent.

nole_no1
11-16-2011, 07:12 AM
Nadal played very well in 2011 but Djokovic was just too good :worship:

If wouldn't have been Nole, Nadal would've had even a greater season this year

Egreen
11-16-2011, 11:44 AM
I am not sure :shrug: We'll have to see next year if Nole's shoulder/back can hold up. I hope he can stay healthy though. I always hated how Nadal went out due to injuries and now my second favorite player looks like to be heading the same way :sad:

That's what happens when you support grinders like Nadal and Nole. :shrug: At 25/26 next year the injuries will continue for them. :shrug: They aren't Federer or Sampras.