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Tsonga: "winning against djokovic means less than winning against Federer or Nadal"

helvet empire
11-14-2011, 01:19 PM
Tsonga said in his pre match interview against djokovic (not knowing yet that djokovic would retire) that djokovic doesn't have the same aura as Fed or Nadal. He added that winning against him means less than winning against Fed or Nadal.

the interview in french: http://www.20minutes.fr/article/821418/jo-wilfried-tsonga-djokovic-encore-nadal-federer

Tsonga:worship::worship:

Agree? Disagree?:confused::confused:

...Raging?:devil:

abraxas21
11-14-2011, 01:23 PM
yeah, i heard that

in point of fact, that's the real reason djokovic quit when he had to face tsonga. he got intimidated by him and thought to himself 'screw this crap, can't beat this big guy. i'm out'.

like somebody else said, he really is muhammad ali

helvet empire
11-14-2011, 01:28 PM
yeah, i heard that

in point of fact, that's the real reason djokovic quit when he had to face tsonga. he got intimidated by him and thought to himself 'screw this crap, can't beat this big guy. i'm out'.

like somebody else said, he really is muhammad ali

that's a fine point you make. Djokovic is going to be scared shitless in WTF with all these big names around, not ready to bend over for him:unsure::scared::scared::scared::scared:

janko05
11-14-2011, 01:34 PM
Agree.I mean who can disagree with Tsonga.He is our god and whatever he may brainfart is accepted almost as a rule :worship:

helvet empire
11-14-2011, 01:37 PM
Agree.I mean who can disagree with Tsonga.He is our god and whatever he may brainfart is accepted almost as a rule :worship:

nice moment of lucidity coming from a nole fan:worship::worship::wavey:

Castafiore
11-14-2011, 01:49 PM
The title of the article is "Djokovic n'a pas encore la même aura que Nadal ou Federer" so that means: "Djokovic does not yet have the same aura as Nadal or Federer.

I'm guessing that what Tsonga means is that Djokovic is having a fantastic 2011 with a lot to defend next year when he'll be the main one with a giant bull's eye on his back so once he can prove he can handle that sort of pressure of being the chased top man, he'll have a similar aura as Roger or Rafa who have had great seasons and backed it up nicely in the following years.

tennis2tennis
11-14-2011, 02:10 PM
The title of the article is "Djokovic n'a pas encore la même aura que Nadal ou Federer" so that means: "Djokovic does not yet have the same aura as Nadal or Federer.

this is a prime example of how thing get taken out of context Federer and Rafa have been dominating FOR YEARS novak dominated FOR A YEAR so as great as it is to beat/play him in 2011 - it'll be a couple of seasons before he amasses similar aura's!

Henry Chinaski
11-14-2011, 02:11 PM
The title of the article is "Djokovic n'a pas encore la même aura que Nadal ou Federer" so that means: "Djokovic does not yet have the same aura as Nadal or Federer.

I'm guessing that what Tsonga means is that Djokovic is having a fantastic 2011 with a lot to defend next year when he'll be the main one with a giant bull's eye on his back so once he can prove he can handle that sort of pressure of being the chased top man, he'll have a similar aura as Roger or Rafa who have had great seasons and backed it up nicely in the following years.

too sensible.

what you failed to mention was that tsonga pulled his dick out, pissed on a photo of Novak while he was saying it and then called Dijana a whore.

rickcastle
11-14-2011, 02:13 PM
The title of the article is "Djokovic n'a pas encore la même aura que Nadal ou Federer" so that means: "Djokovic does not yet have the same aura as Nadal or Federer.

I'm guessing that what Tsonga means is that Djokovic is having a fantastic 2011 with a lot to defend next year when he'll be the main one with a giant bull's eye on his back so once he can prove he can handle that sort of pressure of being the chased top man, he'll have a similar aura as Roger or Rafa who have had great seasons and backed it up nicely in the following years.

Thanks for the proper translation, but Djokovic fans will bust their nut over this anyway :lol:

Puschkin
11-14-2011, 02:25 PM
As usual, Tsonga should have kept his mouth shut.

Apemant
11-14-2011, 02:32 PM
As usual, Tsonga should have kept his mouth shut.

It is impossible for people in any kind of spotlight, to sufficiently keep their mouths shut, because the press will always come up with the goods. :shrug:

After all, it's understandable - they do it for living. :devil:

freeandlonely
11-14-2011, 02:39 PM
May be right.
But...what's wrong with Tsonga:confused:

green25814
11-14-2011, 02:41 PM
Agree.I mean who can disagree with Tsonga.He is our god and whatever he may brainfart is accepted almost as a rule :worship:

Well it certainly means more than the opinion of some random MTF clown.

Saberq
11-14-2011, 03:05 PM
Who cares what a dancing clown thinks........he is just bitter that Novak kicks his ass on regular basis this year.....disgusting person ....I hope he never wins another match in his life....

ossie
11-14-2011, 03:06 PM
wrong, the djoker may not have the 'aura' (lol) but he is a better player than fed and rafa so its actually more of an accomplishment to beat him.

Roadmap
11-14-2011, 03:08 PM
I get the feeling that Tsonga does not have pictures of Djokovic on his wall. Except maybe to throw darts at.

Saberq
11-14-2011, 03:12 PM
I get the feeling that Tsonga does not have pictures of Djokovic on his wall. Except maybe to throw darts at.

Tsonga is an idiot that's insulting a person...it's like Novak saying beating Rafa is not as good as beating Roger

Shinoj
11-14-2011, 03:12 PM
Clowns like Tsonga say that Djokovic doesnt have the so-called "Aura" because Djokovic lifted his game right before these Clowns and they stood watching and thats why they cant admit to it. There is nothing more to it.

Moron if he spends more time worrying about his game than commenting on Djokovic, he would do well than to fall back on the Bercy crowd like a Handicap

incognito
11-14-2011, 03:31 PM
He may not have the aura (according to some), but he has the game and that's what matters ;)

JayR
11-14-2011, 03:32 PM
The title of the article is "Djokovic n'a pas encore la même aura que Nadal ou Federer" so that means: "Djokovic does not yet have the same aura as Nadal or Federer.

I'm guessing that what Tsonga means is that Djokovic is having a fantastic 2011 with a lot to defend next year when he'll be the main one with a giant bull's eye on his back so once he can prove he can handle that sort of pressure of being the chased top man, he'll have a similar aura as Roger or Rafa who have had great seasons and backed it up nicely in the following years.

What are you doing speaking commonsense? Off with your head!

Thanks for the correct translation. :)

Naudio Spanlatine
11-14-2011, 03:35 PM
oh:devil:

so roger and rafa is more important to win against than nole:lick:

i like the way you think tsonga:angel:

tripwires
11-14-2011, 03:39 PM
wrong, the djoker may not have the 'aura' (lol) but he is a better player than fed and rafa so its actually more of an accomplishment to beat him.

Unless you meant that Nole was a better player in 2011, then...

:haha: :haha: :haha:

helvet empire
11-14-2011, 04:17 PM
The title of the article is "Djokovic n'a pas encore la même aura que Nadal ou Federer" so that means: "Djokovic does not yet have the same aura as Nadal or Federer.

I'm guessing that what Tsonga means is that Djokovic is having a fantastic 2011 with a lot to defend next year when he'll be the main one with a giant bull's eye on his back so once he can prove he can handle that sort of pressure of being the chased top man, he'll have a similar aura as Roger or Rafa who have had great seasons and backed it up nicely in the following years.

Blah, this is just PC, Tsonga said "not yet" in order not to piss off djokovic.
Truth is djokovic won't EVER have the aura of nadal and federer, which they won not only through their achievements (that djokovic will likely never match), but also their personnality and atypical games.

Dougie
11-14-2011, 04:24 PM
It´s easy to interpret it the wrong way. But Tsonga is absolutely right. It takes a few more years, a few more epic matches ( and a proper rivalry with someone wouldn´t hurt) for Djokovic to reach the status ( or aura) that Federer and Nadal have. That´s not to say he isn´t the best player at the moment, but he hasn´t been around the block enough yet.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 04:25 PM
Well Nole is just beginning his real rise as the top dog. Fed and Nadal have been established for years. Within 3-4 years, beating Nole will be the standard and what others will strive to do on the big stage.. Just give it time.

tektonac
11-14-2011, 04:30 PM
AO 2008 final loss still stings badly me thinks.

the same bonga praised Nole (last spring) as a player more talented and with more options than Nadal.

helvet empire
11-14-2011, 04:32 PM
Well Nole is just beginning his real rise as the top dog. Fed and Nadal have been established for years. Within 3-4 years, beating Nole will be the standard and what others will strive to do on the big stage.. Just give it time.

until djokovic makes the crowds whisper of admiration like Federer's talent does and get excited like nadal's athletic abilities do, he won't ever have the same aura.

Sham Kay
11-14-2011, 04:33 PM
Tsonga is an idiot that's insulting a person...it's like Novak saying beating Rafa is not as good as beating Roger
Some media genius should put Djokovic on the spot about that.

Okay Novak, OFFICIALLY AS OF THIS VERY SECOND Who would you rather beat, Federer or Nadal?

Option A: Federer = What a disgusting clown this Djokovic

Option B: Nadal = What a disgusting clown this Djokovic

Option C: Murray = What a disgusting troll this Djokovic

MIMIC
11-14-2011, 04:33 PM
Djokovic doesn't have the aura of a 16-time slam winner and a 10-time slam winner? You don't say.

Djokovic is only just now starting to dominate the tour and his "aura" is still developing (that is, if he is to continue his domination).

Fabilicious
11-14-2011, 04:36 PM
too sensible.

what you failed to mention was that tsonga pulled his dick out, pissed on a photo of Novak while he was saying it and then called Dijana a whore.

:haha::haha::haha:

Sunset of Age
11-14-2011, 04:48 PM
Nothing wrong with what Tsonga actually said, but of course a lot of posters will do anything to misinterpret his words and diss him. What else is new.

too sensible.

what you failed to mention was that tsonga pulled his dick out, pissed on a photo of Novak while he was saying it and then called Dijana a whore.

:rolls:

Everko
11-14-2011, 04:49 PM
Beating Federer does not mean too much these days. He has fallen to the point where beating him is not an achievement.

Orka_n
11-14-2011, 04:53 PM
too sensible.

what you failed to mention was that tsonga pulled his dick out, pissed on a photo of Novak while he was saying it and then called Dijana a whore.:haha:

Pirata.
11-14-2011, 05:02 PM
what you failed to mention was that tsonga pulled his dick out, pissed on a photo of Novak while he was saying it and then called Dijana a whore.

:haha:

Who cares what a dancing clown thinks........he is just bitter that Novak kicks his ass on regular basis this year.....disgusting person ....I hope he never wins another match in his life....

SdG double account? :confused:

NID
11-14-2011, 05:13 PM
Tsonga did some goot mental prep for the final. :)

shiaben
11-14-2011, 05:16 PM
I'm glad he said that. Now we can have some heat between these two players at future slams. I love rivalries, especially when simple commentaries can spark or provoke players to bring out their best. We had the Ljubicic-Roddick situation, Roddick-Djokovic situation, the Del Potro- Murray situation, now we'll get a Tsonga-Djokovic thing going on at the next slam. This could bring out the best in both players.

helvet empire
11-14-2011, 05:29 PM
I'm glad he said that. Now we can have some heat between these two players at future slams. I love rivalries, especially when simple commentaries can spark or provoke players to bring out their best. We had the Ljubicic-Roddick situation, Roddick-Djokovic situation, the Del Potro- Murray situation, now we'll get a Tsonga-Djokovic thing going on at the next slam. This could bring out the best in both players.

I doubt that. They're actually friends.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 05:32 PM
What rivalry? Murray hasn't done shit to warrant such a rivalry with anyone. Thats like saying Roddick was a rival. 0 slams or 1 slam doesn't equate to some rivalry.. Rivalries create wonder and question marks:stupid:

nole_no1
11-14-2011, 05:32 PM
What's Tsonga's problem with Djokovic after all?

shiaben
11-14-2011, 05:36 PM
I shouldn't have said rivalry, but more like "brief slam battle feuds" :D. This would make more sense.

Start da Game
11-14-2011, 05:39 PM
:haha:



SdG double account? :confused:

correct......creating and running multiple accounts is my hobby and i am the one behind every poster you and arse jumbo clowns aka the blind breed disagree with......

shiaben
11-14-2011, 05:39 PM
What's Tsonga's problem with Djokovic after all?

He doesn't have a problem at all. He merely pointed out that Djokovic had one dominating season, but he needs to have a few more to be categorized in the level of Nadal/Federer in terms of consistency.

For me I think the comment's suggestion was a bit silly because Djokovic historically had a poor Wimbledon record, but then came and destroyed Tsonga and Nadal to take the title. So when a guy gets the AO in one year (defeating 3 guys in the top 8 in 3 sets), reaches the SF of Roland Garros losing a match that could have gone to a 5th, won Wimbledon like I said, and wins the U.S. Open defeating both Federer and Nadal, I think you would expect him to be consistent from now on.

I don't think it's very common to see some guy "randomly" win 3-4 slams in a year, then disappear the following years (UNLESS he gets some dangerous injury).

Sham Kay
11-14-2011, 05:40 PM
Might be hard for a forumer to comprehend, but you don't have to have a problem with someone to describe other people as a bigger goal for you to beat. Whoever thinks this is an insult has never received a real insult.. but deserve to be insulted.

Start da Game
11-14-2011, 05:42 PM
zonga better mind his own business......nobody asked him where djokovic should be categorized......even if he was asked, he should say that's not his business...... djokovic dominated one season, just one......so what? he has his own bit of history......

Yolita
11-14-2011, 05:51 PM
There's nothing wrong with what Tsonga said. It's true that Novak is nowhere near the achievements of those 2 great players. Not yet.

But that excess of respect for Federer didn't help Tsonga on Sunday. Roger played really well. But Tsonga had his chances in the second set to even the match. He was serving like a god, winning 100% of the points on his first sere...Until it really mattered, then Tsonga fell to pieces, probably thinking about Roger's "aura". He can beat Federer, he has done in the past, but he couldn't do it when it mattered, to win his first Masters title at home.

I'm sure Tsonga knows that little Novak managed to beat Federer in a Masters Final, with the crowd against him, when he was barely 20 and Roger was at his peak (Rogers Cup, 2007). I bet Roger's "aura" didn't get in the way of Nole's game. :devil:

shiaben
11-14-2011, 05:55 PM
There's nothing wrong with what Tsonga said. It's true that Novak is nowhere near the achievements of those 2 great players. Not yet.

But that excess of respect for Federer didn't help Tsonga on Sunday. Roger played really well. But Tsonga had his chances in the second set to even the match. He was serving like a god, winning 100% of the points on his first sere...Until it really mattered, then Tsonga fell to pieces, probably thinking about Roger's "aura". He can beat Federer, he has done in the past, but he couldn't do it when it mattered, to win his first Masters title at home.

I'm sure Tsonga knows that little Novak managed to beat Federer in a Masters Final, with the crowd against him, when he was barely 20 and Roger was at his peak (Rogers Cup, 2007). I bet Roger's "aura" didn't get in the way of Nole's game. :devil:

It never did (the aura thing). Djokovic has always been a very mature player. In 2007 he lead the first two tiebreaks against Federer, he lost the entire match on his racket. Of course back then, his serve was poor, so there was no surprise that Federer was going to win it. People can moan and groan about Federer losing at the Australian Open 2008, but Djokovic would have beat him in the long run because his serve wasn't as poor as the 2007 U.S. Open.

tangerine_dream
11-14-2011, 06:02 PM
Tsonga said in his pre match interview against djokovic that djokovic doesn't have the same aura as Fed or Nadal. He added that winning against him means less than winning against Fed or Nadal.
Tsonga still sore about AO 2008. :hug:

Start da Game
11-14-2011, 06:07 PM
in a homogenized era, nobody is sure of who's superior to who because everyone's executing the same game from the back......this situation could sometimes lead to lesser players thinking that they are no way inferior to better achievers......tsonga could very well be thinking that nobody executes drop volleys better than him and nobody rips forehands faster than him only when they go in of course......so some blame has to go for the homogenized era for such comments......

acionescu
11-14-2011, 06:17 PM
Wait until Nole spam sees this :scared: :scared: :bolt:

electronicmusic
11-14-2011, 06:26 PM
There's nothing wrong with what Tsonga said. It's true that Novak is nowhere near the achievements of those 2 great players. Not yet.

But that excess of respect for Federer didn't help Tsonga on Sunday. Roger played really well. But Tsonga had his chances in the second set to even the match. He was serving like a god, winning 100% of the points on his first sere...Until it really mattered, then Tsonga fell to pieces, probably thinking about Roger's "aura". He can beat Federer, he has done in the past, but he couldn't do it when it mattered, to win his first Masters title at home.

I'm sure Tsonga knows that little Novak managed to beat Federer in a Masters Final, with the crowd against him, when he was barely 20 and Roger was at his peak (Rogers Cup, 2007). I bet Roger's "aura" didn't get in the way of Nole's game. :devil:

Tsonga has won Bercy in 2008.

abraxas21
11-14-2011, 06:38 PM
There's nothing wrong with what Tsonga said. It's true that Novak is nowhere near the achievements of those 2 great players. Not yet.

But that excess of respect for Federer didn't help Tsonga on Sunday. Roger played really well. But Tsonga had his chances in the second set to even the match. He was serving like a god, winning 100% of the points on his first sere...Until it really mattered, then Tsonga fell to pieces, probably thinking about Roger's "aura". He can beat Federer, he has done in the past, but he couldn't do it when it mattered, to win his first Masters title at home.

I'm sure Tsonga knows that little Novak managed to beat Federer in a Masters Final, with the crowd against him, when he was barely 20 and Roger was at his peak (Rogers Cup, 2007). I bet Roger's "aura" didn't get in the way of Nole's game. :devil:

fail

Vida
11-14-2011, 06:39 PM
tsonga doesnt need this in his life.

Yolita
11-14-2011, 06:42 PM
*dead* :o :o

In that case, no big deal losing to Roger, then. He lost, bu he got praised for his efforts by the goat himself. I'm sure he's happy. Now, it it had been Nole... :lol:

fmolinari2005
11-14-2011, 06:45 PM
We could improve this thread by editing the title to
- Tsonga: "winning against Djokovic means less than winning against Federer or Nadal ... oh, btw, Pete Sampras was an overrated servebot and Murray will never win a Slam".

That would be a much better thread title IMO. Then you could bring all the tards into a collective frenzy or something. Would be fun.

abraxas21
11-14-2011, 06:50 PM
*dead* :o :o

In that case, no big deal losing to Roger, then. He lost, bu he got praised for his efforts by the goat himself. I'm sure he's happy. Now, it it had been Nole... :lol:

do you think an injury free djokovic would have beaten federer in paris?

Saberq
11-14-2011, 06:55 PM
do you think an injury free djokovic would have beaten federer in paris?

fully fit?yes he would have had a great chance...cant claim 100%

shiaben
11-14-2011, 07:00 PM
Slower conditions would favor Federer obviously. On top of that the motivation factor and anger of his U.S. Open loss. But yeah probably a 50/50 if he were healthy.

fmolinari2005
11-14-2011, 07:02 PM
The greatest philosophical question in tennis today is what would happen if a fully fit Nadal plays a fully fit Nole. However, since there is no tie in tennis and one of them have to lose, in the universe we live in this scenario is impossible.

Sofonda Cox
11-14-2011, 07:03 PM
Tsonga said in his pre match interview against djokovic (not knowing yet that djokovic would retire) that djokovic doesn't have the same aura as Fed or Nadal. He added that winning against him means less than winning against Fed or Nadal.

the interview in french: http://www.20minutes.fr/article/821418/jo-wilfried-tsonga-djokovic-encore-nadal-federer

Tsonga:worship::worship:

Agree? Disagree?:confused::confused:

...Raging?:devil:

Agree. Faker has zero class and won't be remembered for long after he's retired.

Nole Fan is probably crying.

nole_no1
11-14-2011, 07:04 PM
do you think an injury free djokovic would have beaten federer in paris?

A full fit Nole?
YES.OF.COURSE

The only time Djokovic lost this year against Federer being full fit was at the Roland Garros but there Federer played one of his best matches in the last 2 years

Sunset of Age
11-14-2011, 07:05 PM
There's nothing wrong with what Tsonga said. It's true that Novak is nowhere near the achievements of those 2 great players. Not yet.

Yep, that's the whole point. And we've yet to see whether Djokovic will get anywhere near to Fedal's achievements. Right now I'd say it's a pretty big hill still to climb for him. 26 > 4. ;)

But that excess of respect for Federer didn't help Tsonga on Sunday. Roger played really well. But Tsonga had his chances in the second set to even the match. He was serving like a god, winning 100% of the points on his first sere...Until it really mattered, then Tsonga fell to pieces, probably thinking about Roger's "aura". He can beat Federer, he has done in the past, but he couldn't do it when it mattered, to win his first Masters title at home.

Tsonga may have valued his win over Fed in Wimbledon even more than possibly beating him in Paris, but I may be mistaken about this. :smoke:

MuzzahLovah
11-14-2011, 07:31 PM
I think Nishikori would disagree :haha:

Saberq
11-14-2011, 07:38 PM
I think Nishikori would disagree :haha:

nice trolling ......also Young and Bogomolov say hello

arm
11-14-2011, 07:48 PM
Lets all get over of it :lol: I doubt that Nole cares one bit about statements like these or tsonga's appreciation of him. :shrug: Nole himself has admitted that roger and nadal are still on another level in terms of career achievements... That's a fact.

But one thing is obvious, this season beating Nole is a lot more meaningful than beating one of the other guys. And if Tsonga disagrees he has been distracted during the whole season. Some fed fans (maybe even Roger himself) even feel prouder about the win over Nole in RG than the last 2 titles. :lol:

abraxas21
11-14-2011, 08:11 PM
A full fit Nole?
YES.OF.COURSE

The only time Djokovic lost this year against Federer being full fit was at the Roland Garros but there Federer played one of his best matches in the last 2 years

thank you

consider yourself nominated for the ACC

timafi
11-14-2011, 08:12 PM
The title of the article is "Djokovic n'a pas encore la même aura que Nadal ou Federer" so that means: "Djokovic does not yet have the same aura as Nadal or Federer.

I'm guessing that what Tsonga means is that Djokovic is having a fantastic 2011 with a lot to defend next year when he'll be the main one with a giant bull's eye on his back so once he can prove he can handle that sort of pressure of being the chased top man, he'll have a similar aura as Roger or Rafa who have had great seasons and backed it up nicely in the following years.

only those who don't speak French and want to start shit will come up with something other than what Tsonga said:shrug:

Mountaindewslave
11-14-2011, 08:16 PM
I mean he is right obviously. but it's pretty clear cut, less accomplishment and less success = less prestige. in time he might become like them but also the problem is that Djokovic does not really have that distinct style or personality that Nadal and Federer have so it is difficult to compare.

certainly in 2011 beating Djokovic was a bigger deal than beating Nadal or Federer but Tsonga makes a good point about facing these guys in general in your career. maybe time will change this though, who knows.

Mountaindewslave
11-14-2011, 08:18 PM
A full fit Nole?
YES.OF.COURSE

The only time Djokovic lost this year against Federer being full fit was at the Roland Garros but there Federer played one of his best matches in the last 2 years

Djokovic was healthy enough against Murray in August he just took the cowards way out. if he is fully functional at the world tour finals then it will also mean he quite possibly ran away form a potential FULL FIT NOLE loss against Tsonga

arm
11-14-2011, 08:25 PM
Djokovic was healthy enough against Murray in August he just took the cowards way out. if he is fully functional at the world tour finals then it will also mean he quite possibly ran away form a potential FULL FIT NOLE loss against Tsonga

:haha: yes, a full fit Nole will lose to a no-backhand-Tsonga. You got that one right. :yeah: Did you even watch Paris? Tsonga was VERY lucky to make it to the final.

Obviously, a full fit Nole CAN lose to Federer, no doubt about that one.

Gagsquet
11-14-2011, 08:43 PM
You can't teach a Nole to suck eggs. http://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/oh.gif

Saberq
11-14-2011, 09:12 PM
Djokovic was healthy enough against Murray in August he just took the cowards way out. if he is fully functional at the world tour finals then it will also mean he quite possibly ran away form a potential FULL FIT NOLE loss against Tsonga

Djokovic served WTA style in that match...he was also fucked up in the 4th set of the US Open where he served like a girl and still beat Nadal 6-1

janko05
11-14-2011, 09:19 PM
zonga better mind his own business......nobody asked him where djokovic should be categorized......even if he was asked, he should say that's not his business...... djokovic dominated one season, just one......so what? he has his own bit of history......

This.

hiperborejac
11-14-2011, 11:04 PM
Tsonga is right. Djokovic needs 4-5 more slams to be mentioned in the same sentence with Fedal. Though, Jo's statement is very stupid move cause he'll never have a chance to beat Djokovic again. Never. Ever.

yellowboy906
11-15-2011, 02:03 AM
until djokovic makes the crowds whisper of admiration like Federer's talent does and get excited like nadal's athletic abilities do, he won't ever have the same aura.

are you a retard? have you seen the match between djokovic and nadal at us open final this year where the crowd were making admiration sound even between points? did you see djokovic excite the crowd using his athletic ability to frustrate nadal even though nadal hit his forehand like a demon? there is nobody at the moment who could defend nadal's monster forehand better than djokovic does. it doesn't matter if djokovic never has nadal or federer's aura as long as nadal feels the aura when djokovic neutralize nadal biggest weapon which is his forehand time and time again. fans these days are so dumb saying djokovic won't ever have the same aura. well nadal disagree cause he shi*t his pants every time he sees djokovic across the net.:sad:

Topspindoctor
11-15-2011, 02:06 AM
Clownga's victory over Nadal in AO, will be the highlight of his career after he retires.

Kat_YYZ
11-15-2011, 02:06 AM
Nadal and Federer's achievements are clearly greater than Djokovic's at this point in time. And Tsonga actually still has a winning H2H with Novak. So in one way there isn't too much "wrong" with this statement. But when you beat Federer or Nadal, you're not beating them at all the slams they ever won; you just winning that one match. And as someone else pointed out, Jo didn't beat Novak at AO 2008. I bet he'd trade all his other wins over Novak for that one. So maybe just keep quiet until the trophy is in your hands. :p

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-15-2011, 03:48 AM
Nadal and Federer's achievements are clearly greater than Djokovic's at this point in time. And Tsonga actually still has a winning H2H with Novak. So in one way there isn't too much "wrong" with this statement. But when you beat Federer or Nadal, you're not beating them at all the slams they ever won; you just winning that one match. And as someone else pointed out, Jo didn't beat Novak at AO 2008. I bet he'd trade all his other wins over Novak for that one. So maybe just keep quiet until the trophy is in your hands. :p

I dont normally agree with Fed fans but well done

Solid logic

Federerhingis
11-15-2011, 05:42 AM
The title of the article is "Djokovic n'a pas encore la même aura que Nadal ou Federer" so that means: "Djokovic does not yet have the same aura as Nadal or Federer.

I'm guessing that what Tsonga means is that Djokovic is having a fantastic 2011 with a lot to defend next year when he'll be the main one with a giant bull's eye on his back so once he can prove he can handle that sort of pressure of being the chased top man, he'll have a similar aura as Roger or Rafa who have had great seasons and backed it up nicely in the following years.

Voila, c'est simplement ca, et je suis d'accord, Novak will have quite a test ahead of him in 2012.

this is a prime example of how thing get taken out of context Federer and Rafa have been dominating FOR YEARS novak dominated FOR A YEAR so as great as it is to beat/play him in 2011 - it'll be a couple of seasons before he amasses similar aura's!

Naturally, and obviously Jo is far too smart and neutral to make such bold and out of character comments. Jo has never appeared to me to be in the least pedantic or disrespectful to his peers and has a very affable and equanimous personality. The media always takes comments out of context and translating is a very difficult profession.

Chirag
11-15-2011, 06:12 AM
But that excess of respect for Federer didn't help Tsonga on Sunday. Roger played really well. But Tsonga had his chances in the second set to even the match. He was serving like a god, winning 100% of the points on his first sere...Until it really mattered, then Tsonga fell to pieces, probably thinking about Roger's "aura". He can beat Federer, he has done in the past, but he couldn't do it when it mattered, to win his first Masters title at home.

I'm sure Tsonga knows that little Novak managed to beat Federer in a Masters Final, with the crowd against him, when he was barely 20 and Roger was at his peak (Rogers Cup, 2007). I bet Roger's "aura" didn't get in the way of Nole's game. :devil:

Only Tsonga has beaten Roger at the biggest stage of tennis ,so that first para logic goes for a six right there since he has beaten Federer when it mattered the most.That aura thing didnt make any difference there and as it didnt now .He lost because Federer upped his game in the crucial stages .

And Novak has lost matches to Federer because of his aura (like the 2008,2009 and 2007 Us Open matches).So its not like Novak has never felt the aura .The 2007 final really highlights that when he choked big time .If he believed in himself he would have won all their US Open matches ,instead its only 32

Forehander
11-15-2011, 07:23 AM
lol Djokovic is probably crying in anger knowing Tsonga said that.

Naudio Spanlatine
11-15-2011, 03:53 PM
Clownga's victory over Nadal in AO, will be the highlight of his career after he retires.

not jus that, also tsonga victory against fed in this year wimbledon;)

fast_clay
11-15-2011, 04:00 PM
too sensible.

what you failed to mention was that tsonga pulled his dick out, pissed on a photo of Novak while he was saying it and then called Dijana a whore.

:spit:

stewietennis
11-15-2011, 10:22 PM
I think it's a reasonable opinion to have. It's not taking away much from Djokovic at all. It would be like saying in circa 1985 – beating Edberg is good, but it's not the same as beating Wilander, Lendl or McEnroe.

Nole fan
11-15-2011, 10:32 PM
Blah, this is just PC, Tsonga said "not yet" in order not to piss off djokovic.
Truth is djokovic won't EVER have the aura of nadal and federer, which they won not only through their achievements (that djokovic will likely never match), but also their personnality and atypical games.

Man, get off your cloud number 9. :rolleyes:

By the way, old news, this has been discussed already.

Mountaindewslave
11-15-2011, 11:30 PM
:haha: yes, a full fit Nole will lose to a no-backhand-Tsonga. You got that one right. :yeah: Did you even watch Paris? Tsonga was VERY lucky to make it to the final.

Obviously, a full fit Nole CAN lose to Federer, no doubt about that one.

it certainly would be possible. you are entirely underrating Tsonga's level of play. so the entire second set of the final against Federer was fluke play by him too? Jo was not in good form at all? wrong. Federer was dynamite in Paris and Tsonga was pretty good himself.

Djokovic is no god and quite clearly (given the time proximity of the WTF's), if he plays with full health in them than his W/O against Tsonga in Paris was not because of a legitimate injury but because of fear of getting another loss on his belt this year from an in form player.

there were really is no way to argue yourself out of that one. however, if Djokovic actually does appear injured at the WTF's then it would change things but for some odd reason (maybe past behavior including parts of this season) I am quite sure he will be perfectly fine.

to the point of the matter, obviously Djokovic is not quite famed as Nadal and Federer and does not have their legend status. I mean for heavens sake, outside of just the tennis world and the court, if we even used Facebook as a means of comparison, he has like 1/8 and 1/9 of Nadal and Federer's fans on there. sure he has not been well known as long as them, but that is exactly the point and Tsonga is right in pointing it out. he has a lot to prove and must accomplish more to gain the sort of prestige these two have earned

Mountaindewslave
11-15-2011, 11:34 PM
Nadal and Federer's achievements are clearly greater than Djokovic's at this point in time. And Tsonga actually still has a winning H2H with Novak. So in one way there isn't too much "wrong" with this statement. But when you beat Federer or Nadal, you're not beating them at all the slams they ever won; you just winning that one match. And as someone else pointed out, Jo didn't beat Novak at AO 2008. I bet he'd trade all his other wins over Novak for that one. So maybe just keep quiet until the trophy is in your hands. :p

so a player cannot comment on how it feels to play particular opponents because of significant losses he has had.....? :o bad logic. you make a good point about what matches Tsonga WISHES he won and maybe he would trade them, but that is not what he was discussing, it wasn't some "what if" scenario, it was how he feels when playing particular people and the legendary nature of playing against some of the best of all time

arm
11-15-2011, 11:46 PM
it certainly would be possible. you are entirely underrating Tsonga's level of play. so the entire second set of the final against Federer was fluke play by him too? Jo was not in good form at all? wrong. Federer was dynamite in Paris and Tsonga was pretty good himself.

Djokovic is no god and quite clearly (given the time proximity of the WTF's), if he plays with full health in them than his W/O against Tsonga in Paris was not because of a legitimate injury but because of fear of getting another loss on his belt this year from an in form player.

there were really is no way to argue yourself out of that one. however, if Djokovic actually does appear injured at the WTF's then it would change things but for some odd reason (maybe past behavior including parts of this season) I am quite sure he will be perfectly fine.

to the point of the matter, obviously Djokovic is not quite famed as Nadal and Federer and does not have their legend status. I mean for heavens sake, outside of just the tennis world and the court, if we even used Facebook as a means of comparison, he has like 1/8 and 1/9 of Nadal and Federer's fans on there. sure he has not been well known as long as them, but that is exactly the point and Tsonga is right in pointing it out. he has a lot to prove and must accomplish more to gain the sort of prestige these two have earned

I didn't question or disagree with what Jo said...

I completely disagree with you that Jo stands a chance against a fit Nole, because IMO, he just doesn't when he is playing normalish, let along NOW. He played one fairly good set, that doesn't make a tournament. Didn't play QF, barelly lived through the semi (wouldn't have if he weren't playing at home). I watched his R2 match (was actually there) and you know what I thought when it was over? "Tsonga playing this way looks more than beatable even with a shoulder that is not 100%". Tsonga is a good player, true. Can he threaten Nole? Yes, sure. Can his best self threaten the best Nole from 2011? He wishes. :rolls:

BigJohn
11-16-2011, 02:01 AM
http://www.patana.ac.th/TennisPhoto/0/tsonga.jpg

Pictured: Captain Obvious.

NadalPhan
11-16-2011, 02:45 AM
The title of the article is "Djokovic n'a pas encore la même aura que Nadal ou Federer" so that means: "Djokovic does not yet have the same aura as Nadal or Federer.

Maybe you should read the entire article instead of just reading the title.

Gagner contre Djokovic, ça signifie moins que battre Rafa ou Roger.

Translation, Winning against Djokovic means less than beating Rafa or Roger.

Castafiore
11-16-2011, 08:37 AM
Maybe you should read the entire article instead of just reading the title.



Translation, Winning against Djokovic means less than beating Rafa or Roger.
Wait a second, you're cherry-picking one quote, taken out of context and you tell me to read the entire article? :spit:

I have read the entire article, thank you very much, and I don't think that your quote tells the entire story either.

Vendredi, vous affrontez Novak Djokovic, contre qui – vous êtes un des seuls d’ailleurs – vous avez un bilan positif (5 victoires à 4, dont 3 à 0 en Indoor)…
Tsonga: Quoi qu’il se passe, il joue toujours bien. Moi, je n’ai rien à perdre, et c’est à ça que je pense que je rentre sur le court face à lui. C’est sans doute pour ça qu’à chaque fois que je joue contre lui, je joue mon meilleur tennis.

C’est spécial de jouer contre lui?
Tsonga: Pas encore autant que jouer contre Nadal ou Federer.

Pourquoi?
Tsonga: Il n’a pas encore la même aura qu’eux. Attention, je n’ai pas dit qu’il ne jouait pas aussi bien, n’allez pas écrire n’importe quoi (rires) ! Mais il est encore loin de ce que les deux ont réussi dans leur carrière. Gagner contre Djokovic, ça signifie moins que battre Rafa ou Roger.

My translation:
Q : On Friday, you will confront Novak Djokovic against whom – as one of the very few, by the way – you have a positive head-to-head (5 victories against 4 of which 3 vs 0 indoors).
Tsonga: Whatever happens, I’m playing well. I have nothing to lose and that’s what I’m thinking when I step on court to face him. This is without a doubt the reason why each time I face him, I play my best tennis.

Q: Is it special to play against him?
Tsonga: Not yet as special as playing against Nadal or Federer

Q: Why?
Tsonga: He does not yet have the same aura as they have. Note that I haven’t said that he isn’t playing as well so be careful with what you write (laughs)! But he’s still far from what those two have achieved in their career. To win against Djokovic is not as significant as beating Rafa or Roger.

NadalPhan
11-16-2011, 01:22 PM
You're right Castafiore, but instead of telling the OP he took the quote out of context, you made it seem like Tsonga never said such thing to begin with.

MY quote definitely doesn't tell the entire story, but it does prove, nonetheless, that the OP did not make the quote up.

Castafiore
11-16-2011, 01:31 PM
You're arguing for the sake of arguing. Go to my first post and quote me where I said that Tsonga never said that. I didn't.

I tried to clarify what Tsonga actually said in full, which is not clear when you read the thread title and given the fact that not every MTF'er can understand French, I translated a bit more.

arm
11-16-2011, 02:04 PM
It is still a bit stupid that when asked if it's special to play Novak he has to answer by comparing to 2 other players. :shrug: It's quite stupid. Nobody asked him to compare, they asked wether or not it's special to play Nole.

But it's sure it's not offensive, and it's not like Novak would care if he had read or heard it. :lol:

NadalPhan
11-16-2011, 02:17 PM
I tried to clarify what Tsonga actually said in full, which is not clear when you read the thread title and given the fact that not every MTF'er can understand French, I translated a bit more.

Fair enough Sir...

Naudio Spanlatine
11-16-2011, 05:12 PM
Fair enough Sir...

i love your avi:drool: :inlove:

Nole fan
11-16-2011, 05:36 PM
Yep, that's the whole point. And we've yet to see whether Djokovic will get anywhere near to Fedal's achievements. Right now I'd say it's a pretty big hill still to climb for him. 26 > 4. ;)



Tsonga may have valued his win over Fed in Wimbledon even more than possibly beating him in Paris, but I may be mistaken about this. :smoke:

Oh so now we're summing both Federer's and Nadal's achievements? That's cheating. :lol:

Nole fan
11-16-2011, 05:39 PM
I mean he is right obviously. but it's pretty clear cut, less accomplishment and less success = less prestige. in time he might become like them but also the problem is that Djokovic does not really have that distinct style or personality that Nadal and Federer have so it is difficult to compare.

certainly in 2011 beating Djokovic was a bigger deal than beating Nadal or Federer but Tsonga makes a good point about facing these guys in general in your career. maybe time will change this though, who knows.

Oh man, you're surely the most annoying rafatard here. Drop that 'disctinct style and personality" bollocks, I'd say your perception is pretty biased as usual. :rolleyes:

Mae
11-16-2011, 05:41 PM
You're arguing for the sake of arguing. Go to my first post and quote me where I said that Tsonga never said that. I didn't.

I tried to clarify what Tsonga actually said in full, which is not clear when you read the thread title and given the fact that not every MTF'er can understand French, I translated a bit more.

As an MTF'er that can't understand French thank you :)

Sunset of Age
11-16-2011, 05:53 PM
Oh so now we're summing both Federer's and Nadal's achievements? That's cheating. :lol:

Note the ';)'. ;)

BigJohn
11-16-2011, 09:35 PM
I'd say your perception is pretty biased as usual.



:tape:

Sham Kay
11-16-2011, 10:16 PM
Fair enough Sir...
Holy breasticles batman. Welcome bosom- back.. back.

Sofonda Cox
11-16-2011, 10:19 PM
I think players would get more respect out of beating that tool Murray than Faker :shrug:

Yolita
11-17-2011, 12:18 AM
I think players would get more respect out of beating that tool Murray than Faker :shrug:

Which is why Young and Bolgomolov got much more respect when they beat Murray than Federer got after beating Djokovic at the French Open. Fed fans still talk about that as if it was a Grand Slam title! :lol:

Saberq
11-17-2011, 12:59 AM
Which is why Young and Bolgomolov got much more respect when they beat Murray than Federer got after beating Djokovic at the French Open. Fed fans still talk about that as if it was a Grand Slam title! :lol:

well they had nothing to celebrate for a long time....god forbid Fed wins WTF...imagine how pissed off they will be when he fails to win a Slam again at the AO

tripwires
11-17-2011, 01:08 AM
Pissed off? :lol: I'd be sad, but not pissed off. ;) And Roger being the first person to defeat Nole was certainly something to celebrate - shows that he's still got it, every now and then.

Roadmap
11-17-2011, 01:13 AM
I am currently imagining how pissed off Saberq will be when that Australian open success that he thinks is in the bag for Djokovic next year doesn't come to fruition. :D

Saberq
11-17-2011, 02:17 AM
I am currently imagining how pissed off Saberq will be when that Australian open success that he thinks is in the bag for Djokovic next year doesn't come to fruition. :D

haha I never think it is in the bag ....I do think he is the favorite and the best player on that surface

chammer44
11-17-2011, 02:55 AM
Djokovic's aura is in the making.

Clownga is a fully matured buffoon.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
11-17-2011, 11:35 PM
so if i get this straight

Tsonga said Nole has not yet reached the peak levels of achievment and aura that federer and nadal used to have- he also asked for this comment to not be taken out of context

nole fans are insulted why?

do 4 slams = 10 and 16 slams now?

Sunset of Age
11-18-2011, 12:07 AM
so if i get this straight

Tsonga said Nole has not yet reached the peak levels of achievment and aura that federer and nadal used to have- he also asked for this comment to not be taken out of context

nole tards are insulted why?

do 4 slams = 10 and 16 slams now?

Corrected that for you. :angel:
Yep, nothing wrong with what Tsonga said, and I can't believe the schtick he's getting for it. :o

Tsonga is a nice, straight-forward fellow, and just expressed the obvious.

Yolita
11-18-2011, 05:07 AM
so if i get this straight

Tsonga said Nole has not yet reached the peak levels of achievment and aura that federer and nadal used to have- he also asked for this comment to not be taken out of context

nole fans are insulted why?

do 4 slams = 10 and 16 slams now?

We're not insulted. Of course what Tsonga said was true. Novak is at the beginning (hopefully) of his career. He may never win another slam...We don't know.

Still, it was strange that Tsonga mentioned Rafa and Roger when he was asked about Nole. It says something about Tsonga. It advertised the fact that he has too much respect for them, to bring them up when nobody has.

He paid the price.

And I, for one, wasn't surprised to see him fold to Roger in the second set, playing really well, except when it mattered. :)

TBkeeper
11-18-2011, 01:13 PM
DAVYDENKO AND TSONGA the most straight forward personalities on tour !

Egreen
11-18-2011, 01:32 PM
We're not insulted. Of course what Tsonga said was true. Novak is at the beginning (hopefully) of his career. He may never win another slam...We don't know.

Still, it was strange that Tsonga mentioned Rafa and Roger when he was asked about Nole. It says something about Tsonga. It advertised the fact that he has too much respect for them, to bring them up when nobody has.

He paid the price.

And I, for one, wasn't surprised to see him fold to Roger in the second set, playing really well, except when it mattered. :)

Djoko is at the middle of his career. His prime began in 2007 when he was winning masters series and reaching slam finals. His peak years began in 2011.

Everko
02-20-2012, 05:19 PM
DAVYDENKO AND TSONGA the most straight forward personalities on tour !

nonsense

munZe konZa
02-20-2012, 05:26 PM
I am currently imagining how pissed off Saberq will be when that Australian open success that he thinks is in the bag for Djokovic next year doesn't come to fruition. :D

Saberq was a genius obviously compared to you.

Naudio Spanlatine
02-20-2012, 07:03 PM
I so forgot about this thread, pure gold:haha: :haha:

ossie
02-20-2012, 07:23 PM
clownga looking even more like a clown right now.

Alex999
02-20-2012, 08:35 PM
nonsense
exactly. Tsonga can think whatever he wants, everyone is entailed to their opinion... I just find Tsonga not to be too intelligent, but whatever. I mean what did he really achieved (comparing to Nole, Rog and Nadal), nothing. one thing that I really don't like about Tsonga is that he has a huge mouth. he is still unable to cover his game with his big mouth and he can only dream about being as good as Nole, Rafa or Fed. It's not happening.

I remember back in 2008 how much support he was getting at the AO (and on MTF). sure he was a fresh face, an underdog but I really find him boring nowadays. He lost every important match to Novak, Rog and Nadal (except that win against Nadal at the AO 2008).

BigJohn
02-20-2012, 09:34 PM
exactly. Tsonga can think whatever he wants, everyone is entailed to their opinion... I just find Tsonga not to be too intelligent

Tsonga can think whatever he wants... but he is stupid because he does not blindly worship Nole :rolleyes:

alfonsojose
02-21-2012, 12:29 AM
16 > 10 > 5 :yeah:

Mr. Oracle
02-21-2012, 01:35 AM
This insubordinate comment by Clownga still makes me mad. Hasn't he learned his place yet?

Thunderfish8
02-21-2012, 01:38 AM
Unfortunately, he cannot beat Djokovic so he does not know the meaning of beating him. This is just a stupid assumption.

BigJohn
02-21-2012, 02:49 AM
This spot-on comment by Clownga still makes me mad.

fixed

This is not even open for debate.

Alex999
02-21-2012, 03:48 AM
Tsonga can think whatever he wants... but he is stupid because he does not blindly worship Nole :rolleyes:
I don't give a sh!t if Tsonga is supporting Nole or not. He simply tends to say stupid things in his interviews. that's all bud. I couldn't care less about Tsonga and what he says or what he does. He'll never win a major. again I find his interviews extremely unintelligent. He is probably bitter than Novak simply destroyed him at the AO and Wimbledon.

EliSter
02-21-2012, 04:09 AM
16 > 10 > 5 :yeah:

When u dont have anything smart and usefull to say always use this.^

BigJohn
02-21-2012, 04:28 AM
I don't give a sh!t if Tsonga is supporting Nole or not. He simply tends to say stupid things in his interviews. that's all bud. I couldn't care less about Tsonga and what he says or what he does. He'll never win a major. again I find his interviews extremely unintelligent. He is probably bitter than Novak simply destroyed him at the AO and Wimbledon.

And yet, in this very case, what he said is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He just called it like it is.

What he said is a lot more intelligent than a couple of things in the very post I quoted. When you think about it, it is pretty rich coming from you.

Alex999
02-21-2012, 04:45 AM
And yet, in this very case, what he said is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He just called it like it is.

What he said is a lot more intelligent than a couple of things in the very post I quoted. When you think about it, it is pretty rich coming from you.
what is the truth? winning against the best player in the world (#1) is less meaningful than winning against #2 #3. how? whatever.

on another hand, you hate Djokovic and you always post stuff against him.... I mean go for it if it makes you happy.

BigJohn
02-21-2012, 04:56 AM
what is the truth? winning against the best player in the world (#1) is less meaningful than winning against #2 #3. how? whatever.


Hum... Perhaps the truth is that winning against a 16 times slam winner or a 10 times slam winner is more meaningful than winning against a guy that has won 3 times or 2 times less than that amount?

That would make sense to most people.

Pirata.
02-21-2012, 05:36 AM
Noletards :hug:

Sophocles
02-21-2012, 10:50 AM
He lost every important match to Novak, Rog and Nadal (except that win against Nadal at the AO 2008).

Phew! Thank God that awful memory of his beating Fed from 2 sets down at Wimbledon was just a bad dream!

Sophocles
02-21-2012, 10:52 AM
Unfortunately, he cannot beat Djokovic so he does not know the meaning of beating him. This is just a stupid assumption.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=D643&oId=T786

MagicMilan
02-21-2012, 12:50 PM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=D643&oId=T786
WTF? How can a walkover count into their h2h???

Sophocles
02-21-2012, 02:27 PM
WTF? How can a walkover count into their h2h???

I don't think they've counted it in the 5-4.

Johnbert
02-21-2012, 02:32 PM
WTF? How can a walkover count into their h2h???

walkover doesn't count, otherwise h2h would be 6-4 tsonga.

StoGas
02-21-2012, 02:36 PM
He can't tell what is the worth of winning against djokovic. Nobody did it when he is ok.

simplet
02-21-2012, 02:45 PM
I was just reading about a 20 year old guy in the uk who speaks 11 languages... Then I closed the tab and my browser switched to this thread...

I think I need to reconsider what I'm doing with my life...

luie
02-21-2012, 02:59 PM
Nadull the moonballer is ordinary of clay by all
Time great standards.

jrm
02-21-2012, 03:01 PM
media sees it differently

Raiden
02-21-2012, 03:35 PM
Much ado about diddly squat.

Tsonga didn't say anything whatsoever that can be considered a negative attack on Djokovic. Not one thing. And no, there is no way it can be misinterpreted despite the transparent spin (lying by omission) put on by the thread's OP.

So the only thing this thread indicates is that there is an abundant amount of low IQ level and illiteracy among noletards.

Alex999
02-21-2012, 04:12 PM
Phew! Thank God that awful memory of his beating Fed from 2 sets down at Wimbledon was just a bad dream!
shoot. I forgot about W. my bad. still he wasn't able to back it up and he lost to Djokovic in semis. Tsonga is capable of playing a great match but at the end he always bumps into someone who is better than him...

you know what, I actually couldn't care less what Tsonga thinks.

electronicmusic
02-21-2012, 04:18 PM
too sensible.

what you failed to mention was that tsonga pulled his dick out, pissed on a photo of Novak while he was saying it and then called Dijana a whore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXJ1GrPbXDc&feature=related

reery
02-21-2012, 04:22 PM
shoot. I forgot about W. my bad. still he wasn't able to back it up and he lost to Djokovic in semis. Tsonga is capable of playing a great match but at the end he always bumps into someone who is better than him...

you know what, I actually couldn't care less what Tsonga thinks. to me he is a nobody ...

How could you forget the most important Wimbledon match ever concerning Nole's career? You know, Tsonga upsetting the only player that would have beaten Nole at Wimbledon 2011. The moment Tsonga beat Federer, Nole was crowned Wimbledon champ. Tsonga is unable to beat two top 4 players back to back at slams. Which is why it wll be almost impossible for him to win a slam. This year will be tougher for Nole to win Wimbledon.

Big_Juicy
02-21-2012, 04:30 PM
Well, the '10 match at the Aussie Open it was clearly visible on TV that Djokovic was struggling with food poisoning and after going up 2-1 in sets, he went to the washroom to puke his guts out. From there it was all over for him. As for the other wins, definitely not a hurt or tired Djokovic, just a better Tsonga. No excuses there, but Djokovic's "I won a grand slam, so bend over for me now" attitude is to blame.

Albeit of all these matches, despite Tsonga's h2h lead, if I could choose I'd much rather have the two wins on Djokovic's end - AO final, and Wimbledon semis.

finishingmove
09-07-2012, 04:25 PM
You must vulture, my friend.