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Federer is now the most successful HC player in the Open era

alter ego
11-13-2011, 03:21 PM
1. Roger Federer 47
2. Andre Agassi 46
3. Jimmy Connors 44
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Stefan Edberg 23
7. John McEnroe 22
8. Michael Chang 21
9. Novak Djokovic 20

He's also the most successful grass player with 11 titles. :worship:

LawrenceOfTennis
11-13-2011, 03:22 PM
Were there any hard courts around in 2011?

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-13-2011, 03:23 PM
Fedtard forum

alter ego
11-13-2011, 03:25 PM
Fedtard forum

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HMorD-9vO7M/TBsGM9j9JHI/AAAAAAAAAJc/be9zKi3l-t4/s1600/KobeYouMad.jpg

rubbERR
11-13-2011, 03:26 PM
Good for Federer and Gloryhunters without meaning in life.
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And of course journalists who get some stuff to write.

Saberq
11-13-2011, 03:26 PM
Congrats Roger

Gillouthe best
11-13-2011, 03:27 PM
Great for Roger, Nice to see him breaking records...

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 03:29 PM
Nice to see the record being broken. Although I reckon Djokovic has a chance to break the record if he can keep fit.

Roamed
11-13-2011, 03:29 PM
He also equalled Agassi's record for most different Masters Series events won (7/9) :) Seems to be breaking records whenever he steps on court these days.

alter ego
11-13-2011, 03:30 PM
He also equalled Agassi's record for most different Masters Series events won (7/9) :) Seems to be breaking records whenever he steps on court these days.

He has the chance to win YEC for the 6 time two weeks form now. An absolute record.:)

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-13-2011, 03:31 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HMorD-9vO7M/TBsGM9j9JHI/AAAAAAAAAJc/be9zKi3l-t4/s1600/KobeYouMad.jpg

2011

Australian Open: Djokovic
French Open: Nadal
Wimbledon: Djokovic
US Open: Djokovic

Why should I be mad.
Federer is not good enough to win GrandSlams in an era with 2 elite players.

castle007
11-13-2011, 03:32 PM
I was actually searching for this stat, because I had a feeling that he was equalling/breaking it with today's win. Thanks for the confirmation!!

Federer is simply amazing! I don't want to jinx him though.

GSMnadal
11-13-2011, 03:35 PM
congrats Roger on confirming what we have known for a long time :o

rubbERR
11-13-2011, 03:35 PM
2011

Australian Open: Djokovic
French Open: Nadal
Wimbledon: Djokovic
US Open: Djokovic

Why should I be mad.
Federer is not good enough to win GrandSlams in an era with 2 elite players.

There has been other years too than 2011 man, didnt u get internet connection that cave you living until this year?

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 03:37 PM
2011

Australian Open: Djokovic
French Open: Nadal
Wimbledon: Djokovic
US Open: Djokovic

Why should I be mad.
Federer is not good enough to win GrandSlams in an era with 2 elite players.

We'll see if Rafa/Novak are in that list when they're 30 :lol:

alter ego
11-13-2011, 03:38 PM
2011

Australian Open: Djokovic
French Open: Nadal
Wimbledon: Djokovic
US Open: Djokovic

Why should I be mad.
Federer is not good enough to win GrandSlams in an era with 2 elite players.

Good thing to know that Nadal and Djokovic weren't playing tennis in 2007,2008,2009 and 2010. And that 2011 is by itself an era. :rolleyes:

BTW hater, this thread is about Federer and HC record, if you don't have anything to say about this then STFU.

castle007
11-13-2011, 03:40 PM
He also equalled Agassi's record for most different Masters Series events won (7/9) :) Seems to be breaking records whenever he steps on court these days.

Today he actually matched/surpassed Agassi in several stats. They are now the only 2 players to have won the FO and Paris masters. Federer now has surpassed Agassi's tally of 17 Master, and is in 2nd place alone. And he also equalled the stat you mentioned, and also beat Agassi's HC title record.

SetSampras
11-13-2011, 03:45 PM
It helps when for 4 years or so his main rival didn't know how to play on hardcourts during that time and didn't really learn until 08-09. Then you just have Roddick or Hewitt or Murray like statures for opponents or 50 year old Agassi to play in finals. Not like having legit hardcourt competition like Sampras or Agassi primed on hardcourts or McEnroe etc.. The most impressive opponent he had on hardcourts was Safin at the AO 6 years ago who beat him or Nole or Rafa at the AO a primed Nole at the AO and USO this year. Other then that, his opponents have been weak on the hard stuff

LawrenceOfTennis
11-13-2011, 03:46 PM
It helps when for 4 years or so his main rival didn't know how to play on hardcourts during that time and didn't really learn until 08-09. Then you just have Roddick or Hewitt or Murray like statures for opponents. Not like having legit hardcourt competition like Sampras or Agassi on hardcourts or McEnroe etc

This.

Modetopia
11-13-2011, 03:49 PM
it's must be hurt someone just suck @ indoor season...:p

alter ego
11-13-2011, 03:57 PM
It helps when for 4 years or so his main rival didn't know how to play on hardcourts during that time and didn't really learn until 08-09. Then you just have Roddick or Hewitt or Murray like statures for opponents or 50 year old Agassi to play in finals. Not like having legit hardcourt competition like Sampras or Agassi primed on hardcourts or McEnroe etc.. The most impressive opponent he had on hardcourts was Safin at the AO 6 years ago who beat him or Nole or Rafa at the AO a primed Nole at the AO and USO this year. Other then that, his opponents have been weak on the hard stuff

Obviosuly he didn't face HC giants like Pioline, Todd Martin, Muster, Moya, Rios, Kuerten.

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 03:58 PM
It helps when for 4 years or so his main rival didn't know how to play on hardcourts during that time and didn't really learn until 08-09. Then you just have Roddick or Hewitt or Murray like statures for opponents or 50 year old Agassi to play in finals. Not like having legit hardcourt competition like Sampras or Agassi primed on hardcourts or McEnroe etc.. The most impressive opponent he had on hardcourts was Safin at the AO 6 years ago who beat him or Nole or Rafa at the AO a primed Nole at the AO and USO this year. Other then that, his opponents have been weak on the hard stuff

This is so silly, to begin with you shouldnt talk bad about Hewitt the way he completely dominated Sampras. When Sampras was Feds age he couldnt win a set against Hewitt nowhere. He was pretty lucky to not have peak Hewitt around in his peak.

Roger the Dodger
11-13-2011, 04:02 PM
What about hardcourt monster Nadal?

Pirata.
11-13-2011, 04:04 PM
Always nice to see that Fed breaking records left and right is still hurting SetSampras :)

Spectacular ACC campaigning after a few weeks lull.

Shirogane
11-13-2011, 04:11 PM
I didn't know for Djokovic... I'm impressed.

madmax
11-13-2011, 04:14 PM
It helps when for 4 years or so his main rival didn't know how to play on hardcourts during that time and didn't really learn until 08-09. Then you just have Roddick or Hewitt or Murray like statures for opponents or 50 year old Agassi to play in finals. Not like having legit hardcourt competition like Sampras or Agassi primed on hardcourts or McEnroe etc.. The most impressive opponent he had on hardcourts was Safin at the AO 6 years ago who beat him or Nole or Rafa at the AO a primed Nole at the AO and USO this year. Other then that, his opponents have been weak on the hard stuff

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Oh Yes, I'm mad

Sapeod
11-13-2011, 04:15 PM
Nice to see the record being broken. Although I reckon Djokovic has a chance to break the record if he can keep fit.
:haha:

Two words:

No. Way.

Saberq
11-13-2011, 04:20 PM
:haha:

Two words:

No. Way.

where is Murray on that list????oh wait.....Murray is not in the same league as Novak on hardcourt

Orka_n
11-13-2011, 04:24 PM
Goaterer :hatoff:

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 04:26 PM
:haha:

Two words:

No. Way.

Why not :confused: I reckon he can come close if he keeps himself fit. If he does, he has got another 2/3 years at the top. He's nearly half-way there.

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 04:27 PM
Why not :confused: I reckon he can come close if he keeps himself fit. If he does, he has got another 2/3 years at the top. He's nearly half-way there.

Djokovic is actually behind Federer at his age, so unless you think Djokovic can age like Federer he doesnt have much chanse.

Singularity
11-13-2011, 04:28 PM
where is Murray on that list????oh wait.....Murray is not in the same league as Novak on hardcourt
Murray is only 2 titles down on hardcourts. He's actually 1 ahead outside of the slams.

In best of 3 he's pretty damn good.

Egreen
11-13-2011, 04:32 PM
1. Roger Federer 47
2. Andre Agassi 46
3. Jimmy Connors 44
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Stefan Edberg 23
7. John McEnroe 22
8. Michael Chang 21
9. Novak Djokovic 20

He's also the most successful grass player with 11 titles. :worship:

:worship:

Art&Soul
11-13-2011, 04:33 PM
:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Egreen
11-13-2011, 04:38 PM
He has the chance to win YEC for the 6 time two weeks form now. An absolute record.:)
That would be awesome. Not only Federer would have more slams than Sampras but also more YECs.:cool:

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 04:38 PM
Djokovic is actually behind Federer at his age, so unless you think Djokovic can age like Federer he doesnt have much chanse.

Lol all I said was that he has a chance to do it. He is after all the best hardcourt player in the world. If he has 2 more seasons like this season who knows.

Roadmap
11-13-2011, 04:42 PM
Lol all I said was that he has a chance to do it. He is after all the best hardcourt player in the world. If he has 2 more seasons like this season who knows.

That is a big if.

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 04:42 PM
Lol all I said was that he has a chance to do it. He is after all the best hardcourt player in the world. If he has 2 more seasons like this season who knows.

Federer won none less than 10 hardcourt titles in 2006 alone, difficult for Djokovic to keep up with that pace next year.

Roadmap
11-13-2011, 04:44 PM
Federer is unequivocally the best player to ever step foot on a hardcourt.

Nole fan
11-13-2011, 04:49 PM
1. Roger Federer 47
2. Andre Agassi 46
3. Jimmy Connors 44
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Stefan Edberg 23
7. John McEnroe 22
8. Michael Chang 21
9. Novak Djokovic 20

He's also the most successful grass player with 11 titles. :worship:

Nole in the Top 10 with such illustrious names. :yeah:

Saberq
11-13-2011, 04:51 PM
Federer is unequivocally the best player to ever step foot on a hardcourt.

that's true ........overall though not on a slow hardcourt even though he kicks ass on that too

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 04:52 PM
Nole in the Top 10 with such illustrious names. :yeah:

He deserves it, in my opinion he is up there with Agassi and Sampras on hardcourts.

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 04:54 PM
Federer with this tournament also goes up to nr1 in the career W/L porcentage, now with 0.827 he goes ahead of Lendl with 0.826 and Connors with 0.825 as nr1.

He still has to go past Agassi in hardcourt master series titles, but is nr1 in grand slam hardcourt titles.

juan27
11-13-2011, 05:02 PM
Federer with this tournament also goes up to nr1 in the career W/L porcentage, now with 0.827 he goes ahead of Lendl with 0.826 and Connors with 0.825 as nr1.

He still has to go past Agassi in hardcourt master series titles, but is nr1 in grand slam hardcourt titles.

poor setsampras........

federer recordīs are hurting very much.

great hardcort competition like chang , pioline , moya ,martin and more.

with agassi down of n 100 and satured of tennis for 2 years , his main rival in hardcourts out of tennis.

nadal learned played in hard or the rivals were more weaks?????

he was take advantage of the past peak federer and pre peak nole in fast courts

GOAT = Fed
11-13-2011, 05:08 PM
Federer with this tournament also goes up to nr1 in the career W/L porcentage, now with 0.827 he goes ahead of Lendl with 0.826 and Connors with 0.825 as nr1.

He still has to go past Agassi in hardcourt master series titles, but is nr1 in grand slam hardcourt titles.

WOW! :worship:

That is truly an amazing record! :eek:

Chirag
11-13-2011, 05:11 PM
Nole in the Top 10 with such illustrious names. :yeah:

Of course he will be .He is a great player on the hards and definately better than some names above him .Lets hope he goes up a lot too :D

Federer though no 1 now :D:D .I think he has completed the hard court collection too :D Great achievement

Nole fan
11-13-2011, 05:14 PM
is there any record left for federer? :lol:

Dougie
11-13-2011, 05:16 PM
Not to take anything away from Federer, but the whole concept of surfaces ( as well as the tour) has changed so much that itīs pretty pointless to compare players from different eras. Hard courts ( outdoor and indoor) nowadays are almost as slow as clay, and there are no carpets.
Connors, for example, has 44 hc titles as well as 44 carpet titles. Thatīs pretty impressive. If there would be carpet events nowadays, Federer would undoubtly have less hc titles.
But before someone calls me a hater: itīs still a great result for Federer!!

abraxas21
11-13-2011, 05:16 PM
is there any record left for federer? :lol:

number of weeks at no. 1 is the most important one left. he's one week shy of sampras and would have broken it if not for soderling beating him in RG last year.

now he'll most likely never get to no. 1 again

Nole fan
11-13-2011, 05:17 PM
number of weeks at no. 1 is the most important one left.

he's one week shy of sampras and would have broken it if not for soderling beating him in RG last year

Yeah, that was unfortunate. Just 1 week. Wow. You think he cares?

abraxas21
11-13-2011, 05:26 PM
nah, it was destiny

Pea
11-13-2011, 05:33 PM
Still writing records past age 30. This Federer is good!

Seingeist
11-13-2011, 05:39 PM
Congrats, GOAT! Well-deserved record for the living HC legend.

DrJules
11-13-2011, 05:40 PM
2011

Australian Open: Djokovic
French Open: Nadal
Wimbledon: Djokovic
US Open: Djokovic

Why should I be mad.
Federer is not good enough to win GrandSlams in an era with 2 elite players.

Federer also leads the most successful Grand Slam player of any era.

buzz
11-13-2011, 06:05 PM
Big champ this Federer.

Some disrespectfull comments. For now he has won the most hardcourt titles. And that should be a big achievment on a menstennisforum.

ssj100
11-13-2011, 06:17 PM
Federer with this tournament also goes up to nr1 in the career W/L porcentage, now with 0.827 he goes ahead of Lendl with 0.826 and Connors with 0.825 as nr1.

He still has to go past Agassi in hardcourt master series titles, but is nr1 in grand slam hardcourt titles.

Firstly, nice to see SetSampras still around haha.

Secondly, where did you get the stats for this sexybeast? According to Wikipedia, Federer's singles record is:
802–186 (81.17%)

Therefore Federer has a 0.812 W/L percentage right?

Jaz
11-13-2011, 06:23 PM
The disparity could be something to do with the DC?

SetSampras
11-13-2011, 06:35 PM
This was a classical garbage collection of mugs these past 2 weeks. Don't deny it. . No one else playing well around and Fed wins his only two titles in 11 months. Whats so great about that? Wodgie needs his 2 daddy's absent to win? GOAT GOAT GOAT.

alter ego
11-13-2011, 06:41 PM
This was a classical garbage collection of mugs these past 2 weeks. Don't deny it. . No one else playing well around and Fed wins his only two titles in 11 months. Whats so great about that? Wodgie needs his 2 daddy's absent to win? GOAT GOAT GOAT.

Remind us again how many titles clay court clown Sampras won in 2001?

solowyn
11-13-2011, 06:42 PM
Firstly, nice to see SetSampras still around haha.

Secondly, where did you get the stats for this sexybeast? According to Wikipedia, Federer's singles record is:
802–186 (81.17%)

Therefore Federer has a 0.812 W/L percentage right?
Presumably she is including hard court matches only, in the percentage.

ssj100
11-13-2011, 06:43 PM
This was a classical garbage collection of mugs these past 2 weeks. Don't deny it. . No one else playing well around and Fed wins his only two titles in 11 months. Whats so great about that? Wodgie needs his 2 daddy's absent to win? GOAT GOAT GOAT.

The thing about sports is that it's pretty simple. If you play badly, you tend to lose, and if you play well, you tend to win.

So therefore it's the people who play well who tend to win right? And therefore the people who win are great right? Winning any Masters or Grand Slam tournament is a decent achievement, no matter the circumstances, as you tend to have many top 20-30 players playing in it.

The fact is that Federer "sux so badly right now" (or "the field has over-taken him so badly right now", whichever you fancy) and yet he is still winning significant titles. That's the mark of a GOAT.

Jaz
11-13-2011, 06:47 PM
This was a classical garbage collection of mugs these past 2 weeks. Don't deny it. . No one else playing well around and Fed wins his only two titles in 11 months. Whats so great about that? Wodgie needs his 2 daddy's absent to win? GOAT GOAT GOAT.

Sampras aged 30 in 2001. He was out in the 4R in Aus, 2R in French :eek:, 4R Wimbly, and F in USO
0 titles.. Was number 10 in the world.

spencercarlos
11-13-2011, 06:48 PM
number of weeks at no. 1 is the most important one left. he's one week shy of sampras and would have broken it if not for soderling beating him in RG last year.

now he'll most likely never get to no. 1 again
That record is shitty when you know Federer held the top ranking for the most consecutive weeks men or woman. 4 and a half years...


:wavey:

rocketassist
11-13-2011, 06:50 PM
Still needs one more Wimbledon to become grass GOAT, mind.

No sane Sampras fan sticks up for these brick wall ralliers over the pro-active serve and touch players.

ssj100
11-13-2011, 06:55 PM
Sampras aged 30 in 2001. He was out in the 4R in Aus, 2R in French :eek:, 4R Wimbly, and F in USO
0 titles.. Was number 10 in the world.

There's no doubt that Federer was much more consistent over a longer period of time than Sampras. 10 consecutive GS finals, 23 consecutive GS semis and 30 consecutive GS quarters (and counting), and he's not missed any GS tournaments for I don't know how long. I could pull out more crazy stats, but I think that pretty much sums up the definition of the tennis GOAT. No one comes close.

Roadmap
11-13-2011, 06:57 PM
Still needs one more Wimbledon to become grass GOAT, mind.

No sane Sampras fan sticks up for these brick wall ralliers over the pro-active serve and touch players.

The last word that comes to mind when one thinks of SetSampras :D

abraxas21
11-13-2011, 07:00 PM
lol at SetSampras... so bitter

abraxas21
11-13-2011, 07:01 PM
That record is shitty when you know Federer held the top ranking for the most consecutive weeks men or woman. 4 and a half years...


:wavey:

no, it isn't. total number of weeks at no. 1 is quite important. more, i'd say, than consecutive weeks at no. 1.

Sham Kay
11-13-2011, 07:09 PM
Whoop de do.. aren't tennis records broken all the fricken time?

Yeah, by Federer.

Oh yeah..

Matt01
11-13-2011, 07:32 PM
That record is shitty when you know Federer held the top ranking for the most consecutive weeks men or woman. 4 and a half years...


:wavey:


And consecutive is more important than overall? Oh, Spencer :facepalm:

oz_boz
11-13-2011, 08:46 PM
It helps when for 4 years or so his main rival didn't know how to play on hardcourts during that time and didn't really learn until 08-09. Then you just have Roddick or Hewitt or Murray like statures for opponents or 50 year old Agassi to play in finals. Not like having legit hardcourt competition like Sampras or Agassi primed on hardcourts or McEnroe etc.. The most impressive opponent he had on hardcourts was Safin at the AO 6 years ago who beat him or Nole or Rafa at the AO a primed Nole at the AO and USO this year. Other then that, his opponents have been weak on the hard stuff

:haha: like the competition on hc is what sucks during Fed's era, now you are really far out.

Competition on grass, and even more so on clay, that's what sucks BIG time these days when hc dominates the tour. Guess who made the RG final at 30 but didn't get that far in any other Slam, event though clay is his worst surface? ;)

SetSampras
11-13-2011, 08:57 PM
It doesn't completely suck.. But lets go back in time... Nadal with 0 SEMIS APPEARANCES for the entire time of 05-08 at the HC slams? Fed's best years.. 50 year old Agassi at the AO and USO? Safin was a solid on hardcourt but was either injured the whole time or not committed to the game. But he could take out Fed. Nalbandian could take Fed out on hardcourts as he showed at the Masters but he couldnt bring it together for the slams. Murray is decent but still a slam pretender.. Tsonga is erratic.. Nole was awesome this year and at the 08 AO.. But most of 08-10 he underachieved. Roddick is a mug. He was abused by OLD Sampras at the USO, and OLD Agassi on hardcourts who posted a 5-1 h2h over Roddick. Hewitt was solid until the 05 time period then took a complete downturn.. All in all. it ain't that great. The main guys Nole and Nadal didn't hit their stride until AFTER Fed's ended on hardcourts

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 08:58 PM
Firstly, nice to see SetSampras still around haha.

Secondly, where did you get the stats for this sexybeast? According to Wikipedia, Federer's singles record is:
802–186 (81.17%)

Therefore Federer has a 0.812 W/L percentage right?

Hardcourt W/L as this is a thread about hardcourt.

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 09:04 PM
Stop with this Setsampras, Federer is much greater 2011 than Sampras was 2001 no matter how you look at things.

SaFed2005
11-13-2011, 09:08 PM
Obviosuly he didn't face HC giants like Pioline, Todd Martin, Muster, Moya, Rios, Kuerten.

hahahahaahhaahahaha
poor setsampras

oz_boz
11-13-2011, 09:16 PM
It doesn't completely suck.. But lets go back in time... Nadal with 0 SEMIS APPEARANCES for the entire time of 05-08 at the HC slams? Fed's best years.. 50 year old Agassi at the AO and USO? Safin was a solid on hardcourt but was either injured the whole time or not committed to the game. But he could take out Fed. Nalbandian could take Fed out on hardcourts as he showed at the Masters but he couldnt bring it together for the slams. Murray is decent but still a slam pretender.. Tsonga is erratic.. Nole was awesome this year and at the 08 AO.. But most of 08-10 he underachieved. Roddick is a mug. He was abused by OLD Sampras at the USO, and OLD Agassi on hardcourts who posted a 5-1 h2h over Roddick. Hewitt was solid until the 05 time period then took a complete downturn.. All in all. it ain't that great. The main guys Nole and Nadal didn't hit their stride until AFTER Fed's ended on hardcourts

Of course, you can twist it the way you want :) To call Roddick a mug is funny but stupid, how old was he when he was beaten by Sampras, not really prime for a tennis player eh? Djokovic "didn't hit his stride" but good enough to beat Fed middle 07; Nadal same but 04. Hewitt and Safin were actually a good deal better than "solid" until 05, at least good enough to abuse your favourite on hc. Murray is good enough to beat Nadal on hc slams in Nadal's prime but only a slam pretender...and so on.

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 09:16 PM
It doesn't completely suck.. But lets go back in time... Nadal with 0 SEMIS APPEARANCES for the entire time of 05-08 at the HC slams? Fed's best years.. 50 year old Agassi at the AO and USO? Safin was a solid on hardcourt but was either injured the whole time or not committed to the game. But he could take out Fed. Nalbandian could take Fed out on hardcourts as he showed at the Masters but he couldnt bring it together for the slams. Murray is decent but still a slam pretender.. Tsonga is erratic.. Nole was awesome this year and at the 08 AO.. But most of 08-10 he underachieved. Roddick is a mug. He was abused by OLD Sampras at the USO, and OLD Agassi on hardcourts who posted a 5-1 h2h over Roddick. Hewitt was solid until the 05 time period then took a complete downturn.. All in all. it ain't that great. The main guys Nole and Nadal didn't hit their stride until AFTER Fed's ended on hardcourts

You can simplify things like this to whatever cause you want to promote. Little analysis, just a bunch of crap thrown out, incoherent and without any thought behind except the joy of throwing a tantrum out of frustation.

Funny you say some players have talent like Nalbandian, Safin, Hewitt. Players who Federer constantly beat during his peak, 8-0 against Hewitt in slams, Nalbandian he beat in all slams, Safin he lead the h2h 10-2. Oh and he beat Djokovic 5 times in slams, including one when he was 30 years old, Sampras couldnt even get a set against teen Hewitt when he was 30 years old.

cardio
11-13-2011, 09:16 PM
Nice to see the record being broken. Although I reckon Djokovic has a chance to break the record if he can keep fit.

Cīmon , lets be real. Djoko is lightyears away, he needs 28 more titles on hard. He had the most dominant tennis year in decades and grabbed only 6 this year. So he needs 4(!!) MORE years like 2011 + 4 on other seasons. Mission impossible. He is lucky if he gets past Lendl, top3 are out of reach .

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 09:21 PM
Roddick is Federer's Ivanisevic with some more diversity as he could play on hardcourt and grass. Roddick actually was until recently dangerous for the likes of Djokovic and Nadal on hardcourt, I dont think him losing to Sampras when he was a teen and ranked outside top 15 2002 is much of an important information, but I do think he would be a good matchup for Sampras.

Comparing Sampras to Federer however is stupid, Sampras cant win any way you meassure them. Sampras is a special player in his own right, but Federer has surpassed him in every way. If you want to make a case against Federer beeing the GOAT include Laver into the debate and you have a point.

MIMIC
11-13-2011, 09:22 PM
Federer still breaking records? MTF Fed tards told me he retired 2 years ago. :eek: Someone needs to look into this.

Jaz
11-13-2011, 09:25 PM
It doesn't completely suck.. But lets go back in time... Nadal with 0 SEMIS APPEARANCES for the entire time of 05-08 at the HC slams? Fed's best years.. 50 year old Agassi at the AO and USO? Safin was a solid on hardcourt but was either injured the whole time or not committed to the game. But he could take out Fed. Nalbandian could take Fed out on hardcourts as he showed at the Masters but he couldnt bring it together for the slams. Murray is decent but still a slam pretender.. Tsonga is erratic.. Nole was awesome this year and at the 08 AO.. But most of 08-10 he underachieved. Roddick is a mug. He was abused by OLD Sampras at the USO, and OLD Agassi on hardcourts who posted a 5-1 h2h over Roddick. Hewitt was solid until the 05 time period then took a complete downturn.. All in all. it ain't that great. The main guys Nole and Nadal didn't hit their stride until AFTER Fed's ended on hardcourts

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SetSampras
11-13-2011, 09:27 PM
Of course, you can twist it the way you want :) To call Roddick a mug is funny but stupid, how old was he when he was beaten by Sampras, not really prime for a tennis player eh? Djokovic "didn't hit his stride" but good enough to beat Fed middle 07; Nadal same but 04. Hewitt and Safin were actually a good deal better than "solid" until 05, at least good enough to abuse your favourite on hc. Murray is good enough to beat Nadal on hc slams in Nadal's prime but only a slam pretender...and so on.



Twist WHAT exactly? Or is it FACT. OLD Sampras and OLD Agassi were beating Roddick before Fed started dominating. Roddick was never a great player.. Any objective level headed fan of the game will tell you that. You want to argue Safin and Nalbandian as succeassful tennis players? What the fuck did Nalbandian ever do at slams??? I'll be waiting.. Then get back to me. Safin showed up once ever 5 years to play tennis. Hewitt post 2005 was finished as a threat.

Slamless Murray with 0 SETS won in slam finals is a pretender. Gimme a damn break. Ill take Nadal now who has both hardcourt slams.. You can take Murray with 0 SLAMS!!

And no Djoker didn't hit his real stride until this year.. What was DJoker doing pre 2011 outside of his AO win? Losing to guys like Kohlschreiber, Roddick, and others at slams. Everyone knows Nole was underachieving until he got his crap together this year.

Acer
11-13-2011, 09:29 PM
Goat :worship:

oz_boz
11-13-2011, 09:42 PM
Twist WHAT exactly? Or is it FACT. OLD Sampras and OLD Agassi were beating Roddick before Fed started dominating. Roddick was never a great player.. Any objective level headed fan of the game will tell you that. You want to argue Safin and Nalbandian as succeassful tennis players? What the fuck did Nalbandian ever do at slams??? I'll be waiting.. Then get back to me. Safin showed up once ever 5 years to play tennis. Hewitt post 2005 was finished as a threat.

Slamless Murray with 0 SETS won in slam finals is a pretender. Gimme a damn break. Ill take Nadal now who has both hardcourt slams.. You can take Murray with 0 SLAMS!!

And no Djoker didn't hit his real stride until this year.. What was DJoker doing pre 2011 outside of his AO win? Losing to guys like Kohlschreiber, Roddick, and others at slams. Everyone knows Nole was underachieving until he got his crap together this year.

:lol: I don't even mention Nalbandian in my post. So wait all you want for me to get back. Whether it is a "fact" that e.g. Roddick is a mug, Safin played for real only every 5 years and such, I'll leave for you to find out. Seems you have a long way to go, but good luck anyway.

venky91
11-13-2011, 09:45 PM
Pete Mugpras at number 4 :haha:

sexybeast
11-13-2011, 10:00 PM
To SetSampras: Federer 2011 didnt lose to anyone outside the top 20, Sampras 2001 lost 7 times to players outside the top 50...

Also, one more thing. You seem to forget that Roddick had a leading 2-1 h2h against Sampras. Roddick defeated Sampras in Miami when he was 18 ranked 119 and Sampras 29. Not much to make a fuss about, but in the case of someone making a fuss about almost anything, this is quite hilarious.

spencercarlos
11-13-2011, 11:19 PM
And consecutive is more important than overall? Oh, Spencer :facepalm:
Well i did not exactly meant to say that most consecutive > overall weeks at number one.

But Federer is one week shy of tying that record.

Now that most consecutive weeks at number one was a record last set from 1987 to 1991 by Steffi Graf, 186 weeks she had, Federer was number one for 237 consecutive weeks, that is a lot of time, probably a record that would stand forever, and the second player behind him is about 100 weeks apart...

To be honest the consecutive weeks record is more difficult to achieve that the overall... but that could be only my view.

mark73
11-13-2011, 11:25 PM
Twist WHAT exactly? Or is it FACT. OLD Sampras and OLD Agassi were beating Roddick before Fed started dominating. Roddick was never a great player.. Any objective level headed fan of the game will tell you that. You want to argue Safin and Nalbandian as succeassful tennis players? What the fuck did Nalbandian ever do at slams??? I'll be waiting.. Then get back to me. Safin showed up once ever 5 years to play tennis. Hewitt post 2005 was finished as a threat.

Slamless Murray with 0 SETS won in slam finals is a pretender. Gimme a damn break. Ill take Nadal now who has both hardcourt slams.. You can take Murray with 0 SLAMS!!

And no Djoker didn't hit his real stride until this year.. What was DJoker doing pre 2011 outside of his AO win? Losing to guys like Kohlschreiber, Roddick, and others at slams. Everyone knows Nole was underachieving until he got his crap together this year.

You need a new hobby.

spencercarlos
11-13-2011, 11:25 PM
Twist WHAT exactly? Or is it FACT. OLD Sampras and OLD Agassi were beating Roddick before Fed started dominating. Roddick was never a great player.. Any objective level headed fan of the game will tell you that. You want to argue Safin and Nalbandian as succeassful tennis players? What the fuck did Nalbandian ever do at slams??? I'll be waiting.. Then get back to me. Safin showed up once ever 5 years to play tennis. Hewitt post 2005 was finished as a threat.

Slamless Murray with 0 SETS won in slam finals is a pretender. Gimme a damn break. Ill take Nadal now who has both hardcourt slams.. You can take Murray with 0 SLAMS!!

And no Djoker didn't hit his real stride until this year.. What was DJoker doing pre 2011 outside of his AO win? Losing to guys like Kohlschreiber, Roddick, and others at slams. Everyone knows Nole was underachieving until he got his crap together this year.
Old Sampras only got to beat young-green Roddick ONCE... in fact he trails the head to head to Andy 1-2.. :worship:

@Sweet Cleopatra
11-14-2011, 12:26 AM
Congratz Roger

Arkulari
11-14-2011, 01:27 AM
Old Sampras only got to beat young-green Roddick ONCE... in fact he trails the head to head to Andy 1-2.. :worship:

:haha: :haha: :haha: :worship:

SetSampras:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080310214950/uncyclopedia/images/3/3d/You_just_got_pwned.jpg

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 01:34 AM
ROFL.. Remind me what happened at the USO in 2002 again when it mattered most . I got pwned? It seems Roddick was the one pwned

Pirata.
11-14-2011, 01:43 AM
ROFL.. Remind me what happened at the USO in 2002 again when it mattered most . I got pwned? It seems Roddick was the one pwned

jxw2LfoWHkw

:wavey:

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 01:49 AM
A little Macau for ya???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WusyGZymJh8&feature=related

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 01:50 AM
[QUOTE=Pirata.;11494203]jxw2LfoWHkw

Sampras was the shadow of himself that day.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 01:51 AM
Pete was a shadow of himself in Macau at 36 years old and still took Wodgie out in straight sets.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 01:52 AM
It's a great achievement by Federer, but show me good hard courter rivals. :wavey:

mark73
11-14-2011, 01:53 AM
jxw2LfoWHkw

:wavey:

Baby fed, only 19, beating the defending champ. :lol::lol::lol:

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 01:55 AM
Baby fed, only 19, beating the defending champ. :lol::lol::lol:

Sampras played at around 60-70% that day. Still a huge win for that young Federer.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 01:56 AM
http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0902/roger-federer-roger-federer-tennis-demotivational-poster-1233721715.jpg

WAHH... I can't beat my rival



I'll just wait until he isn't around


http://caricatura.no.sapo.pt/celebrity/caricatures/Roger-Federer.jpg

mark73
11-14-2011, 01:57 AM
Sampras played at around 60-70% that day. Still a huge win for that young Federer.

Of course. :rolleyes:

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 01:57 AM
Is somebody seriously bringing up an exho to try and make a salient point?

Absolutely disgraceful idiocy. Diiiisgusting, get out of my fridge. Is this cheese even still usable now...

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 01:59 AM
Of course. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah Sampras played the match of his career and Federer didn't even care:rolleyes:
Nobody hurted Federer, I just pointed out some facts for those who started watching tennis around 2001.:wavey:

Roadmap
11-14-2011, 02:01 AM
jxw2LfoWHkw

:wavey:

Quick grass with a low bounce :drool: Lovely stuff.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:02 AM
Quick grass with a low bounce :drool: Lovely stuff.

Very few people crack me up on this forum more than you (in a good way).

Lovely stuff, you BEST be cracking open another beer as you read this. Cheers.;)

DorianGray7
11-14-2011, 02:03 AM
Ageless indeed, with Roger Federer having just won his 18th Master's Title in Paris France at age 30 in a sport where age 28 is considered the average retirement age and when so few champions have won titles past age 30, he continues to defy the odds. He has beaten every record in Tennis, gone beyond the limits of the game and have shown us impossible shots that could not exist in reality. He is Tennis as poetry in slow motion. His fluid smooth effortless style of Tennis has wooed him hundreds of millions of fans and he is renown over the entire world. An entire era in Tennis is named after him. But Roger is so much more than his Tennis, his charming "Swiss" personality, his success at finding happiness and love, his overwhelming generous charity, and his fluency in languages of Swiss German, German, French, and English. They all prove he is truly a jack of trade - a master of all - a Renaissance Man. There is nothing he can accomplish more in life, us mere mortals will be lucky to even approach his complete resume of life.

Federer is such a huge testament not to just his country but to the human race. Like the quote at Wimbledon: "May you meet triumph and tyranny and treat those two imposers just the same." The King of Kings, the greatest of all time. In the most popular individual sport know to man where every match is a duel to the death and where every victory or defeat is purely on you alone he is the calm in the storm. He's had so many heartbreaking tragic losses over the years and yet he always finds the will to keep fighting and bounce back. When he retires either next year or the next - so many people are going to be at his farewell speech to rival Napoleon's farewell to his troops at Fountainbeau crying unashamedly at a true hero of humanity leaving the stage for the very last time. His last grand slam will have a giant shadow and the heavy feeling of destiny weighing over him, the commentators, and the crowd... it will be almost unbearably sad.

His story is the story of humanity and life itself, from our highest triumphs and the most heartbreaking losses. We all have a bit of Roger Federer in us. From pure elation to the deepest agony. His story is a Greek Tragedy, a Shakespeare's sonnet, and Dante's Paradise Lost all rolled into one. His story is a story of the triumph of the human spirit. He's been my childhood hero - a true inspiration for me to succeed at everything in life. Years from now, when I'm old I will say I lived in the time of greatness. I watched him in the greatest stadium of our sport. I saw his highest triumphs and his deepest defeats. I lived in the Age of Federer. In the history of humanity of all eternity, there will never be another Roger Federer.

If you don't believe me, then read this. Roger Federer as a religious experience. New York Times. 2006

Poetry in slow motion. Adagio for Strings in D minor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oGNt0n1tY4

Topspindoctor
11-14-2011, 02:04 AM
Ageless indeed, with Roger Federer having just won his 18th Master's Title in Paris France at age 30 in a sport where age 28 is considered the average retirement age and when so few champions have won titles past age 30, he continues to defy the odds. He has beaten every record in Tennis, gone beyond the limits of the game and have shown us impossible shots that could not exist in reality. He is Tennis as poetry in slow motion. His fluid smooth effortless style of Tennis has wooed him hundreds of millions of fans and he is renown over the entire world. An entire era in Tennis is named after him. But Roger is so much more than his Tennis, his charming "Swiss" personality, his success at finding happiness and love, his overwhelming generous charity, and his fluency in languages of Swiss German, German, French, and English. They all prove he is truly a jack of trade - a master of all - a Renaissance Man. There is nothing he can accomplish more in life, us mere mortals will be lucky to even approach his complete resume of life.

Federer is such a huge testament not to just his country but to the human race. Like the quote at Wimbledon: "May you meet triumph and tyranny and treat those two imposers just the same." The King of Kings, the greatest of all time. In the most popular individual sport know to man where every match is a duel to the death and where every victory or defeat is purely on you alone he is the calm in the storm. He's had so many heartbreaking tragic losses over the years and yet he always finds the will to keep fighting and bounce back. When he retires either next year or the next - so many people are going to be at his farewell speech to rival Napoleon's farewell to his troops at Fountainbeau crying unashamedly at a true hero of humanity leaving the stage for the very last time. His last grand slam will have a giant shadow and the heavy feeling of destiny weighing over him, the commentators, and the crowd... it will be almost unbearably sad.

His story is the story of humanity and life itself, from our highest triumphs and the most heartbreaking losses. We all have a bit of Roger Federer in us. From pure elation to the deepest agony. His story is a Greek Tragedy, a Shakespeare's sonnet, and Dante's Paradise Lost all rolled into one. His story is a story of the triumph of the human spirit. He's been my childhood hero - a true inspiration for me to succeed at everything in life. Years from now, when I'm old I will say I lived in the time of greatness. I watched him in the greatest stadium of our sport. I saw his highest triumphs and his deepest defeats. I lived in the Age of Federer. In the history of humanity of all eternity, there will never be another Roger Federer.

If you don't believe me, then read this. Roger Federer as a religious experience. New York Times. 2006

Poetry in slow motion. Adagio for Strings in D minor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oGNt0n1tY4

http://www.thepayback.com/images/gold_shadow_asskisser.jpg

Roadmap
11-14-2011, 02:05 AM
I would love to see both Federer and Sampras AT THEIR PRIME (neither player was at their prime in this match) play each other on real grass. I will make no predictions except to say it would be quite something. Better than any of the Fed v Nadal Wimbledon finals on the medium paced 'grass'.

Roadmap
11-14-2011, 02:06 AM
Very few people crack me up on this forum more than you (in a good way).

Lovely stuff, you BEST be cracking open another beer as you read this. Cheers.;)

Cup of tea at the moment old chap ;)

mark73
11-14-2011, 02:06 AM
Pete was a shadow of himself in Macau at 36 years old and still took Wodgie out in straight sets.

Wimby 2001 is slightly more important than a meaningless exhibtion. Just a weee bit. Also sampras with his boring serve bot game was useless on slow courts.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:08 AM
Wimby 2001 is slightly more important than a meaningless exhibtion. Just a weee bit. Also sampras with his boring serve bot game was useless on slow courts.

2 AO titles ( Losing 2 others to arguably the greatest rebound ace player to ever live in Agassi) countless other slow hardcourt titles, a Rome title, a Davis Cup title ( something Fed is still looking for) both on clay. Wins over Bruguera, Courier, Agassi, Muster, Kafelnikov on clay... Not bad for being............ Useless on slow courts aye?? :rolleyes:

mark73
11-14-2011, 02:11 AM
2 AO titles ( Losing 2 others to arguably the greatest rebound ace player to ever live in Agassi) countless other slow hardcourt titles, a Rome title, a Davis Cup title ( something Fed is still looking for) both on clay. Wins over Bruguera, Courier, Agassi, Muster on clay... Not bad for being............ Useless on slow courts aye?? :rolleyes:

Useless compared to federer. :lol:
But sampras could serve and bore us to death. so ill give you that.

Roadmap
11-14-2011, 02:17 AM
jxw2LfoWHkw

:wavey:

That rally that starts on 36 seconds and ends on 42 seconds. Exceptional. :worship: Just goes to show that, contrary to misguided belief, a rally does not need to have 200 shots to be of great quality.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:17 AM
Sampras was quite a nice tennis player really. He had all the shots and could hurt you from the back of the court.

He deserves to be rated as one of the better players of the mid 90's.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:18 AM
One of the "better" players of the 90s? ROFL.. What a Federerphile forum. I guess Roger is one of the "better players of the 00's" since his rival has pretty much owned him from Day 1

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:20 AM
One of the "better" players of the 90s? ROFL.. What a Federerphile forum.

Yeh sure, I reckon top 5 or so but on his day he could certainly provide tennis that would have earned him some plaudits in any era except for on clay during the 1970's and the 2000's.

Federerhingis
11-14-2011, 02:24 AM
Djokovic is actually behind Federer at his age, so unless you think Djokovic can age like Federer he doesnt have much chanse.


I am no psychic nor can I predict the future, nonetheless, I am a discerning tennis fan and observer, and by the looks of it Novaks' body as is is not able to keep up even at his young prime tennis age of 24. As a result there is some truth to this, however Novak is a tremendous and flexible athlete so you would be wise to not count against him just yet. Longevity is a telling sign of great athletes.

abraxas21
11-14-2011, 02:25 AM
Ageless indeed, with Roger Federer having just won his 18th Master's Title in Paris France at age 30 in a sport where age 28 is considered the average retirement age and when so few champions have won titles past age 30, he continues to defy the odds. He has beaten every record in Tennis, gone beyond the limits of the game and have shown us impossible shots that could not exist in reality. He is Tennis as poetry in slow motion. His fluid smooth effortless style of Tennis has wooed him hundreds of millions of fans and he is renown over the entire world. An entire era in Tennis is named after him. But Roger is so much more than his Tennis, his charming "Swiss" personality, his success at finding happiness and love, his overwhelming generous charity, and his fluency in languages of Swiss German, German, French, and English. They all prove he is truly a jack of trade - a master of all - a Renaissance Man. There is nothing he can accomplish more in life, us mere mortals will be lucky to even approach his complete resume of life.

Federer is such a huge testament not to just his country but to the human race. Like the quote at Wimbledon: "May you meet triumph and tyranny and treat those two imposers just the same." The King of Kings, the greatest of all time. In the most popular individual sport know to man where every match is a duel to the death and where every victory or defeat is purely on you alone he is the calm in the storm. He's had so many heartbreaking tragic losses over the years and yet he always finds the will to keep fighting and bounce back. When he retires either next year or the next - so many people are going to be at his farewell speech to rival Napoleon's farewell to his troops at Fountainbeau crying unashamedly at a true hero of humanity leaving the stage for the very last time. His last grand slam will have a giant shadow and the heavy feeling of destiny weighing over him, the commentators, and the crowd... it will be almost unbearably sad.

His story is the story of humanity and life itself, from our highest triumphs and the most heartbreaking losses. We all have a bit of Roger Federer in us. From pure elation to the deepest agony. His story is a Greek Tragedy, a Shakespeare's sonnet, and Dante's Paradise Lost all rolled into one. His story is a story of the triumph of the human spirit. He's been my childhood hero - a true inspiration for me to succeed at everything in life. Years from now, when I'm old I will say I lived in the time of greatness. I watched him in the greatest stadium of our sport. I saw his highest triumphs and his deepest defeats. I lived in the Age of Federer. In the history of humanity of all eternity, there will never be another Roger Federer.

If you don't believe me, then read this. Roger Federer as a religious experience. New York Times. 2006

Poetry in slow motion. Adagio for Strings in D minor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oGNt0n1tY4

:spit:

did you write all that?

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 02:25 AM
Sampras was quite a nice tennis player really. He had all the shots and could hurt you from the back of the court.

He deserves to be rated as one of the better players of the mid 90's.

:facepalm: If you don't know who is Pete Sampras then don't try to write about him.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:26 AM
Well Novak has been in and around the top going on 5 years.. I reckon that is some longevity there. He will be at the top another few years anyways.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:29 AM
:facepalm: If you don't know who is Pete Sampras then don't try to write about him.

Pete Sampras was number 1 for 6 straight years including the mid 90's, so it stands to reason that my statement is very accurate.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:31 AM
Yea 6 years at number 1 in the 90s and still just "one of the better players"

mark73
11-14-2011, 02:33 AM
Sampras was quite a nice tennis player really. He had all the shots and could hurt you from the back of the court.

He deserves to be rated as one of the better players of the mid 90's.

I love it. :lol:
MAYBE he was one of the better players of the mid 90's but I see you want a happy setsampras.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:33 AM
Yea 6 years at number 1 in the 90s and still just "one of the better players"

Look, I really can't criticize Sampras too much. He had a nice career and would do well in any era except for 70's and especially 2000's clay, where he would struggle to make semi-finals but be competitive on hardcourts and grass.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 02:33 AM
He wasn't one of the better ones. He was the best of that decade.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:35 AM
He wasn't one of the better ones. He was the best of that decade.

Which decade?

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 02:36 AM
Which decade?

1990's.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:37 AM
Look, I really can't criticize Sampras too much. He had a nice career and would do well in any era except for 70's and especially 2000's clay, where he would struggle to make semi-finals but be competitive on hardcourts and grass.

Why wouldn't Sampras do well in the 70s or 00's exactly? A guy like Roddick gets #1 in the world in the 00s, but of course no way Sampras ever could have.. Hes the greatest player to ever step on grass arguably the greatest to ever step foot at Flushing next to Roger thus far, he had pretty dang good results on clay in his prime and took out some big names and got a few big titles at a time when there was more depth on clay then there has been for most of the 00's.

Pete would do just fine in any era.. As would probably Fed. You can't stop talent

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:39 AM
1990's.

Hang on, I thought that was Laver's decade when he won the Grand Slam or something in 1999?


Sampras had a good rivalry with Agassi in the early 2000's. Like the pro pundits and many forum members are saying, Fed is playing better than ever. The same goes for Sampras, his tennis capacity doesn't get more grand than it did in the 2000's yet he didn't see that much success in these years due to the talent and dramatic deepening of the era that occurred.

Roadmap
11-14-2011, 02:39 AM
:D at the debate currently going on.

Roadmap
11-14-2011, 02:41 AM
Why wouldn't Sampras do well in the 70s or 00's exactly? A guy like Roddick gets #1 in the world in the 00s, but of course no way Sampras ever could have.. Hes the greatest player to ever step on grass arguably the greatest to ever step foot at Flushing next to Roger thus far, he had pretty dang good results on clay in his prime and took out some big names and got a few big titles at a time when there was more depth on clay then there has been for most of the 00's.

Pete would do just fine in any era.. As would probably Fed. You can't stop talent

This must have been difficult for you to type :cool:

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 02:41 AM
epic :lol: at those who are questioning Sampras' greatness.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:42 AM
Why wouldn't Sampras do well in the 70s or 00's exactly? A guy like Roddick gets #1 in the world in the 00s, but of course no way Sampras ever could have.. Hes the greatest player to ever step on grass arguably the greatest to ever step foot at Flushing next to Roger thus far, he had pretty dang good results on clay in his prime and took out some big names and got a few big titles at a time when there was more depth on clay then there has been for most of the 00's.

Pete would do just fine in any era.. As would probably Fed. You can't stop talent

I think if you observe Pete's haphazard play in my 3 part series on the 1995 Wimbledon Final, you'd appreciate that he'd be killed today by a much better bunch of baseliners, despite being given the chance to adapt his game into something of a more consistent style for today's game.

I think Becker would translate better into today's times and see significantly greater success, even if he had worse coaching available to him.


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mark73
11-14-2011, 02:43 AM
I thought this was simply meant as a thread stating fed won the most hc tournies. :confused:

rickcastle
11-14-2011, 02:43 AM
I would pay good money for a Nadal-Sampras clay match, I'll also pay for SetSampras front row seats to watch Pete get triple bageled into oblivion.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:44 AM
ROFL.. Oh My.. The guy with a record 7 wimbledon titles would get "killed" today in an era where the grass court competition has been completely TRASH outside of 2 players in the last 10 plus years.

What a place I tell ya

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:45 AM
I would pay good money for a Nadal-Sampras clay match, I'll also pay for SetSampras front row seats to watch Pete get triple bageled into oblivion.


Yea I would pay to see Sampras bagel Nadal at every fast court surface there is as well;)

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:46 AM
I think Pete would have been a bad match-up for Nadal. Having gotten past Nadal by giving him no time and ambushing, he'd take a lot of beatings to Federer and if not Federer then Djokovic.

Murray would have also been an utter nightmare for Sampras. Sampras wouldn't have quite been a Roddick for Federer but close enough, given Federer's hugely superior shotmaking capacity.

rickcastle
11-14-2011, 02:47 AM
ROFL.. Oh My.. The guy with a record 7 wimbledon titles would get "killed" today in an era where the grass court competition has been completely TRASH outside of 2 players in the last 10 plus years.

What a place I tell ya

I think you answered your questions why people think Sampras would get killed today despite his 7 Wimbledons. Everything is slow today. Sampras have proved zero nettle on slow court surfaces, so yes he would get killed out there today.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:48 AM
I wonder how many HC titles Federer will have by the end of his career, maybe approaching 55 with a bit of luck.

Sampras did quite good on some hardcourts and Agassi was supreme, an absolute beast on HC and a truly amazing player and talent. For Federer to have surpassed him in achievements on HC is a testament to his outstanding brilliance as a sportsperson.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 02:48 AM
I think Pete would have been a bad match-up for Nadal. Having gotten past Nadal by giving him no time and ambushing, he'd take a lot of beatings to Federer and if not Federer then Djokovic.

Murray would have also been an utter nightmare for Sampras. Sampras wouldn't have quite been a Roddick for Federer but close enough, given Federer's hugely superior shotmaking capacity.

Hugely superior?

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:49 AM
I don't care if you sod grass to the moon, Prime Sampras wouldn't be killed on grass. Sampras proved and won nothing on slow surfaces? WTF? I guess his clay titles, slow hardcourt titles, 2 AO titles, don't count

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:50 AM
Hugely superior?

Sampras was a fine shotmaker but not on the level of Federer, or especially Nadal. Also, I would wager than McEnroe, Laver and Cedric Pioline were greater shotmakers.

Maybe hugely is an OTT word, but I think it accurately describes the vast gaping chasm of class and brilliance between the two's shotmaking prowess, all things considered.

rickcastle
11-14-2011, 02:50 AM
Yea I would pay to see Sampras bagel Nadal at every fast court surface there is as well;)

I'd pay good money for that too. Sampras would've had a different career had he played today. Nadal would've had a different career had he played in the 90's except on clay and he would definitely not achieved a career grandslam. Sampras is an amazing player for the era and courts he played on but I'm not sure it would translate well to the homogenized surfaces of today.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:53 AM
I don't care if you sod grass to the moon, Prime Sampras wouldn't be killed on grass. Sampras proved and won nothing on slow surfaces? WTF? I guess his clay titles, slow hardcourt titles, 2 AO titles, don't count

Look, you saw the play Sampras produced in my video series earlier in the thread, right? Yes on grass he played nice tennis and would still win a few Wimbledons today and even if he came out of retirement now he might win a few games even at 40. But on slow surfaces he didn't really excel that much compared to Andre Agassi who wasn't just an unbelievable talent on all hardcourts but was also a wonderful human being.

Federerhingis
11-14-2011, 02:53 AM
Ageless indeed, with Roger Federer having just won his 18th Master's Title in Paris France at age 30 in a sport where age 28 is considered the average retirement age and when so few champions have won titles past age 30, he continues to defy the odds. He has beaten every record in Tennis, gone beyond the limits of the game and have shown us impossible shots that could not exist in reality. He is Tennis as poetry in slow motion. His fluid smooth effortless style of Tennis has wooed him hundreds of millions of fans and he is renown over the entire world. An entire era in Tennis is named after him. But Roger is so much more than his Tennis, his charming "Swiss" personality, his success at finding happiness and love, his overwhelming generous charity, and his fluency in languages of Swiss German, German, French, and English. They all prove he is truly a jack of trade - a master of all - a Renaissance Man. There is nothing he can accomplish more in life, us mere mortals will be lucky to even approach his complete resume of life.

Federer is such a huge testament not to just his country but to the human race. Like the quote at Wimbledon: "May you meet triumph and tyranny and treat those two imposers just the same." The King of Kings, the greatest of all time. In the most popular individual sport know to man where every match is a duel to the death and where every victory or defeat is purely on you alone he is the calm in the storm. He's had so many heartbreaking tragic losses over the years and yet he always finds the will to keep fighting and bounce back. When he retires either next year or the next - so many people are going to be at his farewell speech to rival Napoleon's farewell to his troops at Fountainbeau crying unashamedly at a true hero of humanity leaving the stage for the very last time. His last grand slam will have a giant shadow and the heavy feeling of destiny weighing over him, the commentators, and the crowd... it will be almost unbearably sad.

His story is the story of humanity and life itself, from our highest triumphs and the most heartbreaking losses. We all have a bit of Roger Federer in us. From pure elation to the deepest agony. His story is a Greek Tragedy, a Shakespeare's sonnet, and Dante's Paradise Lost all rolled into one. His story is a story of the triumph of the human spirit. He's been my childhood hero - a true inspiration for me to succeed at everything in life. Years from now, when I'm old I will say I lived in the time of greatness. I watched him in the greatest stadium of our sport. I saw his highest triumphs and his deepest defeats. I lived in the Age of Federer. In the history of humanity of all eternity, there will never be another Roger Federer.

If you don't believe me, then read this. Roger Federer as a religious experience. New York Times. 2006

Poetry in slow motion. Adagio for Strings in D minor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oGNt0n1tY4


Nice post but I just want to point something out, Federer speaking multiple languages shouldn't be surprising. Swiss citizens are privileged to live in a country that is multilingual, hence becoming multilingual is not such a feat. Also Rogers mother Lynette is an English speaker so he has a leg up there. Swiss German is a Germanic derivative, so again speaking High German is no surprise. All the Swiss papers and major News Journals are presented in High German. He has improved his French tremendously and there he does impress me, because he speaks French very well, especially for a Germanic speaking Swiss. Then again Switzerlands second official language is French and about 19% of the Swiss are born Francophones. Moreover Roger trained as a developing player in the French Speaking Swiss tennis federation, as a result why his French is quite good.

Roadmap
11-14-2011, 02:54 AM
I'd pay good money for that too. Sampras would've had a different career had he played today. Nadal would've had a different career had he played in the 90's except on clay and he would definitely not achieved a career grandslam. Sampras is an amazing player for the era and courts he played on but I'm not sure it would translate well to the homogenized surfaces of today.

Absolutely. The only thing to debate is to what extent would be the difference.

mark73
11-14-2011, 02:54 AM
Sampras might win 3/10 against mardy fish..if hes lucky.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 02:55 AM
I'd pay good money for that too. Sampras would've had a different career had he played today. Nadal would've had a different career had he played in the 90's except on clay and he would definitely not achieved a career grandslam. Sampras is an amazing player for the era and courts he played on but I'm not sure it would translate well to the homogenized surfaces of today.

The first post of this debate was about different eras.
The current era is obviously the dark age in the history of tennis. I'm not speaking about the top players. Guys from number 5 to number 1000 are mostly mentally midget clowns who are afraid of every shot. Sampras is on another level from current top guys because of the competition he had to face.

SetSampras
11-14-2011, 02:55 AM
Look, you saw the play Sampras produced in my video series earlier in the thread, right? Yes on grass he played nice tennis and would still win a few Wimbledon's today and even if he came out of retirement now he might win a few games even at 40. But on slow surfaces he didn't really excel that much compared to Andre Agassi who wasn't just an unbelievable talent on all hardcourts but was also a wonderful human being.

Yea real wonderful.. Must have been all that meth.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 02:55 AM
Sampras might win 3/10 against mardy fish..if hes lucky.

Fish?:lol: Fine clown.

tektonac
11-14-2011, 02:56 AM
Nice to see the record being broken. Although I reckon Djokovic has a chance to break the record if he can keep fit.

That is a big if.

it was a big if last year as well.

rocketassist
11-14-2011, 02:58 AM
it was a big if last year as well.

Good fanboying.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 02:59 AM
it was a big if last year as well.

Djokovic is a DEMON hardcourter, he could have a very impressive tally of HC titles by the time his career is over. Some of the levels I have seen Federer produce on a HC though have been truly incredible. The first one that really springs to mind is his demolition of Hewitt -- a guy who has beaten Sampras with ease in a US Open Final -- in the 2004 US Open Final.

I remember the line from the commentary team something like;'Federer really is playing as if he's from another era right now.'

Along with Agassi, Federer is one of the finest and classiest champions of the Open Era.

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 03:01 AM
Djokovic is a DEMON hardcourter, he could have a very impressive tally of HC titles by the time his career is over. Some of the levels I have seen Federer produce on a HC though have been truly incredible. The first one that really springs to mind is his demolition of Hewitt -- a guy who has beaten Sampras with ease in a US Open Final -- in the 2004 US Open Final.

I remember the line from the commentary team something like;'Federer really is playing as if he's from another era right now.'

Along with Agassi, Federer is one of the finest and classiest champions of the Open Era.

He played a fantastic match no doubt but Hewitt served like shit and wasn't really himself that day.

rickcastle
11-14-2011, 03:02 AM
Sampras is on another level from current top guys because of the competition he had to face.


Sampras faced a lot of mugs too on his day but this is just often overlooked :shrug:

LawrenceOfTennis
11-14-2011, 03:04 AM
Sampras faced a lot of mugs too on his day but this is just often overlooked :shrug:

Tennis has never seen as many mugs as in this last decade.

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 03:05 AM
Sampras faced a lot of mugs too on his day but this is just often overlooked :shrug:

Are you joking? Look, I have been cruel but fair to Sampras and it's just my opinion. But, he did beat quality opposition in Slam Finals who would never back down.

Please check out my highlights on the 1997 Wimbledon Final. Sampras had it tough, playing talented shotmakers with balls of steel.

8f6T5PeYzsA

atennisfan
11-14-2011, 03:08 AM
Federer still breaking records? MTF Fed tards told me he retired 2 years ago. :eek: Someone needs to look into this.

Federer's achievements seem to have hurt you badly

:rolls:

MatchFederer
11-14-2011, 03:09 AM
1. Roger Federer 47
2. Andre Agassi 46
3. Jimmy Connors 44
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Stefan Edberg 23
7. John McEnroe 22
8. Michael Chang 21
9. Novak Djokovic 20

He's also the most successful grass player with 11 titles. :worship:


I thought Lendl won more than 31 on HC... Little bit surprised, I'd forgotten the stats.

Novak Djokovic is ALREADY on 20; very impressive.

tektonac
11-14-2011, 03:24 AM
Good fanboying.

yeah i know, learning from londoners ;)

tripwires
11-14-2011, 03:41 AM
Nice post but I just want to point something out, Federer speaking multiple languages shouldn't be surprising. Swiss citizens are privileged to live in a country that is multilingual, hence becoming multilingual is not such a feat. Also Rogers mother Lynette is an English speaker so he has a leg up there. Swiss German is a Germanic derivative, so again speaking High German is no surprise. All the Swiss papers and major News Journals are presented in High German. He has improved his French tremendously and there he does impress me, because he speaks French very well, especially for a Germanic speaking Swiss. Then again Switzerlands second official language is French and about 19% of the Swiss are born Francophones. Moreover Roger trained as a developing player in the French Speaking Swiss tennis federation, as a result why his French is quite good.

I get your point, but I think it takes some significant linguistic skills on a multilinguist's part to be effectively multilingual. From my personal experience with bilingualism (Chinese and English), I can say that it's definitely not easy to hold a steady conversation in two different languages. I consider myself relatively good with languages but if I had to give a press conference in Chinese, I'd probably need an English-Chinese dictionary with me. I live in a country where there are 4 official languages and I can only speak 2. Most people I know are effectively monolingual.

Also, a lot of Swiss players like Wawrinka aren't as multilingual as Roger. Even Mirka doesn't speak French. What impresses me about Roger's language skills isn't the fact that he can speak them; it's how well he can speak them. Sure, his English isn't always grammatically correct, but he's fluent and is able to express himself well. I think even if one grew up in a multilingual environment, it takes significant skills to be able to master 3 different languages to a relatively high level.

Maybe there are lots of Federers in Switzerland though. In that case, then...salute to the Swiss education system. :)

Arkulari
11-14-2011, 04:20 AM
Yea real wonderful.. Must have been all that meth.

And he was Sampras' biggest rival.

Vamos :lol:

Federerhingis
11-14-2011, 05:10 AM
I get your point, but I think it takes some significant linguistic skills on a multilinguist's part to be effectively multilingual. From my personal experience with bilingualism (Chinese and English), I can say that it's definitely not easy to hold a steady conversation in two different languages. I consider myself relatively good with languages but if I had to give a press conference in Chinese, I'd probably need an English-Chinese dictionary with me. I live in a country where there are 4 official languages and I can only speak 2. Most people I know are effectively monolingual.

Also, a lot of Swiss players like Wawrinka aren't as multilingual as Roger. Even Mirka doesn't speak French. What impresses me about Roger's language skills isn't the fact that he can speak them; it's how well he can speak them. Sure, his English isn't always grammatically correct, but he's fluent and is able to express himself well. I think even if one grew up in a multilingual environment, it takes significant skills to be able to master 3 different languages to a relatively high level.

Maybe there are lots of Federers in Switzerland though. In that case, then...salute to the Swiss education system. :)

I by no means did not pretend to discredit Roger for his ability to learn and speak multiple languages. I guess as a multilingual speaker myself, I don't find it overly impressive that Roger can speak 3 languages fluently given that he is Swiss and what that implies, I have been blessed to have an affinity for learning languages and enjoy learning different world languages. Moreover, yes the Swiss are multilingual speaking for the most part, I would say without fear that close to 40% if not more of the Swiss population speaks at least two languages, their native dialect and French if not English or Italian. I am surprised that Roger has not picked up at least a beginning conversational Italiano. Nonetheless, Roger is part of northeastern Switzerland far from the Italian border. My father and I have ties to Switzerland and I know the country and its culture quite well.

Pirata.
11-14-2011, 07:18 AM
Quick grass with a low bounce :drool: Lovely stuff.

It was so good :drool:

Would've loved to see today's players on the grass of ten years ago :sad:

SheenKJohn
11-14-2011, 07:36 AM
Tennis has never seen as many mugs as in this last decade.

and the biggest Mug of them all is Juan Martin Del Potro:wavey:

sexybeast
11-14-2011, 08:13 AM
I think Federer is nr1 and Agassi and Djokovic shared nr2 as the greatest hardcourters of all time. Ofcourse, Agassi's numbers look worse because he was just gone during his best years 96-98, Djokovic will win another 3-4 hardcourt slams and double that for master series hardcourts and proof I am right.

buzz
11-14-2011, 09:04 AM
I by no means did not pretend to discredit Roger for his ability to learn and speak multiple languages. I guess as a multilingual speaker myself, I don't find it overly impressive that Roger can speak 3 languages fluently given that he is Swiss and what that implies, I have been blessed to have an affinity for learning languages and enjoy learning different world languages. Moreover, yes the Swiss are multilingual speaking for the most part, I would say without fear that close to 40% if not more of the Swiss population speaks at least two languages, their native dialect and French if not English or Italian. I am surprised that Roger has not picked up at least a beginning conversational Italiano. Nonetheless, Roger is part of northeastern Switzerland far from the Italian border. My father and I have ties to Switzerland and I know the country and its culture quite well.

Yes, In whole western Europe(except France and south Spain/Italy) its quite standard for people 30years and younger to speak their native language added with pretty good english. And when you consider Federer went to a french speaking tennis institute for a few years and travels to english speaking parts all over the world I expect nothing less than him speaking his native, french and english.

manadrainer
11-14-2011, 09:35 AM
It's just incredible how the hatred towards Federer grows every time he breaks a record. I think it must be frustrating to be a Fed hater since he owns so many records...

atennisfan
11-14-2011, 12:20 PM
It's just incredible how the hatred towards Federer grows every time he breaks a record. I think it must be frustrating to be a Fed hater since he owns so many records...

This.

+100000

Sophocles
11-14-2011, 01:13 PM
It's pretty obvious Federer is the greatest hard-court player of all time. To put the titles in perspective, though, we should remember a lot of tournaments used to be played on carpet, & if they'd been on hard, guys like Connors, Lendl, & Mac would still have been winning them.

tennis2tennis
11-14-2011, 01:15 PM
There has been other years too than 2011 man, didnt u get internet connection that cave you living until this year?

nomination for 2011 best post reply:worship::worship::worship:

juan27
11-14-2011, 06:09 PM
Look, you saw the play Sampras produced in my video series earlier in the thread, right? Yes on grass he played nice tennis and would still win a few Wimbledons today and even if he came out of retirement now he might win a few games even at 40. But on slow surfaces he didn't really excel that much compared to Andre Agassi who wasn't just an unbelievable talent on all hardcourts but was also a wonderful human being.

I agree with you....

sampras is the fast courts of the 90s had the great advantage of his serve agains agassi , but in slow surfaces , andre was superior.

with federer, in slow courts I think that federer dominates sampras and in fast hard courts , federer had a great serve , agassi didn`t had a serve like federer has and thats is very important.

I don`t thikn that sampras owns peak nadal even in hard or grass , nadal is a great.

another important factor , is that in the best years of sampras, agassi was out of tennis....

spencercarlos
11-14-2011, 08:39 PM
2 AO titles ( Losing 2 others to arguably the greatest rebound ace player to ever live in Agassi) countless other slow hardcourt titles, a Rome title, a Davis Cup title ( something Fed is still looking for) both on clay. Wins over Bruguera, Courier, Agassi, Muster, Kafelnikov on clay... Not bad for being............ Useless on slow courts aye?? :rolleyes:
Yeah Bruguera who virtually had the same game as a Lapentti, shined because there were no really good clay courters at the time.. Thank God Guga stopped him from clowning away another win in 1997 at RG.

Kafelnikov who had the mental fortitude of a cheap tent. Courier who choked away a 2-0 lead and break... yeah :lol:

Bruguera also happens to be another player who leads Sampras in head to head :lol: ... If Bruguera with that game could do that, i imagine what Nadal-Djokovic would do to him on clay... Even Federer for all of laughts..

spencercarlos
11-14-2011, 08:42 PM
I agree with you....

sampras is the fast courts of the 90s had the great advantage of his serve agains agassi , but in slow surfaces , andre was superior.

with federer, in slow courts I think that federer dominates sampras and in fast hard courts , federer had a great serve , agassi didn`t had a serve like federer has and thats is very important.

I don`t thikn that sampras owns peak nadal even in hard or grass , nadal is a great.

another important factor , is that in the best years of sampras, agassi was out of tennis....
In a modern grass (slowed ass one) Nadal would outlast Sampras. In fact Pete would have won very few Wimbledons on it..

sexybeast
11-15-2011, 06:52 AM
2 AO titles ( Losing 2 others to arguably the greatest rebound ace player to ever live in Agassi) countless other slow hardcourt titles, a Rome title, a Davis Cup title ( something Fed is still looking for) both on clay. Wins over Bruguera, Courier, Agassi, Muster, Kafelnikov on clay... Not bad for being............ Useless on slow courts aye??

I find it funny you remind us Sampras won Rome, beating another claygod Becker in the final and 4 players outside the top 30. You say Federer's Paris title is worthless and fortunate but keep talking about that golden Rome title as evidence of Sampras beeing great on clay.

You say Sampras defeated Bruguera, you know he was coming from an injury that year and hadnt won anything on clay in ages?
Next you talk about Courier, 96 Courier was very much a shadow of his former self.
You say he beat Muster on clay, but so did Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Rafter, Becker, Edberg and almost any serve and volleyer who played in that era and Muster had not really found himself yet 91.
He beat Agassi on clay 1998, not really impressive when Agassi was coming back from snorting meth, he was ranked outside the top 20 at the time.
I have nothing to say about defeating Kafelnikov on clay, that was Sampras' best match on clay ever.

Sampras was good on slow hardcourt, he was not the best of his era and overall he is well behind Agassi, Federer and Djokovic on slow hardcourts. However it is a false statement to say Sampras was not good on slow hardcourt.

sexybeast
11-15-2011, 06:56 AM
In a modern grass (slowed ass one) Nadal would outlast Sampras. In fact Pete would have won very few Wimbledons on it..

Yes, maybe that is right. It would however be a real tragedy to not wtness the likes of Edberg, Becker, Mcenroe and Sampras dominate Wimbledon because the surface and raquet technology wouldnt allow them to do so. It is unfortunate we never saw Federer develop his serve and volley game on real grasscourts, would be a joy to watch.

Fuser59
11-15-2011, 09:29 AM
Masters Final Houston 2003...the Day Fed trashed Andre..and when I realised he would be owning tennis for the next decade...I give him until 2013..to win another 2 SLAMS...them probably being AO & US...

Fuser59
11-15-2011, 09:34 AM
...that being said..I still can't get over the 2009 US final when he gifted Che Guevara the match...SHOULD have been all 4 in a row...for me that one hurts the most and I know HIM too...but he won't say it in public...